---------------------------------------------------------- RVSouthEast-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/29/08: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:42 AM - Re: Icom A200 (Ed Anderson) 2. 08:17 AM - Re: Icom A200 (Ed Anderson) 3. 08:26 AM - Re: Icom A200 (Ed Anderson) 4. 08:44 AM - Re: Icom A200 (Bill Boyd) 5. 01:26 PM - Re: Icom A200 (Ed Anderson) 6. 01:47 PM - Re: Icom A200 (Bill Boyd) 7. 06:44 PM - Emailing: 10064714-6b (Ed Anderson) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:16 AM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Icom A200 Bill, I do a lot of search and buying of electronic components - do you have a part number as I do find Alps encoders on the net just not certain which specific one you require?? Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html _____ From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Boyd Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:32 PM Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Icom A200 Believe it or not, on a lark, I took the darn thing out of the panel and laid it open: broken outer shaft on the concentric encoder switch was the problem. Easily unsoldered, removed, opened the switch body. Lots of teenie weenie innards. Jeweler's loupes were brought out. Shaft is brass - was able to silver solder the thing back together and re-assemble the switch (if you saw it you would not beleive it was possible to do in a home workshop). Put the radio back in the panel and it worked! (Past tense). Naturally, the solder joint failed after the first few minutes of playing with it, so now it's back to broken status. I'd rather discover this on the ground than on a X/C. I kinda thought it would happen - solder is not a structural material, really. Too bad Icom won't sell me the $25 part (Alps 3-gang rotary encoder) and I cannot find it on the 'net. The avionics monopoly wins this round. Well, I now have two hours of my time in this thing, about enough to buy a new one, so I'm done messing around, but it was a fun exercise. I might open a watch repair business on the side, as I discovered talents and patience I didn't know I had. -Bill On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Bill Repucci wrote: I'm not really sure why you need a radio. Just stay out of controlled airspace and keep your eyes open. Bill From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Boyd Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:21 PM aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Icom A200 Fellow aviators: A few weeks back I loaded a heavy, folding shade tent into the pax seat of my RV-6A to take to a neighbor's fly-in event, in the process bumping the tuning knob of my Icom A200 radio and bending its shaft. The radio has since stopped responding to turning the outer ring (MHz) selector, and needs repair. I'm not afraid to try this repair myself if I can get my hands on a replacement concentric optical shaft encoder that is a proper fit, nor opposed to sending the radio off for repair by an avionics shop is I can find a reasonable quote. Menawhile, looking for a loaner radio while I get the repairs done, or a good deal on a replacement A200 if I decide to swap first / repair later. Any help out there? Thanks, Bill B/ Stormy RV-6A http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List a>http://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:17:47 AM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Icom A200 Bill, While I could not find an ALPs 3 model, I notice several hollow shaft encoders of ALPs that are designed to be ganged (several layers) on a shaft. Something like this one: http://www3.alps.com/WebObjects/catalog.woa/E/PDF/Switch/Encoder/SRGPSJ/SRGP SJ.PDF Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html _____ From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Boyd Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:32 PM Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Icom A200 Believe it or not, on a lark, I took the darn thing out of the panel and laid it open: broken outer shaft on the concentric encoder switch was the problem. Easily unsoldered, removed, opened the switch body. Lots of teenie weenie innards. Jeweler's loupes were brought out. Shaft is brass - was able to silver solder the thing back together and re-assemble the switch (if you saw it you would not beleive it was possible to do in a home workshop). Put the radio back in the panel and it worked! (Past tense). Naturally, the solder joint failed after the first few minutes of playing with it, so now it's back to broken status. I'd rather discover this on the ground than on a X/C. I kinda thought it would happen - solder is not a structural material, really. Too bad Icom won't sell me the $25 part (Alps 3-gang rotary encoder) and I cannot find it on the 'net. The avionics monopoly wins this round. Well, I now have two hours of my time in this thing, about enough to buy a new one, so I'm done messing around, but it was a fun exercise. I might open a watch repair business on the side, as I discovered talents and patience I didn't know I had. -Bill On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Bill Repucci wrote: I'm not really sure why you need a radio. Just stay out of controlled airspace and keep your eyes open. Bill From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Boyd Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:21 PM aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Icom A200 Fellow aviators: A few weeks back I loaded a heavy, folding shade tent into the pax seat of my RV-6A to take to a neighbor's fly-in event, in the process bumping the tuning knob of my Icom A200 radio and bending its shaft. The radio has since stopped responding to turning the outer ring (MHz) selector, and needs repair. I'm not afraid to try this repair myself if I can get my hands on a replacement concentric optical shaft encoder that is a proper fit, nor opposed to sending the radio off for repair by an avionics shop is I can find a reasonable quote. Menawhile, looking for a loaner radio while I get the repairs done, or a good deal on a replacement A200 if I decide to swap first / repair later. Any help out there? Thanks, Bill B/ Stormy RV-6A http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List a>http://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:26:49 AM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Icom A200 This seems to be the primary catalog for ALPS encoders - might be something of interest - but, if your data does not have any specs or details on times - might be hard to match. http://www3.alps.com/WebObjects/catalog.woa/E/PDF/Switch/Encoder/ENCODER_IND EX.PDF Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html _____ From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 11:15 AM Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Icom A200 Bill, While I could not find an ALPs 3 model, I notice several hollow shaft encoders of ALPs that are designed to be ganged (several layers) on a shaft. Something like this one: http://www3.alps.com/WebObjects/catalog.woa/E/PDF/Switch/Encoder/SRGPSJ/SRGP SJ.PDF Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html _____ From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Boyd Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:32 PM Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Icom A200 Believe it or not, on a lark, I took the darn thing out of the panel and laid it open: broken outer shaft on the concentric encoder switch was the problem. Easily unsoldered, removed, opened the switch body. Lots of teenie weenie innards. Jeweler's loupes were brought out. Shaft is brass - was able to silver solder the thing back together and re-assemble the switch (if you saw it you would not beleive it was possible to do in a home workshop). Put the radio back in the panel and it worked! (Past tense). Naturally, the solder joint failed after the first few minutes of playing with it, so now it's back to broken status. I'd rather discover this on the ground than on a X/C. I kinda thought it would happen - solder is not a structural material, really. Too bad Icom won't sell me the $25 part (Alps 3-gang rotary encoder) and I cannot find it on the 'net. The avionics monopoly wins this round. Well, I now have two hours of my time in this thing, about enough to buy a new one, so I'm done messing around, but it was a fun exercise. I might open a watch repair business on the side, as I discovered talents and patience I didn't know I had. -Bill On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Bill Repucci wrote: I'm not really sure why you need a radio. Just stay out of controlled airspace and keep your eyes open. Bill From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Boyd Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:21 PM aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Icom A200 Fellow aviators: A few weeks back I loaded a heavy, folding shade tent into the pax seat of my RV-6A to take to a neighbor's fly-in event, in the process bumping the tuning knob of my Icom A200 radio and bending its shaft. The radio has since stopped responding to turning the outer ring (MHz) selector, and needs repair. I'm not afraid to try this repair myself if I can get my hands on a replacement concentric optical shaft encoder that is a proper fit, nor opposed to sending the radio off for repair by an avionics shop is I can find a reasonable quote. Menawhile, looking for a loaner radio while I get the repairs done, or a good deal on a replacement A200 if I decide to swap first / repair later. Any help out there? Thanks, Bill B/ Stormy RV-6A http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List a>http://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:52 AM PST US From: "Bill Boyd" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Icom A200 Ed, none of those pictures matched. the only number stamped on one of the ganged modules was "7LV" If I could only trick Icom into selling me one, i could install it in under 15 minutes. -Bill On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Ed Anderson wr ote: > This seems to be the primary catalog for ALPS encoders - might be > something of interest ' but, if your data does not have any specs or de tails > on times ' might be hard to match. > > > http://www3.alps.com/WebObjects/catalog.woa/E/PDF/Switch/Encoder/ENCODER_ INDEX.PDF > > > Ed > > > Ed Anderson > > Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered > > Matthews, NC > > eanderson@carolina.rr.com > > http://www.andersonee.com > > http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW > > http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Ed Anderson > *Sent:* Tuesday, July 29, 2008 11:15 AM > *To:* rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RE: RVSouthEast-List: Icom A200 > > > Bill, While I could not find an ALPs 3 model, I notice several hollow sha ft > encoders of ALPs that are designed to be ganged (several layers) on a > shaft. Something like this one: > > > http://www3.alps.com/WebObjects/catalog.woa/E/PDF/Switch/Encoder/SRGPSJ/S RGPSJ.PDF > > > Ed > > > Ed Anderson > > Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered > > Matthews, NC > > eanderson@carolina.rr.com > > http://www.andersonee.com > > http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW > > http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html > ------------------------------ > > *From:* owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Boyd > *Sent:* Monday, July 28, 2008 8:32 PM > *To:* rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* Re: RVSouthEast-List: Icom A200 > > > Believe it or not, on a lark, I took the darn thing out of the panel and > laid it open: broken outer shaft on the concentric encoder switch was the > problem. Easily unsoldered, removed, opened the switch body. Lots of > teenie weenie innards. Jeweler's loupes were brought out. Shaft is bras s - > was able to silver solder the thing back together and re-assemble the swi tch > (if you saw it you would not beleive it was possible to do in a home > workshop). Put the radio back in the panel and it worked! (Past tense). > Naturally, the solder joint failed after the first few minutes of playing > with it, so now it's back to broken status. I'd rather discover this on the > ground than on a X/C. I kinda thought it would happen - solder is not a > structural material, really. Too bad Icom won't sell me the $25 part (Al ps > 3-gang rotary encoder) and I cannot find it on the 'net. The avionics > monopoly wins this round. > > Well, I now have two hours of my time in this thing, about enough to buy a > new one, so I'm done messing around, but it was a fun exercise. I might > open a watch repair business on the side, as I discovered talents and > patience I didn't know I had. > > -Bill > > On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Bill Repucci wrote: > > I'm not really sure why you need a radio. Just stay out of controlled > airspace and keep your eyes open. > > > Bill > > > *From:* owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Bill Boyd > *Sent:* Friday, July 25, 2008 2:21 PM > *To:* rv-list@matronics.com; rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com; > aeroelectric-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RVSouthEast-List: Icom A200 > > > Fellow aviators: > > A few weeks back I loaded a heavy, folding shade tent into the pax seat o f > my RV-6A to take to a neighbor's fly-in event, in the process bumping the > tuning knob of my Icom A200 radio and bending its shaft. The radio has > since stopped responding to turning the outer ring (MHz) selector, and ne eds > repair. > > I'm not afraid to try this repair myself if I can get my hands on a > replacement concentric optical shaft encoder that is a proper fit, nor > opposed to sending the radio off for repair by an avionics shop is I can > find a reasonable quote. Menawhile, looking for a loaner radio while I g et > the repairs done, or a good deal on a replacement A200 if I decide to swa p > first / repair later. > > Any help out there? > > Thanks, > > Bill B/ Stormy > RV-6A > > * * > > * * > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List* > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > * * > > * * > > *st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-Lis t* > > *a>http://forums.matronics.com* > > *_blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * * > > > * * > > * * > > * * > > * * > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > * > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 01:26:57 PM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Icom A200 I can certainly understand your frustration, you know the problem, you can affect the solution - except! Here is one more set that appears to have some different encoders from ALPS. Take a look at the stackable Grey encoder. http://www.dst-gmbh.de/encoder.htm Don't guess you have a photo of your busted one? Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html _____ From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Boyd Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 11:43 AM Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Icom A200 Ed, none of those pictures matched. the only number stamped on one of the ganged modules was "7LV" If I could only trick Icom into selling me one, i could install it in under 15 minutes. -Bill On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Ed Anderson wrote: This seems to be the primary catalog for ALPS encoders - might be something of interest - but, if your data does not have any specs or details on times - might be hard to match. http://www3.alps.com/WebObjects/catalog.woa/E/PDF/Switch/Encoder/ENCODER_IND EX.PDF Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html _____ From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 11:15 AM Subject: RE: RVSouthEast-List: Icom A200 Bill, While I could not find an ALPs 3 model, I notice several hollow shaft encoders of ALPs that are designed to be ganged (several layers) on a shaft. Something like this one: http://www3.alps.com/WebObjects/catalog.woa/E/PDF/Switch/Encoder/SRGPSJ/SRGP SJ.PDF Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html _____ From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Boyd Sent: Monday, July 28, 2008 8:32 PM Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Icom A200 Believe it or not, on a lark, I took the darn thing out of the panel and laid it open: broken outer shaft on the concentric encoder switch was the problem. Easily unsoldered, removed, opened the switch body. Lots of teenie weenie innards. Jeweler's loupes were brought out. Shaft is brass - was able to silver solder the thing back together and re-assemble the switch (if you saw it you would not beleive it was possible to do in a home workshop). Put the radio back in the panel and it worked! (Past tense). Naturally, the solder joint failed after the first few minutes of playing with it, so now it's back to broken status. I'd rather discover this on the ground than on a X/C. I kinda thought it would happen - solder is not a structural material, really. Too bad Icom won't sell me the $25 part (Alps 3-gang rotary encoder) and I cannot find it on the 'net. The avionics monopoly wins this round. Well, I now have two hours of my time in this thing, about enough to buy a new one, so I'm done messing around, but it was a fun exercise. I might open a watch repair business on the side, as I discovered talents and patience I didn't know I had. -Bill On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 5:07 PM, Bill Repucci wrote: I'm not really sure why you need a radio. Just stay out of controlled airspace and keep your eyes open. Bill From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Boyd Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 2:21 PM aeroelectric-list@matronics.com Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Icom A200 Fellow aviators: A few weeks back I loaded a heavy, folding shade tent into the pax seat of my RV-6A to take to a neighbor's fly-in event, in the process bumping the tuning knob of my Icom A200 radio and bending its shaft. The radio has since stopped responding to turning the outer ring (MHz) selector, and needs repair. I'm not afraid to try this repair myself if I can get my hands on a replacement concentric optical shaft encoder that is a proper fit, nor opposed to sending the radio off for repair by an avionics shop is I can find a reasonable quote. Menawhile, looking for a loaner radio while I get the repairs done, or a good deal on a replacement A200 if I decide to swap first / repair later. Any help out there? Thanks, Bill B/ Stormy RV-6A http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List http://forums.matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List a>http://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/contribution st" target="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RVSouthEast-List tp://forums.matronics.com _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 01:47:01 PM PST US From: "Bill Boyd" Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Icom A200 Ed, I'd say it's definitely one of the RK097 series, 9mm horizontal, but with three gangs and two concentric shafts, the center one having a pull-on switch function (to select .0125 MHz tuning steps). I don't see one like that in the listings. -Bill ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:52 PM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Emailing: 10064714-6b Ok, Bill. You want ganged - here you are. Actually, it's the only ones I could find. But, from your description I presume the encoder looks something like these? http://www.ttnet.net/search-bin/show_html.jsp?cartno=-66.249.70.73020933cc&o day 08/07/01&prdhtm=Y&cono=10064714&item_no=6&itno=MA502&dtno=000&type1=A& vpcno=5672 Ed __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RVSouthEast-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rvsoutheast-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rvsoutheast-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.