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0. 12:37 AM - List of Contributors Coming Soon - Make Sure You're Listed! (Matt Dralle)
1. 05:10 AM - Vans calenders (bill crothers)
2. 05:31 AM - Re: Vans calenders (Carter Wright)
3. 06:06 AM - Re: Vans calenders (bill crothers)
4. 06:28 AM - Re: Vans calenders (Lenleg@aol.com)
5. 06:48 AM - Re: Vans calenders (bill crothers)
6. 07:23 AM - Re: Vans calenders (Ed Anderson)
7. 07:58 AM - Re: Vans calenders (Robbie Walker)
8. 08:02 AM - Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 11/26/06 (lee.logan@gulfstream.com)
9. 09:24 AM - Re: Vans calenders (Dale Ensing)
10. 09:24 AM - Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 11/26/06 (Rad Z)
11. 04:08 PM - Re: Vans calenders (bill crothers)
12. 05:24 PM - Accident Database (Lenleg@aol.com)
13. 05:38 PM - Re: Accident Database (JohnCClarkVA@cs.com)
14. 05:40 PM - Re: Accident Database (Lenleg@aol.com)
15. 06:23 PM - Re: Accident Database (David Lee)
16. 07:41 PM - Re: Accident Database (Larry Bowen)
17. 07:41 PM - Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 11/26/06 (bill crothers)
18. 07:50 PM - New Yrs Lunch (Larry Bowen)
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Final notice for calenders at $7.00 @. sold out 1st
batch, will re-order more if at least 6 people e-mail
me. Reno. All to be autographed by Ace Leggette at no
addl. cost!
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Autographed? how cool! I'd like one, too.
Carter
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Bowen/Wright/Repucci in...3 more to go.
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| Subject: | Re: Vans calenders |
Bill:
I will take the other three !!
Len
In a message dated 11/27/2006 9:07:46 AM Eastern Standard Time,
bill28104@yahoo.com writes:
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Bowen/Wright/Repucci in...3 more to go.
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| Subject: | Re: Vans calenders |
done, all 8 sold, will continue to take orders all
day, then will order however many we total by end of
day. 1st batch on there way already. RR
--- Lenleg@aol.com wrote:
>
> Bill:
>
> I will take the other three !!
>
> Len
>
>
> In a message dated 11/27/2006 9:07:46 AM Eastern
> Standard Time,
> bill28104@yahoo.com writes:
>
> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: bill
> crothers <bill28104@yahoo.com>
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| Subject: | Re: Vans calenders |
Hey, Bill. Put me down for one of the next set
Ed
Ed Anderson
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Matthews, NC
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----- Original Message -----
From: "bill crothers" <bill28104@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 9:48 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Vans calenders
> <bill28104@yahoo.com>
>
> done, all 8 sold, will continue to take orders all
> day, then will order however many we total by end of
> day. 1st batch on there way already. RR
>
> --- Lenleg@aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Bill:
>>
>> I will take the other three !!
>>
>> Len
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/27/2006 9:07:46 AM Eastern
>> Standard Time,
>> bill28104@yahoo.com writes:
>>
>> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: bill
>> crothers <bill28104@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Bowen/Wright/Repucci in...3 more to go.
>>
>> --- Carter Wright <cartaire@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Wright" <cartaire@hotmail.com>
>> >
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>> >
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| Subject: | Re: Vans calenders |
Where send $$$?
Visa/MC/Paypal/Cash/Check/Money Order ???
Robbie Walker
Airplane Workshop... err I mean HOUSE status: they've cleared the lot.
On Nov 27, 2006, at 9:48 AM, bill crothers wrote:
> <bill28104@yahoo.com>
>
> done, all 8 sold, will continue to take orders all
> day, then will order however many we total by end of
> day. 1st batch on there way already. RR
>
> --- Lenleg@aol.com wrote:
>
>>
>> Bill:
>>
>> I will take the other three !!
>>
>> Len
>>
>>
>> In a message dated 11/27/2006 9:07:46 AM Eastern
>> Standard Time,
>> bill28104@yahoo.com writes:
>>
>> --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: bill
>> crothers <bill28104@yahoo.com>
>>
>> Bowen/Wright/Repucci in...3 more to go.
>>
>> --- Carter Wright <cartaire@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Wright" <cartaire@hotmail.com>
>>>
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>>>
>>> Carter
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| Subject: | Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 11/26/06 |
Guys: For the record, it is true that we did not have an index speed for
the Waco that participated and had to take his word for the speed his
airplane was capable of. That was true for two others in the race as well
(I would have thought that with 420 indexes I would have had them all, but
no such luck). That was our first year with the "Race" and we had a few
things to learn. One is that people are competitive and really like to
win!!! That is why this year it will be mandatory to contact us before the
race with the model and engine information on the airplane they will be
flying so we can ensure that we have a "factory" number for every index.
There was one RV that was right in there and a Grumman Tiger which flew
right on his index as well. Very well flown aircraft and probably the
aircraft that actually performed best relative to their true factory
performance figures. I believe this year we will have most of the bugs
worked out of the model and will be able to "judge" the event
better----those without a certified "book" factory 75% cruise speed to race
against will be welcome to race but will not be scored. And just so you
know, as a practical matter it will be aerodynamically hard for any
airplane to achieve an average speed faster than their index. We will
look very hard at times turned in that are significant average beaters.
One solution to the problem would be to have all airplanes come to
Ridgeland first to be mounted with portable GPS devices or something
similar, but that would be an additional hassle for racers that we are
hoping to avoid. I will publish the handicapping formula on our website
well prior to the race (it is in the process of being refined at the moment
by the senior performance engineer at Gulfstream Aerospace), so that racers
will know both their "index" target and how their actual flying performance
will be scored.
In any event, we have no desire to drive people away from what should be a
truly fun event by fouling up the details. We are adding trophies all the
way through 5th place this year and with the other changes we make as we
learn more about how to manage this relatively unique event, it should help
us to make it both a more challenging and an even more exciting event.
Please take a look at our website: www.racetoridgeland.com for the latest
details. I've just added an "Info/FAQ" section that will help those who
have general questions and will be glad to answer specific inquiries
directly. The really neat thing about the Race to Ridgeland was that
between: The race, the Spot Landing Contest and the practice for it, the
antiques that flew just for show, the glider flights, and some just plain
fun flying, there were airplanes in the air over the airfield all day long.
I greatly appreciated Palmetto Flight's participation and enthusiasm last
year (which was matched, I think, by the enthusiasm of the crowd who
watched it!) and personally I'm very much looking forward to your
participation again next year. While I can't guarantee a perfect race and
I certainly can't guarantee that very fast aircraft like RV's will
necessarily perform closer to their indexes than slower aircraft (or not),
we have put no small effort into creating a formula that is as close to
fair to all as we can make it. It may eventually work out that one or the
other class or model of aircraft come to dominate just because their
manufacturer's published speeds are truly conservative and actually
attainable while others are not. If that happens, perhaps like NASCAR,
we'll have to make some adjustments. In the meantime, the idea is to
accept a challenge, hone your flying and navigational skills, and above
all, have fun!
P.S. Radomir: There will be a local "official photographer", but since
your work is "nationally recognized", I'd love to have you take all the
shots you'd like as well. We'll use some of the best for our website for
the 2008 event.
Lee...
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| Subject: | Re: Vans calenders |
Bill,
How about some Euro's? Got a few left over from trip..................
;<)
Dale
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Vans calenders
> Where send $$$?
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do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 11/26/06 |
We had fun last time.. and that's important :) One glitch we encountered was that
there was no one to take our official time at Ridgeland (of all the places...
:)
I'll definitely try to make it next time.. would love to take some fun pics.
Radomir
----- Original Message ----
From: "lee.logan@gulfstream.com" <lee.logan@gulfstream.com>
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 11:01:08 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 11/26/06
Guys: For the record, it is true that we did not have an index speed for
the Waco that participated and had to take his word for the speed his
airplane was capable of. That was true for two others in the race as well
(I would have thought that with 420 indexes I would have had them all, but
no such luck). That was our first year with the "Race" and we had a few
things to learn. One is that people are competitive and really like to
win!!! That is why this year it will be mandatory to contact us before the
race with the model and engine information on the airplane they will be
flying so we can ensure that we have a "factory" number for every index.
One solution to the problem would be to have all airplanes come to
Ridgeland first to be mounted with portable GPS devices or something
similar, but that would be an additional hassle for racers that we are
hoping to avoid. I will publish the handicapping formula on our website
well prior to the race (it is in the process of being refined at the moment
by the senior performance engineer at Gulfstream Aerospace), so that racers
will know both their "index" target and how their actual flying performance
will be scored.
P.S. Radomir: There will be a local "official photographer", but since
your work is "nationally recognized", I'd love to have you take all the
shots you'd like as well. We'll use some of the best for our website for
the 2008 event.
Lee...
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| Subject: | Re: Vans calenders |
sure why not? worth more than us$$
--- Dale Ensing <densing@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
> Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
>
> Bill,
> How about some Euro's? Got a few left over from
> trip..................
> ;<)
> Dale
>
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Vans calenders
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| Subject: | Accident Database |
Guys:
I was just told over the weekend that a freternity brother of mine from
Burlington was killed in the crash of his experimental plane returning to
Burlington from Virginia. I have searched and can't find anything .... where
should I look. His name is Mike Williams. I don't know what kind of plane.
Len
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| Subject: | Re: Accident Database |
Len, I am sorry to hear about your friend. Usually, the first place the
information shows is in the FAA data base. Look in www.faa.gov under accidents.
Nothing is there yet, but after a long weekend, it may take a day or two.
I'll check with our Mid-Atlantic office tomorrow. Regards, John.
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| Subject: | Re: Accident Database |
Thanks John ... should have put in my first email ... the accident
supposedly happened around October.
Len
In a message dated 11/27/2006 8:39:27 PM Eastern Standard Time,
JohnCClarkVA@cs.com writes:
Len, I am sorry to hear about your friend. Usually, the first place the
information shows is in the FAA data base. Look in www.faa.gov under accidents.
Nothing is there yet, but after a long weekend, it may take a day or two.
I'll check with our Mid-Atlantic office tomorrow. Regards, John.
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| Subject: | Re: Accident Database |
Len,
Sorry to hear about your friend. You can try the NTSB's data base :
http://www.aopa.org/asf/ntsb/search_ntsb.cfm
This site is through the AOPA, but it is also available by going direct.
Regards,
David
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=77462#77462
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Sorry to hear that.
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/month.asp
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com <http://bowenaero.com/>
_____
From: Lenleg@aol.com [mailto:Lenleg@aol.com]
Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 8:24 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Accident Database
Guys:
I was just told over the weekend that a freternity brother of mine from
Burlington was killed in the crash of his experimental plane returning to
Burlington from Virginia. I have searched and can't find anything ....
where should I look. His name is Mike Williams. I don't know what kind of
plane.
Len
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| Subject: | Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 2 Msgs - 11/26/06 |
BTW Lee, how's that Rocket coming along? any chance
we will see it fly in next yr. or so? also, 3rd annual
New Yrs. Day lunch is clsg in on us. Lets find some
unique centrally located venue since NMB likes to
close down thjat day...any suggestions welcome.
RenoRed.
--- lee.logan@gulfstream.com wrote:
> lee.logan@gulfstream.com
>
> Guys: For the record, it is true that we did not
> have an index speed for
> the Waco that participated and had to take his word
> for the speed his
> airplane was capable of. That was true for two
> others in the race as well
> (I would have thought that with 420 indexes I would
> have had them all, but
> no such luck). That was our first year with the
> "Race" and we had a few
> things to learn. One is that people are competitive
> and really like to
> win!!! That is why this year it will be mandatory
> to contact us before the
> race with the model and engine information on the
> airplane they will be
> flying so we can ensure that we have a "factory"
> number for every index.
>
> There was one RV that was right in there and a
> Grumman Tiger which flew
> right on his index as well. Very well flown
> aircraft and probably the
> aircraft that actually performed best relative to
> their true factory
> performance figures. I believe this year we will
> have most of the bugs
> worked out of the model and will be able to "judge"
> the event
> better----those without a certified "book" factory
> 75% cruise speed to race
> against will be welcome to race but will not be
> scored. And just so you
> know, as a practical matter it will be
> aerodynamically hard for any
> airplane to achieve an average speed faster than
> their index. We will
> look very hard at times turned in that are
> significant average beaters.
>
> One solution to the problem would be to have all
> airplanes come to
> Ridgeland first to be mounted with portable GPS
> devices or something
> similar, but that would be an additional hassle for
> racers that we are
> hoping to avoid. I will publish the handicapping
> formula on our website
> well prior to the race (it is in the process of
> being refined at the moment
> by the senior performance engineer at Gulfstream
> Aerospace), so that racers
> will know both their "index" target and how their
> actual flying performance
> will be scored.
>
> In any event, we have no desire to drive people away
> from what should be a
> truly fun event by fouling up the details. We are
> adding trophies all the
> way through 5th place this year and with the other
> changes we make as we
> learn more about how to manage this relatively
> unique event, it should help
> us to make it both a more challenging and an even
> more exciting event.
> Please take a look at our website:
> www.racetoridgeland.com for the latest
> details. I've just added an "Info/FAQ" section that
> will help those who
> have general questions and will be glad to answer
> specific inquiries
> directly. The really neat thing about the Race to
> Ridgeland was that
> between: The race, the Spot Landing Contest and the
> practice for it, the
> antiques that flew just for show, the glider
> flights, and some just plain
> fun flying, there were airplanes in the air over the
> airfield all day long.
>
> I greatly appreciated Palmetto Flight's
> participation and enthusiasm last
> year (which was matched, I think, by the enthusiasm
> of the crowd who
> watched it!) and personally I'm very much looking
> forward to your
> participation again next year. While I can't
> guarantee a perfect race and
> I certainly can't guarantee that very fast aircraft
> like RV's will
> necessarily perform closer to their indexes than
> slower aircraft (or not),
> we have put no small effort into creating a formula
> that is as close to
> fair to all as we can make it. It may eventually
> work out that one or the
> other class or model of aircraft come to dominate
> just because their
> manufacturer's published speeds are truly
> conservative and actually
> attainable while others are not. If that happens,
> perhaps like NASCAR,
> we'll have to make some adjustments. In the
> meantime, the idea is to
> accept a challenge, hone your flying and
> navigational skills, and above
> all, have fun!
>
> P.S. Radomir: There will be a local "official
> photographer", but since
> your work is "nationally recognized", I'd love to
> have you take all the
> shots you'd like as well. We'll use some of the
> best for our website for
> the 2008 event.
>
> Lee...
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N. Myrtle again works for me. Or Myrtle Intl if there is something good
nearby for lunch. Or Ocracoke. Or ....
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: bill crothers [mailto:bill28104@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Monday, November 27, 2006 10:41 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 2
> Msgs - 11/26/06
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> --> <bill28104@yahoo.com>
>
> BTW Lee, how's that Rocket coming along? any chance we will
> see it fly in next yr. or so? also, 3rd annual New Yrs. Day
> lunch is clsg in on us. Lets find some unique centrally
> located venue since NMB likes to close down thjat day...any
> suggestions welcome.
> RenoRed.
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