---------------------------------------------------------- RVSouthEast-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/04/07: 34 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:06 AM - Re: RV Slackers! (Steve Glasgow) 2. 04:59 AM - Re: RV Slackers! (Lenleg@aol.com) 3. 05:31 AM - Shop Ideas (Robbie Walker) 4. 06:20 AM - Re: Shop Ideas (Bill Boyd) 5. 06:21 AM - Re: RV Slackers! (Bill Boyd) 6. 06:49 AM - Re: RV Slackers! (Radomir Zaric) 7. 07:04 AM - Re: Shop Ideas (Dale Ensing) 8. 07:22 AM - Re: Shop Ideas (Robbie Walker) 9. 07:39 AM - Re: Shop Ideas (Dana Breda) 10. 07:43 AM - Re: Shop Ideas (Larry Bowen) 11. 08:11 AM - Re: Shop Ideas (Dwight Frye) 12. 08:12 AM - Re: Shop Ideas (Robbie Walker) 13. 08:42 AM - Re: Shop Ideas (Dana Breda) 14. 08:42 AM - Re: Shop Ideas (MauleDriver) 15. 09:08 AM - Re: Shop Ideas (Mike.Munn@fluor.com) 16. 10:21 AM - Re: Shop Ideas (Craig Gallenbach) 17. 10:56 AM - Re: Shop Ideas (Robbie Walker) 18. 11:18 AM - Re: Shop Ideas (Bret Smith) 19. 12:07 PM - Re: Shop Ideas (Robbie Walker) 20. 12:14 PM - Re: Shop Ideas (Bill Boyd) 21. 02:39 PM - Re: Shop Ideas (Bill Settle) 22. 02:50 PM - Re: Shop Ideas (Randy Pinkston) 23. 03:24 PM - Re: avionics air (Larry Bowen) 24. 03:25 PM - Re: Shop Ideas (Larry Bowen) 25. 03:32 PM - Re: Shop Ideas (Carter Wright) 26. 03:47 PM - Re: Re: avionics air (Randy Pinkston) 27. 04:11 PM - Re: Shop Ideas () 28. 04:47 PM - Re: Shop Ideas (Bill Repucci) 29. 05:36 PM - Re: Shop Ideas (David Lee) 30. 05:40 PM - Re: avionics air (David Lee) 31. 06:48 PM - Re: Re: Shop Ideas (Bill Settle) 32. 07:48 PM - engine photos (Radomir Zaric) 33. 08:38 PM - cool avonics with outside air (Roy Berrier) 34. 08:46 PM - Re: engine photos (bburril) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:06:32 AM PST US From: "Steve Glasgow" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV Slackers! MessageWay to go RAD!!!!!!!!! Cappy ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Repucci To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 8:58 PM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV Slackers! Where the heck where you guys on Monday afternoon? Recovering from your hangovers? Tad, Dale, and myself spent the afternoon at Radomir's helping him hang his engine. So now, I guess Radormir has a hangover. At least an engine hanging over his nose wheel. Bill ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:59:35 AM PST US From: Lenleg@aol.com Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV Slackers! Rad ... oh great official photographer one ... Where are the pics ??? Len In a message dated 1/4/2007 4:07:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, willfly@carolina.rr.com writes: Way to go RAD!!!!!!!!! Cappy ----- Original Message ----- From: _Bill Repucci_ (mailto:bill@repucci.com) Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 8:58 PM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV Slackers! Where the heck where you guys on Monday afternoon? Recovering from your hangovers? Tad, Dale, and myself spent the afternoon at Radomir's helping him hang his engine. So now, I guess Radormir has a hangover. At least an engine hanging over his nose wheel. Bill href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:31:00 AM PST US From: Robbie Walker Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Shop Ideas Folks, We're meeting with the builder next week to get started on our house. I don't know why I didn't think to ask this before... I'm "behind" this project before I even start!... but, do any of you have any suggestions, hints, gotchas, "if I had it to do over"'s or words of wisdom that you'd be willing to share particularly about using a garage as a shop? I'm hoping to not repeat other's mistakes and maybe make life a little easier on me down the road building my RV. Things like, "I wish I had run airlines through the walls ahead of time!", etc. It'd probably be good for "those that come after" too. don't hesitate to send me photos directly if you're not comfortable sending them on the list... Very excited! Robbie Walker RV Wannabe Wilmington, NC ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:20:22 AM PST US From: "Bill Boyd" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Shop Ideas Robbie: I wish I had told Miriam ahead of time that our cars would spend alot of time outdoors while the RV was being built :-) -Stormy On 1/4/07, Robbie Walker wrote: > > Folks, > We're meeting with the builder next week to get started on our house. > I don't know why I didn't think to ask this before... I'm "behind" > this project before I even start!... but, > > do any of you have any suggestions, hints, gotchas, "if I had it to > do over"'s or words of wisdom that you'd be willing to share > particularly about using a garage as a shop? > I'm hoping to not repeat other's mistakes and maybe make life a > little easier on me down the road building my RV. Things like, "I > wish I had run airlines through the walls ahead of time!", etc. > > It'd probably be good for "those that come after" too. > > don't hesitate to send me photos directly if you're not comfortable > sending them on the list... > > Very excited! > > Robbie Walker > RV Wannabe > Wilmington, NC > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:21:52 AM PST US From: "Bill Boyd" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV Slackers! Yeah, we wanna see "Yo, how's it hangin', Rad?" -Stormy On 1/4/07, Lenleg@aol.com wrote: > > > Rad ... oh great official photographer one ... > > Where are the pics ??? > > Len > > > In a message dated 1/4/2007 4:07:49 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, > willfly@carolina.rr.com writes: > > Way to go RAD!!!!!!!!! > > Cappy > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Bill Repucci > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com > Sent: Wednesday, January 03, 2007 8:58 PM > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: RV Slackers! > > > Where the heck where you guys on Monday afternoon? Recovering from your > hangovers? > > Tad, Dale, and myself spent the afternoon at Radomir's helping him hang his > engine. So now, I guess Radormir has a hangover. At least an engine > hanging over his nose wheel. > > Bill > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > > t > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List > .matronics.com/">http://forums.matronics.com > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:16 AM PST US From: "Radomir Zaric" Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: RV Slackers! Pics are coming.. I'll try to get them posted later today. Anyone interested in boring pics of engine assembly? I've got a lot of those. Radomir -----Original Message----- From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Boyd Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 9:22 AM Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: RV Slackers! Yeah, we wanna see "Yo, how's it hangin', Rad?" -Stormy ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:04:48 AM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Shop Ideas Stormy, You must have ultimate power at your house! My wife told me I could do what ever I wanted to with my side of the garage but her convertible was going on her side...No question! Gave me an excuse to buy a hangar. Dale do not archive > Robbie: I wish I had told Miriam ahead of time that our cars would > spend alot of time outdoors while the RV was being built :-) > > -Stormy > > On 1/4/07, Robbie Walker wrote: >> >> >> Folks, >> We're meeting with the builder next week to get started on our house. >> I don't know why I didn't think to ask this before... I'm "behind" >> this project before I even start!... but, >> >> do any of you have any suggestions, hints, gotchas, "if I had it to >> do over"'s or words of wisdom that you'd be willing to share >> particularly about using a garage as a shop? >> I'm hoping to not repeat other's mistakes and maybe make life a >> little easier on me down the road building my RV. Things like, "I >> wish I had run airlines through the walls ahead of time!", etc. >> >> It'd probably be good for "those that come after" too. >> >> don't hesitate to send me photos directly if you're not comfortable >> sending them on the list... >> >> Very excited! >> >> Robbie Walker >> RV Wannabe >> Wilmington, NC >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:22:42 AM PST US From: Robbie Walker Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Shop Ideas good one! thanks... that will require some careful thinking about... On Jan 4, 2007, at 9:20 AM, Bill Boyd wrote: > > > Robbie: I wish I had told Miriam ahead of time that our cars would > spend alot of time outdoors while the RV was being built :-) > > -Stormy > > On 1/4/07, Robbie Walker wrote: >> >> >> Folks, >> We're meeting with the builder next week to get started on our house. >> I don't know why I didn't think to ask this before... I'm "behind" >> this project before I even start!... but, >> >> do any of you have any suggestions, hints, gotchas, "if I had it to >> do over"'s or words of wisdom that you'd be willing to share >> particularly about using a garage as a shop? >> I'm hoping to not repeat other's mistakes and maybe make life a >> little easier on me down the road building my RV. Things like, "I >> wish I had run airlines through the walls ahead of time!", etc. >> >> It'd probably be good for "those that come after" too. >> >> don't hesitate to send me photos directly if you're not comfortable >> sending them on the list... >> >> Very excited! >> >> Robbie Walker >> RV Wannabe >> Wilmington, NC >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:39:56 AM PST US From: Dana Breda Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Shop Ideas Lots of electrical and air outlets and lights. The biggest issue I had was soundproofing. You'll be working late at night and the air compressor is LOUD (she says). Forget riveting after she goes to bed... :-) Dana Robbie Walker wrote: > > > Folks, > We're meeting with the builder next week to get started on our house. > I don't know why I didn't think to ask this before... I'm "behind" > this project before I even start!... but, > > do any of you have any suggestions, hints, gotchas, "if I had it to > do over"'s or words of wisdom that you'd be willing to share > particularly about using a garage as a shop? > I'm hoping to not repeat other's mistakes and maybe make life a > little easier on me down the road building my RV. Things like, "I > wish I had run airlines through the walls ahead of time!", etc. > > It'd probably be good for "those that come after" too. > > don't hesitate to send me photos directly if you're not comfortable > sending them on the list... > > Very excited! > > Robbie Walker > RV Wannabe > Wilmington, NC > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:43:41 AM PST US Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Shop Ideas From: "Larry Bowen" Floor in the rafters, creating a loft for storage. -- Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com Robbie Walker wrote: > > > good one! thanks... that will require some careful thinking about... > > On Jan 4, 2007, at 9:20 AM, Bill Boyd wrote: > >> >> >> Robbie: I wish I had told Miriam ahead of time that our cars would >> spend alot of time outdoors while the RV was being built :-) >> >> -Stormy >> >> On 1/4/07, Robbie Walker wrote: >>> >>> >>> Folks, >>> We're meeting with the builder next week to get started on our house. >>> I don't know why I didn't think to ask this before... I'm "behind" >>> this project before I even start!... but, >>> >>> do any of you have any suggestions, hints, gotchas, "if I had it to >>> do over"'s or words of wisdom that you'd be willing to share >>> particularly about using a garage as a shop? >>> I'm hoping to not repeat other's mistakes and maybe make life a >>> little easier on me down the road building my RV. Things like, "I >>> wish I had run airlines through the walls ahead of time!", etc. >>> >>> It'd probably be good for "those that come after" too. >>> >>> don't hesitate to send me photos directly if you're not comfortable >>> sending them on the list... >>> >>> Very excited! >>> >>> Robbie Walker >>> RV Wannabe >>> Wilmington, NC >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:11:27 AM PST US From: Dwight Frye Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Shop Ideas Lights! Lots of lighting for finding that screw you dropped. Painting the walls a very light color can help increase the brightness in the space too. If you can spare the cash to put one of the nice concrete floor finishes (light colored) that can help as well. -- Dwight (still could use more light in some areas) On Thu Jan 4 10:36:38 2007, Larry Bowen wrote : > > >Floor in the rafters, creating a loft for storage. > >-- >Larry Bowen >Larry@BowenAero.com >http://BowenAero.com > >Robbie Walker wrote: >> >> >> good one! thanks... that will require some careful thinking about... >> >> On Jan 4, 2007, at 9:20 AM, Bill Boyd wrote: >> >>> >>> >>> Robbie: I wish I had told Miriam ahead of time that our cars would >>> spend alot of time outdoors while the RV was being built :-) >>> >>> -Stormy >>> >>> On 1/4/07, Robbie Walker wrote: >>>> >>>> >>>> Folks, >>>> We're meeting with the builder next week to get started on our house. >>>> I don't know why I didn't think to ask this before... I'm "behind" >>>> this project before I even start!... but, >>>> >>>> do any of you have any suggestions, hints, gotchas, "if I had it to >>>> do over"'s or words of wisdom that you'd be willing to share >>>> particularly about using a garage as a shop? >>>> I'm hoping to not repeat other's mistakes and maybe make life a >>>> little easier on me down the road building my RV. Things like, "I >>>> wish I had run airlines through the walls ahead of time!", etc. >>>> >>>> It'd probably be good for "those that come after" too. >>>> >>>> don't hesitate to send me photos directly if you're not comfortable >>>> sending them on the list... >>>> >>>> Very excited! >>>> >>>> Robbie Walker >>>> RV Wannabe >>>> Wilmington, NC >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:12:39 AM PST US From: Robbie Walker Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Shop Ideas All great ideas, thanks! > Robbie, > > Build the house on a basement and build the plane down there. It > has worked out great for me! There was enough room to put the > wings and tail on in the basement. The only change I had to make > was to enlarge the single 32" door to a double 64" door. Pictures > are on my web site: www.repucci.com/bill/baf.html Bill, that's a great idea. Unfortunately that's out of my control in this development... as far as I know even the so-called "custom" homes don't have basements in this subdivision. > > Also don't forget about your electrical and lighting needs. Lots > of lights and 20 amp circuits . I have plugs every 10 feet or so > and they alternate on different circuits. Thus I can plug things > into two adjoining plugs and won't blow the breaker. Also, install > a dedicated circuit for your compressor. You might even start > looking into them now so you will know if you need 220 double phase > or just a single phase 20 amp. I have a single phase 20 amp > circuit for my 5 hp 35 gallon compressor. That has worked good but > the compressor is a bit small for painting. > > Good luck, > Bill Repucci I'm thinking of putting the compressor in a dedicated closet with extra soundproofing and an exhaust. Gonna wire the closet with a couple of dedicated circuits 110 and 220 just in case. Checkoway did something similar and I liked the concept. I can put air along the walls and add a few overheads... I love the idea of those cool springy looking yellow coil airhoses hanging down... what's that honey? oh well... it was a thought! > Lots of electrical and air outlets and lights. The biggest issue I > had was soundproofing. You'll be working late at night and the air > compressor is LOUD (she says). Forget riveting after she goes to > bed... :-) > Dana gonna soundproof as much as possible... luckily for me the bedroom is on the opposite corner of the house... my biggest concern is pissing off my neighbor who happens to be my pharmacist... that could be... "unwise" brick exterior should help and I'm gonna look into a more insulated garage door too. > > Floor in the rafters, creating a loft for storage. > > -- > Larry Bowen > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com What would you say is the minimum vertical clearance needed? For instance, if I build a storage rack the same height as the garage door further inside, will I have enough room to work under it? Will it help with building any jigs? We have a finished room over our garage (that would be Greta's domain... I had to choose "men's room" or RV... took about 2 seconds) so I won't have access to the rafters. What about wall racks? Would that be an acceptable compromise? I REALLY value your input guys!!!! Robbie ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:10 AM PST US From: Dana Breda Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Shop Ideas I built my -6 in my basement with 7'2" ceiling height - what was plenty of room. Dana > > What would you say is the minimum vertical clearance needed? For > instance, if I build a storage rack the same height as the garage > door further inside, will I have enough room to work under it? Will > it help with building any jigs? We have a finished room over our > garage (that would be Greta's domain... I had to choose "men's room" > or RV... took about 2 seconds) so I won't have access to the rafters. > What about wall racks? Would that be an acceptable compromise? > > I REALLY value your input guys!!!! > > Robbie > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 08:42:14 AM PST US From: MauleDriver Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Shop Ideas Since everything is a trade-off (otherwise you'd build a separate building...), a few thoughts about trade-offs - A big tank air compressor, perhaps in it's own sound proofed space may be a good way to reduce noise. My compressor typically comes on <1 times a building session. I can turn it off and work for hours. Only riveting seems noise prohibitive. - Putting an in-wall, overhead, air hose system is neat but I decided to keep it simple and cheap with hoses on the floor. Not bad. I bought a "light weight hose kit with manifold" from Cleaveland and mounted the manifold on a small board that I kick around. Spent money and time elsewhere. - An internet connection is priceless. Wireless should work without a problem in a garage. I have a far away out building and spent time/effort to extend wireless range - very worth the effort. Don't need cable, FM Attennas, telephone lines or anything as a result. Cell phone and wireless eliminates all the wiring - This being my third aviation related shop, I put fewer electrical outlets in this time with the realization that high quality extensions were more flexible. I just made sure I had the amps and capacity in the fixed outlets. - White wall and ceiling surfaces sure amplify the lighting nicely - I'm finding rolling tool chests are better than fixed storage. All of my aviation tools are in one chest. A second holds almost everything else except for power tools I'm not in a garage so YMMV. Just some thoughts. Dana Breda wrote: > > Lots of electrical and air outlets and lights. The biggest issue I > had was soundproofing. You'll be working late at night and the air > compressor is LOUD (she says). Forget riveting after she goes to > bed... :-) > Dana > > Robbie Walker wrote: > >> >> >> Folks, >> We're meeting with the builder next week to get started on our >> house. I don't know why I didn't think to ask this before... I'm >> "behind" this project before I even start!... but, >> >> do any of you have any suggestions, hints, gotchas, "if I had it to >> do over"'s or words of wisdom that you'd be willing to share >> particularly about using a garage as a shop? >> I'm hoping to not repeat other's mistakes and maybe make life a >> little easier on me down the road building my RV. Things like, "I >> wish I had run airlines through the walls ahead of time!", etc. >> >> It'd probably be good for "those that come after" too. >> >> don't hesitate to send me photos directly if you're not comfortable >> sending them on the list... >> >> Very excited! >> >> Robbie Walker >> RV Wannabe >> Wilmington, NC >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:28 AM PST US From: Mike.Munn@fluor.com Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Shop Ideas Go for a belt drive air compressor. They are much quieter than a direct drive compressor. The belt drive does require oil for lubrication while the direct drive compressors are oilless. Plenty of light. Heat (especially) and cooling would help on those cold winter nights and hot summer days. If the garage (aircraft fabrication facility) is large, then running copper air piping in the walls with several quick connects is helpful. And plenty of power outlets. 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Things like, "I wish I had run airlines through the walls ahead of time!", etc. It'd probably be good for "those that come after" too. don't hesitate to send me photos directly if you're not comfortable sending them on the list... Very excited! Robbie Walker RV Wannabe Wilmington, NC ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:56:18 AM PST US From: Robbie Walker Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Shop Ideas Guys (no ladies chimed in yet, that I'm aware of), I REALLY appreciate all the excellent suggestions. Thanks again. On Jan 4, 2007, at 1:20 PM, Craig Gallenbach wrote: > Locate your compressor outside of your work area and pipe the air > in. The compressor is LOUD. > > Robbie Walker wrote: > > Folks, > We're meeting with the builder next week to get started on our house. > I don't know why I didn't think to ask this before... I'm "behind" > this project before I even start!... but, > > do any of you have any suggestions, hints, gotchas, "if I had it to > do over"'s or words of wisdom that you'd be willing to share > particularly about using a garage as a shop? > I'm hoping to not repeat other's mistakes and maybe make life a > little easier on me down the road building my RV. Things like, "I > wish I had run airlines through the walls ahead of time!", etc. > > It'd probably be > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:26 AM PST US From: "Bret Smith" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Shop Ideas An additional thought, especially if you ever do woodworking in your garage (shop), is to run 4" vacuum ducts through the rafters for a remote vacuum system. Install blast valves near your drill press and any saw or bench sander. I have one in my shop (along with PVC runs for compressed air) to help in vacuuming all the tiny specks of aluminum dust. I located my vacuum system next to my compressor in another room (mechanical room) with a remote switch in the shop. Bret ----- Original Message ----- From: Robbie Walker To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 1:55 PM Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Shop Ideas Guys (no ladies chimed in yet, that I'm aware of), I REALLY appreciate all the excellent suggestions. Thanks again. On Jan 4, 2007, at 1:20 PM, Craig Gallenbach wrote: Locate your compressor outside of your work area and pipe the air in. The compressor is LOUD. Robbie Walker wrote: Folks, We're meeting with the builder next week to get started on our house. I don't know why I didn't think to ask this before... I'm "behind" this project before I even start!... but, do any of you have any suggestions, hints, gotchas, "if I had it to do over"'s or words of wisdom that you'd be willing to share particularly about using a garage as a shop? 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Me - power?! At my house? Think again, amigo. On 1/4/07, Dale Ensing wrote: > > Stormy, > You must have ultimate power at your house! My wife told me I could do what > ever I wanted to with my side of the garage but her convertible was going on > her side...No question! Gave me an excuse to buy a hangar. > Dale > do not archive > > > Robbie: I wish I had told Miriam ahead of time that our cars would > > spend alot of time outdoors while the RV was being built :-) > > > > -Stormy > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 02:39:58 PM PST US From: Bill Settle Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Shop Ideas If a basement is not going to be an option for you, if you can, build yourself a dedicated shop, I.E., a detached garage in addition to your auto garage. My bride calls mine the Man Cave... Paint walls white and have lots of light. I've got 9 8' H.O. florescent fixtures in my 26' x 32' and it's not too much. Floor the attic for storage, wall outlets every 10' or so on at least 2 circuits. I didn't do this, but a bathroom would also be nice... If a detached isn't possible, I would make the primary garage a 3 bay. That way you wouldn't have to leave anything parked outside while you build. Good Luck! Bill Settle Winston-Salem RV-8 Wings. > > From: Robbie Walker > Date: 2007/01/04 Thu AM 08:30:42 EST > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com > Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Shop Ideas > > > Folks, > We're meeting with the builder next week to get started on our house. > I don't know why I didn't think to ask this before... I'm "behind" > this project before I even start!... but, > > do any of you have any suggestions, hints, gotchas, "if I had it to > do over"'s or words of wisdom that you'd be willing to share > particularly about using a garage as a shop? > I'm hoping to not repeat other's mistakes and maybe make life a > little easier on me down the road building my RV. Things like, "I > wish I had run airlines through the walls ahead of time!", etc. > > It'd probably be good for "those that come after" too. > > don't hesitate to send me photos directly if you're not comfortable > sending them on the list... > > Very excited! > > Robbie Walker > RV Wannabe > Wilmington, NC > > > > > ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:48 PM PST US From: "Randy Pinkston" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Shop Ideas has anyone used air from air vent on side of the rv to cool avonics ?don't want to use fan if i can get by without it. randy pinkston flying rv7a ..... YES A..... I just dont like draging my tail ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robbie Walker" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:11 AM Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Shop Ideas > > All great ideas, thanks! > > > Robbie, > > > > Build the house on a basement and build the plane down there. It > > has worked out great for me! There was enough room to put the > > wings and tail on in the basement. The only change I had to make > > was to enlarge the single 32" door to a double 64" door. Pictures > > are on my web site: www.repucci.com/bill/baf.html > > Bill, that's a great idea. Unfortunately that's out of my control in > this development... as far as I know even the so-called "custom" > homes don't have basements in this subdivision. > > > > > Also don't forget about your electrical and lighting needs. Lots > > of lights and 20 amp circuits . I have plugs every 10 feet or so > > and they alternate on different circuits. Thus I can plug things > > into two adjoining plugs and won't blow the breaker. Also, install > > a dedicated circuit for your compressor. You might even start > > looking into them now so you will know if you need 220 double phase > > or just a single phase 20 amp. I have a single phase 20 amp > > circuit for my 5 hp 35 gallon compressor. That has worked good but > > the compressor is a bit small for painting. > > > > Good luck, > > Bill Repucci > > I'm thinking of putting the compressor in a dedicated closet with > extra soundproofing and an exhaust. Gonna wire the closet with a > couple of dedicated circuits 110 and 220 just in case. Checkoway did > something similar and I liked the concept. I can put air along the > walls and add a few overheads... I love the idea of those cool > springy looking yellow coil airhoses hanging down... what's that > honey? oh well... it was a thought! > > > > Lots of electrical and air outlets and lights. The biggest issue I > > had was soundproofing. You'll be working late at night and the air > > compressor is LOUD (she says). Forget riveting after she goes to > > bed... :-) > > Dana > > gonna soundproof as much as possible... luckily for me the bedroom is > on the opposite corner of the house... my biggest concern is pissing > off my neighbor who happens to be my pharmacist... that could be... > "unwise" > > brick exterior should help and I'm gonna look into a more insulated > garage door too. > > > > > > Floor in the rafters, creating a loft for storage. > > > > -- > > Larry Bowen > > Larry@BowenAero.com > > http://BowenAero.com > > What would you say is the minimum vertical clearance needed? For > instance, if I build a storage rack the same height as the garage > door further inside, will I have enough room to work under it? Will > it help with building any jigs? We have a finished room over our > garage (that would be Greta's domain... I had to choose "men's room" > or RV... took about 2 seconds) so I won't have access to the rafters. > What about wall racks? Would that be an acceptable compromise? > > I REALLY value your input guys!!!! > > Robbie > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 03:24:32 PM PST US Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: avionics air From: "Larry Bowen" Not that I've seen, but it seems doable. You could make a small T off the main line out of thin PVC oe something. Make the initial run up-hill in case rain gets in there. What indications do you have that your radios are too hot? -- Larry Bowen, RV-8, RV-7, 'cause I don't know any better... Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com Randy Pinkston wrote: > > > has anyone used air from air vent on side of the rv to cool avonics > ?don't > want to use fan if i can get by without it. randy pinkston flying rv7a > ..... > YES A..... I just dont like draging my tail ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 03:25:08 PM PST US Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Shop Ideas From: "Larry Bowen" LOL. Man cave...I like it. -- Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com do not archive Bill Settle wrote: > > > If a basement is not going to be an option for you, if you can, build > yourself a dedicated shop, I.E., a detached garage in addition to your > auto garage. My bride calls mine the Man Cave... Paint walls white and > have lots of light. I've got 9 8' H.O. florescent fixtures in my 26' x > 32' and it's not too much. Floor the attic for storage, wall outlets > every 10' or so on at least 2 circuits. I didn't do this, but a bathroom > would also be nice... If a detached isn't possible, I would make the > primary garage a 3 bay. That way you wouldn't have to leave anything > parked outside while you build. > > Good Luck! > > Bill Settle > Winston-Salem > RV-8 Wings. >> >> From: Robbie Walker >> Date: 2007/01/04 Thu AM 08:30:42 EST >> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com >> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Shop Ideas >> >> >> >> Folks, >> We're meeting with the builder next week to get started on our house. >> I don't know why I didn't think to ask this before... I'm "behind" >> this project before I even start!... but, >> >> do any of you have any suggestions, hints, gotchas, "if I had it to >> do over"'s or words of wisdom that you'd be willing to share >> particularly about using a garage as a shop? >> I'm hoping to not repeat other's mistakes and maybe make life a >> little easier on me down the road building my RV. Things like, "I >> wish I had run airlines through the walls ahead of time!", etc. >> >> It'd probably be good for "those that come after" too. >> >> don't hesitate to send me photos directly if you're not comfortable >> sending them on the list... >> >> Very excited! >> >> Robbie Walker >> RV Wannabe >> Wilmington, NC >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 03:32:38 PM PST US From: "Carter Wright" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Shop Ideas Bill- where are you building your RV-8 wings (I see WS by your signature line) ABF is delivering my RV-8 wings tomorrow! I'm also in WS (off ebert near clemmonsville Rd) I'd love to see your shop set up and progress. Carter Wright RV-8 ... Wings! Winston Salem _________________________________________________________________ The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes is here. Get all the scoop. http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/?icid=nctagline2 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:26 PM PST US From: "Randy Pinkston" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: avionics air just putting my hands on them plus i was told by a shop all radio stacks need it ....thanks randy pinkston ----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Bowen" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 6:17 PM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: avionics air > > Not that I've seen, but it seems doable. You could make a small T off the > main line out of thin PVC oe something. Make the initial run up-hill in > case rain gets in there. > > What indications do you have that your radios are too hot? > > -- > Larry Bowen, RV-8, RV-7, 'cause I don't know any better... > Larry@BowenAero.com > http://BowenAero.com > > Randy Pinkston wrote: > > > > > > has anyone used air from air vent on side of the rv to cool avonics > > ?don't > > want to use fan if i can get by without it. randy pinkston flying rv7a > > ..... > > YES A..... I just dont like draging my tail > > ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 04:11:36 PM PST US From: Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Shop Ideas Randy, My Cherokee 180 had a small scoop in a position similar to the rv's that mated to a 1 inch scat tube which blew across the AV stack. It bothered me so much flying in the rain that I eventually installed a fan and capped the intake. Ok, it never caused a problem but the Idea of rain being blown across my AV stack was more than I could stand. Something about Volts and H2O. Regards, Larry RV-7A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Randy Pinkston" Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 5:48 PM Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Shop Ideas > > > has anyone used air from air vent on side of the rv to cool avonics > ?don't > want to use fan if i can get by without it. randy pinkston flying rv7a > ..... > YES A..... I just dont like draging my tail > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Robbie Walker" > To: > Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 11:11 AM > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Shop Ideas > > > >> >> All great ideas, thanks! >> >> > Robbie, >> > >> > Build the house on a basement and build the plane down there. It >> > has worked out great for me! There was enough room to put the >> > wings and tail on in the basement. The only change I had to make >> > was to enlarge the single 32" door to a double 64" door. Pictures >> > are on my web site: www.repucci.com/bill/baf.html >> >> Bill, that's a great idea. Unfortunately that's out of my control in >> this development... as far as I know even the so-called "custom" >> homes don't have basements in this subdivision. >> >> > >> > Also don't forget about your electrical and lighting needs. Lots >> > of lights and 20 amp circuits . I have plugs every 10 feet or so >> > and they alternate on different circuits. Thus I can plug things >> > into two adjoining plugs and won't blow the breaker. Also, install >> > a dedicated circuit for your compressor. You might even start >> > looking into them now so you will know if you need 220 double phase >> > or just a single phase 20 amp. I have a single phase 20 amp >> > circuit for my 5 hp 35 gallon compressor. That has worked good but >> > the compressor is a bit small for painting. >> > >> > Good luck, >> > Bill Repucci >> >> I'm thinking of putting the compressor in a dedicated closet with >> extra soundproofing and an exhaust. Gonna wire the closet with a >> couple of dedicated circuits 110 and 220 just in case. Checkoway did >> something similar and I liked the concept. I can put air along the >> walls and add a few overheads... I love the idea of those cool >> springy looking yellow coil airhoses hanging down... what's that >> honey? oh well... it was a thought! >> >> >> > Lots of electrical and air outlets and lights. The biggest issue I >> > had was soundproofing. You'll be working late at night and the air >> > compressor is LOUD (she says). Forget riveting after she goes to >> > bed... :-) >> > Dana >> >> gonna soundproof as much as possible... luckily for me the bedroom is >> on the opposite corner of the house... my biggest concern is pissing >> off my neighbor who happens to be my pharmacist... that could be... >> "unwise" >> >> brick exterior should help and I'm gonna look into a more insulated >> garage door too. >> >> >> > >> > Floor in the rafters, creating a loft for storage. >> > >> > -- >> > Larry Bowen >> > Larry@BowenAero.com >> > http://BowenAero.com >> >> What would you say is the minimum vertical clearance needed? For >> instance, if I build a storage rack the same height as the garage >> door further inside, will I have enough room to work under it? Will >> it help with building any jigs? We have a finished room over our >> garage (that would be Greta's domain... I had to choose "men's room" >> or RV... took about 2 seconds) so I won't have access to the rafters. >> What about wall racks? Would that be an acceptable compromise? >> >> I REALLY value your input guys!!!! >> >> Robbie >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:48 PM PST US From: "Bill Repucci" Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Shop Ideas Two other thoughts... Put in some type of sound system and a beer fridge. I found that without some type of background music, I tend to spend less time in the shop. The beer fridge is so it will be easy to talk your "friends" over to help from time to time. Oh, and keep a lock on it until after the task at hand is finished. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Carter Wright Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 6:32 PM Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Shop Ideas --> Bill- where are you building your RV-8 wings (I see WS by your signature line) ABF is delivering my RV-8 wings tomorrow! I'm also in WS (off ebert near clemmonsville Rd) I'd love to see your shop set up and progress. Carter Wright RV-8 ... Wings! Winston Salem _________________________________________________________________ The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes is here. Get all the scoop. http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/?icid=nctagline2 ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 05:36:10 PM PST US Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Shop Ideas From: "David Lee" Plenty of light and the compressor(belt driven --oil filled) away from your work area. I put mind on the other side of a wall in a small storage shed attached to the garage. Plumbed with PVC pipe--480 PSI-- across the garage ceiling down to a distribution center where the filter and oiler are located. ran two lines with quick releases from here. You want one before the oiler and one after. Oil and paint don't mix very well!. Negotiate with your wife on utilizing the whole two car garage or build a separate shop area. You will need the space. I am restricted to 1/2 of a two car and will be out space when the wings and fuselage arrive next week. Hope to have relief come spring or summer. Must get creative on the space tho! Good luck, David Lee Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85529#85529 ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 05:40:42 PM PST US Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: avionics air From: "David Lee" Outside air will contain a lot of moisture during our summers and the heat will build on the ground. Be careful. A fan may be the cheapest solution in the long run. Some avionics have a self contained fan (Garmin 430/530). Might want to check. Regards, David Lee Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=85531#85531 ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 06:48:12 PM PST US From: Bill Settle Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Shop Ideas Congrats! It only took me about 5 hours to inventory and organize my wing kit.... I'm within a couple of miles of you... I live just off Hickory Tree Road in Merrifield, .7 mi from 150. You're welcome anytime. Bill. > > From: "Carter Wright" > Date: 2007/01/04 Thu PM 06:32:22 EST > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Shop Ideas > > > Bill- > where are you building your RV-8 wings (I see WS by your signature line) > > ABF is delivering my RV-8 wings tomorrow! I'm also in WS (off ebert near > clemmonsville Rd) > > I'd love to see your shop set up and progress. > > Carter Wright > RV-8 ... Wings! > Winston Salem > > _________________________________________________________________ > The MSN Entertainment Guide to Golden Globes is here. Get all the scoop. > http://tv.msn.com/tv/globes2007/?icid=nctagline2 > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 32 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:56 PM PST US From: "Radomir Zaric" Subject: RVSouthEast-List: engine photos Here are some pics of my engine. First, a lot of boring photos of the engine assembly: http://www.vitez.net/rv7/engine/assembly/ And here are a few photos of us hanging the engine: http://www.vitez.net/rv7/engine/hanging/ Radomir -7A FWF ________________________________ Message 33 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:24 PM PST US From: Roy Berrier Subject: RVSouthEast-List: cool avonics with outside air Randy, Reference your question about using outside air to cool the avionics stack... I have a similar setup on my Cessna that seems to work very well with no H2o complications... A dedicated outside intake that is ducted into a downward run, then back uphill to the avionics stack.... Roy B. RV8-A (in-process) ________________________________ Message 34 ____________________________________ Time: 08:46:36 PM PST US From: "bburril" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: engine photos RAD,THE ONLY THING I SEE BAD ABOUT THOSE PICTURES,IS THAT YOU LOOK LIKE YOU COULD HAVE A HANG NAIL THAT NEEDS SOME ATTENTION ON THAT RIGHT INDEX FINGER. ----- Original Message ----- From: Radomir Zaric To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 04, 2007 10:47 PM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: engine photos Here are some pics of my engine. First, a lot of boring photos of the engine assembly: http://www.vitez.net/rv7/engine/assembly/ And here are a few photos of us hanging the engine: http://www.vitez.net/rv7/engine/hanging/ Radomir -7A FWF ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RVSouthEast-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rvsoutheast-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rvsoutheast-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.