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1. 05:33 AM - Re: Re: NC Airports - 110 destinations (bill crothers)
2. 08:01 AM - Re: NC Airports ---Virginia (bburril)
3. 10:15 AM - Re: For those of you not going to Stormy's on the 30th (Bret Smith)
4. 05:13 PM - Re: Re: NC Airports - 110 destinations (bill crothers)
5. 06:55 PM - Re: Re: NC Airports - 110 destinations (Ron Schreck)
6. 07:58 PM - Re: Re: NC Airports - 110 destinations (Bill Repucci)
7. 08:03 PM - Cody Article (Larry Bowen)
8. 08:26 PM - Re: Cody Article (James Clark)
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| Subject: | Re: NC Airports - 110 destinations |
doing the 110 would be a great accomplishment even
over a period of time...I think I'll work towards
filling in my blanks by yr. end. Will compile a list
soon.. keep us updated .RR
--- Ron Schreck <ronschreck@windstream.net> wrote:
> <ronschreck@windstream.net>
>
> Bill,
>
> The NC DOT Avaiation Division's "NC Airport Guide"
> lists 110 PUBLIC airports. They say there are about
> 300 private airports and heliports. I had to pick
> reasonable criteria. Can't imagine trying to get
> permission to land at hundreds of private airports
> and certainly not in one day!
>
> Smokey
> >
> > From: bill crothers <bill28104@yahoo.com>
> > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun PM 08:47:53 EDT
> > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports -
> 110 destinations
> >
> crothers <bill28104@yahoo.com>
> >
> > BTW guys, there are WAY more than 110 airports in
> NC..
> > I can show 20 near clt counting all the private
> ones,
> > many which I have visited. I bet its 200+. Reno.
> > --- James Clark <jclarkmail@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Ooops. You are correct.
> > >
> > > That was on some of my FLORIDA charts!! And they
> did
> > > not have every airport,
> > > just the majors.
> > >
> > > I suspect the Department of Transportation has
> the
> > > data though. A lot of
> > > points though ... I think nxn/2
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck
> <ronschreck@windstream.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > Schreck <
> > > > ronschreck@windstream.net>
> > > >
> > > > James,
> > > >
> > > > I have the NC Aeronautical Chart and I don't
> see
> > > any distances listed. I
> > > > may put all of the airports on a flight
> planning
> > > program and start
> > > > connecting dots. Very unscientific, but I'm
> no
> > > rocket scientist.
> > > >
> > > > Smokey
> > > > >
> > > > > From: "James Clark" <jclarkmail@gmail.com>
> > > > > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 10:53:03 EDT
> > > > > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC
> Airports -
> > > 110 destinations
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron,
> > > > >
> > > > > I bet you didn't realize you were opening
> such a
> > > can of mathematical
> > > > worms
> > > > > did ya? :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > It is a simple to describe but tough to
> solve
> > > problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was doing some envelope scratching to see
> if I
> > > could come up with a
> > > > way to
> > > > > do it easily in Excel. (My head is hurting
> now.
> > > :-) )
> > > > >
> > > > > Ask your friends if they have an Excel
> solution
> > > that can handle a
> > > > 100x100
> > > > > matrix. I **think** there may be a way to
> get
> > > "solver" in Excel to do
> > > > such.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then the only "work to do is enter the
> distances
> > > from/to all of the
> > > > > airports. That data is typically o the backs
> of
> > > the state aeronautical
> > > > > charts as I recall.
> > > > >
> > > > > We just might have a "solution" be fore the
> day
> > > is over. :-) If so, I
> > > > plan
> > > > > to apply it to SC, which has <100 public
> > > airports.
> > > > >
> > > > > James
> > > > > p.s. Seems like there was an article about
> this
> > > where a guy in NJ did
> > > > this.
> > > > > There are fewer airports there and I think
> it
> > > was done in a day. The guy
> > > > may
> > > > > have been associated with Princeton. My mind
> is
> > > fuzzy right now.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck
> > > <ronschreck@windstream.net> wrote:
> > > > > >
> Ron
> > > Schreck <
> > > > > > ronschreck@windstream.net>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ed,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You're right! As the number reaches 12 or
> > > more the permutations get
> > > > into
> > > > > > the billions! There are some
> mathematicians
> > > who have made some
> > > > algorithms
> > > > > > that "approximate" the ideal solution with
> > > considerably less
> > > > > > computations. I'm no rocket scientist and
> I'm
> > > not going to the moon,
> > > > so
> > > > > > maybe an approximate solution would do.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Smokey
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: "Ed Anderson"
> > > <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> > > > > > > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 10:39:53 EDT
> > > > > > > To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC
> > > Airports - 110 destinations
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As I recall, it doesn't take very many
> nodes
> > > in the "traveling
> > > > Salesman"
> > > > > > problem for the possible permutations to
> > > quickly become large
> > > > enough to
> > > > > > take an excessive amount of time to solve
> on
> > > the computers of the day
> > > > (maybe
> > > > > > even the home computers of today).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: James Clark
> > > > > > > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:34 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC
> > > Airports - 110 destinations
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In Business School it is one of the
> > > "tough" problems you learn to
> > > > > > solve. Introduces you to linear algebra
> (as I
> > > seem to recall) and
> > > > stuff. On
> > > > > > the EE & CS side, it is linked more to
> > > electrical and computer
> > > > "nodes". The
>
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| Subject: | Re: NC Airports ---Virginia |
My brother has already done va and gotten his jacket.I might add it was
about a three months mission.
----- Original Message -----
From: "BOB martin" <libertyva@msn.com>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 10:01 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports ---Virginia
>
> Hey Guys,
> Larry Burruss and I are based in the heart of Va, Louisa (LKU) and Larry
> Bowen is right, we are working on visiting all the official State
> airports. Va is awarding a leather flight jacket to all that accomplish
> the goal. They provide a small book called a passport to us, the pilots,
> and each airport has a rubber stamp with there name on it. When you stop
> in, you get your passport book stamped and dated.
> There are smaller gifts along the way, light hats and such, but the
> leather jacket, will probably be the most expensive one in my closet, if I
> complete the circuit.
> The flying around is really a "some place to fly" thing for Larry and I.
> But we REALLY enjoy it. We have met some interesting people and at some
> airports, no one at all at others. At one....we had a phantom voice talk
> to us on the radio.....I believe from memory, it was Tazewell in SW VA,
> the runway was short and on top of a mountain and it barely fit in top. I
> commented to Larry while in downwind on the CTAF that it looked like an
> aircraft carrier! then the phantom voice came on and only said "it is!
> and be careful" was all he said. The gentleman on the ground didn't have
> a radio either!!
> but he did tell us they had 3 wind socks along the runway and they rarely
> agreed with each other.
> anyway, we have really enjoyed the planning and flying all over the state
> and we are only half done.
> I even take pictures of the airports and have a file in the computer on
> each airport, maybe when we are done, I can do a album of sorts, but
> probably will just stay on the computer, :-) ...too much flying to do....
> http://www.doav.virginia.gov/vaap.htm
> Regards, Bob Martin
> Proud member of the "Veggie Tale Squadron" :-)
>
>>From: "Larry Bowen" <Larry@bowenaero.com>
>>To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>>Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
>>Date: Sun, 17 Jun 2007 09:27:28 -0400
>>
>>I think VA has a program where they award pilots who have done this...a
>>plaque or something. I think some on the list were working on it. Not in
>>a
>>day tho, maybe a year instead....
>>
>
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| Subject: | Re: For those of you not going to Stormy's on the 30th |
MessageBill,
No debate, this is the plane for you...http://www.turbinetoucan.com/
Bret Smith
RV-9A "Fuselage"
Blue Ridge, GA
www.FlightInnovations.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Repucci
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:57 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: For those of you not going to Stormy's
on the 30th
Bret,
That hurt! Nora has been told in no uncertain terms, none of her
"stuff" is allowed in the basement. Damn, she has already taken over
the entire house and 1/2 the garage.
Besides, she has already told me I have to start on another project
once the -9 is finished so I stay out of her hair. The only problem is,
I'm not sure what the next plane will be. I want it to be an open
cockpit rag and tube thing but I'm not sure which one. Any suggestions?
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bret
Smith
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:39 PM
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: For those of you not going to Stormy's
on the 30th
Hey Bill,
It's about time you get that thing out of the basement! Now Nora can
remodel it for her scrapbook room....
Bret Smith
RV-9A (91314)
Mineral Bluff, GA
www.FlightInnovations.com
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From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Repucci
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 5:25 PM
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: For those of you not going to Stormy's
on the 30th
Let's see...
Move the airplane to the hangar or fly to Stormy's for a day of RV'ing
with link minded wing nuts.
Hummmm, tough question. However, after four plus years of building,
the pull to get the thing in the air wins out.
Besides, the 30th is my birthday and moving the thing to the airport
seems like a good gift.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill
Boyd
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 2:21 PM
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: For those of you not going to Stormy's
on the 30th
Find an empty back/right seat and join us, Bill :-)
-Stormy
Officially back home now, just returned the plane from LWB.
On 6/17/07, Bill Repucci <bill@repucci.com> wrote:
That looks like the day I "might" move my fuselage to Goose. Any of
you who will be in the Charlotte area that day are more than welcome to
lend a hand and a trailer.
Which brings up another issue. Do any of you have a trailer that I
might borrow to get this thing to the airport. I must be at least 17
feet long and a bit over 7 feet wide to fit my -9. Who would have
thought the thing was that long. This is probably the only time I wish
would have built a -9A and not a -9.
Have fun at Stormy's. Bummer I'm going to miss it but I think
Stormy will forgive me this time.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: NC Airports - 110 destinations |
Hey Ron, are you including turf rw's? I just updated
my remaining airports and have 19 left not counting a
bunch of turf including at least 2 of 1400'. most at
coast or W. mtns.
--- Ron Schreck <ronschreck@windstream.net> wrote:
> <ronschreck@windstream.net>
>
> Bill,
>
> The NC DOT Avaiation Division's "NC Airport Guide"
> lists 110 PUBLIC airports. They say there are about
> 300 private airports and heliports. I had to pick
> reasonable criteria. Can't imagine trying to get
> permission to land at hundreds of private airports
> and certainly not in one day!
>
> Smokey
> >
> > From: bill crothers <bill28104@yahoo.com>
> > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun PM 08:47:53 EDT
> > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports -
> 110 destinations
> >
> crothers <bill28104@yahoo.com>
> >
> > BTW guys, there are WAY more than 110 airports in
> NC..
> > I can show 20 near clt counting all the private
> ones,
> > many which I have visited. I bet its 200+. Reno.
> > --- James Clark <jclarkmail@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Ooops. You are correct.
> > >
> > > That was on some of my FLORIDA charts!! And they
> did
> > > not have every airport,
> > > just the majors.
> > >
> > > I suspect the Department of Transportation has
> the
> > > data though. A lot of
> > > points though ... I think nxn/2
> > >
> > > James
> > >
> > >
> > > On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck
> <ronschreck@windstream.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > Schreck <
> > > > ronschreck@windstream.net>
> > > >
> > > > James,
> > > >
> > > > I have the NC Aeronautical Chart and I don't
> see
> > > any distances listed. I
> > > > may put all of the airports on a flight
> planning
> > > program and start
> > > > connecting dots. Very unscientific, but I'm
> no
> > > rocket scientist.
> > > >
> > > > Smokey
> > > > >
> > > > > From: "James Clark" <jclarkmail@gmail.com>
> > > > > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 10:53:03 EDT
> > > > > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > > > > Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC
> Airports -
> > > 110 destinations
> > > > >
> > > > > Ron,
> > > > >
> > > > > I bet you didn't realize you were opening
> such a
> > > can of mathematical
> > > > worms
> > > > > did ya? :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > It is a simple to describe but tough to
> solve
> > > problem.
> > > > >
> > > > > I was doing some envelope scratching to see
> if I
> > > could come up with a
> > > > way to
> > > > > do it easily in Excel. (My head is hurting
> now.
> > > :-) )
> > > > >
> > > > > Ask your friends if they have an Excel
> solution
> > > that can handle a
> > > > 100x100
> > > > > matrix. I **think** there may be a way to
> get
> > > "solver" in Excel to do
> > > > such.
> > > > >
> > > > > Then the only "work to do is enter the
> distances
> > > from/to all of the
> > > > > airports. That data is typically o the backs
> of
> > > the state aeronautical
> > > > > charts as I recall.
> > > > >
> > > > > We just might have a "solution" be fore the
> day
> > > is over. :-) If so, I
> > > > plan
> > > > > to apply it to SC, which has <100 public
> > > airports.
> > > > >
> > > > > James
> > > > > p.s. Seems like there was an article about
> this
> > > where a guy in NJ did
> > > > this.
> > > > > There are fewer airports there and I think
> it
> > > was done in a day. The guy
> > > > may
> > > > > have been associated with Princeton. My mind
> is
> > > fuzzy right now.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck
> > > <ronschreck@windstream.net> wrote:
> > > > > >
> Ron
> > > Schreck <
> > > > > > ronschreck@windstream.net>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ed,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You're right! As the number reaches 12 or
> > > more the permutations get
> > > > into
> > > > > > the billions! There are some
> mathematicians
> > > who have made some
> > > > algorithms
> > > > > > that "approximate" the ideal solution with
> > > considerably less
> > > > > > computations. I'm no rocket scientist and
> I'm
> > > not going to the moon,
> > > > so
> > > > > > maybe an approximate solution would do.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Smokey
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > From: "Ed Anderson"
> > > <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> > > > > > > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 10:39:53 EDT
> > > > > > > To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC
> > > Airports - 110 destinations
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As I recall, it doesn't take very many
> nodes
> > > in the "traveling
> > > > Salesman"
> > > > > > problem for the possible permutations to
> > > quickly become large
> > > > enough to
> > > > > > take an excessive amount of time to solve
> on
> > > the computers of the day
> > > > (maybe
> > > > > > even the home computers of today).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: James Clark
> > > > > > > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:34 AM
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC
> > > Airports - 110 destinations
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > In Business School it is one of the
> > > "tough" problems you learn to
> > > > > > solve. Introduces you to linear algebra
> (as I
> > > seem to recall) and
> > > > stuff. On
> > > > > > the EE & CS side, it is linked more to
> > > electrical and computer
> > > > "nodes". The
>
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| Subject: | Re: NC Airports - 110 destinations |
Bill,
There are about 20 turf public airports in NC. Hope they mow them before I get
there!
Ron
>
> From: bill crothers <bill28104@yahoo.com>
> Date: 2007/06/18 Mon PM 08:13:05 EDT
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
>
>
> Hey Ron, are you including turf rw's? I just updated
> my remaining airports and have 19 left not counting a
> bunch of turf including at least 2 of 1400'. most at
> coast or W. mtns.
> --- Ron Schreck <ronschreck@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> > <ronschreck@windstream.net>
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > The NC DOT Avaiation Division's "NC Airport Guide"
> > lists 110 PUBLIC airports. They say there are about
> > 300 private airports and heliports. I had to pick
> > reasonable criteria. Can't imagine trying to get
> > permission to land at hundreds of private airports
> > and certainly not in one day!
> >
> > Smokey
> > >
> > > From: bill crothers <bill28104@yahoo.com>
> > > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun PM 08:47:53 EDT
> > > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports -
> > 110 destinations
> > >
> > crothers <bill28104@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > BTW guys, there are WAY more than 110 airports in
> > NC..
> > > I can show 20 near clt counting all the private
> > ones,
> > > many which I have visited. I bet its 200+. Reno.
> > > --- James Clark <jclarkmail@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ooops. You are correct.
> > > >
> > > > That was on some of my FLORIDA charts!! And they
> > did
> > > > not have every airport,
> > > > just the majors.
> > > >
> > > > I suspect the Department of Transportation has
> > the
> > > > data though. A lot of
> > > > points though ... I think nxn/2
> > > >
> > > > James
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck
> > <ronschreck@windstream.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > Schreck <
> > > > > ronschreck@windstream.net>
> > > > >
> > > > > James,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have the NC Aeronautical Chart and I don't
> > see
> > > > any distances listed. I
> > > > > may put all of the airports on a flight
> > planning
> > > > program and start
> > > > > connecting dots. Very unscientific, but I'm
> > no
> > > > rocket scientist.
> > > > >
> > > > > Smokey
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: "James Clark" <jclarkmail@gmail.com>
> > > > > > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 10:53:03 EDT
> > > > > > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC
> > Airports -
> > > > 110 destinations
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ron,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I bet you didn't realize you were opening
> > such a
> > > > can of mathematical
> > > > > worms
> > > > > > did ya? :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is a simple to describe but tough to
> > solve
> > > > problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was doing some envelope scratching to see
> > if I
> > > > could come up with a
> > > > > way to
> > > > > > do it easily in Excel. (My head is hurting
> > now.
> > > > :-) )
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ask your friends if they have an Excel
> > solution
> > > > that can handle a
> > > > > 100x100
> > > > > > matrix. I **think** there may be a way to
> > get
> > > > "solver" in Excel to do
> > > > > such.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Then the only "work to do is enter the
> > distances
> > > > from/to all of the
> > > > > > airports. That data is typically o the backs
> > of
> > > > the state aeronautical
> > > > > > charts as I recall.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We just might have a "solution" be fore the
> > day
> > > > is over. :-) If so, I
> > > > > plan
> > > > > > to apply it to SC, which has <100 public
> > > > airports.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > James
> > > > > > p.s. Seems like there was an article about
> > this
> > > > where a guy in NJ did
> > > > > this.
> > > > > > There are fewer airports there and I think
> > it
> > > > was done in a day. The guy
> > > > > may
> > > > > > have been associated with Princeton. My mind
> > is
> > > > fuzzy right now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck
> > > > <ronschreck@windstream.net> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > Ron
> > > > Schreck <
> > > > > > > ronschreck@windstream.net>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ed,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You're right! As the number reaches 12 or
> > > > more the permutations get
> > > > > into
> > > > > > > the billions! There are some
> > mathematicians
> > > > who have made some
> > > > > algorithms
> > > > > > > that "approximate" the ideal solution with
> > > > considerably less
> > > > > > > computations. I'm no rocket scientist and
> > I'm
> > > > not going to the moon,
> > > > > so
> > > > > > > maybe an approximate solution would do.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Smokey
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: "Ed Anderson"
> > > > <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> > > > > > > > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 10:39:53 EDT
> > > > > > > > To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC
> > > > Airports - 110 destinations
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As I recall, it doesn't take very many
> > nodes
> > > > in the "traveling
> > > > > Salesman"
> > > > > > > problem for the possible permutations to
> > > > quickly become large
> > > > > enough to
> > > > > > > take an excessive amount of time to solve
> > on
> > > > the computers of the day
> > > > > (maybe
> > > > > > > even the home computers of today).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: James Clark
> > > > > > > > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:34 AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC
> > > > Airports - 110 destinations
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In Business School it is one of the
> > > > "tough" problems you learn to
> > > > > > > solve. Introduces you to linear algebra
> > (as I
> > > > seem to recall) and
> > > > > stuff. On
> > > > > > > the EE & CS side, it is linked more to
> > > > electrical and computer
> > > > > "nodes". The
> >
> === message truncated ==
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: NC Airports - 110 destinations |
I'm thinking you should do this in Rhode Island. They must have, what,
like 4 airports in the entire state?
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Schreck
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2007 9:53 PM
Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
--> <ronschreck@windstream.net>
Bill,
There are about 20 turf public airports in NC. Hope they mow them
before I get there!
Ron
>
> From: bill crothers <bill28104@yahoo.com>
> Date: 2007/06/18 Mon PM 08:13:05 EDT
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports - 110 destinations
>
> --> <bill28104@yahoo.com>
>
> Hey Ron, are you including turf rw's? I just updated
> my remaining airports and have 19 left not counting a
> bunch of turf including at least 2 of 1400'. most at
> coast or W. mtns.
> --- Ron Schreck <ronschreck@windstream.net> wrote:
>
> > <ronschreck@windstream.net>
> >
> > Bill,
> >
> > The NC DOT Avaiation Division's "NC Airport Guide"
> > lists 110 PUBLIC airports. They say there are about
> > 300 private airports and heliports. I had to pick reasonable
> > criteria. Can't imagine trying to get permission to land at
> > hundreds of private airports and certainly not in one day!
> >
> > Smokey
> > >
> > > From: bill crothers <bill28104@yahoo.com>
> > > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun PM 08:47:53 EDT
> > > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > > Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC Airports -
> > 110 destinations
> > >
> > crothers <bill28104@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > > BTW guys, there are WAY more than 110 airports in
> > NC..
> > > I can show 20 near clt counting all the private
> > ones,
> > > many which I have visited. I bet its 200+. Reno.
> > > --- James Clark <jclarkmail@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Ooops. You are correct.
> > > >
> > > > That was on some of my FLORIDA charts!! And they
> > did
> > > > not have every airport,
> > > > just the majors.
> > > >
> > > > I suspect the Department of Transportation has
> > the
> > > > data though. A lot of
> > > > points though ... I think nxn/2
> > > >
> > > > James
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck
> > <ronschreck@windstream.net>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > Schreck <
> > > > > ronschreck@windstream.net>
> > > > >
> > > > > James,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have the NC Aeronautical Chart and I don't
> > see
> > > > any distances listed. I
> > > > > may put all of the airports on a flight
> > planning
> > > > program and start
> > > > > connecting dots. Very unscientific, but I'm
> > no
> > > > rocket scientist.
> > > > >
> > > > > Smokey
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From: "James Clark" <jclarkmail@gmail.com>
> > > > > > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 10:53:03 EDT
> > > > > > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC
> > Airports -
> > > > 110 destinations
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ron,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I bet you didn't realize you were opening
> > such a
> > > > can of mathematical
> > > > > worms
> > > > > > did ya? :-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is a simple to describe but tough to
> > solve
> > > > problem.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I was doing some envelope scratching to see
> > if I
> > > > could come up with a
> > > > > way to
> > > > > > do it easily in Excel. (My head is hurting
> > now.
> > > > :-) )
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ask your friends if they have an Excel
> > solution
> > > > that can handle a
> > > > > 100x100
> > > > > > matrix. I **think** there may be a way to
> > get
> > > > "solver" in Excel to do
> > > > > such.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Then the only "work to do is enter the
> > distances
> > > > from/to all of the
> > > > > > airports. That data is typically o the backs
> > of
> > > > the state aeronautical
> > > > > > charts as I recall.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > We just might have a "solution" be fore the
> > day
> > > > is over. :-) If so, I
> > > > > plan
> > > > > > to apply it to SC, which has <100 public
> > > > airports.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > James
> > > > > > p.s. Seems like there was an article about
> > this
> > > > where a guy in NJ did
> > > > > this.
> > > > > > There are fewer airports there and I think
> > it
> > > > was done in a day. The guy
> > > > > may
> > > > > > have been associated with Princeton. My mind
> > is
> > > > fuzzy right now.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 6/17/07, Ron Schreck
> > > > <ronschreck@windstream.net> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > Ron
> > > > Schreck <
> > > > > > > ronschreck@windstream.net>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Ed,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You're right! As the number reaches 12 or
> > > > more the permutations get
> > > > > into
> > > > > > > the billions! There are some
> > mathematicians
> > > > who have made some
> > > > > algorithms
> > > > > > > that "approximate" the ideal solution with
> > > > considerably less
> > > > > > > computations. I'm no rocket scientist and
> > I'm
> > > > not going to the moon,
> > > > > so
> > > > > > > maybe an approximate solution would do.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Smokey
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > From: "Ed Anderson"
> > > > <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> > > > > > > > Date: 2007/06/17 Sun AM 10:39:53 EDT
> > > > > > > > To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC
> > > > Airports - 110 destinations
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As I recall, it doesn't take very many
> > nodes
> > > > in the "traveling
> > > > > Salesman"
> > > > > > > problem for the possible permutations to
> > > > quickly become large
> > > > > enough to
> > > > > > > take an excessive amount of time to solve
> > on
> > > > the computers of the day
> > > > > (maybe
> > > > > > > even the home computers of today).
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Ed
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > From: James Clark
> > > > > > > > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > > > > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 9:34 AM
> > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Re: RVSouthEast-List: NC
> > > > Airports - 110 destinations
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > In Business School it is one of the
> > > > "tough" problems you learn to
> > > > > > > solve. Introduces you to linear algebra
> > (as I
> > > > seem to recall) and
> > > > > stuff. On
> > > > > > > the EE & CS side, it is linked more to
> > > > electrical and computer
> > > > > "nodes". The
> >
> === message truncated ==
>
>
>
> Park yourself in front of a world of choices in alternative vehicles.
> Visit the Yahoo! Auto Green Center.
> http://autos.yahoo.com/green_center/
>
>
>
>
>
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I've added the article that was in the Cody Enterprise newspaper to my site
entry on the Yellowstone trip. If nothing else it'll make ya grin!
http://bowenaero.com/mt3/2007/06/yellowstone_200.html
Scroll down, click to enlarge if needed.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
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| Subject: | Re: Cody Article |
Given the short timeframe and circumstances under which she did this, I
think she did a good job. A lot was thrown at her in a VERY short timeframe.
Thanks are in order for our "Publicist". :-) <She knows who she is.>
James
On 6/18/07, Larry Bowen <Larry@bowenaero.com> wrote:
>
> I've added the article that was in the Cody Enterprise newspaper to my
> site entry on the Yellowstone trip. If nothing else it'll make ya grin!
>
> http://bowenaero.com/mt3/2007/06/yellowstone_200.html
>
> Scroll down, click to enlarge if needed.
>
> --
> Larry Bowen
> Larry@BowenAero.com
> http://BowenAero.com
>
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>
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