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| Subject: | Re: Sailplane-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/24/08 |
Is this some sort of Christmas prersent? Posts on the list! Hurrah!
I started gliding more years ago than I like to think. OK I looked it
up. 21st June 1964.
Fist flight in a Slingsby T21c. A BIG side by side barge of an aircraft.
Then flew Slingsby T31. Soloed in a Grunau then flew at various times
,Ka7, T49,Krancich, Slingsby Swallow, Olympia 21b, Bijave (In France,)
Bocian,, ASK 13,, Blanik, Skylark 3F, Capstan, Olympia 419 (Wild Goose
in which Peter Scott won the aerobatic Champs.in the UK)Scheitzer 2-33
and 1-26 in Florida, ,K13. Pilatus, Jantar. This was my last glider and
was rather nice. 19 metre span all fibreglass, retractable u/c
adjustable trailing edges, water ballest. The works. That took me
through until 1986 where I see from my log book that I flew a K10 and I
cant remember what that was.
Apart from a bit of flying in motorgliders Scheibe Falke, Bergfalke,
Grob ,I did little training and a few flights for sheer pleasure in
Tiger moth, Harvard, Mustang, T3, Jet Provost.
I more or less quit glider flying in 1987.
Went from there into hang gliding and via a broken leg into microlights
, or ultralights as you call them. which I still fly.
With my 80th birthday looming I suppose my flying is coming to a halt.
Certainly if my wife gets her way, but there maybe a bit of flying
still to be done.
There you are, more than you ever wanted to know from me
Cheers
Pat.
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| Subject: | Re: Sailplane-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/24/08 |
In a message dated 12/25/2008 5:31:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
DrJSherm@aol.com writes:
>>>>wish I had a motor glider! <<<<<
Howdy,
Yes, indeed! After running a glider tow operation from my strip for about 5
years (and losing money every year) I sold my Pawnee, club gliders and
person glider and I purchased a used AMT 200S Ximango (#135) in March of 2007.
Best move I've made in years! I've logged a little over 300 hours in it now,
mostly engine off, including a half dozen 500K's and a couple of wave flights
to
over 12,000 msl. Not bad for SE Tennessee. 'Course, our lingering drought
and the 150 miles of ridge we have here in the Sequatchie and Lookout Valleys
helped a bunch, particularly in the summer of '07 when we had 10+ knot lift
with 10,000-11,000' cloudbase every day for 4 months.
I don't sell them and in no way do I benefit from the sale of any Ximango,
but if you haven't had a ride in a Ximango, and you are serious about wanting
a motorglider, you owe it to yourself to seek out a test flight. My wife is
also a pilot and that meant any motorglider I considered would have to be a
two place to keep the peace. In my search for a suitable motorglider, I flew
virtually every 2 place motorglider currently out there except the Pipistrel
Taurus and a few of those TST contraptions. Most were either too big to be
practical to operate from my 2200' turf strip, or they were just underpowered,
2
stroke accidents looking for a place to happen.
The Ximango, OTOH, is the best kept secret in two place motorgliders, IMHO.
I had written it off after looking at the pictures of it, thinking it was
just another touring airplane with long wings. However, when one came available
near where I was going on a ski trip I decided to take a closer look. As soon
as I saw it up close I was very, very impressed. So impressed, in fact,
after I flew it I left a deposit and returned a couple of weeks later to complete
the purchase. It's a decent touring machine, too. I flew mine from SW
Colorado to SE Tennessee in just over 10 hours (1150 nm), not including an hour
or
so running the ridge at Magazine Mountain in Arkansas on the way back. I've
also done a couple of fairly long powered cross country flights in it, i.e.,
>600 nm. It cruises under power at 115 kts at about 4 gph, with plenty of
baggage room for two for a few days. It has the most comfortable seats of any
airplane I've ever flown, too.
FWIW, I built and fly a Europa experimental and my partner and I do co
mposite repair and refinish on sailplanes here in my shop. We pretty much eat,
sleep and breathe composites. Everything from rigid carbon hang gliders to
numerous ASW-27's and LS-8's to the new 18m JS-1 that just won the 18m Nationals
this year has come through our shop. I can tell you from my experience that the
Ximango is extremely well built and well thought out. Although not quite up
to German standards in terms of fit and finish, it is very refined and very
robust. Aeromot does a good job of supporting the fleet, too. It has honest
30+ to 1 performance with about a 180 fpm sink rate with two on board. It's the
best compromise between a touring aircraft and a glider that I'm aware of
and it doesn't have a laundry list of AD's like the Stemme. Probably the
easiest to fly tail dragger I've ever flown, too. They are still in production
and
are available new. There are also a few used ones that come up for sale now
and then. Ximangos built after 2003 are all urethane finishes, too. Check it
out, you won't be sorry. It's so nice to be able to go fly a glider without
having to drag out the tow plane!
Cheers!
John Lawton
Whitwell, TN (TN89)
Ximango #135
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| Subject: | Re: Sailplane-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 12/24/08 |
Hi John
Sounds like you are having just about too much fun with your Ximango! STOP
IT!!
Whats your take on touring plane with long wings >> Europa?
Ron Parigoris
>
> In a message dated 12/25/2008 5:31:38 P.M. Eastern Standard Time,
> DrJSherm@aol.com writes:
>
>>>>>wish I had a motor glider! <<<<<
>
> Howdy,
>
> Yes, indeed! After running a glider tow operation from my strip for
> about 5
> years (and losing money every year) I sold my Pawnee, club gliders and
> person glider and I purchased a used AMT 200S Ximango (#135) in March of
> 2007.
> Best move I've made in years! I've logged a little over 300 hours in it
> now,
> mostly engine off, including a half dozen 500K's and a couple of wave
> flights to
> over 12,000 msl. Not bad for SE Tennessee. 'Course, our lingering drought
> and the 150 miles of ridge we have here in the Sequatchie and Lookout
> Valleys
> helped a bunch, particularly in the summer of '07 when we had 10+ knot
> lift
> with 10,000-11,000' cloudbase every day for 4 months.
>
> I don't sell them and in no way do I benefit from the sale of any
> Ximango,
> but if you haven't had a ride in a Ximango, and you are serious about
> wanting
> a motorglider, you owe it to yourself to seek out a test flight. My wife
> is
> also a pilot and that meant any motorglider I considered would have to be
> a
> two place to keep the peace. In my search for a suitable motorglider, I
> flew
> virtually every 2 place motorglider currently out there except the
> Pipistrel
> Taurus and a few of those TST contraptions. Most were either too big to
> be
> practical to operate from my 2200' turf strip, or they were just
> underpowered, 2
> stroke accidents looking for a place to happen.
>
> The Ximango, OTOH, is the best kept secret in two place motorgliders,
> IMHO.
> I had written it off after looking at the pictures of it, thinking it was
> just another touring airplane with long wings. However, when one came
> available
> near where I was going on a ski trip I decided to take a closer look. As
> soon
> as I saw it up close I was very, very impressed. So impressed, in fact,
> after I flew it I left a deposit and returned a couple of weeks later to
> complete
> the purchase. It's a decent touring machine, too. I flew mine from SW
> Colorado to SE Tennessee in just over 10 hours (1150 nm), not including
> an hour or
> so running the ridge at Magazine Mountain in Arkansas on the way back.
> I've
> also done a couple of fairly long powered cross country flights in it,
> i.e.,
>>600 nm. It cruises under power at 115 kts at about 4 gph, with plenty of
> baggage room for two for a few days. It has the most comfortable seats of
> any
> airplane I've ever flown, too.
>
> FWIW, I built and fly a Europa experimental and my partner and I do co
> mposite repair and refinish on sailplanes here in my shop. We pretty much
> eat,
> sleep and breathe composites. Everything from rigid carbon hang gliders to
> numerous ASW-27's and LS-8's to the new 18m JS-1 that just won the 18m
> Nationals
> this year has come through our shop. I can tell you from my experience
> that the
> Ximango is extremely well built and well thought out. Although not quite
> up
> to German standards in terms of fit and finish, it is very refined and
> very
> robust. Aeromot does a good job of supporting the fleet, too. It has
> honest
> 30+ to 1 performance with about a 180 fpm sink rate with two on board.
> It's the
> best compromise between a touring aircraft and a glider that I'm aware of
> and it doesn't have a laundry list of AD's like the Stemme. Probably the
> easiest to fly tail dragger I've ever flown, too. They are still in
> production and
> are available new. There are also a few used ones that come up for sale
> now
> and then. Ximangos built after 2003 are all urethane finishes, too. Check
> it
> out, you won't be sorry. It's so nice to be able to go fly a glider
> without
> having to drag out the tow plane!
>
> Cheers!
>
> John Lawton
> Whitwell, TN (TN89)
> Ximango #135
> **************One site keeps you connected to all your email: AOL Mail,
> Gmail, and Yahoo Mail. Try it now.
>
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