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1. 06:22 AM - Re: Insurance for First Flight (Speedy11@aol.com)
2. 07:10 AM - Underinsured Hull was : Re: Insurance for First Flight (Ed Anderson)
3. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: Insurance for First Flight (Dale Ensing)
4. 04:34 PM - Lots of Questions (Steve Crimm)
5. 04:53 PM - Re: Lots of Questions (Garry)
6. 04:55 PM - Re: ***SPAM*** Re: Re: Insurance for First Flight (Bill Repucci)
7. 04:55 PM - B-17 in Concord (Bill Repucci)
8. 05:00 PM - Re: Lots of Questions (mhflyit@aol.com)
9. 05:08 PM - Re: Lots of Questions (Bill Repucci)
10. 06:07 PM - Re: Lots of Questions (Ron Schreck)
11. 06:19 PM - Re: Lots of Questions (Tad Sargent)
12. 06:57 PM - Re: Insurance for First Flight (Dale Ensing)
13. 07:01 PM - Re: Insurance for First Flight (Dale Ensing)
14. 07:20 PM - Re: Lots of Questions (Steve Crimm)
15. 07:22 PM - Re: Re: Insurance for First Flight (Charlie England)
16. 07:33 PM - Re: Lots of Questions (Radomir Zaric)
17. 07:44 PM - Re: Re: Insurance for First Flight (Dale Ensing)
18. 11:42 PM - Re: Lots of Questions (Ron Schreck)
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance for First Flight |
Dale,
What underinsured hull implications do you refer to?
I've found the insurance people to have a policy of "honor among thieves."
That is, if you have a quote or an active insurance policy, they will not
talk to you or give you a quote. I've told them I will cancel my current policy
if they would give me a quote. They refuse! They have an unwritten rule
amongst themselves to not step on each others toes. Seems almost like
collusion to keep prices high and create a sort of monopoly.
Stan Sutterfield
One other important point, are you aware of the implications of under
insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance agents
and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All other agents
will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your needs.
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance for First Flight |
Stan, if you have hull insurance say $20K for an aircraft worth say
$100k (therefore you are "underinsured") and are in an repairable
accident, the following could legally happen. If the salvage/resale
value of the hull is worth more than your $20K policy then the insurance
company can declare your hull "Totaled", pay you, your $20k, take
possession and sell the aircraft for it true "salvage" value of say
$75K. So instead of a loss to the insurance company they make a
"profit" of $55K on you accident. Not bad, eh?
I have hear of this happening but have no ideal whether this practice is
prevalent or not - you wouldn't think so, but with insurance companies
you never know. In any case, many believe it is better to have no hull
insurance rather than be "underinsured".
Ed.
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
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http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
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From: Speedy11@aol.com
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:16 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight
Dale,
What underinsured hull implications do you refer to?
I've found the insurance people to have a policy of "honor among
thieves." That is, if you have a quote or an active insurance policy,
they will not talk to you or give you a quote. I've told them I will
cancel my current policy if they would give me a quote. They refuse!
They have an unwritten rule amongst themselves to not step on each
others toes. Seems almost like collusion to keep prices high and create
a sort of monopoly.
Stan Sutterfield
One other important point, are you aware of the implications of
under
insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance
agents
and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All other
agents
will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your needs.
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance for First Flight |
Stan,
I see that Ed Anderson already gave you an excellent explanations of the
possible consequence of under insuring the hull. NationAir made sure I
understood this when I first had to decide on the level of hull
insurance. Thanks to the RVlist I was aware of the ramifications.
The refusal of quotes was explained to me by an RV builder/insurance
agent on the RVlist a few years ago. His explanation: When you work with
an agent, they will contact the various insurance companies for pricing
and availability of your insurance needs. After the initial quote to an
agent, the insurance company would just be giving the same quote for the
same circumstance to all the other agents that contact them. The one
exception is Avemco as they deal direct.
Dale
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From: Speedy11@aol.com
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:16 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight
Dale,
What underinsured hull implications do you refer to?
I've found the insurance people to have a policy of "honor among
thieves." That is, if you have a quote or an active insurance policy,
they will not talk to you or give you a quote. I've told them I will
cancel my current policy if they would give me a quote. They refuse!
They have an unwritten rule amongst themselves to not step on each
others toes. Seems almost like collusion to keep prices high and create
a sort of monopoly.
Stan Sutterfield
One other important point, are you aware of the implications of
under
insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance
agents
and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All other
agents
will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your needs.
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| Subject: | Lots of Questions |
Gentlemen and Ladies,
And I will use the gentlemen term loosely.
I finalizing the sale of my Europa today and have been looking at lots of
ads on Barnstormers and Trade A Plane for an RV-6A or RV-7A to fill that
soon to be vacant spot in my hangar. Needless to say I have lots of
questions and don't think it would be fair to the group to ask all my "want
to be" questions on the forum.
My final goal is an aircraft that will be easy for my wife and grand
daughter to learn to fly in and that will let me do light IFR here in the
southeast. Besides all the normal go fast and looks great aspects of these
aircraft.
So with that said, who or whom would like to step up to the plate and let me
bend their ear about these wonderful aircraft you all operate.
Thanks,
Steve Crimm
Roswell, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Lots of Questions |
Steve,
I've owned a Europa trigear for 7 years and also have recently completed
building an RV 7A. Contact me off list and I think I can help you alot.
garrys@tampabay.rr.com
Garry Stout
Tampa, FL
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From: Steve Crimm
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:28 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Gentlemen and Ladies,
And I will use the gentlemen term loosely.
I finalizing the sale of my Europa today and have been looking at lots
of ads on Barnstormers and Trade A Plane for an RV-6A or RV-7A to fill
that soon to be vacant spot in my hangar. Needless to say I have lots
of questions and don't think it would be fair to the group to ask all my
"want to be" questions on the forum.
My final goal is an aircraft that will be easy for my wife and grand
daughter to learn to fly in and that will let me do light IFR here in
the southeast. Besides all the normal go fast and looks great aspects
of these aircraft.
So with that said, who or whom would like to step up to the plate and
let me bend their ear about these wonderful aircraft you all operate.
Thanks,
Steve Crimm
Roswell, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance for First Flight |
Radomir just received the quotes for his -7A and upon comparing notes,
there doesn't appear to be any conventional gear penalty assigned to my
RV-9. So those of you who are on the fence with regard to building a TW
or NW, don't let the urban legend regarding insuring a tail wheel keep
you from building the plane you REALY want.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale
Ensing
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:39 AM
Subject: ***SPAM*** Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight
Stan,
I see that Ed Anderson already gave you an excellent explanations of the
possible consequence of under insuring the hull. NationAir made sure I
understood this when I first had to decide on the level of hull
insurance. Thanks to the RVlist I was aware of the ramifications.
The refusal of quotes was explained to me by an RV builder/insurance
agent on the RVlist a few years ago. His explanation: When you work with
an agent, they will contact the various insurance companies for pricing
and availability of your insurance needs. After the initial quote to an
agent, the insurance company would just be giving the same quote for the
same circumstance to all the other agents that contact them. The one
exception is Avemco as they deal direct.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Speedy11@aol.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:16 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight
Dale,
What underinsured hull implications do you refer to?
I've found the insurance people to have a policy of "honor among
thieves." That is, if you have a quote or an active insurance policy,
they will not talk to you or give you a quote. I've told them I will
cancel my current policy if they would give me a quote. They refuse!
They have an unwritten rule amongst themselves to not step on each
others toes. Seems almost like collusion to keep prices high and create
a sort of monopoly.
Stan Sutterfield
One other important point, are you aware of the implications of under
insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance agents
and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All other agents
will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your needs.
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FYI - the EAA's B-17 is at Concord (JQF) Friday, Saturday, & Sunday.
Stop in and go for a ride.
http://www.eaa309.org/B17/2007_b17_poster.pdf
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Lots of Questions |
Steve,
You may also want to consider the 9A for the primary missions you've stated.
Rgds
Matt Hurley
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Crimm <steve.crimm@stephenscott.com>
Sent: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 7:28 pm
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Gentlemen and
Ladies,
?
And I will use the
gentlemen term loosely.
?
I?finalizing
the sale of my Europa today and have been looking at lots of ads on Barnstormers
and Trade A Plane for an RV-6A or RV-7A to fill that soon to be vacant spot in
my hangar.? Needless to say I have lots of questions and don't think it
would be fair to the group to ask all my "want to be" questions on the
forum.?
?
My final goal is an
aircraft that will be easy for?my wife and grand daughter to learn
to?fly in and that will let me do light IFR here in the southeast.?
Besides all the normal go fast and looks great aspects of these
aircraft.
?
So with that
said,?who or whom would like to step up to the plate and let me bend their
ear about these wonderful aircraft you all operate.?
?
Thanks,
?
Steve
Crimm
Roswell,
GA
?
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| Subject: | Lots of Questions |
Steve,
If you are not into acro, you might want to look at a -9A. They make a
great X-C plane, haul a ton, are just about as fast as the 6's and 7's
and cost more than a 6 but typically less than a 7.
As for bending our ears, everything you read about them is true. That's
why there are so many of the things flying.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Crimm
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:29 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Gentlemen and Ladies,
And I will use the gentlemen term loosely.
I finalizing the sale of my Europa today and have been looking at lots
of ads on Barnstormers and Trade A Plane for an RV-6A or RV-7A to fill
that soon to be vacant spot in my hangar. Needless to say I have lots
of questions and don't think it would be fair to the group to ask all my
"want to be" questions on the forum.
My final goal is an aircraft that will be easy for my wife and grand
daughter to learn to fly in and that will let me do light IFR here in
the southeast. Besides all the normal go fast and looks great aspects
of these aircraft.
So with that said, who or whom would like to step up to the plate and
let me bend their ear about these wonderful aircraft you all operate.
Thanks,
Steve Crimm
Roswell, GA
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| Subject: | Re: Lots of Questions |
MessageSteve,
There is an RV for you. Just decide what you want to do with it...
cross country, IFR, acro, formation.. all of the above! Seriously, do
an honest evalution of what you want from an airplane then let us bend
your ear. the ball is in your court; what do you want/need to do?
Ron Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Repucci
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:06 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Steve,
If you are not into acro, you might want to look at a -9A. They make
a great X-C plane, haul a ton, are just about as fast as the 6's and 7's
and cost more than a 6 but typically less than a 7.
As for bending our ears, everything you read about them is true.
That's why there are so many of the things flying.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Crimm
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:29 PM
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Gentlemen and Ladies,
And I will use the gentlemen term loosely.
I finalizing the sale of my Europa today and have been looking at lots
of ads on Barnstormers and Trade A Plane for an RV-6A or RV-7A to fill
that soon to be vacant spot in my hangar. Needless to say I have lots
of questions and don't think it would be fair to the group to ask all my
"want to be" questions on the forum.
My final goal is an aircraft that will be easy for my wife and grand
daughter to learn to fly in and that will let me do light IFR here in
the southeast. Besides all the normal go fast and looks great aspects
of these aircraft.
So with that said, who or whom would like to step up to the plate and
let me bend their ear about these wonderful aircraft you all operate.
Thanks,
Steve Crimm
Roswell, GA
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m
atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Lots of Questions |
I am commander of the B-17 this weekend and cannot formate. You guys
getting together?
_____
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Schreck
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:08 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Steve,
There is an RV for you. Just decide what you want to do with it... cross
country, IFR, acro, formation.. all of the above! Seriously, do an honest
evalution of what you want from an airplane then let us bend your ear. the
ball is in your court; what do you want/need to do?
Ron Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Repucci <mailto:bill@repucci.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:06 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Steve,
If you are not into acro, you might want to look at a -9A. They make a
great X-C plane, haul a ton, are just about as fast as the 6's and 7's and
cost more than a 6 but typically less than a 7.
As for bending our ears, everything you read about them is true. That's why
there are so many of the things flying.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Crimm
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:29 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Gentlemen and Ladies,
And I will use the gentlemen term loosely.
I finalizing the sale of my Europa today and have been looking at lots of
ads on Barnstormers and Trade A Plane for an RV-6A or RV-7A to fill that
soon to be vacant spot in my hangar. Needless to say I have lots of
questions and don't think it would be fair to the group to ask all my "want
to be" questions on the forum.
My final goal is an aircraft that will be easy for my wife and grand
daughter to learn to fly in and that will let me do light IFR here in the
southeast. Besides all the normal go fast and looks great aspects of these
aircraft.
So with that said, who or whom would like to step up to the plate and let me
bend their ear about these wonderful aircraft you all operate.
Thanks,
Steve Crimm
Roswell, GA
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href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance for First Flight |
MessageGee Bill, maybe it's the high level of ability and experience of
the tail wheel pilot!! .......in spite of the antique tail wheel design
;<)
Seriously, there are several factors that are considered when quoting
insurance on an airplane.
Owners total flying experience, time in type, type of airplane, where is
the airplane based, paved or grass runway, passed history of claims and
maybe the age of the primary pilot. One of my neighbor told me last
weekend that he is considering selling his Bonanza because of operating
cost with insurance being a primary factor because he is now 75.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Repucci
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:55 PM
Subject: RE: ***SPAM*** Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First
Flight
Radomir just received the quotes for his -7A and upon comparing notes,
there doesn't appear to be any conventional gear penalty assigned to my
RV-9. So those of you who are on the fence with regard to building a TW
or NW, don't let the urban legend regarding insuring a tail wheel keep
you from building the plane you REALY want.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale
Ensing
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:39 AM
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Subject: ***SPAM*** Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First
Flight
Stan,
I see that Ed Anderson already gave you an excellent explanations of
the possible consequence of under insuring the hull. NationAir made
sure I understood this when I first had to decide on the level of hull
insurance. Thanks to the RVlist I was aware of the ramifications.
The refusal of quotes was explained to me by an RV builder/insurance
agent on the RVlist a few years ago. His explanation: When you work with
an agent, they will contact the various insurance companies for pricing
and availability of your insurance needs. After the initial quote to an
agent, the insurance company would just be giving the same quote for the
same circumstance to all the other agents that contact them. The one
exception is Avemco as they deal direct.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Speedy11@aol.com
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:16 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight
Dale,
What underinsured hull implications do you refer to?
I've found the insurance people to have a policy of "honor among
thieves." That is, if you have a quote or an active insurance policy,
they will not talk to you or give you a quote. I've told them I will
cancel my current policy if they would give me a quote. They refuse!
They have an unwritten rule amongst themselves to not step on each
others toes. Seems almost like collusion to keep prices high and create
a sort of monopoly.
Stan Sutterfield
One other important point, are you aware of the implications of
under
insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance
agents
and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All other
agents
will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your needs.
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance for First Flight |
MessageGee Bill, maybe it's the high level of ability and experience of
the tail wheel pilot!! .......in spite of the antique tail wheel design
;<)
Seriously, there are several factors that are considered when quoting
insurance on an airplane.
Owners total flying experience, time in type, type of airplane, where is
the airplane based, paved or grass runway, passed history of claims and
maybe the age of the primary pilot. One of my neighbor told me last
weekend that he is considering selling his Bonanza because of operating
cost with insurance being a primary factor because he is now 75.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Repucci
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:55 PM
Subject: RE: ***SPAM*** Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First
Flight
Radomir just received the quotes for his -7A and upon comparing notes,
there doesn't appear to be any conventional gear penalty assigned to my
RV-9. So those of you who are on the fence with regard to building a TW
or NW, don't let the urban legend regarding insuring a tail wheel keep
you from building the plane you REALY want.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale
Ensing
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:39 AM
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Subject: ***SPAM*** Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First
Flight
Stan,
I see that Ed Anderson already gave you an excellent explanations of
the possible consequence of under insuring the hull. NationAir made
sure I understood this when I first had to decide on the level of hull
insurance. Thanks to the RVlist I was aware of the ramifications.
The refusal of quotes was explained to me by an RV builder/insurance
agent on the RVlist a few years ago. His explanation: When you work with
an agent, they will contact the various insurance companies for pricing
and availability of your insurance needs. After the initial quote to an
agent, the insurance company would just be giving the same quote for the
same circumstance to all the other agents that contact them. The one
exception is Avemco as they deal direct.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: Speedy11@aol.com
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:16 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight
Dale,
What underinsured hull implications do you refer to?
I've found the insurance people to have a policy of "honor among
thieves." That is, if you have a quote or an active insurance policy,
they will not talk to you or give you a quote. I've told them I will
cancel my current policy if they would give me a quote. They refuse!
They have an unwritten rule amongst themselves to not step on each
others toes. Seems almost like collusion to keep prices high and create
a sort of monopoly.
Stan Sutterfield
One other important point, are you aware of the implications of
under
insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance
agents
and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All other
agents
will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your needs.
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Nothing like a good challenge...
Wants and wishes
1. IFR capable for x-country
2. 180 HP
3. Want to be able to burn car gas
4. Want slider with tip up option
5. Between the wife and I we weigh 420 lbs ( fat asses...my wife just read
this and says she has a mature ass, mine is fat)
6. Want to carry a reasonable amount of baggage
7. Tri Gear
8. No acrobatics
9. No formation (been there done that in helicopters in the Army)
10. Wing leveler coupled to GPS (Alt hold would be really nice)
11. $80,000 budget ( now everyone laughs, he wants what for 80K)
12. Elec Flaps and trim
13. All the RV mods and stuff I need, that I don't know I should have or
look for to be a happy RV'er
14. Constant speed prop
Steve
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From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Schreck
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 20:08
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Steve,
There is an RV for you. Just decide what you want to do with it... cross
country, IFR, acro, formation.. all of the above! Seriously, do an honest
evalution of what you want from an airplane then let us bend your ear. the
ball is in your court; what do you want/need to do?
Ron Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Repucci <mailto:bill@repucci.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:06 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Steve,
If you are not into acro, you might want to look at a -9A. They make a
great X-C plane, haul a ton, are just about as fast as the 6's and 7's and
cost more than a 6 but typically less than a 7.
As for bending our ears, everything you read about them is true. That's why
there are so many of the things flying.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Crimm
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:29 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Gentlemen and Ladies,
And I will use the gentlemen term loosely.
I finalizing the sale of my Europa today and have been looking at lots of
ads on Barnstormers and Trade A Plane for an RV-6A or RV-7A to fill that
soon to be vacant spot in my hangar. Needless to say I have lots of
questions and don't think it would be fair to the group to ask all my "want
to be" questions on the forum.
My final goal is an aircraft that will be easy for my wife and grand
daughter to learn to fly in and that will let me do light IFR here in the
southeast. Besides all the normal go fast and looks great aspects of these
aircraft.
So with that said, who or whom would like to step up to the plate and let me
bend their ear about these wonderful aircraft you all operate.
Thanks,
Steve Crimm
Roswell, GA
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It's still collusion. Have you ever heard an independent insurance agent
for homeowners, automotive, etc insurance tell you that?
You can bet that the same underwriters (meaning the actual insurance
companies, not the person sitting at the desk) give multiple agents
quotes on the same property every day when they are working in other fields.
I equate it to Lyc/Cont engine prices; they do it because they can.
BTW, don't let them convince you that the high rates are due to
'liability', either. If the issue was liability, then why is $1M of
liability only around $300-$400/yr, but $30K of hull is over twice that
premium?
Charlie
Dale Ensing wrote:
> Stan,
> I see that Ed Anderson already gave you an excellent explanations of the
> possible consequence of under insuring the hull. NationAir made sure I
> understood this when I first had to decide on the level of hull
> insurance. Thanks to the RVlist I was aware of the ramifications.
>
> The refusal of quotes was explained to me by an RV builder/insurance
> agent on the RVlist a few years ago. His explanation: When you work with
> an agent, they will contact the various insurance companies for pricing
> and availability of your insurance needs. After the initial quote to an
> agent, the insurance company would just be giving the same quote for the
> same circumstance to all the other agents that contact them. The one
> exception is Avemco as they deal direct.
> Dale
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Speedy11@aol.com <mailto:Speedy11@aol.com>
> *To:* rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> <mailto:rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:16 AM
> *Subject:* RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight
>
> Dale,
> What underinsured hull implications do you refer to?
> I've found the insurance people to have a policy of "honor among
> thieves." That is, if you have a quote or an active insurance
> policy, they will not talk to you or give you a quote. I've told
> them I will cancel my current policy if they would give me a quote.
> They refuse! They have an unwritten rule amongst themselves to not
> step on each others toes. Seems almost like collusion to keep
> prices high and create a sort of monopoly.
> Stan Sutterfield
>
>
> One other important point, are you aware of the implications of
> under
> insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance
> agents
> and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All
> other agents
> will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your needs.
>
>
>
>
>
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>
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You can get one that meets pretty much all of the requirements mentioned
below for that money.. some assembly required, though. J
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Crimm
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:19 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Nothing like a good challenge...
Wants and wishes
1. IFR capable for x-country
2. 180 HP
3. Want to be able to burn car gas
4. Want slider with tip up option
5. Between the wife and I we weigh 420 lbs ( fat asses...my wife just read
this and says she has a mature ass, mine is fat)
6. Want to carry a reasonable amount of baggage
7. Tri Gear
8. No acrobatics
9. No formation (been there done that in helicopters in the Army)
10. Wing leveler coupled to GPS (Alt hold would be really nice)
11. $80,000 budget ( now everyone laughs, he wants what for 80K)
12. Elec Flaps and trim
13. All the RV mods and stuff I need, that I don't know I should have or
look for to be a happy RV'er
14. Constant speed prop
Steve
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I agree. Told him is was a blatant restraint of trade.
Dale
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie England" <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:22 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight
> <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
>
> It's still collusion. Have you ever heard an independent insurance agent
> for homeowners, automotive, etc insurance tell you that?
>
> You can bet that the same underwriters (meaning the actual insurance
> companies, not the person sitting at the desk) give multiple agents quotes
> on the same property every day when they are working in other fields.
>
> I equate it to Lyc/Cont engine prices; they do it because they can.
>
> BTW, don't let them convince you that the high rates are due to
> 'liability', either. If the issue was liability, then why is $1M of
> liability only around $300-$400/yr, but $30K of hull is over twice that
> premium?
>
> Charlie
>
> Dale Ensing wrote:
>> Stan,
>> I see that Ed Anderson already gave you an excellent explanations of the
>> possible consequence of under insuring the hull. NationAir made sure I
>> understood this when I first had to decide on the level of hull
>> insurance. Thanks to the RVlist I was aware of the ramifications.
>> The refusal of quotes was explained to me by an RV builder/insurance
>> agent on the RVlist a few years ago. His explanation: When you work with
>> an agent, they will contact the various insurance companies for pricing
>> and availability of your insurance needs. After the initial quote to an
>> agent, the insurance company would just be giving the same quote for the
>> same circumstance to all the other agents that contact them. The one
>> exception is Avemco as they deal direct.
>> Dale
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> *From:* Speedy11@aol.com <mailto:Speedy11@aol.com>
>> *To:* rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
>> <mailto:rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
>> *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:16 AM
>> *Subject:* RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight
>>
>> Dale,
>> What underinsured hull implications do you refer to?
>> I've found the insurance people to have a policy of "honor among
>> thieves." That is, if you have a quote or an active insurance
>> policy, they will not talk to you or give you a quote. I've told
>> them I will cancel my current policy if they would give me a quote.
>> They refuse! They have an unwritten rule amongst themselves to not
>> step on each others toes. Seems almost like collusion to keep
>> prices high and create a sort of monopoly.
>> Stan Sutterfield
>> One other important point, are you aware of the implications of
>> under
>> insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance
>> agents
>> and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All
>> other agents
>> will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your
>> needs.
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> See what's new="_blank">Make AOL Your Homepage.
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
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Message
Commander Tad,
Can't make it myself. I leave for Spokane Saturday AM to go fetch a
C-337.
Smokey
----- Original Message -----
From: Tad Sargent
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:18 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
I am commander of the B-17 this weekend and cannot formate. You guys
getting together?
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[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron
Schreck
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:08 PM
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Steve,
There is an RV for you. Just decide what you want to do with it...
cross country, IFR, acro, formation.. all of the above! Seriously, do
an honest evalution of what you want from an airplane then let us bend
your ear. the ball is in your court; what do you want/need to do?
Ron Schreck
RV-8, "Miss Izzy"
Gold Hill Airpark, NC
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill Repucci
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:06 PM
Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Steve,
If you are not into acro, you might want to look at a -9A. They
make a great X-C plane, haul a ton, are just about as fast as the 6's
and 7's and cost more than a 6 but typically less than a 7.
As for bending our ears, everything you read about them is true.
That's why there are so many of the things flying.
Bill
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Crimm
Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:29 PM
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions
Gentlemen and Ladies,
And I will use the gentlemen term loosely.
I finalizing the sale of my Europa today and have been looking at
lots of ads on Barnstormers and Trade A Plane for an RV-6A or RV-7A to
fill that soon to be vacant spot in my hangar. Needless to say I have
lots of questions and don't think it would be fair to the group to ask
all my "want to be" questions on the forum.
My final goal is an aircraft that will be easy for my wife and grand
daughter to learn to fly in and that will let me do light IFR here in
the southeast. Besides all the normal go fast and looks great aspects
of these aircraft.
So with that said, who or whom would like to step up to the plate
and let me bend their ear about these wonderful aircraft you all
operate.
Thanks,
Steve Crimm
Roswell, GA
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