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1. 06:20 PM - Re: F-15C Capability (Speedy11@aol.com)
2. 06:37 PM - Re: Re: F-15C Capability (Steve Glasgow)
3. 06:42 PM - Fw: F-15C Capability (Steve Glasgow)
4. 07:58 PM - Re: Fw: F-15C Capability (Ron Schreck)
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| Subject: | Re: F-15C Capability |
Cappy,
I know exactly what was the correct aviation judgement in that particular
case. Ejection.
I was not quick to judge the pilot. I've studied that accident in detail.
I've spent time in Israel and we talked about the accident. As a wing safety
officer, I learned that pilots tend to want to save an aircraft if they
perceive that an accident was their fault. In this particular case, the
perception was that the collision was the pilots fault, thus there was a desire
on
the pilots part to save the aircraft even though success was highly unlikely.
He was very fortunate to land the aircraft - and he made aviation history by
doing so. Personally, I would not be willing to risk my life in order to
save face or make history.
It is true that Israel must save every aircraft it can because of limited
funds, but when an aircraft is damaged to such an extent that it is scrap, then
saving it does not make sense.
I have ejected and I have experienced the urge to save the aircraft. But,
once the decision is made to eject (actually it's made before takeoff in most
cases), following through is straight forward.
So, Cappy, I didn't make it clear in my original critique, but I don't judge
other pilots unless I do have all the information.
The jet was flown to landing due to the capability of the F-15, not due to
the ability of the pilot. In the same situation, given adequate normal
training in the F-15, you, too, could have landed the jet. The jet landed due
to
the built-in capability of the jet. Regardless, the best option was to eject.
Regards,
Stan Sutterfield
Do not archive
Stan you seem so sure of what is correct aviation judgment. To
castigate a fellow airman when you could not have possibly known what he
perceived at the time of an incident is unfair. I learned a long time
ago not to criticize other pilots when it comes to their judgment.
Believe what you what, but don't be so quick to openly judge others
without all the information.
Cappy
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| Subject: | Re: F-15C Capability |
Since you sent two. I will to.
If you want to "believe" there was not correct judgment in that
particular case. That is perfectly OK.
But now you say, "I know exactly what was the correct aviation judgment
in that particular case".
Harsh words in my opinion. What makes you the expert?
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Speedy11@aol.com
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:19 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Re: F-15C Capability
Cappy,
I know exactly what was the correct aviation judgement in that
particular case. Ejection.
I was not quick to judge the pilot. I've studied that accident in
detail. I've spent time in Israel and we talked about the accident. As
a wing safety officer, I learned that pilots tend to want to save an
aircraft if they perceive that an accident was their fault. In this
particular case, the perception was that the collision was the pilots
fault, thus there was a desire on the pilots part to save the aircraft
even though success was highly unlikely. He was very fortunate to land
the aircraft - and he made aviation history by doing so. Personally, I
would not be willing to risk my life in order to save face or make
history.
It is true that Israel must save every aircraft it can because of
limited funds, but when an aircraft is damaged to such an extent that it
is scrap, then saving it does not make sense.
I have ejected and I have experienced the urge to save the aircraft.
But, once the decision is made to eject (actually it's made before
takeoff in most cases), following through is straight forward.
So, Cappy, I didn't make it clear in my original critique, but I don't
judge other pilots unless I do have all the information.
The jet was flown to landing due to the capability of the F-15, not
due to the ability of the pilot. In the same situation, given adequate
normal training in the F-15, you, too, could have landed the jet. The
jet landed due to the built-in capability of the jet. Regardless, the
best option was to eject.
Regards,
Stan Sutterfield
Do not archive
Stan you seem so sure of what is correct aviation judgment. To
castigate a fellow airman when you could not have possibly known
what he
perceived at the time of an incident is unfair. I learned a long
time
ago not to criticize other pilots when it comes to their judgment.
Believe what you what, but don't be so quick to openly judge others
without all the information.
Cappy
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| Subject: | Fw: F-15C Capability |
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Glasgow
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: F-15C Capability
Like I said you seem so sure! Have you actually talked to the pilot?
Were you part of the investigation team?
Who exactly is the "we" that you talked about the accident with?
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Speedy11@aol.com
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Cc: willfly@carolina.rr.com
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: F-15C Capability
Cappy,
I know exactly what was the correct aviation judgement in that
particular case. Ejection.
I was not quick to judge the pilot. I've studied that accident in
detail. I've spent time in Israel and we talked about the accident. As
a wing safety officer, I learned that pilots tend to want to save an
aircraft if they perceive that an accident was their fault. In this
particular case, the perception was that the collision was the pilots
fault, thus there was a desire on the pilots part to save the aircraft
even though success was highly unlikely. He was very fortunate to land
the aircraft - and he made aviation history by doing so. Personally, I
would not be willing to risk my life in order to save face or make
history.
It is true that Israel must save every aircraft it can because of
limited funds, but when an aircraft is damaged to such an extent that it
is scrap, then saving it does not make sense.
I have ejected and I have experienced the urge to save the aircraft.
But, once the decision is made to eject (actually it's made before
takeoff in most cases), following through is straight forward.
So, Cappy, I didn't make it clear in my original critique, but I don't
judge other pilots unless I do have all the information.
The jet was flown to landing due to the capability of the F-15, not
due to the ability of the pilot. In the same situation, given adequate
normal training in the F-15, you, too, could have landed the jet. The
jet landed due to the built-in capability of the jet. Regardless, the
best option was to eject.
Regards,
Stan Sutterfield
Do not archive
Stan you seem so sure of what is correct aviation judgment. To
castigate a fellow airman when you could not have possibly known
what he
perceived at the time of an incident is unfair. I learned a long
time
ago not to criticize other pilots when it comes to their judgment.
Believe what you what, but don't be so quick to openly judge others
without all the information.
Cappy
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: F-15C Capability |
A brief Google search has unearthed the Fighter Planes Forum:
http://fighterplanes.yuku.com/
It is full of arguements between fighter pilot wannabe's and postal
workers. You two should go over there and kick some butt. We'll talk
about RV's while you are gone.
Smokey
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Glasgow
To: SERV
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:42 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fw: F-15C Capability
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Glasgow
To: Speedy11@aol.com
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: F-15C Capability
Like I said you seem so sure! Have you actually talked to the pilot?
Were you part of the investigation team?
Who exactly is the "we" that you talked about the accident with?
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Speedy11@aol.com
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Cc: willfly@carolina.rr.com
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: F-15C Capability
Cappy,
I know exactly what was the correct aviation judgement in that
particular case. Ejection.
I was not quick to judge the pilot. I've studied that accident in
detail. I've spent time in Israel and we talked about the accident. As
a wing safety officer, I learned that pilots tend to want to save an
aircraft if they perceive that an accident was their fault. In this
particular case, the perception was that the collision was the pilots
fault, thus there was a desire on the pilots part to save the aircraft
even though success was highly unlikely. He was very fortunate to land
the aircraft - and he made aviation history by doing so. Personally, I
would not be willing to risk my life in order to save face or make
history.
It is true that Israel must save every aircraft it can because of
limited funds, but when an aircraft is damaged to such an extent that it
is scrap, then saving it does not make sense.
I have ejected and I have experienced the urge to save the aircraft.
But, once the decision is made to eject (actually it's made before
takeoff in most cases), following through is straight forward.
So, Cappy, I didn't make it clear in my original critique, but I
don't judge other pilots unless I do have all the information.
The jet was flown to landing due to the capability of the F-15, not
due to the ability of the pilot. In the same situation, given adequate
normal training in the F-15, you, too, could have landed the jet. The
jet landed due to the built-in capability of the jet. Regardless, the
best option was to eject.
Regards,
Stan Sutterfield
Do not archive
Stan you seem so sure of what is correct aviation judgment. To
castigate a fellow airman when you could not have possibly known
what he
perceived at the time of an incident is unfair. I learned a long
time
ago not to criticize other pilots when it comes to their judgment.
Believe what you what, but don't be so quick to openly judge
others
without all the information.
Cappy
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