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1. 05:22 AM - Re: Fw: F-15C Capability (Steve Glasgow)
2. 03:16 PM - Re: Fw: F-15C Capability (Dale Walter)
3. 03:47 PM - Re: Fw: F-15C Capability (bburril)
4. 03:57 PM - Re: Fw: F-15C Capability (Pam Bowen)
5. 06:53 PM - Re: Fw: F-15C Capability (Bill Boyd)
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Sorry. I didn't know there was a moderator on the form. I will be
sure to send my comments to you first in the future and you can decide
what is OK.
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Schreck
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fw: F-15C Capability
A brief Google search has unearthed the Fighter Planes Forum:
http://fighterplanes.yuku.com/
It is full of arguements between fighter pilot wannabe's and postal
workers. You two should go over there and kick some butt. We'll talk
about RV's while you are gone.
Smokey
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Glasgow
To: SERV
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:42 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fw: F-15C Capability
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Glasgow
To: Speedy11@aol.com
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: F-15C Capability
Like I said you seem so sure! Have you actually talked to the
pilot? Were you part of the investigation team?
Who exactly is the "we" that you talked about the accident with?
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Speedy11@aol.com
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Cc: willfly@carolina.rr.com
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: F-15C Capability
Cappy,
I know exactly what was the correct aviation judgement in that
particular case. Ejection.
I was not quick to judge the pilot. I've studied that accident in
detail. I've spent time in Israel and we talked about the accident. As
a wing safety officer, I learned that pilots tend to want to save an
aircraft if they perceive that an accident was their fault. In this
particular case, the perception was that the collision was the pilots
fault, thus there was a desire on the pilots part to save the aircraft
even though success was highly unlikely. He was very fortunate to land
the aircraft - and he made aviation history by doing so. Personally, I
would not be willing to risk my life in order to save face or make
history.
It is true that Israel must save every aircraft it can because of
limited funds, but when an aircraft is damaged to such an extent that it
is scrap, then saving it does not make sense.
I have ejected and I have experienced the urge to save the
aircraft. But, once the decision is made to eject (actually it's made
before takeoff in most cases), following through is straight forward.
So, Cappy, I didn't make it clear in my original critique, but I
don't judge other pilots unless I do have all the information.
The jet was flown to landing due to the capability of the F-15,
not due to the ability of the pilot. In the same situation, given
adequate normal training in the F-15, you, too, could have landed the
jet. The jet landed due to the built-in capability of the jet.
Regardless, the best option was to eject.
Regards,
Stan Sutterfield
Do not archive
Stan you seem so sure of what is correct aviation judgment. To
castigate a fellow airman when you could not have possibly known
what he
perceived at the time of an incident is unfair. I learned a
long time
ago not to criticize other pilots when it comes to their
judgment.
Believe what you what, but don't be so quick to openly judge
others
without all the information.
Cappy
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| Subject: | Fw: F-15C Capability |
Smokey,
I thought your comment was precise and witty, that is the quality of comment
I want to think of when I grow up. Oddly enough I must thank Steve (a little
bit) for his part in inspiring your comment.
Now in line with Smokey's thought here is my 1st Hi Definition video with
RVs and a wonderful fly-in, thanks to Lorene & Ollie Washburn:
http://vimeo.com/2186206?pg=transcoded_embed
<http://vimeo.com/2186206?pg=transcoded_embed&sec=2186206> &sec=2186206
Happy Landings,
Dale
RV6a
Do not archive
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From: owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Steve
Glasgow
Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2008 8:22 AM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fw: F-15C Capability
Sorry. I didn't know there was a moderator on the form. I will be sure to
send my comments to you first in the future and you can decide what is OK.
Crappy
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: F-15C Capability |
You tell them Ron i'am so mad i can't.I don't think ether one of them
are flying a rv are they?
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Schreck
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 10:58 PM
Subject: Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fw: F-15C Capability
A brief Google search has unearthed the Fighter Planes Forum:
http://fighterplanes.yuku.com/
It is full of arguements between fighter pilot wannabe's and postal
workers. You two should go over there and kick some butt. We'll talk
about RV's while you are gone.
Smokey
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Glasgow
To: SERV
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:42 PM
Subject: RVSouthEast-List: Fw: F-15C Capability
----- Original Message -----
From: Steve Glasgow
To: Speedy11@aol.com
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:31 PM
Subject: Re: F-15C Capability
Like I said you seem so sure! Have you actually talked to the
pilot? Were you part of the investigation team?
Who exactly is the "we" that you talked about the accident with?
Cappy
----- Original Message -----
From: Speedy11@aol.com
To: rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
Cc: willfly@carolina.rr.com
Sent: Friday, November 07, 2008 9:19 PM
Subject: Re: F-15C Capability
Cappy,
I know exactly what was the correct aviation judgement in that
particular case. Ejection.
I was not quick to judge the pilot. I've studied that accident in
detail. I've spent time in Israel and we talked about the accident. As
a wing safety officer, I learned that pilots tend to want to save an
aircraft if they perceive that an accident was their fault. In this
particular case, the perception was that the collision was the pilots
fault, thus there was a desire on the pilots part to save the aircraft
even though success was highly unlikely. He was very fortunate to land
the aircraft - and he made aviation history by doing so. Personally, I
would not be willing to risk my life in order to save face or make
history.
It is true that Israel must save every aircraft it can because of
limited funds, but when an aircraft is damaged to such an extent that it
is scrap, then saving it does not make sense.
I have ejected and I have experienced the urge to save the
aircraft. But, once the decision is made to eject (actually it's made
before takeoff in most cases), following through is straight forward.
So, Cappy, I didn't make it clear in my original critique, but I
don't judge other pilots unless I do have all the information.
The jet was flown to landing due to the capability of the F-15,
not due to the ability of the pilot. In the same situation, given
adequate normal training in the F-15, you, too, could have landed the
jet. The jet landed due to the built-in capability of the jet.
Regardless, the best option was to eject.
Regards,
Stan Sutterfield
Do not archive
Stan you seem so sure of what is correct aviation judgment. To
castigate a fellow airman when you could not have possibly known
what he
perceived at the time of an incident is unfair. I learned a
long time
ago not to criticize other pilots when it comes to their
judgment.
Believe what you what, but don't be so quick to openly judge
others
without all the information.
Cappy
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: F-15C Capability |
ok children - let's play nice - enough already..
Do not archive
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 6:45 PM, bburril <bburril@carolina.rr.com> wrote:
> You tell them Ron i'am so mad i can't.I don't think ether one of them are
> flying a rv are they?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Ron Schreck <ronschreck@windstream.net>
> *To:* rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> *Sent:* Friday, November 07, 2008 10:58 PM
> *Subject:* Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fw: F-15C Capability
>
> A brief Google search has unearthed the Fighter Planes Forum:
> http://fighterplanes.yuku.com/
>
> It is full of arguements between fighter pilot wannabe's and postal
> workers. You two should go over there and kick some butt. We'll talk about
> RV's while you are gone.
>
> Smokey
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Steve Glasgow <willfly@carolina.rr.com>
> *To:* SERV <rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, November 07, 2008 9:42 PM
> *Subject:* RVSouthEast-List: Fw: F-15C Capability
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----- *From:* Steve Glasgow<willfly@carolina.rr.com>
> *To:* Speedy11@aol.com
> *Sent:* Friday, November 07, 2008 9:31 PM
> *Subject:* Re: F-15C Capability
>
> Like I said you seem so sure! Have you actually talked to the pilot? Were
> you part of the investigation team?
>
> Who exactly is the "we" that you talked about the accident with?
>
> Cappy
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Speedy11@aol.com
> *To:* rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> *Cc:* willfly@carolina.rr.com
> *Sent:* Friday, November 07, 2008 9:19 PM
> *Subject:* Re: F-15C Capability
>
> Cappy,
>
> I know exactly what was the correct aviation judgement in that particular
> case. Ejection.
>
> I was not quick to judge the pilot. I've studied that accident in detail.
> I've spent time in Israel and we talked about the accident. As a wing
> safety officer, I learned that pilots tend to want to save an aircraft if
> they perceive that an accident was their fault. In this particular case,
> the perception was that the collision was the pilots fault, thus there was a
> desire on the pilots part to save the aircraft even though success was
> highly unlikely. He was very fortunate to land the aircraft - and he made
> aviation history by doing so. Personally, I would not be willing to risk my
> life in order to save face or make history.
>
> It is true that Israel must save every aircraft it can because of limited
> funds, but when an aircraft is damaged to such an extent that it is scrap,
> then saving it does not make sense.
>
> I have ejected and I have experienced the urge to save the aircraft. But,
> once the decision is made to eject (actually it's made before takeoff in
> most cases), following through is straight forward.
>
> So, Cappy, I didn't make it clear in my original critique, but I don't
> judge other pilots unless I do have all the information.
>
> The jet was flown to landing due to the capability of the F-15, not due to
> the ability of the pilot. In the same situation, given adequate normal
> training in the F-15, you, too, could have landed the jet. The jet landed
> due to the built-in capability of the jet. Regardless, the best option was
> to eject.
>
> Regards,
>
> Stan Sutterfield
> Do not archive
>
>
> Stan you seem so sure of what is correct aviation judgment. To
> castigate a fellow airman when you could not have possibly known what he
> perceived at the time of an incident is unfair. I learned a long time
> ago not to criticize other pilots when it comes to their judgment.
>
>
> Believe what you what, but don't be so quick to openly judge others
> without all the information.
>
>
> Cappy
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fw: F-15C Capability |
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 6:14 PM, Dale Walter <dale1rv6@comcast.net> wrote:
> Smokey,
>
> I thought your comment was precise and witty, that is the quality of
> comment I want to think of when I grow up. Oddly enough I must thank Steve
> (a little bit) for his part in inspiring your comment.
>
> Now in line with Smokey's thought here is my 1st Hi Definition video with
> RVs and a wonderful fly-in, thanks to Lorene & Ollie Washburn:
>
>
> http://vimeo.com/2186206?pg=transcoded_embed&sec=2186206
>
>
> Happy Landings,
>
> Dale
>
> RV6a
>
>
> Do not archive
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rvsoutheast-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Steve Glasgow
> *Sent:* Saturday, November 08, 2008 8:22 AM
> *To:* rvsoutheast-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RVSouthEast-List: Fw: F-15C Capability
>
>
> Sorry. I didn't know there was a moderator on the form. I will be sure
> to send my comments to you first in the future and you can decide what is
> OK.
>
>
> Crappy
>
I see what you did, there...
Changing Cappy's call sign requires a vote of the rest of the squadron.
-Stormy (who might become "Spiderman" against his wishes - that's just the
way it goes...)
Mr. President, it is natural to man to indulge in the illusions of hope...
In vain, after these things, may we indulge the fond hope of peace and
reconciliation. There is no longer any room for hope...
Shall we acquire the means of effectual resistance by lying supinely on our
backs and hugging the delusive phantom of hope, until our enemies shall have
bound us hand and foot?
Our chains are forged! Their clanking may be heard on the plains of Boston!
The war is inevitable--and let it come! I repeat it, sir, let it come.
-Mr. Obama, meet Patrick Henry...
*
>
>
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