---------------------------------------------------------- RVSouthEast-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 06/16/07: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:12 PM - Fw: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos (Larry Bowen) 2. 12:32 PM - Re: Fw: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos (Ed Anderson) 3. 01:13 PM - Re: Fw: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos (Steve Glasgow) 4. 07:05 PM - Re: Fw: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos (John S Cargill) 5. 07:36 PM - East Coast to Yellowstone! (Larry Bowen) 6. 10:07 PM - Re: Fw: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos (Bill Repucci) 7. 10:07 PM - Re: East Coast to Yellowstone! (Bill Repucci) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:12:43 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos Yeeouch. First picture looked like he was doing everything right.... -- Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Gary A. Sobek The RV Hotline http://www.expercraft.com/hotline/current was in my eMail box this morning. There is a story in it about a UK RV-7A that had photos taken WHILE it was NOSING OVER. There were no injuries reported in the story. A link to the story. http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=279412 Here are the photos taken while it was flipping. http://www.airteamimages.com/49328.html http://www.airteamimages.com/49329.html http://www.airteamimages.com/49330.html http://www.airteamimages.com/49331.html ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:32:02 PM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos Don't know if anything to it, but back in 1998 when I replaced my nose gear for a beefier one offered by Van's after several nose gears had failed, I did not put the wooden stiffener strips on it as that was supposedly no longer needed. However, I noticed right after landing and during high speed taxi that there was a sensation as if the nose wheel was tucking back and then pulling forward. I did not like the sensation so I put wooden stiffeners back on the nose gear. Years later I had the learning lesson of flying with a new much larger prop. I neglected to go to altitude to determine its affect on rate of sink, etc. To make a long story short, when landing long I pulled the throttle all the way back to the stops and immediately lost 10-15 mph airspeed and dropped out of the air from 10-12 feet. I only had time to get the stick back into my stomach before (fortunately) hitting on the two main gear, bounced into the air for another 4-6 feet this time dragging the rudder fairings (yes, still had the stick tucked back to my backbone), and eventually came to a stop (right side up and on the runway at Goosecreek). Bent both main gear and had to replace the rudder eyebolt bearings as well as do a bit of fiberglass work on the rudder bottom fairing - but fortunately the nose never tucked under which would have surely had me doing the infamous RV-6A nose-spinner pole vault. When I examined the nose gear, I found the two wooden stiffeners I had fiberglassed to the gear had both broken. I am convinced that had I not had the stiffeners that the ending would not have been as happy. Just my opinion, since I had no desire to collect additional data on the phenomena to verify my theory{:>) Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Bowen To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos Yeeouch. First picture looked like he was doing everything right.... -- Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Gary A. Sobek To: SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com The RV Hotline http://www.expercraft.com/hotline/current was in my eMail box this morning. There is a story in it about a UK RV-7A that had photos taken WHILE it was NOSING OVER. There were no injuries reported in the story. A link to the story. http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=279412 Here are the photos taken while it was flipping. http://www.airteamimages.com/49328.html http://www.airteamimages.com/49329.html http://www.airteamimages.com/49330.html http://www.airteamimages.com/49331.html ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 01:13:41 PM PST US From: "Steve Glasgow" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos Maybe he hit a rabbit? Cappy ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Anderson To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 4:01 PM Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos Don't know if anything to it, but back in 1998 when I replaced my nose gear for a beefier one offered by Van's after several nose gears had failed, I did not put the wooden stiffener strips on it as that was supposedly no longer needed. However, I noticed right after landing and during high speed taxi that there was a sensation as if the nose wheel was tucking back and then pulling forward. I did not like the sensation so I put wooden stiffeners back on the nose gear. Years later I had the learning lesson of flying with a new much larger prop. I neglected to go to altitude to determine its affect on rate of sink, etc. To make a long story short, when landing long I pulled the throttle all the way back to the stops and immediately lost 10-15 mph airspeed and dropped out of the air from 10-12 feet. I only had time to get the stick back into my stomach before (fortunately) hitting on the two main gear, bounced into the air for another 4-6 feet this time dragging the rudder fairings (yes, still had the stick tucked back to my backbone), and eventually came to a stop (right side up and on the runway at Goosecreek). Bent both main gear and had to replace the rudder eyebolt bearings as well as do a bit of fiberglass work on the rudder bottom fairing - but fortunately the nose never tucked under which would have surely had me doing the infamous RV-6A nose-spinner pole vault. When I examined the nose gear, I found the two wooden stiffeners I had fiberglassed to the gear had both broken. I am convinced that had I not had the stiffeners that the ending would not have been as happy. Just my opinion, since I had no desire to collect additional data on the phenomena to verify my theory{:>) Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Bowen To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos Yeeouch. First picture looked like he was doing everything right.... -- Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Gary A. Sobek To: SoCAL-RVlist@yahoogroups.com The RV Hotline http://www.expercraft.com/hotline/current was in my eMail box this morning. There is a story in it about a UK RV-7A that had photos taken WHILE it was NOSING OVER. There were no injuries reported in the story. A link to the story. http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=279412 Here are the photos taken while it was flipping. http://www.airteamimages.com/49328.html http://www.airteamimages.com/49329.html http://www.airteamimages.com/49330.html http://www.airteamimages.com/49331.html href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:59 PM PST US From: John S Cargill Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos In the photos where is the nose wheel pant? Steve Glasgow wrote: Maybe he hit a rabbit? Cappy ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Anderson To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 4:01 PM Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos Don't know if anything to it, but back in 1998 when I replaced my nose gear for a beefier one offered by Van's after several nose gears had failed, I did not put the wooden stiffener strips on it as that was supposedly no longer needed. However, I noticed right after landing and during high speed taxi that there was a sensation as if the nose wheel was tucking back and then pulling forward. I did not like the sensation so I put wooden stiffeners back on the nose gear. Years later I had the learning lesson of flying with a new much larger prop. I neglected to go to altitude to determine its affect on rate of sink, etc. To make a long story short, when landing long I pulled the throttle all the way back to the stops and immediately lost 10-15 mph airspeed and dropped out of the air from 10-12 feet. I only had time to get the stick back into my stomach before (fortunately) hitting on the two main gear, bounced into the air for another 4-6 feet this time dragging the rudder fairings (yes, still had the stick tucked back to my backbone), and eventually came to a stop (right side up and on the runway at Goosecreek). Bent both main gear and had to replace the rudder eyebolt bearings as well as do a bit of fiberglass work on the rudder bottom fairing - but fortunately the nose never tucked under which would have surely had me doing the infamous RV-6A nose-spinner pole vault. When I examined the nose gear, I found the two wooden stiffeners I had fiberglassed to the gear had both broken. I am convinced that had I not had the stiffeners that the ending would not have been as happy. Just my opinion, since I had no desire to collect additional data on the phenomena to verify my theory{:>) Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Bowen To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos Yeeouch. First picture looked like he was doing everything right.... -- Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Gary A. Sobek The RV Hotline http://www.expercraft.com/hotline/current was in my eMail box this morning. There is a story in it about a UK RV-7A that had photos taken WHILE it was NOSING OVER. There were no injuries reported in the story. A link to the story. http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=279412 Here are the photos taken while it was flipping. http://www.airteamimages.com/49328.html http://www.airteamimages.com/49329.html http://www.airteamimages.com/49330.html http://www.airteamimages.com/49331.html href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com John S Cargill 919 605 8222 Let Us Make Your Experimental Dreams Come True www.2bumsaircraft.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:36:24 PM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: RVSouthEast-List: East Coast to Yellowstone! Several RV's from the east coast went to Cody, WY last week to check out Yellowstone. What an adventure! For me, it ranks right up there with the first flight as far as accomplishments go! Notes, pics and video here: http://bowenaero.com/mt3/2007/06/yellowstone_200.html Enjoy. -- Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:51 PM PST US From: "Bill Repucci" Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos The original thread mentions that he had removed the nose wheel pant prior to the flight, for reasons unknown. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John S Cargill Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 10:06 PM Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos In the photos where is the nose wheel pant? Steve Glasgow wrote: Maybe he hit a rabbit? Cappy ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed Anderson Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 4:01 PM Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos Don't know if anything to it, but back in 1998 when I replaced my nose gear for a beefier one offered by Van's after several nose gears had failed, I did not put the wooden stiffener strips on it as that was supposedly no longer needed. However, I noticed right after landing and during high speed taxi that there was a sensation as if the nose wheel was tucking back and then pulling forward. I did not like the sensation so I put wooden stiffeners back on the nose gear. Years later I had the learning lesson of flying with a new much larger prop. I neglected to go to altitude to determine its affect on rate of sink, etc. To make a long story short, when landing long I pulled the throttle all the way back to the stops and immediately lost 10-15 mph airspeed and dropped out of the air from 10-12 feet. I only had time to get the stick back into my stomach before (fortunately) hitting on the two main gear, bounced into the air for another 4-6 feet this time dragging the rudder fairings (yes, still had the stick tucked back to my backbone), and eventually came to a stop (right side up and on the runway at Goosecreek). Bent both main gear and had to replace the rudder eyebolt bearings as well as do a bit of fiberglass work on the rudder bottom fairing - but fortunately the nose never tucked under which would have surely had me doing the infamous RV-6A nose-spinner pole vault. When I examined the nose gear, I found the two wooden stiffeners I had fiberglassed to the gear had both broken. I am convinced that had I not had the stiffeners that the ending would not have been as happy. Just my opinion, since I had no desire to collect additional data on the phenomena to verify my theory{:>) Ed ----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Bowen Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 3:12 PM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fwd: [SoCAL-RVlist] RV-7A flipping over photos Yeeouch. First picture looked like he was doing everything right.... -- Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com ---------- Forwarded message ---------- From: Gary A. Sobek The RV Hotline http://www.expercraft.com/hotline/current was in my eMail box this morning. There is a story in it about a UK RV-7A that had photos taken WHILE it was NOSING OVER. There were no injuries reported in the story. A link to the story. http://www.pprune.org/forums/showthread.php?t=279412 Here are the photos taken while it was flipping. http://www.airteamimages.com/49328.html http://www.airteamimages.com/49329.html http://www.airteamimages.com/49330.html http://www.airteamimages.com/49331.html href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:07:51 PM PST US From: "Bill Repucci" Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: East Coast to Yellowstone! Larry, Great pictures! We hope to join you next year. Possibly on the way to AK. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry Bowen Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2007 10:36 PM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: East Coast to Yellowstone! Several RV's from the east coast went to Cody, WY last week to check out Yellowstone. What an adventure! For me, it ranks right up there with the first flight as far as accomplishments go! Notes, pics and video here: http://bowenaero.com/mt3/2007/06/yellowstone_200.html Enjoy. -- Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RVSouthEast-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rvsoutheast-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rvsoutheast-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.