---------------------------------------------------------- RVSouthEast-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/07/06: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:52 AM - Re: Re: IFR panels (tadsargent) 2. 04:54 AM - Re: Glare Shield covering (tadsargent) 3. 05:13 AM - Re: IFR panels (David Lee) 4. 05:18 AM - Re: Re: IFR panels (Lenleg@aol.com) 5. 05:27 AM - Flight Planning Programs (Dale Ensing) 6. 05:30 AM - Re: Flight Planning Programs (Lenleg@aol.com) 7. 05:41 AM - Re: Flight Planning Programs (CBRxxDRV@aol.com) 8. 05:57 AM - Re: Flight Planning Programs (Robbie Walker) 9. 06:19 AM - Re: Flight Planning Programs (Scott Tanner) 10. 06:24 AM - Re: Flight Planning Programs (Paul D. Franzon) 11. 06:31 AM - Re: Flight Planning Programs (David Davenport) 12. 08:42 AM - Re: Flight Planning Programs (Larry Bowen) 13. 08:52 AM - Re: Flight Planning Programs (Terrence Gardner) 14. 10:17 AM - Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 12/06/06 (lee.logan@gulfstream.com) 15. 10:20 AM - Re: Flight Planning Programs (Steve Glasgow) 16. 04:42 PM - Re: Flight Planning Programs (DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com) 17. 07:26 PM - Re: Re: IFR panels (Bill Repucci) 18. 07:30 PM - Re: Flight Planning Programs (Bill Schlatterer) 19. 09:15 PM - Re: Flight Planning Programs (tadsargent) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:52:44 AM PST US From: "tadsargent" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels David have you considered the Garmin 300XL at 2500 or the SL30 with an indicator to be added later or hooked up to a glass panel. Tad ----- Original Message ----- From: "David Lee" Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 5:44 PM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels > > Bill & Radomir, > > I've been spending an inordinate amount of time looking.! I am planning > the back-up instruments pretty much as outlined by Radomir, but having > trouble determining whether to put in an IFR gps in. I flew a lot of IFR > in the Baron and Bonanza with and without an IFR approved gps.(Used a > Garmin Pilot III). It's no problem enroute. I had dual glideslopes, RMI, > NDB, etc. I only shot 4-6 actual gps approaches(they are easy), rest ILS. > Seems as if a 496 is great value. > > I am basically cheap and also trying to determine how much IFR will > actually be flown in the RV. Totally different profile than my earlier > aircraft. Wonder how many of the "older" military and airline flyers equip > their planes? > > Thanks for the response. I hope to see your projects soon. > > David > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79653#79653 > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:42 AM PST US From: "tadsargent" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Glare Shield covering MessageBill What? What do you need to write down and how often. Ok ACT says to change squak codes. call me I can remember 4 numbers. Use a piece of leather ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Repucci To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 9:26 PM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Glare Shield covering On the VAF some guy posted a picture of his glare shield. What made it unique was that he used stripes of black Velcro loops to cover it, giving him a place to stick pencils, GPS, and anything else he could think of. Thinking this was a great idea, I was able to locate some that was wide enough to cover the entire glare shield of my RV-9 with one piece. The only problem was that I had to buy an minimum size of 60" by five yards. Yep, I'll have a little bit more than I can use. If anyone of you would like to cover your glare shield with a loop section of Velcro, let me know, I'm sure we can work a deal. I'm asking $20 for an RV-8 sized piece, $25 for the -6, 7, & 9 and $30 for an RV-10. I realize that in keeping with RV-10 pricing, I should really charge something like $150 but I will keep it reasonable. The loop fabric I have ordered does not have adhesive on it but I have had good luck with proseal and my favorite, Goop Automotive Trim Adhesive. Send me an e-mail (bill@repucci.com) off list, if you are interested. Bill PS. Sorry, about the ad on the list. I'm just trying to recover my costs and help out other builders. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:13:42 AM PST US Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels From: "David Lee" Yep Tad, The SL30 w/indicator will be there. I want the 496 or equivalent for the weather since I will not have a strormscope or radar. Thought about the 300xl as it is an IFR unit, but...again why do I need two GPS units. You can go w/ the 430, eliminate the SL30, but spend more money for only the ability to shoot a WAAS approach someday! You can fly IFR with the 496, along as you can also fly the route utilizing an approved method, namely the vors. Thanks for the comments. Still want to fly in your plane someday. David Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79787#79787 ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:18:39 AM PST US From: Lenleg@aol.com Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels Bill: Do you have some type of inside info that prices could be coming down in January ???? Fingers crossed ... Len In a message dated 12/6/2006 9:37:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bill@repucci.com writes: --> RVSouthEast-List message posted by: "Bill Repucci" David, I am a simple VFR type (My last plane, 1941 BC-12/65, did not even have an electrical system.) and when I talk to RV builder/owners who have equipped their planes with IFR panels I am always surprised to find that they rarely use it. To the point where many of them have told me that next time they will leave it VFR only. Maybe some of the others on the list can add there $.02 worth. Having said that, I am reserving the right to upgrade my panel in the future, if I ever get the IFR bug. As for the Garmin 496, I installed an AirGizmo (http://www.airgizmos.com/) in my panel with the angle adapter so it will be slanted towards me. Great device and it has let me build up my panel without actually owning a GPS. In January I hope the price comes down a notch so I can purchase a 496. Pictures are at the bottom of this page: http://www.repucci.com/bill/instruments.html Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Lee Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels --> Bill & Radomir, I've been spending an inordinate amount of time looking.! I am planning the back-up instruments pretty much as outlined by Radomir, but having trouble determining whether to put in an IFR gps in. I flew a lot of IFR in the Baron and Bonanza with and without an IFR approved gps.(Used a Garmin Pilot III). It's no problem enroute. I had dual glideslopes, RMI, NDB, etc. I only shot 4-6 actual gps approaches(they are easy), rest ILS. Seems as if a 496 is great value. I am basically cheap and also trying to determine how much IFR will actually be flown in the RV. Totally different profile than my earlier aircraft. Wonder how many of the "older" military and airline flyers equip their planes? Thanks for the response. I hope to see your projects soon. David Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79653#79653 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:27:12 AM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs Hello SERV'ers. Would you mind participating in a simple little survey? What Flight Planning program do you use? Or, which is your favorite? How much do you pay for it? Dale Ensing ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:30:15 AM PST US From: Lenleg@aol.com Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs I use the AOPA one ... and the EAA one. Sometimes airnav.com ... pay $0 except for my membership fees. Len In a message dated 12/7/2006 8:28:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, densing@carolina.rr.com writes: Hello SERV'ers. Would you mind participating in a simple little survey? What Flight Planning program do you use? Or, which is your favorite? How much do you pay for it? Dale Ensing (http://www.buildersbooks.com/) (http://www.homebuilthelp.com/) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 05:41:21 AM PST US From: CBRxxDRV@aol.com Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs In a message dated 12/7/2006 8:28:33 AM Eastern Standard Time, densing@carolina.rr.com writes: > Would you mind participating in a simple little survey? > > What Flight Planning program do you use? Or, which is your favorite? > > How much do you pay for it? > AOPA free with membership. Sal N42917 RV4 N898SC RV8 Finish Kit ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:29 AM PST US From: Robbie Walker Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs I don't fly as much as most of you, but when I rent, I use AOPA... free except for membership which I'd pay anyway. Robbie Walker On Dec 7, 2006, at 8:27 AM, Dale Ensing wrote: > Hello SERV'ers. > > Would you mind participating in a simple little survey? > > What Flight Planning program do you use? Or, which is your favorite? > > How much do you pay for it? > > Dale Ensing ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:43 AM PST US From: "Scott Tanner" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs Dale, I use GTE Duats, works great, and registers your session with the FAA by N-Number. Scott Tanner ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Ensing To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 8:27 AM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs Hello SERV'ers. Would you mind participating in a simple little survey? What Flight Planning program do you use? Or, which is your favorite? How much do you pay for it? Dale Ensing ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:24:45 AM PST US From: "Paul D. Franzon" Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs Frankly, I use a mish-mash.. Most of the time I check. - The FAA TFR site - http://adds.aviationweather.gov to get the weather - intellicast to track the T'storms or to get a long range forecast If I am filing or headed a long distance. - DUATS (the free version) to get an official brief, get NOTAMs and file IFR plans - AOPA site if I am headed north IFR to get the preferred routes - FSS when filing into the ADIZ Paul D. Franzon From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robbie Walker Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 8:54 AM Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs I don't fly as much as most of you, but when I rent, I use AOPA... free except for membership which I'd pay anyway. Robbie Walker On Dec 7, 2006, at 8:27 AM, Dale Ensing wrote: Hello SERV'ers. Would you mind participating in a simple little survey? What Flight Planning program do you use? Or, which is your favorite? How much do you pay for it? Dale Ensing ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:31:12 AM PST US From: "David Davenport" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs Two opions here. If you want the best pure flight planning program out there, I like Flightsoft from RMS Technologies. (www.rmstek.com) It it a subscription service that you can jump into at about three or four different levels of service, so pick your price range. As far as freebies go, www.fltplan.com has everybody else beat hands down. Look at both sites and see which fits your needs best. David Davenport ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Ensing To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 8:27 AM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs Hello SERV'ers. Would you mind participating in a simple little survey? What Flight Planning program do you use? Or, which is your favorite? How much do you pay for it? Dale Ensing ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:03 AM PST US Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs From: "Larry Bowen" Usually AOPA flight planning software and http://weather.aero java tools. -- Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dale Ensing > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 8:27 AM > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs > > > Hello SERV'ers. > > Would you mind participating in a simple little survey? > > What Flight Planning program do you use? Or, which is your favorite? > > How much do you pay for it? > > Dale Ensing > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:52:06 AM PST US From: "Terrence Gardner" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs Fltplan.com, no charge Terry ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: 12/7/2006 8:35:11 AM Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs I use the AOPA one ... and the EAA one. Sometimes airnav.com ... pay $0 except for my membership fees. Len In a message dated 12/7/2006 8:28:33 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, densing@carolina.rr.com writes: Hello SERV'ers. Would you mind participating in a simple little survey? What Flight Planning program do you use? Or, which is your favorite? How much do you pay for it? Dale Ensing p://www.aeroelectric.com/">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com/">www.buildersbooks.com ttp://www.kitlog.com/">www.kitlog.com ttp://www.homebuilthelp.com/">www.homebuilthelp.com ://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution t href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:17:05 AM PST US Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 12 Msgs - 12/06/06 From: lee.logan@gulfstream.com David: I'm going full IFR as much for convenience as safety. In the southeas t, you will use it more often than other regions of the country. Ctc me offl ine & I'll send you a picture and outline my rationale. Btw, I AM ancient AN D ex-military!! At the airport working on mine right now! 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Under consideration are the new ACS 3500 or dual Dynon large screens. What would you have with them for IFR? I am avoiding vac instruments and tryi ng to avoid an IFR gps (Garmin 430). Costs and weight are a factor. This be on a RV 7 under construction. Additional ideas are welcome. All of my previous flying has been with "old fa shioned" instruments plus an ifr gps (430 or -89B). Suggestions and opinions please. Thanks, David Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79632#79632 ________________________________ Message 2 ________________________________ _____ Time: 02:07:27 PM PST US From: Rad Z Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: IFR panels David, I wouldn't overlook a 2-screen GRT system. Feature-wise, it seems to be ahead of Dynon or AFS. Yes, it's lacking (relatively speaking) in the looks depart ment, but it makes up for it with features that neither of the other two have (gran ted, details on what AFS is capable of are still pretty sketchy). Backup -- a typical trio (ASI, electric AI and altimeter) would probably work out ok. Additional point -- while I'm no authority on the subject, it's hard to pictu re an IFR bird today w/o an IFR/approach approved GPS. Just MHO. Radomir -7A Panel ----- Original Message ---- From: David Lee Sent: Wednesday, December 6, 2006 4:19:04 PM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: IFR panels What do people use for an IFR panel, mostly glass with some electric back-up instruments. Under consideration are the new ACS 3500 or dual Dynon large screens. What would you have with them for IFR? I am avoiding vac instruments and tryi ng to avoid an IFR gps (Garmin 430). Costs and weight are a factor. This be on a RV 7 under construction. Additional ideas are welcome. All of my previous flying has been with "old fa shioned" instruments plus an ifr gps (430 or -89B). Suggestions and opinions please. Thanks, David Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79632#79632 ________________________________ Message 3 ________________________________ _____ Time: 02:45:21 PM PST US Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels From: "David Lee" Bill & Radomir, I've been spending an inordinate amount of time looking.! I am planning the back-up instruments pretty much as outlined by Radomir, but having trouble determining whether to put in an IFR gps in. I flew a lot of IFR in the Baron and Bonanza with and without an IFR approved gps.(Used a Garmin Pilot III). It's no problem enroute. I had dual glideslopes, RMI, NDB, etc. I only shot 4-6 actual gps approaches(they are easy), rest ILS. Seems as if a 496 is great value. I am basically cheap and also trying to determine how much IFR will actually be flown in the RV. Totally different profile than my earlier aircraft. Wonder h ow many of the "older" military and airline flyers equip their planes? Thanks for the response. I hope to see your projects soon. David Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79653#79653 ________________________________ Message 4 ________________________________ _____ Time: 06:35:48 PM PST US From: "Bill Repucci" Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels David, I am a simple VFR type (My last plane, 1941 BC-12/65, did not even have an electrical system.) and when I talk to RV builder/owners who have equipped their planes with IFR panels I am always surprised to find that they rarely use it. To the point where many of them have told me that next time they will leave it VFR only. Maybe some of the others on the list can add there $.02 worth. Having said that, I am reserving the right to upgrade my panel in the future, if I ever get the IFR bug. As for the Garmin 496, I installed an AirGizmo (http://www.airgizmos.com/) in my panel with the angle adapter so it will be slanted towards me. Great device and it has let me build up my panel without actually owning a GPS. In January I hope the price comes down a notch so I can purchase a 496. Pictures are at the bottom of this page: http://www.repucci.com/bill/instruments.html Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Lee Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels --> Bill & Radomir, I've been spending an inordinate amount of time looking.! I am planning the back-up instruments pretty much as outlined by Radomir, but having trouble determining whether to put in an IFR gps in. I flew a lot of IFR in the Baron and Bonanza with and without an IFR approved gps.(Used a Garmin Pilot III). It's no problem enroute. I had dual glideslopes, RMI, NDB, etc. I only shot 4-6 actual gps approaches(they are easy), rest ILS. Seems as if a 496 is great value. I am basically cheap and also trying to determine how much IFR will actually be flown in the RV. Totally different profile than my earlier aircraft. Wonder how many of the "older" military and airline flyers equip their planes? Thanks for the response. I hope to see your projects soon. David Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79653#79653 ________________________________ Message 5 ________________________________ _____ Time: 06:35:48 PM PST US From: "Bill Repucci" Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Glare Shield covering On the VAF some guy posted a picture of his glare shield. What made it unique was that he used stripes of black Velcro loops to cover it, giving him a place to stick pencils, GPS, and anything else he could think of. Thinking this was a great idea, I was able to locate some that was wide enough to cover the entire glare shield of my RV-9 with one piece. The only problem was that I had to buy an minimum size of 60" by five yards. Yep, I'll have a little bit more than I can use. If anyone of you would like to cover your glare shield with a loop section of Velcro, let me know, I'm sure we can work a deal. I'm asking $20 for an RV-8 sized piece, $25 for the -6, 7, & 9 and $30 for an RV-10. I realize that in keeping with RV-10 pricing, I should really charge something like $150 but I will keep it reasonable. The loop fabric I have ordered does not have adhesive on it but I have had good luck with proseal and my favorite, Goop Automotive Trim Adhesive. Send me an e-mail (bill@repucci.com) off list, if you are interested. Bill PS. Sorry, about the ad on the list. I'm just trying to recover my costs and help out other builders. ________________________________ Message 6 ________________________________ _____ Time: 06:51:17 PM PST US From: "Bret Smith" Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Glare Shield covering Bill, why not cover your seats with it and you won't need seatbelts? Heck, look at the weight savings too. Bret Smith RV-9A (91314) Mineral Bluff, GA www.FlightInnovations.com _____ From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Repucci Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 9:26 PM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Glare Shield covering On the VAF some guy posted a picture of his glare shield. What made it unique was that he used stripes of black Velcro loops to cover it, giving him a place to stick pencils, GPS, and anything else he could think of. Thinking this was a great idea, I was able to locate some that was wide enough to cover the entire glare shield of my RV-9 with one piece. The only problem was that I had to buy an minimum size of 60" by five yards. Yep, I'll have a little bit more than I can use. If anyone of you would like to cover your glare shield with a loop section of Velcro, let me know, I'm sure we can work a deal. I'm asking $20 for an RV-8 sized piece, $25 for the -6, 7, & 9 and $30 for an RV-10. I realize that in keeping with RV-10 pricing, I should really charge something like $150 but I will keep it reasonable. The loop fabric I have ordered does not have adhesive on it but I have had good luck with proseal and my favorite, Goop Automotive Trim Adhesive. Send me an e-mail (bill@repucci.com) off list, if you are interested. Bill PS. Sorry, about the ad on the list. I'm just trying to recover my costs and help out other builders. ________________________________ Message 7 ________________________________ _____ Time: 07:00:02 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels For me, the perspective really changed when I move from building a panel to flying behind it. I have backups in my RV-8 that I will not bother to have in the 7 -- as the panel page on a Garmin x96 is good enough. And, the 'glass' the x96 is backing up is super reliable & many have internal battery backups. Maybe the answer is keep it simple, but plan for expansion and flexibility. Mostly VFR thoughts, but maybe some of it applies to your question... - Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com > -----Original Message----- > From: Bill Repucci [mailto:bill@repucci.com] > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 9:26 PM > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels > > --> > > David, > > I am a simple VFR type (My last plane, 1941 BC-12/65, did not > even have an electrical system.) and when I talk to RV > builder/owners who have equipped their planes with IFR panels > I am always surprised to find that they rarely use it. To > the point where many of them have told me that next time they > will leave it VFR only. > > Maybe some of the others on the list can add there $.02 worth. > > Having said that, I am reserving the right to upgrade my > panel in the future, if I ever get the IFR bug. > > As for the Garmin 496, I installed an AirGizmo > (http://www.airgizmos.com/) in my panel with the angle > adapter so it will be slanted towards me. Great device and > it has let me build up my panel without actually owning a > GPS. In January I hope the price comes down a notch so I can > purchase a 496. Pictures are at the bottom of this page: > http://www.repucci.com/bill/instruments.html > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On > Behalf Of David Lee > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 5:45 PM > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels > > > --> > > Bill & Radomir, > > I've been spending an inordinate amount of time looking.! I > am planning the back-up instruments pretty much as outlined > by Radomir, but having trouble determining whether to put in > an IFR gps in. I flew a lot of IFR in the Baron and Bonanza > with and without an IFR approved gps.(Used a Garmin Pilot > III). It's no problem enroute. I had dual glideslopes, RMI, > NDB, etc. I only shot 4-6 actual gps approaches(they are > easy), rest ILS. Seems as if a 496 is great value. > > I am basically cheap and also trying to determine how much > IFR will actually be flown in the RV. Totally different > profile than my earlier aircraft. Wonder how many of the > "older" military and airline flyers equip their planes? > > Thanks for the response. I hope to see your projects soon. > > David > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79653#79653 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Photoshare, and much much more: > > > ________________________________ Message 8 ________________________________ _____ Time: 07:08:40 PM PST US From: "bburril" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels Bill just get a 396 it does everything that a 496 does just not as fast,and for a lot less. Ben ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Repucci" Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 9:26 PM Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels > > David, > > I am a simple VFR type (My last plane, 1941 BC-12/65, did not even have > an electrical system.) and when I talk to RV builder/owners who have > equipped their planes with IFR panels I am always surprised to find that > they rarely use it. To the point where many of them have told me that > next time they will leave it VFR only. > > Maybe some of the others on the list can add there $.02 worth. > > Having said that, I am reserving the right to upgrade my panel in the > future, if I ever get the IFR bug. > > As for the Garmin 496, I installed an AirGizmo > (http://www.airgizmos.com/) in my panel with the angle adapter so it > will be slanted towards me. Great device and it has let me build up my > panel without actually owning a GPS. In January I hope the price comes > down a notch so I can purchase a 496. Pictures are at the bottom of > this page: http://www.repucci.com/bill/instruments.html > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David > Lee > Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 5:45 PM > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels > > > --> > > Bill & Radomir, > > I've been spending an inordinate amount of time looking.! I am planning > the back-up instruments pretty much as outlined by Radomir, but having > trouble determining whether to put in an IFR gps in. I flew a lot of IFR > in the Baron and Bonanza with and without an IFR approved gps.(Used a > Garmin Pilot III). It's no problem enroute. I had dual glideslopes, RMI, > NDB, etc. I only shot 4-6 actual gps approaches(they are easy), rest > ILS. Seems as if a 496 is great value. > > I am basically cheap and also trying to determine how much IFR will > actually be flown in the RV. Totally different profile than my earlier > aircraft. Wonder how many of the "older" military and airline flyers > equip their planes? > > Thanks for the response. I hope to see your projects soon. > > David > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79653#79653 > > > ________________________________ Message 9 ________________________________ _____ Time: 07:14:29 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels David, I about fell over when you mentioned the "older military and airline flyers". Are you talking to me? I have dual screen GRT EFIS with internal GPS and a Garmin 296, Trio aiutopil ot with altitude hold, SL-30 nav/com, 327 transponder and PSE audio panel with m arker beacon. I have an altimeter and airspeed indicator for backup instruments. I probably won't have too many occasions to fly IFR in the RV-8, but if there is no chance of thunderstorms or iceing, why not. The GPS is great for enrou te nav (I like the 296 much more than the GRT internal) and I can use the SL-30 for ILS or VOR approaches. An autopilot is a "must have" for IFR in the RV IMHO and also serves as a backup turn and bank indicator, so I don't feel the need to have a backup attitude indicator. And I certainly won't put anyth ing in my panel that has a mecanical (electric or vacuum) gyro that will get abus ed every time I do acro. Ron Schreck RV-8 "Miss Izzy" Gold Hill Airpark, NC > > From: "David Lee" > Date: 2006/12/06 Wed PM 05:44:56 EST > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels > > > Bill & Radomir, > > I've been spending an inordinate amount of time looking.! I am planning the back-up instruments pretty much as outlined by Radomir, but having trouble de termining whether to put in an IFR gps in. I flew a lot of IFR in the Baron and Bonanza with and without an IFR approved gps.(Used a Garmin Pilot III). It's no problem enroute. I had dual glideslopes, RMI, NDB, etc. I only shot 4-6 ac tual gps approaches(they are easy), rest ILS. Seems as if a 496 is great value. > > I am basically cheap and also trying to determine how much IFR will actually be flown in the RV. Totally different profile than my earlier aircraft. Wonder how many of the "older" military and airline flyers equip their planes? > > Thanks for the response. I hope to see your projects soon. > > David > > > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79653#79653 > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 _______________________________ _____ Time: 07:23:35 PM PST US From: "bburril" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels He said older not ancient! ----- Original Message ----- From: Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 10:14 PM Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels > > David, > > I about fell over when you mentioned the "older military and airline > flyers". Are you talking to me? > I have dual screen GRT EFIS with internal GPS and a Garmin 296, Trio > aiutopilot with altitude hold, SL-30 nav/com, 327 transponder and PSE > audio panel with marker beacon. I have an altimeter and airspeed > indicator for backup instruments. I probably won't have too many > occasions to fly IFR in the RV-8, but if there is no chance of > thunderstorms or iceing, why not. The GPS is great for enroute nav (I > like the 296 much more than the GRT internal) and I can use the SL-30 for > ILS or VOR approaches. An autopilot is a "must have" for IFR in the RV > IMHO and also serves as a backup turn and bank indicator, so I don't feel > the need to have a backup attitude indicator. And I certainly won't put > anything in my panel that has a mecanical (electric or vacuum) gyro that > will get abused every time I do acro. > > Ron Schreck > RV-8 "Miss Izzy" > Gold Hill Airpark, NC > > >> >> From: "David Lee" >> Date: 2006/12/06 Wed PM 05:44:56 EST >> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels >> >> >> Bill & Radomir, >> >> I've been spending an inordinate amount of time looking.! I am planning >> the back-up instruments pretty much as outlined by Radomir, but having >> trouble determining whether to put in an IFR gps in. I flew a lot of IFR >> in the Baron and Bonanza with and without an IFR approved gps.(Used a >> Garmin Pilot III). It's no problem enroute. I had dual glideslopes, RMI, >> NDB, etc. I only shot 4-6 actual gps approaches(they are easy), rest ILS. >> Seems as if a 496 is great value. >> >> I am basically cheap and also trying to determine how much IFR will >> actually be flown in the RV. Totally different profile than my earlier >> aircraft. Wonder how many of the "older" military and airline flyers >> equip their planes? >> >> Thanks for the response. I hope to see your projects soon. >> >> David >> >> >> >> >> Read this topic online here: >> >> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79653#79653 >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 11 _______________________________ _____ Time: 07:45:24 PM PST US Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels From: "David Lee" Thanks guys, Ron, I did not mention any names!! As for the rest the opinions are varied as I suspected they might be. If you don't fly IFR you don't need to spend all the money and time. The planes are fast, responsive, light, economical, etc...all the reason I'm building. I am just use to going when the weather is not cavu, although I may change my mind after flying the RV a bit (whenever that is going to be). Still pondering. David Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79722#79722 ________________________________ Message 12 _______________________________ _____ Time: 08:09:58 PM PST US From: "Bill Repucci" Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Glare Shield covering Good idea! I have also suggested this to a friend for his two year-old. I figure he can put it on his kid's diaper and the 2. That way the kid can't make a run for it when his wife is shopping. ;) Heck, you could also use the stuff to hang the kid on the wall why working on your plane. It would keep him out of trouble and at eye level so he could learn as you rivet. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bret Smith Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 9:51 PM Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Glare Shield covering Bill, why not cover your seats with it and you won't need seatbelts? Heck, look at the weight savings too. Bret Smith RV-9A (91314) Mineral Bluff, GA www.FlightInnovations.com _____ From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Repucci Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 9:26 PM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Glare Shield covering On the VAF some guy posted a picture of his glare shield. What made it unique was that he used stripes of black Velcro loops to cover it, giving him a place to stick pencils, GPS, and anything else he could think of. Thinking this was a great idea, I was able to locate some that was wide enough to cover the entire glare shield of my RV-9 with one piece. The only problem was that I had to buy an minimum size of 60" by five yards. Yep, I'll have a little bit more than I can use. If anyone of you would like to cover your glare shield with a loop section of Velcro, let me know, I'm sure we can work a deal. I'm asking $20 for an RV-8 sized piece, $25 for the -6, 7, & 9 and $30 for an RV-10. I realize that in keeping with RV-10 pricing, I should really charge something like $150 but I will keep it reasonable. The loop fabric I have ordered does not have adhesive on it but I have had good luck with proseal and my favorite, Goop Automotive Trim Adhesive. Send me an e-mail (bill@repucci.com) off list, if you are interested. Bill PS. Sorry, about the ad on the list. I'm just trying to recover my costs and help out other builders. href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.kitlog.com">www.kitlog.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/ch ref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.mat ronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List ========= ========= ========= ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 10:20:12 AM PST US From: "Steve Glasgow" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs AOPA's Free! Cappy ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Ensing To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 8:27 AM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs Hello SERV'ers. Would you mind participating in a simple little survey? What Flight Planning program do you use? Or, which is your favorite? How much do you pay for it? Dale Ensing ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:42:46 PM PST US From: DOUGPFLYRV@aol.com Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs I USE _www.fltplan.com_ (http://www.fltplan.com) for corporate flights and RV flights. it is FREE and great! Doug Preston BHM DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:57 PM PST US From: "Bill Repucci" Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels Len, I sure wish I did have some inside info but Garmin is very tight with the pricing. I do know a guy who's son works there and tried to get some info that way but no joy. :( >From what I have been reading, Garmin holds all of their dealers to a "Advertised Suggested Retail Price" but if you call the various dealers, they will cut that price. About the lowest I have heard is around $2,400 but I don't know if that is true or forum BS. Either way, in January I am going to start calling around to see what I can work up. If some of are SERIOUS about buying a 496 let me know and I'll see if I can work a group buy. Who knows, we might get lucky. To make this clear, all I want to know is if you are SERIOUS about buying a 496. When I go the vendors (and possibly Garmin) I want hard orders, not "maybe orders". I will NOT take any action until after the first of the year. As for paying for the thing, I will try to work it where each of you gives the supplier a credit card number so I don't have to deal with payment. However, to get the best price, they may only wish to deal with one person, if that is the case, I will let you know and we can take it from there. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Lenleg@aol.com Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 8:17 AM Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels Bill: Do you have some type of inside info that prices could be coming down in January ???? Fingers crossed ... Len In a message dated 12/6/2006 9:37:09 P.M. Eastern Standard Time, bill@repucci.com writes: David, I am a simple VFR type (My last plane, 1941 BC-12/65, did not even have an electrical system.) and when I talk to RV builder/owners who have equipped their planes with IFR panels I am always surprised to find that they rarely use it. To the point where many of them have told me that next time they will leave it VFR only. Maybe some of the others on the list can add there $.02 worth. Having said that, I am reserving the right to upgrade my panel in the future, if I ever get the IFR bug. As for the Garmin 496, I installed an AirGizmo (http://www.airgizmos.com/) in my panel with the angle adapter so it will be slanted towards me. Great device and it has let me build up my panel without actually owning a GPS. In January I hope the price comes down a notch so I can purchase a 496. Pictures are at the bottom of this page: http://www.repucci.com/bill/instruments.html Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Lee Sent: Wednesday, December 06, 2006 5:45 PM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: IFR panels --> Bill & Radomir, I've been spending an inordinate amount of time looking.! I am planning the back-up instruments pretty much as outlined by Radomir, but having trouble determining whether to put in an IFR gps in. I flew a lot of IFR in the Baron and Bonanza with and without an IFR approved gps.(Used a Garmin Pilot III). It's no problem enroute. I had dual glideslopes, RMI, NDB, etc. I only shot 4-6 actual gps approaches(they are easy), rest ILS. Seems as if a 496 is great value. I am basically cheap and also trying to determine how much IFR will actually be flown in the RV. Totally different profile than my earlier aircraft. Wonder how many of the "older" military and airline flyers equip their planes? Thanks for the response. I hope to see your projects soon. David Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=79653#79653 sp; (And Get Some AWESOME FREE find fts ic you for nbsp; -Matt Dralle, List Use lities Day --> ==== ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:25 PM PST US From: "Bill Schlatterer" Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs www.FltPlan.com files automatically, great weather, holds several aircraft, gives nav plan, charts, approaches, fuel consumption, etc. All the charter guys around here use it and it's free. Bill S 7a engine _____ From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Ensing Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 7:27 AM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs Hello SERV'ers. Would you mind participating in a simple little survey? What Flight Planning program do you use? Or, which is your favorite? How much do you pay for it? Dale Ensing ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:15:10 PM PST US From: "tadsargent" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs EAA or AOPA for me. Tad ----- Original Message ----- From: Dale Ensing To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 07, 2006 8:27 AM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Flight Planning Programs Hello SERV'ers. Would you mind participating in a simple little survey? What Flight Planning program do you use? Or, which is your favorite? How much do you pay for it? 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