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0. 12:22 AM - What Listers Are Saying... (Matt Dralle)
1. 07:34 AM - Transiting ATL (George, Neal E Capt MIL USAF 605TES/TSI)
2. 08:29 AM - Re: Transiting ATL (Bret Smith)
3. 09:34 AM - Re: Transiting ATL (Dan Horton)
4. 11:32 AM - Re: Transiting ATL (MauleDriver)
5. 11:35 AM - Re: Transiting ATL (James Clark)
6. 11:46 AM - Re: Transiting ATL (George, Neal E Capt MIL USAF 605TES/TSI)
7. 12:20 PM - Re: Transiting ATL (Steve Glasgow)
8. 01:52 PM - Re: Transiting ATL (Dale Walter)
9. 06:05 PM - Aeroelectric seminar (Don Hall)
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Listers -
I have tried several times to crack the code for transiting the ATL
airspace, but can't seem to find the right phrase. I'm planning a trip
leg (IFR) from Columbia SC to Birmingham, AL. The direct route goes
right over Atlanta. I've come to expect a 30-mile divert around ATL,
but never know when or in which direction we'll be pushed. Altitude
seems to make no difference - I've been diverted at every altitude
between 8000 and 19000 ft. The chart shows the top of ATL at 12500.
Is there some secret phrase for transiting directly over ATL?
Or is it just not done?
Neal George
RV-7 N8ZG
(Gluing Canopy)
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| Subject: | Re: Transiting ATL |
Transiting ATLNeal,
How about filing VFR, request flight following and fly 13,500? ATC
(should) ok this and advise you to remain clear Class Bravo airspace.
I fly "over the top" all the time but not while filed IFR... that may be
the sticky wicket.
Bret Smith
RV-9A "Fuselage"
Blue Ridge, GA
www.FlightInnovations.com
----- Original Message -----
From: George, Neal E Capt MIL USAF 605TES/TSI
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:30 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Transiting ATL
Listers -
I have tried several times to crack the code for transiting the ATL
airspace, but can't seem to find the right phrase. I'm planning a trip
leg (IFR) from Columbia SC to Birmingham, AL. The direct route goes
right over Atlanta. I've come to expect a 30-mile divert around ATL,
but never know when or in which direction we'll be pushed. Altitude
seems to make no difference - I've been diverted at every altitude
between 8000 and 19000 ft. The chart shows the top of ATL at 12500.
Is there some secret phrase for transiting directly over ATL?
Or is it just not done?
Neal George
RV-7 N8ZG
(Gluing Canopy)
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| Subject: | Re: Transiting ATL |
Neal,
If you file IFR they must maintain separation...dat's da rules. Given
Atlanta's air carrier volume, you're not gonna get preference over a
load of citizens in an Airbus that already did a ground hold at
departure.
Maybe you should just "divert" early, on purpose. Filing a route as far
north as Nello intersection only adds a grand total of 13 miles as
compared to going direct through the airliner bowl....one gallon in the
Cherokee Jet <g>
Dan
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| Subject: | Re: Transiting ATL |
As has been suggested, the code can be as simple as "VFR" if that works
for you. Seems like every Class B (and C) has their own template for
how they are going to handle transitioning traffic. Doesn't effect you
VFR unless you let it.
I'm not advocating being a fly in the airspace ointment , just that
the template isn't normally shared with us. Just because they route you
around at 13,000 when IFR, doesn't imply that they wouldn't be totally
comfortable with you going straight over the top at 13,500. If they
aren't, they will try to get you out of there - and it's probably a good
idea to take the hint. But I wouldn't make the assumption unless tested.
I recently filed IFR from (near) ABE in PA to Montauk LI - direct route
takes you right over the center of the NY Class B. The Class B tops at
7000, I filed direct at 9000. But after taking off I got a routing that
would take me north of airspace, up the CT shoreline then over to LI.
After wearing out a pencil lead and trying to digest half of what I
wrote down, I just waited until I cleared a scattered deck at 7,
cancelled IFR and announced I was going direct Montauk at 9500. No
Problem, just let us know of any altitude change.
I returned essentially the same way except I didn't file this time.
Just requested FF direct over the top at 8500. Despite making the
flight at evening rush/push, I never got a request for a deviation, only
traffic calls including (2) planned 500' separations that would have
looked like near misses if not planned and expected. Nothing like
watching NYC light up like a 3D pinball machine from the almost
stationary perch of my Maule.... but that's NYC where Ciao is official
ATC speak.
Anyway, for years Charlotte's template seemed to negate any overflight -
VFR or IFR. Not if they could help it. Then about 5 years ago, the
template changed and I began getting routed right dead center over the
top. Go figure.
I'd say use the VFR option when it makes sense. Sometimes in heavy
traffic but good viz, it may actually make it easier for all involved.
George, Neal E Capt MIL USAF 605TES/TSI wrote:
>
> Listers -
>
> I have tried several times to crack the code for transiting the ATL
> airspace, but can't seem to find the right phrase. I'm planning a
> trip leg (IFR) from Columbia SC to Birmingham, AL. The direct route
> goes right over Atlanta. I've come to expect a 30-mile divert around
> ATL, but never know when or in which direction we'll be pushed.
> Altitude seems to make no difference - I've been diverted at every
> altitude between 8000 and 19000 ft. The chart shows the top of ATL at
> 12500.
>
> Is there some secret phrase for transiting directly over ATL?
> Or is it just not done?
>
> Neal George
> RV-7 N8ZG
> (Gluing Canopy)
>
> *
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Transiting ATL |
Neal,
Not an answer to your question but are you building in Columbia???????
If so, where??
We have 5 RV7 projects happening on the field at Owens.
Just curious.
James
RV6 flying, RV6A under (infinite) construction :-)
On Nov 7, 2007 10:30 AM, George, Neal E Capt MIL USAF 605TES/TSI <
Neal.George@hurlburt.af.mil> wrote:
> Listers -
>
> I have tried several times to crack the code for transiting the ATL
> airspace, but can't seem to find the right phrase. I'm planning a trip leg
> (IFR) from Columbia SC to Birmingham, AL. The direct route goes right over
> Atlanta. I've come to expect a 30-mile divert around ATL, but never know
> when or in which direction we'll be pushed. Altitude seems to make no
> difference - I've been diverted at every altitude between 8000 and 19000
> ft. The chart shows the top of ATL at 12500.
>
> Is there some secret phrase for transiting directly over ATL?
> Or is it just not done?
>
> Neal George
> RV-7 N8ZG
> (Gluing Canopy)
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
--
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james@nextupventures.com .
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Naw... Going up for a meeting...maybe...if the planets align.
I'm stationed at Hurlburt, living and building about 15 miles west in
Navarre, FL.
Capt Neal George
605TES/TSI
Hurlburt Field, FL 32544
850-884-9121
DSN 579-9121
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From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James
Clark
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 1:34 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Transiting ATL
Neal,
Not an answer to your question but are you building in Columbia???????
If so, where??
We have 5 RV7 projects happening on the field at Owens.
Just curious.
James
RV6 flying, RV6A under (infinite) construction :-)
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| Subject: | Re: Transiting ATL |
Transiting ATLNo just go at 12500 and don't call anyone.
----- Original Message -----
From: George, Neal E Capt MIL USAF 605TES/TSI
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:30 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Transiting ATL
Listers -
I have tried several times to crack the code for transiting the ATL
airspace, but can't seem to find the right phrase. I'm planning a trip
leg (IFR) from Columbia SC to Birmingham, AL. The direct route goes
right over Atlanta. I've come to expect a 30-mile divert around ATL,
but never know when or in which direction we'll be pushed. Altitude
seems to make no difference - I've been diverted at every altitude
between 8000 and 19000 ft. The chart shows the top of ATL at 12500.
Is there some secret phrase for transiting directly over ATL?
Or is it just not done?
Neal George
RV-7 N8ZG
(Gluing Canopy)
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Right, I call them when I need them. That is rare, and half of those times
it does not help.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsJM_y0ru8M
See and hear the beautiful rumble of 4 radials on the B-17, captured the
smoky start up and take off. hope youall like it.
Happy landings,
Dale
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From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Glasgow
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:17 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Transiting ATL
No just go at 12500 and don't call anyone.
----- Original Message -----
From: George, <mailto:Neal.George@hurlburt.af.mil> Neal E Capt MIL USAF
605TES/TSI
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:30 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Transiting ATL
Listers -
I have tried several times to crack the code for transiting the ATL
airspace, but can't seem to find the right phrase. I'm planning a trip leg
(IFR) from Columbia SC to Birmingham, AL. The direct route goes right over
Atlanta. I've come to expect a 30-mile divert around ATL, but never know
when or in which direction we'll be pushed. Altitude seems to make no
difference - I've been diverted at every altitude between 8000 and 19000 ft.
The chart shows the top of ATL at 12500.
Is there some secret phrase for transiting directly over ATL?
Or is it just not done?
Neal George
RV-7 N8ZG
(Gluing Canopy)
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| Subject: | Aeroelectric seminar |
If you're interested in attending an Aeroelectric Seminar in the Atlanta
area, I'm trying to round up enough to get Bob on the calendar for some time
in 1Q 2008.
Please email me privately and I'll add you to my "interested" list.
Thanks,
******************************************
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N517DG (registered)
rv7 finishing
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From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George,
Neal E Capt MIL USAF 605TES/TSI
Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:30 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Transiting ATL
Listers -
I have tried several times to crack the code for transiting the ATL
airspace, but can't seem to find the right phrase. I'm planning a trip leg
(IFR) from Columbia SC to Birmingham, AL. The direct route goes right over
Atlanta. I've come to expect a 30-mile divert around ATL, but never know
when or in which direction we'll be pushed. Altitude seems to make no
difference - I've been diverted at every altitude between 8000 and 19000 ft.
The chart shows the top of ATL at 12500.
Is there some secret phrase for transiting directly over ATL?
Or is it just not done?
Neal George
RV-7 N8ZG
(Gluing Canopy)
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