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1. 04:52 AM - Re: Re: IFR panels (tadsargent)
2. 04:54 AM - Re: Glare Shield covering (tadsargent)
3. 05:13 AM - Re: IFR panels (David Lee)
4. 05:18 AM - Re: Re: IFR panels (Lenleg@aol.com)
5. 05:27 AM - Flight Planning Programs (Dale Ensing)
6. 05:30 AM - Re: Flight Planning Programs (Lenleg@aol.com)
7. 05:41 AM - Re: Flight Planning Programs (CBRxxDRV@aol.com)
8. 05:57 AM - Re: Flight Planning Programs (Robbie Walker)
9. 06:19 AM - Re: Flight Planning Programs (Scott Tanner)
10. 06:24 AM - Re: Flight Planning Programs (Paul D. Franzon)
11. 06:31 AM - Re: Flight Planning Programs (David Davenport)
12. 08:42 AM - Re: Flight Planning Programs (Larry Bowen)
13. 08:52 AM - Re: Flight Planning Programs (Terrence Gardner)
14. 10:17 AM - Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 12/06/06 (lee.logan@gulfstream.com)
15. 10:20 AM - Re: Flight Planning Programs (Steve Glasgow)
16. 04:42 PM - Re: Flight Planning Programs (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com)
17. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: IFR panels (Bill Repucci)
18. 07:30 PM - Re: Flight Planning Programs (Bill Schlatterer)
19. 09:15 PM - Re: Flight Planning Programs (tadsargent)
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David have you considered the Garmin 300XL at 2500
or the SL30 with an indicator to be added later or hooked up to a glass
panel.
Tad
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Lee" <odlee@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 5:44 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels
>
> Bill & Radomir,
>
> I've been spending an inordinate amount of time looking.! I am planning
> the back-up instruments pretty much as outlined by Radomir, but having
> trouble determining whether to put in an IFR gps in. I flew a lot of IFR
> in the Baron and Bonanza with and without an IFR approved gps.(Used a
> Garmin Pilot III). It's no problem enroute. I had dual glideslopes, RMI,
> NDB, etc. I only shot 4-6 actual gps approaches(they are easy), rest ILS.
> Seems as if a 496 is great value.
>
> I am basically cheap and also trying to determine how much IFR will
> actually be flown in the RV. Totally different profile than my earlier
> aircraft. Wonder how many of the "older" military and airline flyers equip
> their planes?
>
> Thanks for the response. I hope to see your projects soon.
>
> David
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79653#79653
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Glare Shield covering |
MessageBill What? What do you need to write down and how often. Ok
ACT says to change squak codes. call me I can remember 4 numbers. Use
a piece of leather
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Repucci
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 9:26 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Glare Shield covering
On the VAF some guy posted a picture of his glare shield. What made
it unique was that he used stripes of black Velcro loops to cover it,
giving him a place to stick pencils, GPS, and anything else he could
think of.
Thinking this was a great idea, I was able to locate some that was
wide enough to cover the entire glare shield of my RV-9 with one piece.
The only problem was that I had to buy an minimum size of 60" by five
yards. Yep, I'll have a little bit more than I can use.
If anyone of you would like to cover your glare shield with a loop
section of Velcro, let me know, I'm sure we can work a deal.
I'm asking $20 for an RV-8 sized piece, $25 for the -6, 7, & 9 and $30
for an RV-10. I realize that in keeping with RV-10 pricing, I should
really charge something like $150 but I will keep it reasonable.
The loop fabric I have ordered does not have adhesive on it but I have
had good luck with proseal and my favorite, Goop Automotive Trim
Adhesive.
Send me an e-mail (bill@repucci.com) off list, if you are interested.
Bill
PS. Sorry, about the ad on the list. I'm just trying to recover my
costs and help out other builders.
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Yep Tad,
The SL30 w/indicator will be there. I want the 496 or equivalent for the weather
since I will not have a strormscope or radar. Thought about the 300xl as it
is an IFR unit, but...again why do I need two GPS units. You can go w/ the 430,
eliminate the SL30, but spend more money for only the ability to shoot a WAAS
approach someday! You can fly IFR with the 496, along as you can also fly the
route utilizing an approved method, namely the vors.
Thanks for the comments. Still want to fly in your plane someday.
David
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Bill:
Do you have some type of inside info that prices could be coming down in
January ????
Fingers crossed ...
Len
In a message dated 12/6/2006 9:37:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bill@repucci.com writes:
--> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Bill Repucci" <bill@repucci.com>
David,
I am a simple VFR type (My last plane, 1941 BC-12/65, did not even have
an electrical system.) and when I talk to RV builder/owners who have
equipped their planes with IFR panels I am always surprised to find that
they rarely use it. To the point where many of them have told me that
next time they will leave it VFR only.
Maybe some of the others on the list can add there $.02 worth.
Having said that, I am reserving the right to upgrade my panel in the
future, if I ever get the IFR bug.
As for the Garmin 496, I installed an AirGizmo
(http://www.airgizmos.com/) in my panel with the angle adapter so it
will be slanted towards me. Great device and it has let me build up my
panel without actually owning a GPS. In January I hope the price comes
down a notch so I can purchase a 496. Pictures are at the bottom of
this page: http://www.repucci.com/bill/instruments.html
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
Lee
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 5:45 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels
--> <odlee@bellsouth.net>
Bill & Radomir,
I've been spending an inordinate amount of time looking.! I am planning
the back-up instruments pretty much as outlined by Radomir, but having
trouble determining whether to put in an IFR gps in. I flew a lot of IFR
in the Baron and Bonanza with and without an IFR approved gps.(Used a
Garmin Pilot III). It's no problem enroute. I had dual glideslopes, RMI,
NDB, etc. I only shot 4-6 actual gps approaches(they are easy), rest
ILS. Seems as if a 496 is great value.
I am basically cheap and also trying to determine how much IFR will
actually be flown in the RV. Totally different profile than my earlier
aircraft. Wonder how many of the "older" military and airline flyers
equip their planes?
Thanks for the response. I hope to see your projects soon.
David
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79653#79653
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| Subject: | Flight Planning Programs |
Hello SERV'ers.
Would you mind participating in a simple little survey?
What Flight Planning program do you use? Or, which is your favorite?
How much do you pay for it?
Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Planning Programs |
I use the AOPA one ... and the EAA one. Sometimes airnav.com ... pay $0
except for my membership fees.
Len
In a message dated 12/7/2006 8:28:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time,
densing@carolina.rr.com writes:
Hello SERV'ers.
Would you mind participating in a simple little survey?
What Flight Planning program do you use? Or, which is your favorite?
How much do you pay for it?
Dale Ensing
(http://www.buildersbooks.com/)
(http://www.homebuilthelp.com/)
(http://www.matronics.com/contribution)
(http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List)
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Planning Programs |
In a message dated 12/7/2006 8:28:33 AM Eastern Standard Time,
densing@carolina.rr.com writes:
> Would you mind participating in a simple little survey?
>
> What Flight Planning program do you use? Or, which is your favorite?
>
> How much do you pay for it?
>
AOPA free with membership.
Sal
N42917 RV4
N898SC RV8 Finish Kit
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Planning Programs |
I don't fly as much as most of you, but when I rent, I use AOPA...
free except for membership which I'd pay anyway.
Robbie Walker
On Dec 7, 2006, at 8:27 AM, Dale Ensing wrote:
> Hello SERV'ers.
>
> Would you mind participating in a simple little survey?
>
> What Flight Planning program do you use? Or, which is your favorite?
>
> How much do you pay for it?
>
> Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Planning Programs |
Dale,
I use GTE Duats, works great, and registers your session with the FAA by
N-Number.
Scott Tanner
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 8:27 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs
Hello SERV'ers.
Would you mind participating in a simple little survey?
What Flight Planning program do you use? Or, which is your favorite?
How much do you pay for it?
Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | Flight Planning Programs |
Frankly, I use a mish-mash..
Most of the time I check.
- The FAA TFR site
- http://adds.aviationweather.gov to get the weather
- intellicast to track the T'storms or to get a long range forecast
If I am filing or headed a long distance.
- DUATS (the free version) to get an official brief, get NOTAMs and file IFR
plans
- AOPA site if I am headed north IFR to get the preferred routes
- FSS when filing into the ADIZ
Paul D. Franzon
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robbie
Walker
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 8:54 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs
I don't fly as much as most of you, but when I rent, I use AOPA... free
except for membership which I'd pay anyway.
Robbie Walker
On Dec 7, 2006, at 8:27 AM, Dale Ensing wrote:
Hello SERV'ers.
Would you mind participating in a simple little survey?
What Flight Planning program do you use? Or, which is your favorite?
How much do you pay for it?
Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Planning Programs |
Two opions here. If you want the best pure flight planning program out
there, I like Flightsoft from RMS Technologies. (www.rmstek.com) It it a
subscription service that you can jump into at about three or four
different levels of service, so pick your price range. As far as
freebies go, www.fltplan.com has everybody else beat hands down. Look at
both sites and see which fits your needs best.
David Davenport
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 8:27 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs
Hello SERV'ers.
Would you mind participating in a simple little survey?
What Flight Planning program do you use? Or, which is your favorite?
How much do you pay for it?
Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Planning Programs |
Usually AOPA flight planning software and http://weather.aero java tools.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dale Ensing
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 8:27 AM
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs
>
>
> Hello SERV'ers.
>
> Would you mind participating in a simple little survey?
>
> What Flight Planning program do you use? Or, which is your favorite?
>
> How much do you pay for it?
>
> Dale Ensing
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Flight Planning Programs |
Fltplan.com, no charge
Terry
----- Original Message -----
From:
Sent: 12/7/2006 8:35:11 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs
I use the AOPA one ... and the EAA one. Sometimes airnav.com ... pay $0 except
for my membership fees.
Len
In a message dated 12/7/2006 8:28:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, densing@carolina.rr.com
writes:
Hello SERV'ers.
Would you mind participating in a simple little survey?
What Flight Planning program do you use? Or, which is your favorite?
How much do you pay for it?
Dale Ensing
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| Subject: | Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 12/06/06 |
David: I'm going full IFR as much for convenience as safety. In the southeas
t, you will use it more often than other regions of the country. Ctc me offl
ine & I'll send you a picture and outline my rationale. Btw, I AM ancient AN
D ex-military!! At the airport working on mine right now!
Leeloganster@gmail.com
Regards,
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Today's Message Index:
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1. 01:19 PM - IFR panels (David Lee)
2. 02:07 PM - Re: IFR panels (Rad Z)
3. 02:45 PM - Re: IFR panels (David Lee)
4. 06:35 PM - Re: Re: IFR panels (Bill Repucci)
5. 06:35 PM - Glare Shield covering (Bill Repucci)
6. 06:51 PM - Re: Glare Shield covering (Bret Smith)
7. 07:00 PM - Re: Re: IFR panels (Larry Bowen)
8. 07:08 PM - Re: Re: IFR panels (bburril)
9. 07:14 PM - Re: Re: IFR panels ()
10. 07:23 PM - Re: Re: IFR panels (bburril)
11. 07:45 PM - Re: IFR panels (David Lee)
12. 08:09 PM - Re: Glare Shield covering (Bill Repucci)
________________________________ Message 1 ________________________________
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Time: 01:19:19 PM PST US
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: IFR panels
From: "David Lee" <odlee@bellsouth.net>
What do people use for an IFR panel, mostly glass with some electric back-up
instruments.
Under consideration are the new ACS 3500 or dual Dynon large screens.
What would you have with them for IFR? I am avoiding vac instruments and tryi
ng
to avoid an IFR gps (Garmin 430). Costs and weight are a factor. This be
on a RV 7 under construction.
Additional ideas are welcome. All of my previous flying has been with "old fa
shioned"
instruments plus an ifr gps (430 or -89B).
Suggestions and opinions please.
Thanks,
David
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79632#79632
________________________________ Message 2 ________________________________
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Time: 02:07:27 PM PST US
From: Rad Z <microsmurfer@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: IFR panels
David,
I wouldn't overlook a 2-screen GRT system. Feature-wise, it seems to be ahead
of Dynon or AFS. Yes, it's lacking (relatively speaking) in the looks depart
ment,
but it makes up for it with features that neither of the other two have (gran
ted,
details on what AFS is capable of are still pretty sketchy).
Backup -- a typical trio (ASI, electric AI and altimeter) would probably work
out
ok.
Additional point -- while I'm no authority on the subject, it's hard to pictu
re
an IFR bird today w/o an IFR/approach approved GPS.
Just MHO.
Radomir
-7A Panel
----- Original Message ----
From: David Lee <odlee@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2006 4:19:04 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: IFR panels
What do people use for an IFR panel, mostly glass with some electric back-up
instruments.
Under consideration are the new ACS 3500 or dual Dynon large screens.
What would you have with them for IFR? I am avoiding vac instruments and tryi
ng
to avoid an IFR gps (Garmin 430). Costs and weight are a factor. This be
on a RV 7 under construction.
Additional ideas are welcome. All of my previous flying has been with "old fa
shioned"
instruments plus an ifr gps (430 or -89B).
Suggestions and opinions please.
Thanks,
David
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79632#79632
________________________________ Message 3 ________________________________
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Time: 02:45:21 PM PST US
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels
From: "David Lee" <odlee@bellsouth.net>
Bill & Radomir,
I've been spending an inordinate amount of time looking.! I am planning the
back-up
instruments pretty much as outlined by Radomir, but having trouble determining
whether to put in an IFR gps in. I flew a lot of IFR in the Baron and Bonanza
with and without an IFR approved gps.(Used a Garmin Pilot III). It's no
problem enroute. I had dual glideslopes, RMI, NDB, etc. I only shot 4-6 actual
gps approaches(they are easy), rest ILS. Seems as if a 496 is great value.
I am basically cheap and also trying to determine how much IFR will actually
be
flown in the RV. Totally different profile than my earlier aircraft. Wonder h
ow
many of the "older" military and airline flyers equip their planes?
Thanks for the response. I hope to see your projects soon.
David
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79653#79653
________________________________ Message 4 ________________________________
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Time: 06:35:48 PM PST US
From: "Bill Repucci" <bill@repucci.com>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels
David,
I am a simple VFR type (My last plane, 1941 BC-12/65, did not even have
an electrical system.) and when I talk to RV builder/owners who have
equipped their planes with IFR panels I am always surprised to find that
they rarely use it. To the point where many of them have told me that
next time they will leave it VFR only.
Maybe some of the others on the list can add there $.02 worth.
Having said that, I am reserving the right to upgrade my panel in the
future, if I ever get the IFR bug.
As for the Garmin 496, I installed an AirGizmo
(http://www.airgizmos.com/) in my panel with the angle adapter so it
will be slanted towards me. Great device and it has let me build up my
panel without actually owning a GPS. In January I hope the price comes
down a notch so I can purchase a 496. Pictures are at the bottom of
this page: http://www.repucci.com/bill/instruments.html
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
Lee
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 5:45 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels
--> <odlee@bellsouth.net>
Bill & Radomir,
I've been spending an inordinate amount of time looking.! I am planning
the back-up instruments pretty much as outlined by Radomir, but having
trouble determining whether to put in an IFR gps in. I flew a lot of IFR
in the Baron and Bonanza with and without an IFR approved gps.(Used a
Garmin Pilot III). It's no problem enroute. I had dual glideslopes, RMI,
NDB, etc. I only shot 4-6 actual gps approaches(they are easy), rest
ILS. Seems as if a 496 is great value.
I am basically cheap and also trying to determine how much IFR will
actually be flown in the RV. Totally different profile than my earlier
aircraft. Wonder how many of the "older" military and airline flyers
equip their planes?
Thanks for the response. I hope to see your projects soon.
David
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79653#79653
________________________________ Message 5 ________________________________
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Time: 06:35:48 PM PST US
From: "Bill Repucci" <bill@repucci.com>
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Glare Shield covering
On the VAF some guy posted a picture of his glare shield. What made it
unique was that he used stripes of black Velcro loops to cover it,
giving him a place to stick pencils, GPS, and anything else he could
think of.
Thinking this was a great idea, I was able to locate some that was wide
enough to cover the entire glare shield of my RV-9 with one piece. The
only problem was that I had to buy an minimum size of 60" by five yards.
Yep, I'll have a little bit more than I can use.
If anyone of you would like to cover your glare shield with a loop
section of Velcro, let me know, I'm sure we can work a deal.
I'm asking $20 for an RV-8 sized piece, $25 for the -6, 7, & 9 and $30
for an RV-10. I realize that in keeping with RV-10 pricing, I should
really charge something like $150 but I will keep it reasonable.
The loop fabric I have ordered does not have adhesive on it but I have
had good luck with proseal and my favorite, Goop Automotive Trim
Adhesive.
Send me an e-mail (bill@repucci.com) off list, if you are interested.
Bill
PS. Sorry, about the ad on the list. I'm just trying to recover my
costs and help out other builders.
________________________________ Message 6 ________________________________
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Time: 06:51:17 PM PST US
From: "Bret Smith" <smithhb@tds.net>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Glare Shield covering
Bill, why not cover your seats with it and you won't need seatbelts? Heck,
look at the weight savings too.
Bret Smith
RV-9A (91314)
Mineral Bluff, GA
www.FlightInnovations.com
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From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Repucci
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 9:26 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Glare Shield covering
On the VAF some guy posted a picture of his glare shield. What made it
unique was that he used stripes of black Velcro loops to cover it, giving
him a place to stick pencils, GPS, and anything else he could think of.
Thinking this was a great idea, I was able to locate some that was wide
enough to cover the entire glare shield of my RV-9 with one piece. The only
problem was that I had to buy an minimum size of 60" by five yards. Yep,
I'll have a little bit more than I can use.
If anyone of you would like to cover your glare shield with a loop section
of Velcro, let me know, I'm sure we can work a deal.
I'm asking $20 for an RV-8 sized piece, $25 for the -6, 7, & 9 and $30 for
an RV-10. I realize that in keeping with RV-10 pricing, I should really
charge something like $150 but I will keep it reasonable.
The loop fabric I have ordered does not have adhesive on it but I have had
good luck with proseal and my favorite, Goop Automotive Trim Adhesive.
Send me an e-mail (bill@repucci.com) off list, if you are interested.
Bill
PS. Sorry, about the ad on the list. I'm just trying to recover my costs
and help out other builders.
________________________________ Message 7 ________________________________
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Time: 07:00:02 PM PST US
From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels
For me, the perspective really changed when I move from building a panel to
flying behind it. I have backups in my RV-8 that I will not bother to have
in the 7 -- as the panel page on a Garmin x96 is good enough. And, the
'glass' the x96 is backing up is super reliable & many have internal battery
backups. Maybe the answer is keep it simple, but plan for expansion and
flexibility. Mostly VFR thoughts, but maybe some of it applies to your
question...
-
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bill Repucci [mailto:bill@repucci.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 9:26 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels
>
> --> <bill@repucci.com>
>
> David,
>
> I am a simple VFR type (My last plane, 1941 BC-12/65, did not
> even have an electrical system.) and when I talk to RV
> builder/owners who have equipped their planes with IFR panels
> I am always surprised to find that they rarely use it. To
> the point where many of them have told me that next time they
> will leave it VFR only.
>
> Maybe some of the others on the list can add there $.02 worth.
>
> Having said that, I am reserving the right to upgrade my
> panel in the future, if I ever get the IFR bug.
>
> As for the Garmin 496, I installed an AirGizmo
> (http://www.airgizmos.com/) in my panel with the angle
> adapter so it will be slanted towards me. Great device and
> it has let me build up my panel without actually owning a
> GPS. In January I hope the price comes down a notch so I can
> purchase a 496. Pictures are at the bottom of this page:
> http://www.repucci.com/bill/instruments.html
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On
> Behalf Of David Lee
> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 5:45 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels
>
>
> --> <odlee@bellsouth.net>
>
> Bill & Radomir,
>
> I've been spending an inordinate amount of time looking.! I
> am planning the back-up instruments pretty much as outlined
> by Radomir, but having trouble determining whether to put in
> an IFR gps in. I flew a lot of IFR in the Baron and Bonanza
> with and without an IFR approved gps.(Used a Garmin Pilot
> III). It's no problem enroute. I had dual glideslopes, RMI,
> NDB, etc. I only shot 4-6 actual gps approaches(they are
> easy), rest ILS. Seems as if a 496 is great value.
>
> I am basically cheap and also trying to determine how much
> IFR will actually be flown in the RV. Totally different
> profile than my earlier aircraft. Wonder how many of the
> "older" military and airline flyers equip their planes?
>
> Thanks for the response. I hope to see your projects soon.
>
> David
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79653#79653
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Photoshare, and much much more:
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 8 ________________________________
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Time: 07:08:40 PM PST US
From: "bburril" <bburril@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels
Bill just get a 396 it does everything that a 496 does just not as fast,and
for a lot less.
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Repucci" <bill@repucci.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 9:26 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels
>
> David,
>
> I am a simple VFR type (My last plane, 1941 BC-12/65, did not even have
> an electrical system.) and when I talk to RV builder/owners who have
> equipped their planes with IFR panels I am always surprised to find that
> they rarely use it. To the point where many of them have told me that
> next time they will leave it VFR only.
>
> Maybe some of the others on the list can add there $.02 worth.
>
> Having said that, I am reserving the right to upgrade my panel in the
> future, if I ever get the IFR bug.
>
> As for the Garmin 496, I installed an AirGizmo
> (http://www.airgizmos.com/) in my panel with the angle adapter so it
> will be slanted towards me. Great device and it has let me build up my
> panel without actually owning a GPS. In January I hope the price comes
> down a notch so I can purchase a 496. Pictures are at the bottom of
> this page: http://www.repucci.com/bill/instruments.html
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
> Lee
> Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 5:45 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels
>
>
> --> <odlee@bellsouth.net>
>
> Bill & Radomir,
>
> I've been spending an inordinate amount of time looking.! I am planning
> the back-up instruments pretty much as outlined by Radomir, but having
> trouble determining whether to put in an IFR gps in. I flew a lot of IFR
> in the Baron and Bonanza with and without an IFR approved gps.(Used a
> Garmin Pilot III). It's no problem enroute. I had dual glideslopes, RMI,
> NDB, etc. I only shot 4-6 actual gps approaches(they are easy), rest
> ILS. Seems as if a 496 is great value.
>
> I am basically cheap and also trying to determine how much IFR will
> actually be flown in the RV. Totally different profile than my earlier
> aircraft. Wonder how many of the "older" military and airline flyers
> equip their planes?
>
> Thanks for the response. I hope to see your projects soon.
>
> David
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79653#79653
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 9 ________________________________
_____
Time: 07:14:29 PM PST US
From: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels
David,
I about fell over when you mentioned the "older military and airline flyers".
Are you talking to me?
I have dual screen GRT EFIS with internal GPS and a Garmin 296, Trio aiutopil
ot
with altitude hold, SL-30 nav/com, 327 transponder and PSE audio panel with m
arker
beacon. I have an altimeter and airspeed indicator for backup instruments.
I probably won't have too many occasions to fly IFR in the RV-8, but if there
is no chance of thunderstorms or iceing, why not. The GPS is great for enrou
te
nav (I like the 296 much more than the GRT internal) and I can use the
SL-30 for ILS or VOR approaches. An autopilot is a "must have" for IFR in the
RV IMHO and also serves as a backup turn and bank indicator, so I don't feel
the need to have a backup attitude indicator. And I certainly won't put anyth
ing
in my panel that has a mecanical (electric or vacuum) gyro that will get abus
ed
every time I do acro.
Ron Schreck
RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
>
> From: "David Lee" <odlee@bellsouth.net>
> Date: 2006/12/06 Wed PM 05:44:56 EST
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels
>
>
> Bill & Radomir,
>
> I've been spending an inordinate amount of time looking.! I am planning the
back-up instruments pretty much as outlined by Radomir, but having trouble de
termining
whether to put in an IFR gps in. I flew a lot of IFR in the Baron and
Bonanza with and without an IFR approved gps.(Used a Garmin Pilot III). It's
no problem enroute. I had dual glideslopes, RMI, NDB, etc. I only shot 4-6 ac
tual
gps approaches(they are easy), rest ILS. Seems as if a 496 is great value.
>
> I am basically cheap and also trying to determine how much IFR will actually
be flown in the RV. Totally different profile than my earlier aircraft. Wonder
how many of the "older" military and airline flyers equip their planes?
>
> Thanks for the response. I hope to see your projects soon.
>
> David
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79653#79653
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 10 _______________________________
_____
Time: 07:23:35 PM PST US
From: "bburril" <bburril@carolina.rr.com>
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels
He said older not ancient!
----- Original Message -----
From: <ronschreck@windstream.net>
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 10:14 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels
>
> David,
>
> I about fell over when you mentioned the "older military and airline
> flyers". Are you talking to me?
> I have dual screen GRT EFIS with internal GPS and a Garmin 296, Trio
> aiutopilot with altitude hold, SL-30 nav/com, 327 transponder and PSE
> audio panel with marker beacon. I have an altimeter and airspeed
> indicator for backup instruments. I probably won't have too many
> occasions to fly IFR in the RV-8, but if there is no chance of
> thunderstorms or iceing, why not. The GPS is great for enroute nav (I
> like the 296 much more than the GRT internal) and I can use the SL-30 for
> ILS or VOR approaches. An autopilot is a "must have" for IFR in the RV
> IMHO and also serves as a backup turn and bank indicator, so I don't feel
> the need to have a backup attitude indicator. And I certainly won't put
> anything in my panel that has a mecanical (electric or vacuum) gyro that
> will get abused every time I do acro.
>
> Ron Schreck
> RV-8 "Miss Izzy"
> Gold Hill Airpark, NC
>
>
>>
>> From: "David Lee" <odlee@bellsouth.net>
>> Date: 2006/12/06 Wed PM 05:44:56 EST
>> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels
>>
>>
>> Bill & Radomir,
>>
>> I've been spending an inordinate amount of time looking.! I am planning
>> the back-up instruments pretty much as outlined by Radomir, but having
>> trouble determining whether to put in an IFR gps in. I flew a lot of IFR
>> in the Baron and Bonanza with and without an IFR approved gps.(Used a
>> Garmin Pilot III). It's no problem enroute. I had dual glideslopes, RMI,
>> NDB, etc. I only shot 4-6 actual gps approaches(they are easy), rest ILS.
>> Seems as if a 496 is great value.
>>
>> I am basically cheap and also trying to determine how much IFR will
>> actually be flown in the RV. Totally different profile than my earlier
>> aircraft. Wonder how many of the "older" military and airline flyers
>> equip their planes?
>>
>> Thanks for the response. I hope to see your projects soon.
>>
>> David
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Read this topic online here:
>>
>> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79653#79653
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
________________________________ Message 11 _______________________________
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Time: 07:45:24 PM PST US
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels
From: "David Lee" <odlee@bellsouth.net>
Thanks guys,
Ron, I did not mention any names!!
As for the rest the opinions are varied as I suspected they might be. If you
don't
fly IFR you don't need to spend all the money and time. The planes are fast,
responsive, light, economical, etc...all the reason I'm building. I am just
use to going when the weather is not cavu, although I may change my mind after
flying the RV a bit (whenever that is going to be).
Still pondering.
David
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79722#79722
________________________________ Message 12 _______________________________
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Time: 08:09:58 PM PST US
From: "Bill Repucci" <bill@repucci.com>
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Glare Shield covering
Good idea! I have also suggested this to a friend for his two year-old.
I figure he can put it on his kid's diaper and the 2. That way the kid
can't make a run for it when his wife is shopping. ;)
Heck, you could also use the stuff to hang the kid on the wall why
working on your plane. It would keep him out of trouble and at eye
level so he could learn as you rivet.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bret
Smith
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 9:51 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Glare Shield covering
Bill, why not cover your seats with it and you won't need seatbelts?
Heck, look at the weight savings too.
Bret Smith
RV-9A (91314)
Mineral Bluff, GA
www.FlightInnovations.com
_____
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Repucci
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 9:26 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Glare Shield covering
On the VAF some guy posted a picture of his glare shield. What made it
unique was that he used stripes of black Velcro loops to cover it,
giving him a place to stick pencils, GPS, and anything else he could
think of.
Thinking this was a great idea, I was able to locate some that was wide
enough to cover the entire glare shield of my RV-9 with one piece. The
only problem was that I had to buy an minimum size of 60" by five yards.
Yep, I'll have a little bit more than I can use.
If anyone of you would like to cover your glare shield with a loop
section of Velcro, let me know, I'm sure we can work a deal.
I'm asking $20 for an RV-8 sized piece, $25 for the -6, 7, & 9 and $30
for an RV-10. I realize that in keeping with RV-10 pricing, I should
really charge something like $150 but I will keep it reasonable.
The loop fabric I have ordered does not have adhesive on it but I have
had good luck with proseal and my favorite, Goop Automotive Trim
Adhesive.
Send me an e-mail (bill@repucci.com) off list, if you are interested.
Bill
PS. Sorry, about the ad on the list. I'm just trying to recover my
costs and help out other builders.
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AOPA's Free!
Cappy
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From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 8:27 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs
Hello SERV'ers.
Would you mind participating in a simple little survey?
What Flight Planning program do you use? Or, which is your favorite?
How much do you pay for it?
Dale Ensing
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I USE _www.fltplan.com_ (http://www.fltplan.com) for corporate flights and
RV flights. it is FREE and great!
Doug Preston
BHM
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Len,
I sure wish I did have some inside info but Garmin is very tight with
the pricing. I do know a guy who's son works there and tried to get
some info that way but no joy. :(
>From what I have been reading, Garmin holds all of their dealers to a
"Advertised Suggested Retail Price" but if you call the various dealers,
they will cut that price. About the lowest I have heard is around
$2,400 but I don't know if that is true or forum BS.
Either way, in January I am going to start calling around to see what I
can work up.
If some of are SERIOUS about buying a 496 let me know and I'll see if I
can work a group buy. Who knows, we might get lucky.
To make this clear, all I want to know is if you are SERIOUS about
buying a 496. When I go the vendors (and possibly Garmin) I want hard
orders, not "maybe orders". I will NOT take any action until after the
first of the year.
As for paying for the thing, I will try to work it where each of you
gives the supplier a credit card number so I don't have to deal with
payment. However, to get the best price, they may only wish to deal
with one person, if that is the case, I will let you know and we can
take it from there.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
Lenleg@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 8:17 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels
Bill:
Do you have some type of inside info that prices could be coming down in
January ????
Fingers crossed ...
Len
In a message dated 12/6/2006 9:37:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
bill@repucci.com writes:
<bill@repucci.com>
David,
I am a simple VFR type (My last plane, 1941 BC-12/65, did not even have
an electrical system.) and when I talk to RV builder/owners who have
equipped their planes with IFR panels I am always surprised to find that
they rarely use it. To the point where many of them have told me that
next time they will leave it VFR only.
Maybe some of the others on the list can add there $.02 worth.
Having said that, I am reserving the right to upgrade my panel in the
future, if I ever get the IFR bug.
As for the Garmin 496, I installed an AirGizmo
(http://www.airgizmos.com/) in my panel with the angle adapter so it
will be slanted towards me. Great device and it has let me build up my
panel without actually owning a GPS. In January I hope the price comes
down a notch so I can purchase a 496. Pictures are at the bottom of
this page: http://www.repucci.com/bill/instruments.html
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David
Lee
Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 5:45 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels
--> <odlee@bellsouth.net>
Bill & Radomir,
I've been spending an inordinate amount of time looking.! I am planning
the back-up instruments pretty much as outlined by Radomir, but having
trouble determining whether to put in an IFR gps in. I flew a lot of IFR
in the Baron and Bonanza with and without an IFR approved gps.(Used a
Garmin Pilot III). It's no problem enroute. I had dual glideslopes, RMI,
NDB, etc. I only shot 4-6 actual gps approaches(they are easy), rest
ILS. Seems as if a 496 is great value.
I am basically cheap and also trying to determine how much IFR will
actually be flown in the RV. Totally different profile than my earlier
aircraft. Wonder how many of the "older" military and airline flyers
equip their planes?
Thanks for the response. I hope to see your projects soon.
David
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79653#79653
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www.FltPlan.com files automatically, great weather, holds several
aircraft, gives nav plan, charts, approaches, fuel consumption, etc. All
the charter guys around here use it and it's free.
Bill S
7a engine
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From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale
Ensing
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 7:27 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs
Hello SERV'ers.
Would you mind participating in a simple little survey?
What Flight Planning program do you use? Or, which is your favorite?
How much do you pay for it?
Dale Ensing
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EAA or AOPA for me.
Tad
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 8:27 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs
Hello SERV'ers.
Would you mind participating in a simple little survey?
What Flight Planning program do you use? Or, which is your favorite?
How much do you pay for it?
Dale Ensing
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