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1. 03:33 AM - Re: EAA 1423 Spring Fly-in (Dale Ensing)
2. 03:45 AM - Re: EAA 1423 Spring Fly-in (Dale Ensing)
3. 03:45 AM - Re: EAA 1423 Spring Fly-in (Steve Glasgow)
4. 03:48 AM - Re: Re: EAA 1423 Spring Fly-in (Ron Schreck)
5. 05:09 AM - Re: Race to Ridgeland, 3 May, 2008 (Randy)
6. 06:44 AM - Re: Aircraft Insurance - for 9A (Becki)
7. 07:44 AM - Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 04/21/08 (lee.logan@gulfstream.com)
8. 12:11 PM - Re: Aircraft Insurance - for 9A (NationAir)
9. 04:48 PM - Re: Re: Aircraft Insurance - for 9A (Dan Horton)
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| Subject: | Re: EAA 1423 Spring Fly-in |
George,
Does South Oaks Aerodrome have a North Carolina airport letter/number
designator?
Dale Ensing
----- Original Message -----
From: George Tamvakis
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:03 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: EAA 1423 Spring Fly-in
I just want to take the opportunity to invite all to our first annual
Spring Fly in at Eaa1423 this coming Saturday the 26th.
We are located in Eastern North Carolina about 65 miles east of
Raleigh at South Oaks Airpark in Winterville NC.
Foe more information check us out at www.eaa1423.org or at
www.southoaksaerodrome.org .
We will start at 10:00 am until 2:00pm looking forward on seeing you
all there.
Thanks for your support
George Tamvakis
RV 7A (wiring/plumbing & more)
EAA 1423
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| Subject: | Re: EAA 1423 Spring Fly-in |
Whoops! Sorry Geroge. Missed the NC47 on the web page the first time.
Dale
do not archieve
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: EAA 1423 Spring Fly-in
George,
Does South Oaks Aerodrome have a North Carolina airport letter/number
designator?
Dale Ensing
----- Original Message -----
From: George Tamvakis
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:03 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: EAA 1423 Spring Fly-in
I just want to take the opportunity to invite all to our first
annual Spring Fly in at Eaa1423 this coming Saturday the 26th.
We are located in Eastern North Carolina about 65 miles east of
Raleigh at South Oaks Airpark in Winterville NC.
Foe more information check us out at www.eaa1423.org or at
www.southoaksaerodrome.org .
We will start at 10:00 am until 2:00pm looking forward on seeing you
all there.
Thanks for your support
George Tamvakis
RV 7A (wiring/plumbing & more)
EAA 1423
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| Subject: | Re: EAA 1423 Spring Fly-in |
Go to www.southoaksaerodrome.org to find it. NC47 Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Dale Ensing
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 6:30 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: EAA 1423 Spring Fly-in
George,
Does South Oaks Aerodrome have a North Carolina airport letter/number
designator?
Dale Ensing
----- Original Message -----
From: George Tamvakis
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:03 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: EAA 1423 Spring Fly-in
I just want to take the opportunity to invite all to our first
annual Spring Fly in at Eaa1423 this coming Saturday the 26th.
We are located in Eastern North Carolina about 65 miles east of
Raleigh at South Oaks Airpark in Winterville NC.
Foe more information check us out at www.eaa1423.org or at
www.southoaksaerodrome.org .
We will start at 10:00 am until 2:00pm looking forward on seeing you
all there.
Thanks for your support
George Tamvakis
RV 7A (wiring/plumbing & more)
EAA 1423
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| Subject: | Re: EAA 1423 Spring Fly-in |
Dale,
Check out NC47.
http://airnav.com/airport/NC47
Smokey
>
> From: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
> Date: 2008/04/22 Tue AM 06:30:37 EDT
> To: <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: EAA 1423 Spring Fly-in
>
> George,
> Does South Oaks Aerodrome have a North Carolina airport letter/number designator?
> Dale Ensing
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: George Tamvakis
> To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 2:03 PM
> Subject: RVSouthEast-List: EAA 1423 Spring Fly-in
>
>
> I just want to take the opportunity to invite all to our first annual Spring
Fly in at Eaa1423 this coming Saturday the 26th.
>
> We are located in Eastern North Carolina about 65 miles east of Raleigh at
South Oaks Airpark in Winterville NC.
>
> Foe more information check us out at www.eaa1423.org or at www.southoaksaerodrome.org .
>
> We will start at 10:00 am until 2:00pm looking forward on seeing you all there.
>
>
>
> Thanks for your support
>
> George Tamvakis
>
> RV 7A (wiring/plumbing & more)
>
> EAA 1423
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Race to Ridgeland, 3 May, 2008 |
I'll be there if the creek don't rise!
Randy Utsey
N55CU / RV-7
D.J. Distributing Co.
1429 Bryant St.
Charlotte, NC 28208
800-585-4126
djdist@bellsouth.net
www.djdist.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Glasgow
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 6:15 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Race to Ridgeland, 3 May, 2008
Lee, WX permitting Cappy is IN. I hope everyone else is to.
----- Original Message -----
From: lee.logan@gulfstream.com
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:27 AM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Race to Ridgeland, 3 May, 2008
Everyone: Just a reminder that the "Race to Ridgeland" at the
Ridgeland,
SC (3J1) Airport is coming up in two weeks on May 3rd. Please see
our
website at www.racetoridgeland.com for details. The "Race" will be
just
one of the highlights of a great flying day which will also include
trophies for the Spot Landing Contest (won last year by a Navy pilot
in a
CJ-6; go figure!), lot's of formation flying, a Globe Swift
"gathering",
radio control aircraft for kids young and old, "church lady" food
and
beverages, hats and T-shirts, a vintage aircraft "parade", a new
Mooney
Acclaim demonstrator on display, and much more. In addition, David
Allen
of the Allen Groupe has kindly donated two "aircraft detailing kits"
which
will be given away as the "Commissioner's Choice" for whichever
aircraft he
likes the best, or for whatever he decides!
Anyway, we are hoping that the Southeast Squadron will be well
represented.
Check out the race: You just fly to Ridgeland, hit the start/finish
line
(as detailed in the rules on the website), fly the course and stop
your
stopwatch as you cross the finish line back at Ridgeland at the end
of the
race (approx. 125nm later). Trophies for "Fastest Overall" and for
the
first three places on "handicap". Again, the details are on the
website.
Hope to see you all Features Chat, --> http://www.mp;
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Insurance - for 9A |
Roger,
Congratulations on your plane! Hope you are enjoying it. Glad we could
help.
Becki Orndorff
----- Original Message -----
From: "Roger Edwards" <rledwards9@yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:55 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Aircraft Insurance - for 9A
> <rledwards9@yahoo.com>
>
>
> Thanks, Becki, I finished my RV6 last year using your
> videos and it came out great. Thanks again. I'll
> give them a call.
> Roger Edwards N666R SPG
>
> --- Becki <becki@fly-gbi.com> wrote:
>
>> We use Mac McGee - Aviation Unlimited Agency
>> (AUA) in Greensboro. Best rates we've found
>> anywhere. His number is 336-668-3410 or
>> 800-727-3823. Tell him George and Becki sent you.
>>
>> Becki Orndorff
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RVSouthEast-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 04/21/08 |
Garry, Cappy, Ron, James, and all the rest: Thanks for checking in. Yes,
Ron is right, we're in South Carolina---sorry, I figured just about
everyone on this list would know about www.airnav.com and to just search on
3J1, as indicated. Don't forget the Race to Ridgeland website
(www.racetoridgeland.com), it is really the best reference for all the
details on the race, spot landing contest, Swift Fly-in, and all the other
events.
Hope a ton of you guys show up---we're really expecting a good time for
all! Bring some good weather with you, please!!
Lee...
Lee Logan
Government Programs and Sales Support
Gulfstream Aerospace Corporation
Savannah, Georgia
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Insurance - for 9A |
[quote="rickgray(at)roadrunner.co"]I 'used' to recommend Nation Air as well. I
probably (regretfully) sent a couple dozen RV folks to them. They were GREAT...right
up until I had a claim due to an engine out off airport landing. They
finally paid off but when I wanted to insure another RV they MORE THAN DOUBLED
my premium for the same hull value and blamed the rate increase on the claim
and AIG when asked why the HUGE increase. I told them 'no thank you' and
called Mac at AUA. After telling Mac about the claim and Nation Air.....AUA (Mac)
provided me with the same hull value for the same premium I was paying before
the accident......through AIG. Hmmm...go figure. There's more to the story
but if I told the rest you'd think I was just here to put down Nation Air....I'm
not....just sharing a couple of facts...you can make up your own mind.
The short of it is that they were super as long as I was paying my premium....when
I needed them the most they weren't my friends anymore. I would NEVER
recommend Nation Air again.
Rick in Ohio at the Buffalo Farm
> ---
I would like to clarify a few things regarding this loss. First, some industry
basics for clarification purposes. There are three parties involved in every
insurance transaction They are the insured (owner of the aircraft), the broker
( the person/company who gets the quotes and collects the premium for the underwriter)
and the underwriter/insurance company(actual company that insures
the aircraft and pays the claims. The broker pays the company out of the premium
you send him/her). A broker does not pay claims. A broker does not set
insurance rates. There are several mentions above stating that NationAir took
a long time to pay and that NationAir was doubling his premium. We do not control
the payment of claims - the underwriter / insurance company does. We can
help the process move along by making sure the insured knows what information
he may need to bring the claim to a settlement, but somethings are out of our
hands. We do not control rates, we simply let you know the rates and the coverages
associated with those rates. We negotiate when we can the best rates
and coverages for you and your aircraft.
The loss occurred the same day the policy was started.
The reason the claim payout took as long as it did was the title to the aircraft
was not clear. In order for any insurance company to pay on a total loss, they
need clear title because they take the aircraft and sell the salvage. Because
the loss occurred same day as the purchase, a clear title was not readily
available. It took approximately 60 days from the date of loss to go through
this process and pay the claim for the FULL stated hull value of the aircraft.
As for the premium, the insurance company only charged one day of premium for
this total loss payout.
The reason for the insurance increase was due to the fact the underwriter (EAA
Program underwriter Global Aerospace) had just paid out a significant loss and
collected very little premium. The loss was not Ricks fault, but the insurance
principle is similar to homeowners insurance, if they pay a large loss even
if it is not your fault, they may surcharge you for a year or two to help offset
the loss ratio against you. That was the case here.
In the past our industry, especially the underwriters, typically would decline
to quote new business that had a recent loss even whether or not the loss was
the pilots fault. We tried to negotiate with Global on the rate because we felt
it was high, but they would not budge. We also approached AIG I actually
went to the top man the Manager for their Eastern Division and received a quote
which was even higher than the Global quote. Typically in AIGs quoting system
the underwriters are supposed to check each risk to see if it has been previously
quoted. In this case that did not happen and a line underwriter quoted
the risk to a different broker, lower than what the branch manager had quoted.
It is very rare that this occurs, but it does occur.
I want to assure all of you that we take your business seriously and we are your
advocates at any renewal or in any claim. I know this business very well having
done aviation insurance claims for Avemco and U.S. Specialty and having been
an aviation underwriter at USAIG. At NationAir we have a dedicated agent
in Jenny Estes that focuses on the needs of RV builders and flyers. Together
our office focuses on light aircraft including RVs and this is all we do, so
your account doesnt get pushed aside so we can work on a charter account or corporate
flight department.
There are many good brokers in this industry SkySmith, Falcon name a few. Pick
the one that will give you the best service and rates. Falcon is the broker
for the EAA Program - BUT that program available to all brokers at the same rates
they do not get additional discounts. Falcon is not the EAA insurance company
Global Aerospace is.
--------
David McCoy
Branch Manager
Light Aircraft Division
NationAir Aviation Insurance
www.nationair.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=178505#178505
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| Subject: | Re: Aircraft Insurance - for 9A |
<<Typically in AIG's quoting system the underwriters are supposed to check
each risk to see if it has been previously quoted. >>
David, thank you for your explanation, but I must say the "quote capture"
system referenced above is perhaps the single most irritating thing about
aircraft insurance. It is an anti-competitive price-fixing game designed
to protect broker commissions. First broker to obtain a quote from a
particular underwriter has you captured....which is why every broker's first
request is "let me get you a quote". Sure, you can chat with him all you
like, but when he gives you a price, you're locked; in theory you can't get
a quote from another broker for insurance with that same underwriter.
Ahh, but you say all quotes from the same underwriter would all be the same
anyway? Well, yes they would, IF the brokers all agreed to not discount
commissions. However, that would be unlikely in a free market, and probably
illegal anyway.
Imagine a system where the first Chevy dealer to register your name with GM
was the only dealer allowed to sell you a car....and as such, his profit was
non-negotiable.
Dan Horton
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