---------------------------------------------------------- RVSouthEast-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 11/07/07: 10 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 0. 12:22 AM - What Listers Are Saying... (Matt Dralle) 1. 07:34 AM - Transiting ATL (George, Neal E Capt MIL USAF 605TES/TSI) 2. 08:29 AM - Re: Transiting ATL (Bret Smith) 3. 09:34 AM - Re: Transiting ATL (Dan Horton) 4. 11:32 AM - Re: Transiting ATL (MauleDriver) 5. 11:35 AM - Re: Transiting ATL (James Clark) 6. 11:46 AM - Re: Transiting ATL (George, Neal E Capt MIL USAF 605TES/TSI) 7. 12:20 PM - Re: Transiting ATL (Steve Glasgow) 8. 01:52 PM - Re: Transiting ATL (Dale Walter) 9. 06:05 PM - Aeroelectric seminar (Don Hall) ________________________________ Message 0 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:59 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RVSouthEast-List: What Listers Are Saying... 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Albert G. ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:17 AM PST US Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Transiting ATL From: "George, Neal E Capt MIL USAF 605TES/TSI" Listers - I have tried several times to crack the code for transiting the ATL airspace, but can't seem to find the right phrase. I'm planning a trip leg (IFR) from Columbia SC to Birmingham, AL. The direct route goes right over Atlanta. I've come to expect a 30-mile divert around ATL, but never know when or in which direction we'll be pushed. Altitude seems to make no difference - I've been diverted at every altitude between 8000 and 19000 ft. The chart shows the top of ATL at 12500. Is there some secret phrase for transiting directly over ATL? Or is it just not done? Neal George RV-7 N8ZG (Gluing Canopy) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:29:25 AM PST US From: "Bret Smith" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Transiting ATL Transiting ATLNeal, How about filing VFR, request flight following and fly 13,500? ATC (should) ok this and advise you to remain clear Class Bravo airspace. I fly "over the top" all the time but not while filed IFR... that may be the sticky wicket. Bret Smith RV-9A "Fuselage" Blue Ridge, GA www.FlightInnovations.com ----- Original Message ----- From: George, Neal E Capt MIL USAF 605TES/TSI To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:30 AM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Transiting ATL Listers - I have tried several times to crack the code for transiting the ATL airspace, but can't seem to find the right phrase. I'm planning a trip leg (IFR) from Columbia SC to Birmingham, AL. The direct route goes right over Atlanta. I've come to expect a 30-mile divert around ATL, but never know when or in which direction we'll be pushed. Altitude seems to make no difference - I've been diverted at every altitude between 8000 and 19000 ft. The chart shows the top of ATL at 12500. Is there some secret phrase for transiting directly over ATL? Or is it just not done? Neal George RV-7 N8ZG (Gluing Canopy) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:34:49 AM PST US From: "Dan Horton" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Transiting ATL Neal, If you file IFR they must maintain separation...dat's da rules. Given Atlanta's air carrier volume, you're not gonna get preference over a load of citizens in an Airbus that already did a ground hold at departure. Maybe you should just "divert" early, on purpose. Filing a route as far north as Nello intersection only adds a grand total of 13 miles as compared to going direct through the airliner bowl....one gallon in the Cherokee Jet Dan ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:32:24 AM PST US From: MauleDriver Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Transiting ATL As has been suggested, the code can be as simple as "VFR" if that works for you. Seems like every Class B (and C) has their own template for how they are going to handle transitioning traffic. Doesn't effect you VFR unless you let it. I'm not advocating being a fly in the airspace ointment , just that the template isn't normally shared with us. Just because they route you around at 13,000 when IFR, doesn't imply that they wouldn't be totally comfortable with you going straight over the top at 13,500. If they aren't, they will try to get you out of there - and it's probably a good idea to take the hint. But I wouldn't make the assumption unless tested. I recently filed IFR from (near) ABE in PA to Montauk LI - direct route takes you right over the center of the NY Class B. The Class B tops at 7000, I filed direct at 9000. But after taking off I got a routing that would take me north of airspace, up the CT shoreline then over to LI. After wearing out a pencil lead and trying to digest half of what I wrote down, I just waited until I cleared a scattered deck at 7, cancelled IFR and announced I was going direct Montauk at 9500. No Problem, just let us know of any altitude change. I returned essentially the same way except I didn't file this time. Just requested FF direct over the top at 8500. Despite making the flight at evening rush/push, I never got a request for a deviation, only traffic calls including (2) planned 500' separations that would have looked like near misses if not planned and expected. Nothing like watching NYC light up like a 3D pinball machine from the almost stationary perch of my Maule.... but that's NYC where Ciao is official ATC speak. Anyway, for years Charlotte's template seemed to negate any overflight - VFR or IFR. Not if they could help it. Then about 5 years ago, the template changed and I began getting routed right dead center over the top. Go figure. I'd say use the VFR option when it makes sense. Sometimes in heavy traffic but good viz, it may actually make it easier for all involved. George, Neal E Capt MIL USAF 605TES/TSI wrote: > > Listers - > > I have tried several times to crack the code for transiting the ATL > airspace, but can't seem to find the right phrase. I'm planning a > trip leg (IFR) from Columbia SC to Birmingham, AL. The direct route > goes right over Atlanta. I've come to expect a 30-mile divert around > ATL, but never know when or in which direction we'll be pushed. > Altitude seems to make no difference - I've been diverted at every > altitude between 8000 and 19000 ft. The chart shows the top of ATL at > 12500. > > Is there some secret phrase for transiting directly over ATL? > Or is it just not done? > > Neal George > RV-7 N8ZG > (Gluing Canopy) > > * > * ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:35:33 AM PST US From: "James Clark" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Transiting ATL Neal, Not an answer to your question but are you building in Columbia??????? If so, where?? We have 5 RV7 projects happening on the field at Owens. Just curious. James RV6 flying, RV6A under (infinite) construction :-) On Nov 7, 2007 10:30 AM, George, Neal E Capt MIL USAF 605TES/TSI < Neal.George@hurlburt.af.mil> wrote: > Listers - > > I have tried several times to crack the code for transiting the ATL > airspace, but can't seem to find the right phrase. I'm planning a trip leg > (IFR) from Columbia SC to Birmingham, AL. The direct route goes right over > Atlanta. I've come to expect a 30-mile divert around ATL, but never know > when or in which direction we'll be pushed. Altitude seems to make no > difference - I've been diverted at every altitude between 8000 and 19000 > ft. The chart shows the top of ATL at 12500. > > Is there some secret phrase for transiting directly over ATL? > Or is it just not done? > > Neal George > RV-7 N8ZG > (Gluing Canopy) > > * > > * > > -- This is an alternate email. Please continue to email me at james@nextupventures.com . ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:46:14 AM PST US Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Transiting ATL From: "George, Neal E Capt MIL USAF 605TES/TSI" Naw... Going up for a meeting...maybe...if the planets align. I'm stationed at Hurlburt, living and building about 15 miles west in Navarre, FL. Capt Neal George 605TES/TSI Hurlburt Field, FL 32544 850-884-9121 DSN 579-9121 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of James Clark Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 1:34 PM Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Transiting ATL Neal, Not an answer to your question but are you building in Columbia??????? If so, where?? We have 5 RV7 projects happening on the field at Owens. Just curious. James RV6 flying, RV6A under (infinite) construction :-) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 12:20:19 PM PST US From: "Steve Glasgow" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Transiting ATL Transiting ATLNo just go at 12500 and don't call anyone. ----- Original Message ----- From: George, Neal E Capt MIL USAF 605TES/TSI To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:30 AM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Transiting ATL Listers - I have tried several times to crack the code for transiting the ATL airspace, but can't seem to find the right phrase. I'm planning a trip leg (IFR) from Columbia SC to Birmingham, AL. The direct route goes right over Atlanta. I've come to expect a 30-mile divert around ATL, but never know when or in which direction we'll be pushed. Altitude seems to make no difference - I've been diverted at every altitude between 8000 and 19000 ft. The chart shows the top of ATL at 12500. Is there some secret phrase for transiting directly over ATL? Or is it just not done? Neal George RV-7 N8ZG (Gluing Canopy) ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:52:19 PM PST US From: "Dale Walter" Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Transiting ATL Right, I call them when I need them. That is rare, and half of those times it does not help. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsJM_y0ru8M See and hear the beautiful rumble of 4 radials on the B-17, captured the smoky start up and take off. hope youall like it. Happy landings, Dale _____ From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve Glasgow Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 3:17 PM Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Transiting ATL No just go at 12500 and don't call anyone. ----- Original Message ----- From: George, Neal E Capt MIL USAF 605TES/TSI Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:30 AM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Transiting ATL Listers - I have tried several times to crack the code for transiting the ATL airspace, but can't seem to find the right phrase. I'm planning a trip leg (IFR) from Columbia SC to Birmingham, AL. The direct route goes right over Atlanta. I've come to expect a 30-mile divert around ATL, but never know when or in which direction we'll be pushed. Altitude seems to make no difference - I've been diverted at every altitude between 8000 and 19000 ft. The chart shows the top of ATL at 12500. Is there some secret phrase for transiting directly over ATL? Or is it just not done? Neal George RV-7 N8ZG (Gluing Canopy) href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:23 PM PST US From: "Don Hall" Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Aeroelectric seminar If you're interested in attending an Aeroelectric Seminar in the Atlanta area, I'm trying to round up enough to get Bob on the calendar for some time in 1Q 2008. Please email me privately and I'll add you to my "interested" list. Thanks, ****************************************** Don Hall N517DG (registered) rv7 finishing ****************************************** _____ From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of George, Neal E Capt MIL USAF 605TES/TSI Sent: Wednesday, November 07, 2007 10:30 AM Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Transiting ATL Listers - I have tried several times to crack the code for transiting the ATL airspace, but can't seem to find the right phrase. I'm planning a trip leg (IFR) from Columbia SC to Birmingham, AL. The direct route goes right over Atlanta. I've come to expect a 30-mile divert around ATL, but never know when or in which direction we'll be pushed. Altitude seems to make no difference - I've been diverted at every altitude between 8000 and 19000 ft. The chart shows the top of ATL at 12500. Is there some secret phrase for transiting directly over ATL? Or is it just not done? 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