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| Subject: | Re: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?) |
Thank you everyone for the great advice.
Do Not Archive
Robbie Walker
On Sep 13, 2007, at 9:38 PM, Bill Repucci wrote:
> <bill@repucci.com>
>
> Robbie,
>
> Build the airplane you want, not the one others want for themselves.
>
> I'm a low time pilot, about 350 hours, when I first flew my -9. (For
> the record, this is a -9, not a -9A.) 150 of those hours were in
> various tail wheel aircraft. The insurance requirement was all of
> three
> hours in any side-by-side RV before my first flight.
>
> There was no $800 insurance premium for me. Heck, as near as I can
> there was no tail wheel premium attached to this plane.
>
> As for learning how to fly a tail wheel, I'll let you in on a little
> secrete, it isn't any harder than learning to land an airplane. 10
> hours and you will be ready to solo. Does the endorsement make you a
> better pilot? Not in my opinion. What makes someone a good pilot is
> their judgment, not how good they are with their feet.
>
> Just remember, when landing a tail wheel airplane the main thing is to
> keep it straight, no matter what else happens, just keep it
> straight and
> all will work out.
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale
> Walter
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:43 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in
> Portuguese?)
>
>
> --> <dale1rv6@comcast.net>
>
> Insurance can be $800 or more higher for the tailwheel. Get a quote
> before you build. Dale
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Robbie
> Walker
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:38 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in
> Portuguese?)
>
> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>
> Ed,
>
> Thanks for both the excellent advice and the relevant anecdotes. Now
> I have a headache! <grin>
>
> But seriously, that's exactly the sort of thing I'm struggling with.
> On one hand, I like the looks of the conventional gear and it's my
> understanding (having NEVER flown in or landed one...) that they are
> better on grass, worse on pavement. I've also been told that if you
> really know what you are doing, they are no harder to land. But I've
> also seen incident reports where many much more experienced pilots
> than myself ground-looping them or worse. Not that the tricycle are
> immune to landing issues... what plane is?
>
> Also, for everyone else, I'm NOT trying to get this debate started up
> again, I'm just thinking out loud.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> Robbie Walker
>
> On Sep 12, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Ed Anderson wrote:
>
>> <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>>
>> Robbie, like most decisions, there are pros and cons. I have flown
>> both taildraggers and nose gear in and out of grass and paved
>> strips. In my advancing years, I find a nose wheel lessens
>> apprehension in coping with adverse wind conditions on landing.
>> I found on one emergency aborted takeoff (got airborne and put it
>> back down on a 2200 foot strip) that the nose wheel enabled me to
>> apply maximum braking (left rubber for 300 ft - no lock up, just a
>> good grip) which in a tail dragger would have end up on its nose
>> (or back). On the other hand, as several recent incidents have
>> shown landing an Rv- on its nose gear can result on your back as
>> well. The bottom line is neither is going to save you from a
>> really screwed up landing - so don't make one {:>).
>>
>> Getting viewpoints on each is good approach, but ultimately you
>> need to go with what You want and feel comfortable with -
>> regardless of other viewpoints on your choice. If you have not
>> yet, try to get a ride in an RV both with and without nose gear and
>> see if one appeals to you more than the other - because when its
>> said and done, appeal is going to be a large driver in your decision.
>>
>> Good luck
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> Ed Anderson
>> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
>> Matthews, NC
>> eanderson@carolina.rr.com
>> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
>> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robbie Walker"
>> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>> To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 11:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text
>> in Portuguese?)
>>
>>
>>> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>>>
>>> Sweet... love the Boston at the beginning.
>>> I'm still at the "mental" stage of things, so my decisions seem to
>>> vacillate.
>>> I was leaning towards a 7 for my wife... but she really doesn't
>>> like to fly at all so I'm back to leaning towards the 8.
>>> I was leaning towards tricycle but now I'm at conventional.
>>>
>>> I guess I need to finish getting my garage cleaned out now that
>>> we moved in last week and get the empennage ordered.
>>>
>>> Robbie Walker
>>>
>>> On Sep 12, 2007, at 10:41 AM, Dale Walter wrote:
>>>
>>>> <dale1rv6@comcast.net>
>>>>
>>>> Nice video Robbie, thanks for sharing. Here is one from
>>>> yesterday in our
>>>> RV6a with a 2 turn spin, instrument panel is included:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0ujjspDGXM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is dedicated to Bert M in Orlando, who inspired me. Do not
>>>> archive
>>>>
>>>> Happy landings,
>>>> Dale
>>>> RV6a 920 hrs, large rudder
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>>>>
>>>> This may be old hat to some of y'all, but I found it quite
>>>> interesting. Definitely making me re-open the conventional vs.
>>>> tricycle debate with myself.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.motionbox.com/video/player/a09addb11a1e28#1
>>>>
>>>> Robbie Walker
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in Portuguese?) |
BTW, my yearly insurance is $1850 for $75K hull. I suspect (hope!) it
will come down once I have 100 hours in type.
I would be curious how this compares to others.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Robbie
Walker
Sent: Friday, September 14, 2007 8:06 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in
Portuguese?)
--> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
Thank you everyone for the great advice.
Do Not Archive
Robbie Walker
On Sep 13, 2007, at 9:38 PM, Bill Repucci wrote:
> <bill@repucci.com>
>
> Robbie,
>
> Build the airplane you want, not the one others want for themselves.
>
> I'm a low time pilot, about 350 hours, when I first flew my -9. (For
> the record, this is a -9, not a -9A.) 150 of those hours were in
> various tail wheel aircraft. The insurance requirement was all of
> three
> hours in any side-by-side RV before my first flight.
>
> There was no $800 insurance premium for me. Heck, as near as I can
> there was no tail wheel premium attached to this plane.
>
> As for learning how to fly a tail wheel, I'll let you in on a little
> secrete, it isn't any harder than learning to land an airplane. 10
> hours and you will be ready to solo. Does the endorsement make you a
> better pilot? Not in my opinion. What makes someone a good pilot is
> their judgment, not how good they are with their feet.
>
> Just remember, when landing a tail wheel airplane the main thing is to
> keep it straight, no matter what else happens, just keep it
> straight and
> all will work out.
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale
> Walter
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:43 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in
> Portuguese?)
>
>
> --> <dale1rv6@comcast.net>
>
> Insurance can be $800 or more higher for the tailwheel. Get a quote
> before you build. Dale
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> Robbie
> Walker
> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 2:38 PM
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text in
> Portuguese?)
>
> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>
> Ed,
>
> Thanks for both the excellent advice and the relevant anecdotes. Now
> I have a headache! <grin>
>
> But seriously, that's exactly the sort of thing I'm struggling with.
> On one hand, I like the looks of the conventional gear and it's my
> understanding (having NEVER flown in or landed one...) that they are
> better on grass, worse on pavement. I've also been told that if you
> really know what you are doing, they are no harder to land. But I've
> also seen incident reports where many much more experienced pilots
> than myself ground-looping them or worse. Not that the tricycle are
> immune to landing issues... what plane is?
>
> Also, for everyone else, I'm NOT trying to get this debate started up
> again, I'm just thinking out loud.
>
> Do Not Archive
>
> Robbie Walker
>
> On Sep 12, 2007, at 11:43 AM, Ed Anderson wrote:
>
>> <eanderson@carolina.rr.com>
>>
>> Robbie, like most decisions, there are pros and cons. I have flown
>> both taildraggers and nose gear in and out of grass and paved
>> strips. In my advancing years, I find a nose wheel lessens
>> apprehension in coping with adverse wind conditions on landing.
>> I found on one emergency aborted takeoff (got airborne and put it
>> back down on a 2200 foot strip) that the nose wheel enabled me to
>> apply maximum braking (left rubber for 300 ft - no lock up, just a
>> good grip) which in a tail dragger would have end up on its nose
>> (or back). On the other hand, as several recent incidents have
>> shown landing an Rv- on its nose gear can result on your back as
>> well. The bottom line is neither is going to save you from a
>> really screwed up landing - so don't make one {:>).
>>
>> Getting viewpoints on each is good approach, but ultimately you
>> need to go with what You want and feel comfortable with -
>> regardless of other viewpoints on your choice. If you have not
>> yet, try to get a ride in an RV both with and without nose gear and
>> see if one appeals to you more than the other - because when its
>> said and done, appeal is going to be a large driver in your decision.
>>
>> Good luck
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> Ed Anderson
>> Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
>> Matthews, NC
>> eanderson@carolina.rr.com
>> http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
>> http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robbie Walker"
>> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>> To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 12, 2007 11:29 AM
>> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Boeing Crosswind Testing Movie (text
>> in Portuguese?)
>>
>>
>>> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>>>
>>> Sweet... love the Boston at the beginning.
>>> I'm still at the "mental" stage of things, so my decisions seem to
>>> vacillate.
>>> I was leaning towards a 7 for my wife... but she really doesn't
>>> like to fly at all so I'm back to leaning towards the 8.
>>> I was leaning towards tricycle but now I'm at conventional.
>>>
>>> I guess I need to finish getting my garage cleaned out now that
>>> we moved in last week and get the empennage ordered.
>>>
>>> Robbie Walker
>>>
>>> On Sep 12, 2007, at 10:41 AM, Dale Walter wrote:
>>>
>>>> <dale1rv6@comcast.net>
>>>>
>>>> Nice video Robbie, thanks for sharing. Here is one from
>>>> yesterday in our
>>>> RV6a with a 2 turn spin, instrument panel is included:
>>>>
>>>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y0ujjspDGXM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This is dedicated to Bert M in Orlando, who inspired me. Do not
>>>> archive
>>>>
>>>> Happy landings,
>>>> Dale
>>>> RV6a 920 hrs, large rudder
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> <robbie@atlanticpkg.com>
>>>>
>>>> This may be old hat to some of y'all, but I found it quite
>>>> interesting. Definitely making me re-open the conventional vs.
>>>> tricycle debate with myself.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.motionbox.com/video/player/a09addb11a1e28#1
>>>>
>>>> Robbie Walker
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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