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1. 04:54 AM - Re: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?) (bburril)
2. 07:42 AM - Re: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?) (Dale Walter)
3. 08:29 AM - Re: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?) (Robbie Walker)
4. 08:42 AM - Re: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?) (Ed Anderson)
5. 11:38 AM - Re: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?) (Robbie Walker)
6. 11:43 AM - Re: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?) (Dale Walter)
7. 12:07 PM - Insurance Advice [was Re: Boeing Crosswind Movie] (Robbie Walker)
8. 02:46 PM - Re: Insurance Advice [was Re: Boeing Crosswind Movie] (Steve Glasgow)
9. 03:39 PM - Re: Insurance Advice [was Re: Boeing Crosswind Movie] (Larry Bowen)
10. 03:52 PM - Re: Insurance Advice [was Re: Boeing Crosswind Movie] (Paul D. Franzon)
11. 04:42 PM - Re: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?) (Ed Anderson)
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| Subject: | Re: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?) |
That's some good clips,but if you will notice the nose wheel is not on the
ground till the airplane is stable.So i'm thinking that it does not matter a
hold lot.This is just one tailwheel pilot opinion (rv 6).
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robbie Walker" <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
Sent: Tuesday, September 11, 2007 11:33 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in
Portuguese?)
> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>
> This may be old hat to some of y'all, but I found it quite interesting.
> Definitely making me re-open the conventional vs. tricycle debate with
> myself.
>
> http://www.motionbox.com/video/player/a09addb11a1e28#1
>
> Robbie Walker
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?) |
Nice video Robbie, thanks for sharing. Here is one from yesterday in our
RV6a with a 2 turn spin, instrument panel is included:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0ujjspDGXM
This is dedicated to Bert M in Orlando, who inspired me. Do not archive
Happy landings,
Dale
RV6a 920 hrs, large rudder
<robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
This may be old hat to some of y'all, but I found it quite
interesting. Definitely making me re-open the conventional vs.
tricycle debate with myself.
http://www.motionbox.com/video/player/a09addb11a1e28#1
Robbie Walker
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| Subject: | Re: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?) |
Sweet... love the Boston at the beginning.
I'm still at the "mental" stage of things, so my decisions seem to
vacillate.
I was leaning towards a 7 for my wife... but she really doesn't like
to fly at all so I'm back to leaning towards the 8.
I was leaning towards tricycle but now I'm at conventional.
I guess I need to finish getting my garage cleaned out now that we
moved in last week and get the empennage ordered.
Robbie Walker
On Sep 12, 2007, at 10:41 AM, Dale Walter wrote:
> <dale1rv6@comcast.net>
>
> Nice video Robbie, thanks for sharing. Here is one from yesterday
> in our
> RV6a with a 2 turn spin, instrument panel is included:
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0ujjspDGXM
>
>
> This is dedicated to Bert M in Orlando, who inspired me. Do not
> archive
>
> Happy landings,
> Dale
> RV6a 920 hrs, large rudder
>
>
> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>
> This may be old hat to some of y'all, but I found it quite
> interesting. Definitely making me re-open the conventional vs.
> tricycle debate with myself.
>
> http://www.motionbox.com/video/player/a09addb11a1e28#1
>
> Robbie Walker
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?) |
Robbie, like most decisions, there are pros and cons. I have flown both
taildraggers and nose gear in and out of grass and paved strips. In my
advancing years, I find a nose wheel lessens apprehension in coping with
adverse wind conditions on landing. I found on one emergency aborted
takeoff (got airborne and put it back down on a 2200 foot strip) that the
nose wheel enabled me to apply maximum braking (left rubber for 300 ft - no
lock up, just a good grip) which in a tail dragger would have end up on its
nose (or back). On the other hand, as several recent incidents have shown
landing an Rv- on its nose gear can result on your back as well. The bottom
line is neither is going to save you from a really screwed up landing - so
don't make one {:>).
Getting viewpoints on each is good approach, but ultimately you need to go
with what You want and feel comfortable with - regardless of other
viewpoints on your choice. If you have not yet, try to get a ride in an RV
both with and without nose gear and see if one appeals to you more than the
other - because when its said and done, appeal is going to be a large driver
in your decision.
Good luck
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robbie Walker" <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in
Portuguese?)
> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>
> Sweet... love the Boston at the beginning.
> I'm still at the "mental" stage of things, so my decisions seem to
> vacillate.
> I was leaning towards a 7 for my wife... but she really doesn't like to
> fly at all so I'm back to leaning towards the 8.
> I was leaning towards tricycle but now I'm at conventional.
>
> I guess I need to finish getting my garage cleaned out now that we moved
> in last week and get the empennage ordered.
>
> Robbie Walker
>
> On Sep 12, 2007, at 10:41 AM, Dale Walter wrote:
>
>> <dale1rv6@comcast.net>
>>
>> Nice video Robbie, thanks for sharing. Here is one from yesterday in our
>> RV6a with a 2 turn spin, instrument panel is included:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0ujjspDGXM
>>
>>
>> This is dedicated to Bert M in Orlando, who inspired me. Do not archive
>>
>> Happy landings,
>> Dale
>> RV6a 920 hrs, large rudder
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>>
>> This may be old hat to some of y'all, but I found it quite
>> interesting. Definitely making me re-open the conventional vs.
>> tricycle debate with myself.
>>
>> http://www.motionbox.com/video/player/a09addb11a1e28#1
>>
>> Robbie Walker
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?) |
Ed,
Thanks for both the excellent advice and the relevant anecdotes. Now
I have a headache! <grin>
But seriously, that's exactly the sort of thing I'm struggling with.
On one hand, I like the looks of the conventional gear and it's my
understanding (having NEVER flown in or landed one...) that they are
better on grass, worse on pavement. I've also been told that if you
really know what you are doing, they are no harder to land. But I've
also seen incident reports where many much more experienced pilots
than myself ground-looping them or worse. Not that the tricycle are
immune to landing issues... what plane is?
Also, for everyone else, I'm NOT trying to get this debate started up
again, I'm just thinking out loud.
Do Not Archive
Robbie Walker
On Sep 12, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Ed Anderson wrote:
> <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>
> Robbie, like most decisions, there are pros and cons. I have flown
> both taildraggers and nose gear in and out of grass and paved
> strips. In my advancing years, I find a nose wheel lessens
> apprehension in coping with adverse wind conditions on landing.
> I found on one emergency aborted takeoff (got airborne and put it
> back down on a 2200 foot strip) that the nose wheel enabled me to
> apply maximum braking (left rubber for 300 ft - no lock up, just a
> good grip) which in a tail dragger would have end up on its nose
> (or back). On the other hand, as several recent incidents have
> shown landing an Rv- on its nose gear can result on your back as
> well. The bottom line is neither is going to save you from a
> really screwed up landing - so don't make one {:>).
>
> Getting viewpoints on each is good approach, but ultimately you
> need to go with what You want and feel comfortable with -
> regardless of other viewpoints on your choice. If you have not
> yet, try to get a ride in an RV both with and without nose gear and
> see if one appeals to you more than the other - because when its
> said and done, appeal is going to be a large driver in your decision.
>
> Good luck
>
> Ed
>
> Ed Anderson
> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> Matthews, NC
> eanderson@carolina.rr.com
> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robbie Walker"
> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
> To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 11:29 AM
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text
> in Portuguese?)
>
>
>> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>>
>> Sweet... love the Boston at the beginning.
>> I'm still at the "mental" stage of things, so my decisions seem to
>> vacillate.
>> I was leaning towards a 7 for my wife... but she really doesn't
>> like to fly at all so I'm back to leaning towards the 8.
>> I was leaning towards tricycle but now I'm at conventional.
>>
>> I guess I need to finish getting my garage cleaned out now that
>> we moved in last week and get the empennage ordered.
>>
>> Robbie Walker
>>
>> On Sep 12, 2007, at 10:41 AM, Dale Walter wrote:
>>
>>> <dale1rv6@comcast.net>
>>>
>>> Nice video Robbie, thanks for sharing. Here is one from
>>> yesterday in our
>>> RV6a with a 2 turn spin, instrument panel is included:
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0ujjspDGXM
>>>
>>>
>>> This is dedicated to Bert M in Orlando, who inspired me. Do not
>>> archive
>>>
>>> Happy landings,
>>> Dale
>>> RV6a 920 hrs, large rudder
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>>>
>>> This may be old hat to some of y'all, but I found it quite
>>> interesting. Definitely making me re-open the conventional vs.
>>> tricycle debate with myself.
>>>
>>> http://www.motionbox.com/video/player/a09addb11a1e28#1
>>>
>>> Robbie Walker
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?) |
Insurance can be $800 or more higher for the tailwheel. Get a quote before
you build.
Dale
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robbie
Walker
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in
Portuguese?)
<robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
Ed,
Thanks for both the excellent advice and the relevant anecdotes. Now
I have a headache! <grin>
But seriously, that's exactly the sort of thing I'm struggling with.
On one hand, I like the looks of the conventional gear and it's my
understanding (having NEVER flown in or landed one...) that they are
better on grass, worse on pavement. I've also been told that if you
really know what you are doing, they are no harder to land. But I've
also seen incident reports where many much more experienced pilots
than myself ground-looping them or worse. Not that the tricycle are
immune to landing issues... what plane is?
Also, for everyone else, I'm NOT trying to get this debate started up
again, I'm just thinking out loud.
Do Not Archive
Robbie Walker
On Sep 12, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Ed Anderson wrote:
> <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>
> Robbie, like most decisions, there are pros and cons. I have flown
> both taildraggers and nose gear in and out of grass and paved
> strips. In my advancing years, I find a nose wheel lessens
> apprehension in coping with adverse wind conditions on landing.
> I found on one emergency aborted takeoff (got airborne and put it
> back down on a 2200 foot strip) that the nose wheel enabled me to
> apply maximum braking (left rubber for 300 ft - no lock up, just a
> good grip) which in a tail dragger would have end up on its nose
> (or back). On the other hand, as several recent incidents have
> shown landing an Rv- on its nose gear can result on your back as
> well. The bottom line is neither is going to save you from a
> really screwed up landing - so don't make one {:>).
>
> Getting viewpoints on each is good approach, but ultimately you
> need to go with what You want and feel comfortable with -
> regardless of other viewpoints on your choice. If you have not
> yet, try to get a ride in an RV both with and without nose gear and
> see if one appeals to you more than the other - because when its
> said and done, appeal is going to be a large driver in your decision.
>
> Good luck
>
> Ed
>
> Ed Anderson
> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> Matthews, NC
> eanderson@carolina.rr.com
> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robbie Walker"
> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
> To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 11:29 AM
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text
> in Portuguese?)
>
>
>> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>>
>> Sweet... love the Boston at the beginning.
>> I'm still at the "mental" stage of things, so my decisions seem to
>> vacillate.
>> I was leaning towards a 7 for my wife... but she really doesn't
>> like to fly at all so I'm back to leaning towards the 8.
>> I was leaning towards tricycle but now I'm at conventional.
>>
>> I guess I need to finish getting my garage cleaned out now that
>> we moved in last week and get the empennage ordered.
>>
>> Robbie Walker
>>
>> On Sep 12, 2007, at 10:41 AM, Dale Walter wrote:
>>
>>> <dale1rv6@comcast.net>
>>>
>>> Nice video Robbie, thanks for sharing. Here is one from
>>> yesterday in our
>>> RV6a with a 2 turn spin, instrument panel is included:
>>>
>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0ujjspDGXM
>>>
>>>
>>> This is dedicated to Bert M in Orlando, who inspired me. Do not
>>> archive
>>>
>>> Happy landings,
>>> Dale
>>> RV6a 920 hrs, large rudder
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>>>
>>> This may be old hat to some of y'all, but I found it quite
>>> interesting. Definitely making me re-open the conventional vs.
>>> tricycle debate with myself.
>>>
>>> http://www.motionbox.com/video/player/a09addb11a1e28#1
>>>
>>> Robbie Walker
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Insurance Advice [was re: Boeing Crosswind Movie] |
That training wheel up front is looking better and better.... <grin>
Thanks for the heads up.
Any insurance advice from anyone?
Do Not Archive
Robbie Walker
On Sep 12, 2007, at 2:43 PM, Dale Walter wrote:
> <dale1rv6@comcast.net>
>
> Insurance can be $800 or more higher for the tailwheel. Get a quote
> before
> you build.
> Dale
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Robbie
> Walker
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:38 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in
> Portuguese?)
>
> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>
> Ed,
>
> Thanks for both the excellent advice and the relevant anecdotes. Now
> I have a headache! <grin>
>
> But seriously, that's exactly the sort of thing I'm struggling with.
> On one hand, I like the looks of the conventional gear and it's my
> understanding (having NEVER flown in or landed one...) that they are
> better on grass, worse on pavement. I've also been told that if you
> really know what you are doing, they are no harder to land. But I've
> also seen incident reports where many much more experienced pilots
> than myself ground-looping them or worse. Not that the tricycle are
> immune to landing issues... what plane is?
>
> Also, for everyone else, I'm NOT trying to get this debate started up
> again, I'm just thinking out loud.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> Robbie Walker
>
> On Sep 12, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Ed Anderson wrote:
>
>> <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>>
>> Robbie, like most decisions, there are pros and cons. I have flown
>> both taildraggers and nose gear in and out of grass and paved
>> strips. In my advancing years, I find a nose wheel lessens
>> apprehension in coping with adverse wind conditions on landing.
>> I found on one emergency aborted takeoff (got airborne and put it
>> back down on a 2200 foot strip) that the nose wheel enabled me to
>> apply maximum braking (left rubber for 300 ft - no lock up, just a
>> good grip) which in a tail dragger would have end up on its nose
>> (or back). On the other hand, as several recent incidents have
>> shown landing an Rv- on its nose gear can result on your back as
>> well. The bottom line is neither is going to save you from a
>> really screwed up landing - so don't make one {:>).
>>
>> Getting viewpoints on each is good approach, but ultimately you
>> need to go with what You want and feel comfortable with -
>> regardless of other viewpoints on your choice. If you have not
>> yet, try to get a ride in an RV both with and without nose gear and
>> see if one appeals to you more than the other - because when its
>> said and done, appeal is going to be a large driver in your decision.
>>
>> Good luck
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> Ed Anderson
>> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
>> Matthews, NC
>> eanderson@carolina.rr.com
>> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
>> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robbie Walker"
>> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>> To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 11:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text
>> in Portuguese?)
>>
>>
>>> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>>>
>>> Sweet... love the Boston at the beginning.
>>> I'm still at the "mental" stage of things, so my decisions seem to
>>> vacillate.
>>> I was leaning towards a 7 for my wife... but she really doesn't
>>> like to fly at all so I'm back to leaning towards the 8.
>>> I was leaning towards tricycle but now I'm at conventional.
>>>
>>> I guess I need to finish getting my garage cleaned out now that
>>> we moved in last week and get the empennage ordered.
>>>
>>> Robbie Walker
>>>
>>> On Sep 12, 2007, at 10:41 AM, Dale Walter wrote:
>>>
>>>> <dale1rv6@comcast.net>
>>>>
>>>> Nice video Robbie, thanks for sharing. Here is one from
>>>> yesterday in our
>>>> RV6a with a 2 turn spin, instrument panel is included:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0ujjspDGXM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is dedicated to Bert M in Orlando, who inspired me. Do not
>>>> archive
>>>>
>>>> Happy landings,
>>>> Dale
>>>> RV6a 920 hrs, large rudder
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>>>>
>>>> This may be old hat to some of y'all, but I found it quite
>>>> interesting. Definitely making me re-open the conventional vs.
>>>> tricycle debate with myself.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.motionbox.com/video/player/a09addb11a1e28#1
>>>>
>>>> Robbie Walker
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance Advice [was re: Boeing Crosswind Movie] |
Robbie the video has no relativity to an RV. In the case of large
aircraft the mass is the difference and landing them is really mass
management. There have been as many landing incidents in the A models
as the Tail Wheel models. So in my mind it is a toss up.
Get what look cool to you.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Robbie Walker
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 3:07 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Insurance Advice [was re: Boeing Crosswind
Movie]
<robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
That training wheel up front is looking better and better.... <grin>
Thanks for the heads up.
Any insurance advice from anyone?
Do Not Archive
Robbie Walker
On Sep 12, 2007, at 2:43 PM, Dale Walter wrote:
> <dale1rv6@comcast.net>
>
> Insurance can be $800 or more higher for the tailwheel. Get a quote
> before
> you build.
> Dale
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Robbie
> Walker
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:38 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text
in
> Portuguese?)
>
> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>
> Ed,
>
> Thanks for both the excellent advice and the relevant anecdotes. Now
> I have a headache! <grin>
>
> But seriously, that's exactly the sort of thing I'm struggling with.
> On one hand, I like the looks of the conventional gear and it's my
> understanding (having NEVER flown in or landed one...) that they are
> better on grass, worse on pavement. I've also been told that if you
> really know what you are doing, they are no harder to land. But I've
> also seen incident reports where many much more experienced pilots
> than myself ground-looping them or worse. Not that the tricycle are
> immune to landing issues... what plane is?
>
> Also, for everyone else, I'm NOT trying to get this debate started
up
> again, I'm just thinking out loud.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> Robbie Walker
>
> On Sep 12, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Ed Anderson wrote:
>
>> <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>>
>> Robbie, like most decisions, there are pros and cons. I have flown
>> both taildraggers and nose gear in and out of grass and paved
>> strips. In my advancing years, I find a nose wheel lessens
>> apprehension in coping with adverse wind conditions on landing.
>> I found on one emergency aborted takeoff (got airborne and put it
>> back down on a 2200 foot strip) that the nose wheel enabled me to
>> apply maximum braking (left rubber for 300 ft - no lock up, just a
>> good grip) which in a tail dragger would have end up on its nose
>> (or back). On the other hand, as several recent incidents have
>> shown landing an Rv- on its nose gear can result on your back as
>> well. The bottom line is neither is going to save you from a
>> really screwed up landing - so don't make one {:>).
>>
>> Getting viewpoints on each is good approach, but ultimately you
>> need to go with what You want and feel comfortable with -
>> regardless of other viewpoints on your choice. If you have not
>> yet, try to get a ride in an RV both with and without nose gear and
>> see if one appeals to you more than the other - because when its
>> said and done, appeal is going to be a large driver in your
decision.
>>
>> Good luck
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> Ed Anderson
>> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
>> Matthews, NC
>> eanderson@carolina.rr.com
>> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
>> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robbie Walker"
>> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>> To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 11:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text
>> in Portuguese?)
>>
>>
>>> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>>>
>>> Sweet... love the Boston at the beginning.
>>> I'm still at the "mental" stage of things, so my decisions seem to
>>> vacillate.
>>> I was leaning towards a 7 for my wife... but she really doesn't
>>> like to fly at all so I'm back to leaning towards the 8.
>>> I was leaning towards tricycle but now I'm at conventional.
>>>
>>> I guess I need to finish getting my garage cleaned out now that
>>> we moved in last week and get the empennage ordered.
>>>
>>> Robbie Walker
>>>
>>> On Sep 12, 2007, at 10:41 AM, Dale Walter wrote:
>>>
>>>> <dale1rv6@comcast.net>
>>>>
>>>> Nice video Robbie, thanks for sharing. Here is one from
>>>> yesterday in our
>>>> RV6a with a 2 turn spin, instrument panel is included:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0ujjspDGXM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is dedicated to Bert M in Orlando, who inspired me. Do not
>>>> archive
>>>>
>>>> Happy landings,
>>>> Dale
>>>> RV6a 920 hrs, large rudder
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>>>>
>>>> This may be old hat to some of y'all, but I found it quite
>>>> interesting. Definitely making me re-open the conventional vs.
>>>> tricycle debate with myself.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.motionbox.com/video/player/a09addb11a1e28#1
>>>>
>>>> Robbie Walker
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance Advice [was re: Boeing Crosswind Movie] |
Getting 5 hours of TW instruction will help you decide either way. I have
no regrets with my TW.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Robbie Walker <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
> *To:* rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, September 12, 2007 3:07 PM
> *Subject:* RVSouthEast-List: Insurance Advice [was re: Boeing Crosswind
> Movie]
>
> robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>
> That training wheel up front is looking better and better.... <grin>
> Thanks for the heads up.
>
> Any insurance advice from anyone?
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> Robbie Walker
>
> On Sep 12, 2007, at 2:43 PM, Dale Walter wrote:
>
> > <dale1rv6@comcast.net>
> >
> > Insurance can be $800 or more higher for the tailwheel. Get a quote
> > before
> > you build.
> > Dale
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
> > [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> > Robbie
> > Walker
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:38 PM
> > To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> > Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in
> > Portuguese?)
> >
> > <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
> >
> > Ed,
> >
> > Thanks for both the excellent advice and the relevant anecdotes. Now
> > I have a headache! <grin>
> >
> > But seriously, that's exactly the sort of thing I'm struggling with.
> > On one hand, I like the looks of the conventional gear and it's my
> > understanding (having NEVER flown in or landed one...) that they are
> > better on grass, worse on pavement. I've also been told that if you
> > really know what you are doing, they are no harder to land. But I've
> > also seen incident reports where many much more experienced pilots
> > than myself ground-looping them or worse. Not that the tricycle are
> > immune to landing issues... what plane is?
> >
> > Also, for everyone else, I'm NOT trying to get this debate started up
> > again, I'm just thinking out loud.
> >
> > Do Not Archive
> >
> > Robbie Walker
> >
> > On Sep 12, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Ed Anderson wrote:
> >
> >> <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
> >>
> >> Robbie, like most decisions, there are pros and cons. I have flown
> >> both taildraggers and nose gear in and out of grass and paved
> >> strips. In my advancing years, I find a nose wheel lessens
> >> apprehension in coping with adverse wind conditions on landing.
> >> I found on one emergency aborted takeoff (got airborne and put it
> >> back down on a 2200 foot strip) that the nose wheel enabled me to
> >> apply maximum braking (left rubber for 300 ft - no lock up, just a
> >> good grip) which in a tail dragger would have end up on its nose
> >> (or back). On the other hand, as several recent incidents have
> >> shown landing an Rv- on its nose gear can result on your back as
> >> well. The bottom line is neither is going to save you from a
> >> really screwed up landing - so don't make one {:>).
> >>
> >> Getting viewpoints on each is good approach, but ultimately you
> >> need to go with what You want and feel comfortable with -
> >> regardless of other viewpoints on your choice. If you have not
> >> yet, try to get a ride in an RV both with and without nose gear and
> >> see if one appeals to you more than the other - because when its
> >> said and done, appeal is going to be a large driver in your decision.
> >>
> >> Good luck
> >>
> >> Ed
> >>
> >> Ed Anderson
> >> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
> >> Matthews, NC
> >> eanderson@carolina.rr.com
> >> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
> >> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robbie Walker"
> >> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
> >> To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 11:29 AM
> >> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text
> >> in Portuguese?)
> >>
> >>
> >>> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
> >>>
> >>> Sweet... love the Boston at the beginning.
> >>> I'm still at the "mental" stage of things, so my decisions seem to
> >>> vacillate.
> >>> I was leaning towards a 7 for my wife... but she really doesn't
> >>> like to fly at all so I'm back to leaning towards the 8.
> >>> I was leaning towards tricycle but now I'm at conventional.
> >>>
> >>> I guess I need to finish getting my garage cleaned out now that
> >>> we moved in last week and get the empennage ordered.
> >>>
> >>> Robbie Walker
> >>>
> >>> On Sep 12, 2007, at 10:41 AM, Dale Walter wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> <dale1rv6@comcast.net>
> >>>>
> >>>> Nice video Robbie, thanks for sharing. Here is one from
> >>>> yesterday in our
> >>>> RV6a with a 2 turn spin, instrument panel is included:
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0ujjspDGXM
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> This is dedicated to Bert M in Orlando, who inspired me. Do not
> >>>> archive
> >>>>
> >>>> Happy landings,
> >>>> Dale
> >>>> RV6a 920 hrs, large rudder
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
> >>>>
> >>>> This may be old hat to some of y'all, but I found it quite
> >>>> interesting. Definitely making me re-open the conventional vs.
> >>>> tricycle debate with myself.
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.motionbox.com/video/player/a09addb11a1e28#1
> >>>>
> >>>> Robbie Walker
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Insurance Advice [was re: Boeing Crosswind Movie] |
I have never directly compared quotes, but I suspect the insurance
difference for a tailwheel would go down with experience.
If I were building, it would be an RV-8 with a tail-wheel. You chose an RV,
in part, because they are fun to fly. Tandem seating and a tailwheel both
increase the fun factor. It also looks cooler on the ground. Visit any
gaggle of RVs receiving visitors. It's the tailwheel 8's and 4's that get
most of the attention from non-RVators.
Do not archive
Paul D. Franzon
RV-4
_____
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
Bowen
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 6:39 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Insurance Advice [was re: Boeing Crosswind
Movie]
Getting 5 hours of TW instruction will help you decide either way. I have
no regrets with my TW.
--
Larry Bowen
Larry@BowenAero.com
http://BowenAero.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Robbie Walker <mailto:robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 3:07 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Insurance Advice [was re: Boeing Crosswind Movie]
<robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
That training wheel up front is looking better and better.... <grin>
Thanks for the heads up.
Any insurance advice from anyone?
Do Not Archive
Robbie Walker
On Sep 12, 2007, at 2:43 PM, Dale Walter wrote:
> <dale1rv6@comcast.net>
>
> Insurance can be $800 or more higher for the tailwheel. Get a quote
> before
> you build.
> Dale
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Robbie
> Walker
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:38 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in
> Portuguese?)
>
> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>
> Ed,
>
> Thanks for both the excellent advice and the relevant anecdotes. Now
> I have a headache! <grin>
>
> But seriously, that's exactly the sort of thing I'm struggling with.
> On one hand, I like the looks of the conventional gear and it's my
> understanding (having NEVER flown in or landed one...) that they are
> better on grass, worse on pavement. I've also been told that if you
> really know what you are doing, they are no harder to land. But I've
> also seen incident reports where many much more experienced pilots
> than myself ground-looping them or worse. Not that the tricycle are
> immune to landing issues... what plane is?
>
> Also, for everyone else, I'm NOT trying to get this debate started up
> again, I'm just thinking out loud.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> Robbie Walker
>
> On Sep 12, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Ed Anderson wrote:
>
>> <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>>
>> Robbie, like most decisions, there are pros and cons. I have flown
>> both taildraggers and nose gear in and out of grass and paved
>> strips. In my advancing years, I find a nose wheel lessens
>> apprehension in coping with adverse wind conditions on landing.
>> I found on one emergency aborted takeoff (got airborne and put it
>> back down on a 2200 foot strip) that the nose wheel enabled me to
>> apply maximum braking (left rubber for 300 ft - no lock up, just a
>> good grip) which in a tail dragger would have end up on its nose
>> (or back). On the other hand, as several recent incidents have
>> shown landing an Rv- on its nose gear can result on your back as
>> well. The bottom line is neither is going to save you from a
>> really screwed up landing - so don't make one {:>).
>>
>> Getting viewpoints on each is good approach, but ultimately you
>> need to go with what You want and feel comfortable with -
>> regardless of other viewpoints on your choice. If you have not
>> yet, try to get a ride in an RV both with and without nose gear and
>> see if one appeals to you more than the other - because when its
>> said and done, appeal is going to be a large driver in your decision.
>>
>> Good luck
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> Ed Anderson
>> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
>> Matthews, NC
>> eanderson@carolina.rr.com
>> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
>> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robbie Walker"
>> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>> To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 11:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text
>> in Portuguese?)
>>
>>
>>> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>>>
>>> Sweet... love the Boston at the beginning.
>>> I'm still at the "mental" stage of things, so my decisions seem to
>>> vacillate.
>>> I was leaning towards a 7 for my wife... but she really doesn't
>>> like to fly at all so I'm back to leaning towards the 8.
>>> I was leaning towards tricycle but now I'm at conventional.
>>>
>>> I guess I need to finish getting my garage cleaned out now that
>>> we moved in last week and get the empennage ordered.
>>>
>>> Robbie Walker
>>>
>>> On Sep 12, 2007, at 10:41 AM, Dale Walter wrote:
>>>
>>>> <dale1rv6@comcast.net>
>>>>
>>>> Nice video Robbie, thanks for sharing. Here is one from
>>>> yesterday in our
>>>> RV6a with a 2 turn spin, instrument panel is included:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0ujjspDGXM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is dedicated to Bert M in Orlando, who inspired me. Do not
>>>> archive
>>>>
>>>> Happy landings,
>>>> Dale
>>>> RV6a 920 hrs, large rudder
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>>>>
>>>> This may be old hat to some of y'all, but I found it quite
>>>> interesting. Definitely making me re-open the conventional vs.
>>>> tricycle debate with myself.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.motionbox.com/video/player/a09addb11a1e28#1
>>>>
>>>> Robbie Walker
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?) |
Ah, but the joy of having to decide between one or the other {:>). As you
pointed out, none are immune from mishaps. I do agree that an experienced
tail dragger pilot will seldom have problems - but, I will maintain that a
nose wheel aircraft can be more "forgiving" (in most, but not all,
circumstances) to a less than experienced pilot and I think Dale's comments
about the insurance rate difference adds some credibility to my statement.
But, regardless, you will love the RV which ever you decide on. You are
always from having to make that decision as you can complete the tail and
wings before having to decide whether to add the stiffeners in the fuselage
tail for a tail dragger fitting. Well, at least you could wait on the older
models, don't really know about the newer ones, but presumably you can still
postpone the wheels decision a bit.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robbie Walker" <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:38 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in
Portuguese?)
> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>
> Ed,
>
> Thanks for both the excellent advice and the relevant anecdotes. Now I
> have a headache! <grin>
>
> But seriously, that's exactly the sort of thing I'm struggling with. On
> one hand, I like the looks of the conventional gear and it's my
> understanding (having NEVER flown in or landed one...) that they are
> better on grass, worse on pavement. I've also been told that if you
> really know what you are doing, they are no harder to land. But I've also
> seen incident reports where many much more experienced pilots than myself
> ground-looping them or worse. Not that the tricycle are immune to landing
> issues... what plane is?
>
> Also, for everyone else, I'm NOT trying to get this debate started up
> again, I'm just thinking out loud.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> Robbie Walker
>
> On Sep 12, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Ed Anderson wrote:
>
>> <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>>
>> Robbie, like most decisions, there are pros and cons. I have flown both
>> taildraggers and nose gear in and out of grass and paved strips. In my
>> advancing years, I find a nose wheel lessens apprehension in coping
>> with adverse wind conditions on landing. I found on one emergency
>> aborted takeoff (got airborne and put it back down on a 2200 foot strip)
>> that the nose wheel enabled me to apply maximum braking (left rubber for
>> 300 ft - no lock up, just a good grip) which in a tail dragger would
>> have end up on its nose (or back). On the other hand, as several recent
>> incidents have shown landing an Rv- on its nose gear can result on your
>> back as well. The bottom line is neither is going to save you from a
>> really screwed up landing - so don't make one {:>).
>>
>> Getting viewpoints on each is good approach, but ultimately you need to
>> go with what You want and feel comfortable with - regardless of other
>> viewpoints on your choice. If you have not yet, try to get a ride in an
>> RV both with and without nose gear and see if one appeals to you more
>> than the other - because when its said and done, appeal is going to be a
>> large driver in your decision.
>>
>> Good luck
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> Ed Anderson
>> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
>> Matthews, NC
>> eanderson@carolina.rr.com
>> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
>> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robbie Walker"
>> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>> To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 11:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in
>> Portuguese?)
>>
>>
>>> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>>>
>>> Sweet... love the Boston at the beginning.
>>> I'm still at the "mental" stage of things, so my decisions seem to
>>> vacillate.
>>> I was leaning towards a 7 for my wife... but she really doesn't like
>>> to fly at all so I'm back to leaning towards the 8.
>>> I was leaning towards tricycle but now I'm at conventional.
>>>
>>> I guess I need to finish getting my garage cleaned out now that we
>>> moved in last week and get the empennage ordered.
>>>
>>> Robbie Walker
>>>
>>> On Sep 12, 2007, at 10:41 AM, Dale Walter wrote:
>>>
>>>> <dale1rv6@comcast.net>
>>>>
>>>> Nice video Robbie, thanks for sharing. Here is one from yesterday in
>>>> our
>>>> RV6a with a 2 turn spin, instrument panel is included:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0ujjspDGXM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is dedicated to Bert M in Orlando, who inspired me. Do not
>>>> archive
>>>>
>>>> Happy landings,
>>>> Dale
>>>> RV6a 920 hrs, large rudder
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>>>>
>>>> This may be old hat to some of y'all, but I found it quite
>>>> interesting. Definitely making me re-open the conventional vs.
>>>> tricycle debate with myself.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.motionbox.com/video/player/a09addb11a1e28#1
>>>>
>>>> Robbie Walker
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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