---------------------------------------------------------- RVSouthEast-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/04/07: 18 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:22 AM - Re: Insurance for First Flight (Speedy11@aol.com) 2. 07:10 AM - Underinsured Hull was : Re: Insurance for First Flight (Ed Anderson) 3. 08:42 AM - Re: Re: Insurance for First Flight (Dale Ensing) 4. 04:34 PM - Lots of Questions (Steve Crimm) 5. 04:53 PM - Re: Lots of Questions (Garry) 6. 04:55 PM - Re: ***SPAM*** Re: Re: Insurance for First Flight (Bill Repucci) 7. 04:55 PM - B-17 in Concord (Bill Repucci) 8. 05:00 PM - Re: Lots of Questions (mhflyit@aol.com) 9. 05:08 PM - Re: Lots of Questions (Bill Repucci) 10. 06:07 PM - Re: Lots of Questions (Ron Schreck) 11. 06:19 PM - Re: Lots of Questions (Tad Sargent) 12. 06:57 PM - Re: Insurance for First Flight (Dale Ensing) 13. 07:01 PM - Re: Insurance for First Flight (Dale Ensing) 14. 07:20 PM - Re: Lots of Questions (Steve Crimm) 15. 07:22 PM - Re: Re: Insurance for First Flight (Charlie England) 16. 07:33 PM - Re: Lots of Questions (Radomir Zaric) 17. 07:44 PM - Re: Re: Insurance for First Flight (Dale Ensing) 18. 11:42 PM - Re: Lots of Questions (Ron Schreck) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:22:53 AM PST US From: Speedy11@aol.com Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight Dale, What underinsured hull implications do you refer to? I've found the insurance people to have a policy of "honor among thieves." That is, if you have a quote or an active insurance policy, they will not talk to you or give you a quote. I've told them I will cancel my current policy if they would give me a quote. They refuse! They have an unwritten rule amongst themselves to not step on each others toes. Seems almost like collusion to keep prices high and create a sort of monopoly. Stan Sutterfield One other important point, are you aware of the implications of under insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance agents and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All other agents will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your needs. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:10:47 AM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: Underinsured Hull was : RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight Stan, if you have hull insurance say $20K for an aircraft worth say $100k (therefore you are "underinsured") and are in an repairable accident, the following could legally happen. If the salvage/resale value of the hull is worth more than your $20K policy then the insurance company can declare your hull "Totaled", pay you, your $20k, take possession and sell the aircraft for it true "salvage" value of say $75K. So instead of a loss to the insurance company they make a "profit" of $55K on you accident. Not bad, eh? I have hear of this happening but have no ideal whether this practice is prevalent or not - you wouldn't think so, but with insurance companies you never know. In any case, many believe it is better to have no hull insurance rather than be "underinsured". Ed. Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html ----- Original Message ----- From: Speedy11@aol.com To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:16 AM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight Dale, What underinsured hull implications do you refer to? I've found the insurance people to have a policy of "honor among thieves." That is, if you have a quote or an active insurance policy, they will not talk to you or give you a quote. I've told them I will cancel my current policy if they would give me a quote. They refuse! They have an unwritten rule amongst themselves to not step on each others toes. Seems almost like collusion to keep prices high and create a sort of monopoly. Stan Sutterfield One other important point, are you aware of the implications of under insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance agents and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All other agents will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your needs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's new="_blank">Make AOL Your Homepage. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:02 AM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight Stan, I see that Ed Anderson already gave you an excellent explanations of the possible consequence of under insuring the hull. NationAir made sure I understood this when I first had to decide on the level of hull insurance. Thanks to the RVlist I was aware of the ramifications. The refusal of quotes was explained to me by an RV builder/insurance agent on the RVlist a few years ago. His explanation: When you work with an agent, they will contact the various insurance companies for pricing and availability of your insurance needs. After the initial quote to an agent, the insurance company would just be giving the same quote for the same circumstance to all the other agents that contact them. The one exception is Avemco as they deal direct. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Speedy11@aol.com To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:16 AM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight Dale, What underinsured hull implications do you refer to? I've found the insurance people to have a policy of "honor among thieves." That is, if you have a quote or an active insurance policy, they will not talk to you or give you a quote. I've told them I will cancel my current policy if they would give me a quote. They refuse! They have an unwritten rule amongst themselves to not step on each others toes. Seems almost like collusion to keep prices high and create a sort of monopoly. Stan Sutterfield One other important point, are you aware of the implications of under insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance agents and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All other agents will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your needs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See what's new="_blank">Make AOL Your Homepage. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:34:35 PM PST US From: "Steve Crimm" Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions Gentlemen and Ladies, And I will use the gentlemen term loosely. I finalizing the sale of my Europa today and have been looking at lots of ads on Barnstormers and Trade A Plane for an RV-6A or RV-7A to fill that soon to be vacant spot in my hangar. Needless to say I have lots of questions and don't think it would be fair to the group to ask all my "want to be" questions on the forum. My final goal is an aircraft that will be easy for my wife and grand daughter to learn to fly in and that will let me do light IFR here in the southeast. Besides all the normal go fast and looks great aspects of these aircraft. So with that said, who or whom would like to step up to the plate and let me bend their ear about these wonderful aircraft you all operate. Thanks, Steve Crimm Roswell, GA ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 04:53:33 PM PST US From: "Garry" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions Steve, I've owned a Europa trigear for 7 years and also have recently completed building an RV 7A. Contact me off list and I think I can help you alot. garrys@tampabay.rr.com Garry Stout Tampa, FL ----- Original Message ----- From: Steve Crimm To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:28 PM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions Gentlemen and Ladies, And I will use the gentlemen term loosely. I finalizing the sale of my Europa today and have been looking at lots of ads on Barnstormers and Trade A Plane for an RV-6A or RV-7A to fill that soon to be vacant spot in my hangar. Needless to say I have lots of questions and don't think it would be fair to the group to ask all my "want to be" questions on the forum. My final goal is an aircraft that will be easy for my wife and grand daughter to learn to fly in and that will let me do light IFR here in the southeast. Besides all the normal go fast and looks great aspects of these aircraft. So with that said, who or whom would like to step up to the plate and let me bend their ear about these wonderful aircraft you all operate. Thanks, Steve Crimm Roswell, GA ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:17 PM PST US From: "Bill Repucci" Subject: RE: ***SPAM*** Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight Radomir just received the quotes for his -7A and upon comparing notes, there doesn't appear to be any conventional gear penalty assigned to my RV-9. So those of you who are on the fence with regard to building a TW or NW, don't let the urban legend regarding insuring a tail wheel keep you from building the plane you REALY want. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Ensing Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:39 AM Subject: ***SPAM*** Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight Stan, I see that Ed Anderson already gave you an excellent explanations of the possible consequence of under insuring the hull. NationAir made sure I understood this when I first had to decide on the level of hull insurance. Thanks to the RVlist I was aware of the ramifications. The refusal of quotes was explained to me by an RV builder/insurance agent on the RVlist a few years ago. His explanation: When you work with an agent, they will contact the various insurance companies for pricing and availability of your insurance needs. After the initial quote to an agent, the insurance company would just be giving the same quote for the same circumstance to all the other agents that contact them. The one exception is Avemco as they deal direct. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Speedy11@aol.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:16 AM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight Dale, What underinsured hull implications do you refer to? I've found the insurance people to have a policy of "honor among thieves." That is, if you have a quote or an active insurance policy, they will not talk to you or give you a quote. I've told them I will cancel my current policy if they would give me a quote. They refuse! They have an unwritten rule amongst themselves to not step on each others toes. Seems almost like collusion to keep prices high and create a sort of monopoly. Stan Sutterfield One other important point, are you aware of the implications of under insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance agents and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All other agents will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your needs. _____ See what's new="_blank">Make AOL Your Homepage. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.ma tronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:55:22 PM PST US From: "Bill Repucci" Subject: RVSouthEast-List: B-17 in Concord FYI - the EAA's B-17 is at Concord (JQF) Friday, Saturday, & Sunday. Stop in and go for a ride. http://www.eaa309.org/B17/2007_b17_poster.pdf Bill ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:07 PM PST US Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions From: mhflyit@aol.com Steve, You may also want to consider the 9A for the primary missions you've stated. Rgds Matt Hurley -----Original Message----- From: Steve Crimm Sent: Thu, 4 Oct 2007 7:28 pm Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions Gentlemen and Ladies, ? And I will use the gentlemen term loosely. ? I?finalizing the sale of my Europa today and have been looking at lots of ads on Barnstormers and Trade A Plane for an RV-6A or RV-7A to fill that soon to be vacant spot in my hangar.? Needless to say I have lots of questions and don't think it would be fair to the group to ask all my "want to be" questions on the forum.? ? My final goal is an aircraft that will be easy for?my wife and grand daughter to learn to?fly in and that will let me do light IFR here in the southeast.? Besides all the normal go fast and looks great aspects of these aircraft. ? So with that said,?who or whom would like to step up to the plate and let me bend their ear about these wonderful aircraft you all operate.? ? Thanks, ? Steve Crimm Roswell, GA ? ________________________________________________________________________ Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:08:17 PM PST US From: "Bill Repucci" Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions Steve, If you are not into acro, you might want to look at a -9A. They make a great X-C plane, haul a ton, are just about as fast as the 6's and 7's and cost more than a 6 but typically less than a 7. As for bending our ears, everything you read about them is true. That's why there are so many of the things flying. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Crimm Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:29 PM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions Gentlemen and Ladies, And I will use the gentlemen term loosely. I finalizing the sale of my Europa today and have been looking at lots of ads on Barnstormers and Trade A Plane for an RV-6A or RV-7A to fill that soon to be vacant spot in my hangar. Needless to say I have lots of questions and don't think it would be fair to the group to ask all my "want to be" questions on the forum. My final goal is an aircraft that will be easy for my wife and grand daughter to learn to fly in and that will let me do light IFR here in the southeast. Besides all the normal go fast and looks great aspects of these aircraft. So with that said, who or whom would like to step up to the plate and let me bend their ear about these wonderful aircraft you all operate. Thanks, Steve Crimm Roswell, GA ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 06:07:13 PM PST US From: "Ron Schreck" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions MessageSteve, There is an RV for you. Just decide what you want to do with it... cross country, IFR, acro, formation.. all of the above! Seriously, do an honest evalution of what you want from an airplane then let us bend your ear. the ball is in your court; what do you want/need to do? Ron Schreck RV-8, "Miss Izzy" Gold Hill Airpark, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Repucci To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions Steve, If you are not into acro, you might want to look at a -9A. They make a great X-C plane, haul a ton, are just about as fast as the 6's and 7's and cost more than a 6 but typically less than a 7. As for bending our ears, everything you read about them is true. That's why there are so many of the things flying. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Crimm Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:29 PM To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions Gentlemen and Ladies, And I will use the gentlemen term loosely. I finalizing the sale of my Europa today and have been looking at lots of ads on Barnstormers and Trade A Plane for an RV-6A or RV-7A to fill that soon to be vacant spot in my hangar. Needless to say I have lots of questions and don't think it would be fair to the group to ask all my "want to be" questions on the forum. My final goal is an aircraft that will be easy for my wife and grand daughter to learn to fly in and that will let me do light IFR here in the southeast. Besides all the normal go fast and looks great aspects of these aircraft. So with that said, who or whom would like to step up to the plate and let me bend their ear about these wonderful aircraft you all operate. Thanks, Steve Crimm Roswell, GA href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:20 PM PST US From: "Tad Sargent" Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions I am commander of the B-17 this weekend and cannot formate. You guys getting together? _____ From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Schreck Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:08 PM Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions Steve, There is an RV for you. Just decide what you want to do with it... cross country, IFR, acro, formation.. all of the above! Seriously, do an honest evalution of what you want from an airplane then let us bend your ear. the ball is in your court; what do you want/need to do? Ron Schreck RV-8, "Miss Izzy" Gold Hill Airpark, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Repucci Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions Steve, If you are not into acro, you might want to look at a -9A. They make a great X-C plane, haul a ton, are just about as fast as the 6's and 7's and cost more than a 6 but typically less than a 7. As for bending our ears, everything you read about them is true. That's why there are so many of the things flying. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Crimm Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:29 PM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions Gentlemen and Ladies, And I will use the gentlemen term loosely. I finalizing the sale of my Europa today and have been looking at lots of ads on Barnstormers and Trade A Plane for an RV-6A or RV-7A to fill that soon to be vacant spot in my hangar. Needless to say I have lots of questions and don't think it would be fair to the group to ask all my "want to be" questions on the forum. My final goal is an aircraft that will be easy for my wife and grand daughter to learn to fly in and that will let me do light IFR here in the southeast. Besides all the normal go fast and looks great aspects of these aircraft. So with that said, who or whom would like to step up to the plate and let me bend their ear about these wonderful aircraft you all operate. Thanks, Steve Crimm Roswell, GA href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matron ics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matron ics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 06:57:22 PM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight MessageGee Bill, maybe it's the high level of ability and experience of the tail wheel pilot!! .......in spite of the antique tail wheel design ;<) Seriously, there are several factors that are considered when quoting insurance on an airplane. Owners total flying experience, time in type, type of airplane, where is the airplane based, paved or grass runway, passed history of claims and maybe the age of the primary pilot. One of my neighbor told me last weekend that he is considering selling his Bonanza because of operating cost with insurance being a primary factor because he is now 75. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Repucci To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:55 PM Subject: RE: ***SPAM*** Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight Radomir just received the quotes for his -7A and upon comparing notes, there doesn't appear to be any conventional gear penalty assigned to my RV-9. So those of you who are on the fence with regard to building a TW or NW, don't let the urban legend regarding insuring a tail wheel keep you from building the plane you REALY want. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Ensing Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:39 AM To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Subject: ***SPAM*** Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight Stan, I see that Ed Anderson already gave you an excellent explanations of the possible consequence of under insuring the hull. NationAir made sure I understood this when I first had to decide on the level of hull insurance. Thanks to the RVlist I was aware of the ramifications. The refusal of quotes was explained to me by an RV builder/insurance agent on the RVlist a few years ago. His explanation: When you work with an agent, they will contact the various insurance companies for pricing and availability of your insurance needs. After the initial quote to an agent, the insurance company would just be giving the same quote for the same circumstance to all the other agents that contact them. The one exception is Avemco as they deal direct. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Speedy11@aol.com To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:16 AM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight Dale, What underinsured hull implications do you refer to? I've found the insurance people to have a policy of "honor among thieves." That is, if you have a quote or an active insurance policy, they will not talk to you or give you a quote. I've told them I will cancel my current policy if they would give me a quote. They refuse! They have an unwritten rule amongst themselves to not step on each others toes. Seems almost like collusion to keep prices high and create a sort of monopoly. Stan Sutterfield One other important point, are you aware of the implications of under insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance agents and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All other agents will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your needs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- See what's new="_blank">Make AOL Your Homepage. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 07:01:43 PM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight MessageGee Bill, maybe it's the high level of ability and experience of the tail wheel pilot!! .......in spite of the antique tail wheel design ;<) Seriously, there are several factors that are considered when quoting insurance on an airplane. Owners total flying experience, time in type, type of airplane, where is the airplane based, paved or grass runway, passed history of claims and maybe the age of the primary pilot. One of my neighbor told me last weekend that he is considering selling his Bonanza because of operating cost with insurance being a primary factor because he is now 75. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Repucci To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:55 PM Subject: RE: ***SPAM*** Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight Radomir just received the quotes for his -7A and upon comparing notes, there doesn't appear to be any conventional gear penalty assigned to my RV-9. So those of you who are on the fence with regard to building a TW or NW, don't let the urban legend regarding insuring a tail wheel keep you from building the plane you REALY want. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dale Ensing Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 11:39 AM To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Subject: ***SPAM*** Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight Stan, I see that Ed Anderson already gave you an excellent explanations of the possible consequence of under insuring the hull. NationAir made sure I understood this when I first had to decide on the level of hull insurance. Thanks to the RVlist I was aware of the ramifications. The refusal of quotes was explained to me by an RV builder/insurance agent on the RVlist a few years ago. His explanation: When you work with an agent, they will contact the various insurance companies for pricing and availability of your insurance needs. After the initial quote to an agent, the insurance company would just be giving the same quote for the same circumstance to all the other agents that contact them. The one exception is Avemco as they deal direct. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: Speedy11@aol.com To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:16 AM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight Dale, What underinsured hull implications do you refer to? I've found the insurance people to have a policy of "honor among thieves." That is, if you have a quote or an active insurance policy, they will not talk to you or give you a quote. I've told them I will cancel my current policy if they would give me a quote. They refuse! They have an unwritten rule amongst themselves to not step on each others toes. Seems almost like collusion to keep prices high and create a sort of monopoly. Stan Sutterfield One other important point, are you aware of the implications of under insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance agents and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All other agents will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your needs. ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- See what's new="_blank">Make AOL Your Homepage. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.m atronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 07:20:42 PM PST US From: "Steve Crimm" Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions Nothing like a good challenge... Wants and wishes 1. IFR capable for x-country 2. 180 HP 3. Want to be able to burn car gas 4. Want slider with tip up option 5. Between the wife and I we weigh 420 lbs ( fat asses...my wife just read this and says she has a mature ass, mine is fat) 6. Want to carry a reasonable amount of baggage 7. Tri Gear 8. No acrobatics 9. No formation (been there done that in helicopters in the Army) 10. Wing leveler coupled to GPS (Alt hold would be really nice) 11. $80,000 budget ( now everyone laughs, he wants what for 80K) 12. Elec Flaps and trim 13. All the RV mods and stuff I need, that I don't know I should have or look for to be a happy RV'er 14. Constant speed prop Steve _____ From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Schreck Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 20:08 Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions Steve, There is an RV for you. Just decide what you want to do with it... cross country, IFR, acro, formation.. all of the above! Seriously, do an honest evalution of what you want from an airplane then let us bend your ear. the ball is in your court; what do you want/need to do? Ron Schreck RV-8, "Miss Izzy" Gold Hill Airpark, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Repucci Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions Steve, If you are not into acro, you might want to look at a -9A. They make a great X-C plane, haul a ton, are just about as fast as the 6's and 7's and cost more than a 6 but typically less than a 7. As for bending our ears, everything you read about them is true. That's why there are so many of the things flying. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Crimm Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:29 PM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions Gentlemen and Ladies, And I will use the gentlemen term loosely. I finalizing the sale of my Europa today and have been looking at lots of ads on Barnstormers and Trade A Plane for an RV-6A or RV-7A to fill that soon to be vacant spot in my hangar. Needless to say I have lots of questions and don't think it would be fair to the group to ask all my "want to be" questions on the forum. My final goal is an aircraft that will be easy for my wife and grand daughter to learn to fly in and that will let me do light IFR here in the southeast. Besides all the normal go fast and looks great aspects of these aircraft. So with that said, who or whom would like to step up to the plate and let me bend their ear about these wonderful aircraft you all operate. Thanks, Steve Crimm Roswell, GA href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matron ics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matron ics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:22:47 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight It's still collusion. Have you ever heard an independent insurance agent for homeowners, automotive, etc insurance tell you that? You can bet that the same underwriters (meaning the actual insurance companies, not the person sitting at the desk) give multiple agents quotes on the same property every day when they are working in other fields. I equate it to Lyc/Cont engine prices; they do it because they can. BTW, don't let them convince you that the high rates are due to 'liability', either. If the issue was liability, then why is $1M of liability only around $300-$400/yr, but $30K of hull is over twice that premium? Charlie Dale Ensing wrote: > Stan, > I see that Ed Anderson already gave you an excellent explanations of the > possible consequence of under insuring the hull. NationAir made sure I > understood this when I first had to decide on the level of hull > insurance. Thanks to the RVlist I was aware of the ramifications. > > The refusal of quotes was explained to me by an RV builder/insurance > agent on the RVlist a few years ago. His explanation: When you work with > an agent, they will contact the various insurance companies for pricing > and availability of your insurance needs. After the initial quote to an > agent, the insurance company would just be giving the same quote for the > same circumstance to all the other agents that contact them. The one > exception is Avemco as they deal direct. > Dale > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Speedy11@aol.com > *To:* rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com > > *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:16 AM > *Subject:* RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight > > Dale, > What underinsured hull implications do you refer to? > I've found the insurance people to have a policy of "honor among > thieves." That is, if you have a quote or an active insurance > policy, they will not talk to you or give you a quote. I've told > them I will cancel my current policy if they would give me a quote. > They refuse! They have an unwritten rule amongst themselves to not > step on each others toes. Seems almost like collusion to keep > prices high and create a sort of monopoly. > Stan Sutterfield > > > One other important point, are you aware of the implications of > under > insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance > agents > and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All > other agents > will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your needs. > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > See what's new="_blank">Make AOL Your Homepage. > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > > * > > * > > > * > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:33:09 PM PST US From: "Radomir Zaric" Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions You can get one that meets pretty much all of the requirements mentioned below for that money.. some assembly required, though. J From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Crimm Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:19 PM Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions Nothing like a good challenge... Wants and wishes 1. IFR capable for x-country 2. 180 HP 3. Want to be able to burn car gas 4. Want slider with tip up option 5. Between the wife and I we weigh 420 lbs ( fat asses...my wife just read this and says she has a mature ass, mine is fat) 6. Want to carry a reasonable amount of baggage 7. Tri Gear 8. No acrobatics 9. No formation (been there done that in helicopters in the Army) 10. Wing leveler coupled to GPS (Alt hold would be really nice) 11. $80,000 budget ( now everyone laughs, he wants what for 80K) 12. Elec Flaps and trim 13. All the RV mods and stuff I need, that I don't know I should have or look for to be a happy RV'er 14. Constant speed prop Steve ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:51 PM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight I agree. Told him is was a blatant restraint of trade. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Charlie England" Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:22 PM Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight > > > It's still collusion. Have you ever heard an independent insurance agent > for homeowners, automotive, etc insurance tell you that? > > You can bet that the same underwriters (meaning the actual insurance > companies, not the person sitting at the desk) give multiple agents quotes > on the same property every day when they are working in other fields. > > I equate it to Lyc/Cont engine prices; they do it because they can. > > BTW, don't let them convince you that the high rates are due to > 'liability', either. If the issue was liability, then why is $1M of > liability only around $300-$400/yr, but $30K of hull is over twice that > premium? > > Charlie > > Dale Ensing wrote: >> Stan, >> I see that Ed Anderson already gave you an excellent explanations of the >> possible consequence of under insuring the hull. NationAir made sure I >> understood this when I first had to decide on the level of hull >> insurance. Thanks to the RVlist I was aware of the ramifications. >> The refusal of quotes was explained to me by an RV builder/insurance >> agent on the RVlist a few years ago. His explanation: When you work with >> an agent, they will contact the various insurance companies for pricing >> and availability of your insurance needs. After the initial quote to an >> agent, the insurance company would just be giving the same quote for the >> same circumstance to all the other agents that contact them. The one >> exception is Avemco as they deal direct. >> Dale >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> *From:* Speedy11@aol.com >> *To:* rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com >> >> *Sent:* Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:16 AM >> *Subject:* RVSouthEast-List: Re: Insurance for First Flight >> >> Dale, >> What underinsured hull implications do you refer to? >> I've found the insurance people to have a policy of "honor among >> thieves." That is, if you have a quote or an active insurance >> policy, they will not talk to you or give you a quote. I've told >> them I will cancel my current policy if they would give me a quote. >> They refuse! They have an unwritten rule amongst themselves to not >> step on each others toes. Seems almost like collusion to keep >> prices high and create a sort of monopoly. >> Stan Sutterfield >> One other important point, are you aware of the implications of >> under >> insuring the hull? Also, once you contact one of the insurance >> agents >> and get a quote, the competions for your business ends. All >> other agents >> will be blocked by the insurance companies to quote on your >> needs. >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> See what's new="_blank">Make AOL Your Homepage. >> >> * >> >> >> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List >> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com >> >> * >> >> * >> >> >> * >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> > > > ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:40 PM PST US From: "Ron Schreck" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions Message Commander Tad, Can't make it myself. I leave for Spokane Saturday AM to go fetch a C-337. Smokey ----- Original Message ----- From: Tad Sargent To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 10:18 PM Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions I am commander of the B-17 this weekend and cannot formate. You guys getting together? ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Schreck Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 8:08 PM To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions Steve, There is an RV for you. Just decide what you want to do with it... cross country, IFR, acro, formation.. all of the above! Seriously, do an honest evalution of what you want from an airplane then let us bend your ear. the ball is in your court; what do you want/need to do? Ron Schreck RV-8, "Miss Izzy" Gold Hill Airpark, NC ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Repucci To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 9:06 PM Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions Steve, If you are not into acro, you might want to look at a -9A. They make a great X-C plane, haul a ton, are just about as fast as the 6's and 7's and cost more than a 6 but typically less than a 7. As for bending our ears, everything you read about them is true. That's why there are so many of the things flying. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Crimm Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2007 7:29 PM To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Lots of Questions Gentlemen and Ladies, And I will use the gentlemen term loosely. I finalizing the sale of my Europa today and have been looking at lots of ads on Barnstormers and Trade A Plane for an RV-6A or RV-7A to fill that soon to be vacant spot in my hangar. Needless to say I have lots of questions and don't think it would be fair to the group to ask all my "want to be" questions on the forum. My final goal is an aircraft that will be easy for my wife and grand daughter to learn to fly in and that will let me do light IFR here in the southeast. Besides all the normal go fast and looks great aspects of these aircraft. So with that said, who or whom would like to step up to the plate and let me bend their ear about these wonderful aircraft you all operate. 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