---------------------------------------------------------- Seaplane-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 12/20/05: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:09 AM - Re: Seaplane-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 12/19/05 (Malcolmbru@aol.com) 2. 04:42 AM - Re: floats (Paul Seehafer) 3. 04:48 AM - Re: Re: Seaplane-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 12/19/05 (Jean-Paul Roy) 4. 05:00 AM - 1100 floats (Peter Cowan) 5. 05:19 AM - Re: 1100 floats (Jean-Paul Roy) 6. 07:00 AM - Re: Cabin heater (shorty) 7. 07:01 AM - Re: floats (John A. Nielsen) 8. 10:22 AM - Shortnaked's surprize payload calcs..... (Scott Perkins) 9. 10:37 AM - Shortnaked's surprize payload calcs..... (Scott Perkins) 10. 11:37 AM - Re: Shortnaked's surprize payload calcs..... (jnbolding1) 11. 11:53 AM - Re: Shortnaked's surprize payload calcs..... (shorty) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:52 AM PST US From: Malcolmbru@aol.com Subject: Seaplane-List: Re: Seaplane-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 12/19/05 --> Seaplane-List message posted by: Malcolmbru@aol.com In a message dated 12/20/2005 4:33:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, seaplane-list-digest@matronics.com writes: Yes muk tuk floats ofer a good kit but they are only wood and I have still not found a set of plans for alun floats I also need info on a 582 w/ ebox from532 w/ a box and starter on rear of moter will ebox fit under cowel I am at 515 lb now will it change cg much ? mal ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:42:40 AM PST US From: "Paul Seehafer" Subject: Re: Seaplane-List: floats --> Seaplane-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" Malcom, Find yourself a set of Avid fibreglass floats. They can be found pretty easily for less than you could build a set of any kind of float. And float building can be a VERY BIG job (just ask someone that has done it). Just saw a set sell for $1500 with rigging that would bolt right up to your airplane. They are great floats too. They are the floats shown on my Avid in the video on the Kitfox Lazair site ( http://lazair.com/kitfox/index.php?s=27120c2049dc8bf9ce245a060324e709&showforum=5 ) Downside of the floats? Not overly strong (but not bad), and will handle an airplane properly no more than 700 pounds empty weight. A 500 lb'ish E.W. airplane (on wheels) would be perfect for these floats. The heaviest I've flown on these was a 650 pound Mark IV Avid. But they worked fine, just sat lower in the water. But never a problem. Another really good float is the Aerocet straight float. But they are getting hard to find. Just my suggestion. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Seaplane-List: floats > --> Seaplane-List message posted by: Malcolmbru@aol.com > > realy need a set of float plans for a 1000 max kit fox > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:37 AM PST US From: "Jean-Paul Roy" Subject: Re: Seaplane-List: Re: Seaplane-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 12/19/05 --> Seaplane-List message posted by: "Jean-Paul Roy" I wished I could find a set of plans for alum floats as well preferably amphib. Jean-Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Seaplane-List: Re: Seaplane-List Digest: 10 Msgs - 12/19/05 > --> Seaplane-List message posted by: Malcolmbru@aol.com > > > In a message dated 12/20/2005 4:33:17 AM Eastern Standard Time, > seaplane-list-digest@matronics.com writes: > > > Yes muk tuk floats ofer a good kit but they are only wood and I have still > not found a set of plans for alun floats I also need info on a 582 w/ ebox > from532 w/ a box and starter on rear of moter will ebox fit under cowel I am > at 515 lb now will it change cg much ? mal > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:00:58 AM PST US From: "Peter Cowan" Subject: Seaplane-List: 1100 floats --> Seaplane-List message posted by: "Peter Cowan" Jean-Paul They were also Aerocets. Re the nose going under, I wondered if it was related to forward CG because curiously it happened as much with just me in it as with two people (S7 is tandem). Peter ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:19:54 AM PST US From: "Jean-Paul Roy" Subject: Re: Seaplane-List: 1100 floats --> Seaplane-List message posted by: "Jean-Paul Roy" Thanks Peter ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Cowan" Subject: Seaplane-List: 1100 floats > --> Seaplane-List message posted by: "Peter Cowan" > > Jean-Paul > They were also Aerocets. > Re the nose going under, I wondered if it was related to forward > CG because curiously it happened as much with just me in it as > with two people (S7 is tandem). > Peter > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:00:37 AM PST US From: "shorty" Subject: Seaplane-List: Re: Cabin heater --> Seaplane-List message posted by: "shorty" Kitfox 582 Heater http://lazair.com/kitfox/index.php?showtopic=119&st=0& Shorty Hey my floats are under 2 feeet of snow ----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter Cowan" Subject: Seaplane-List: 1100 floats > --> Seaplane-List message posted by: "Peter Cowan" > > Jean-Paul > They were also Aerocets. > Re the nose going under, I wondered if it was related to forward > CG because curiously it happened as much with just me in it as > with two people (S7 is tandem). > Peter > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:19 AM PST US From: "John A. Nielsen" Subject: Re: Seaplane-List: floats --> Seaplane-List message posted by: "John A. Nielsen" There is a set of PuddleJumper straight floats in the hanger with my Challenger. They are for sale through the airport owner (Don Zank 715-568-2244) The airport is in Bloomer WI. I don't have the model # or what he is asking for them...give him a call; I heard they are cheap. John Nielsen Paul Seehafer wrote: > --> Seaplane-List message posted by: "Paul Seehafer" > > Malcom, > > Find yourself a set of Avid fibreglass floats. They can be found pretty > easily for less than you could build a set of any kind of float. And float > building can be a VERY BIG job (just ask someone that has done it). Just > saw a set sell for $1500 with rigging that would bolt right up to your > airplane. They are great floats too. They are the floats shown on my Avid > in the video on the Kitfox Lazair site ( > http://lazair.com/kitfox/index.php?s=27120c2049dc8bf9ce245a060324e709&showforum=5 > ) Downside of the floats? Not overly strong (but not bad), and will > handle an airplane properly no more than 700 pounds empty weight. A 500 > lb'ish E.W. airplane (on wheels) would be perfect for these floats. The > heaviest I've flown on these was a 650 pound Mark IV Avid. But they worked > fine, just sat lower in the water. But never a problem. > > Another really good float is the Aerocet straight float. But they are > getting hard to find. > > Just my suggestion. > > Paul > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Subject: Seaplane-List: floats > > > >>--> Seaplane-List message posted by: Malcolmbru@aol.com >> >>realy need a set of float plans for a 1000 max kit fox >> >> >> > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:22:37 AM PST US From: Scott Perkins <2scott@bellsouth.net> Subject: Seaplane-List: Shortnaked's surprize payload calcs..... --> Seaplane-List message posted by: Scott Perkins <2scott@bellsouth.net> Shorty, it was third grade math that included addition and subtraction that allowed me to make that statement. Go ahead and subtract the 180 pounds or whatever your amphib float setups weigh from your gross and then "SURPRIZE" me with your answer. Maybe you will "surprize" us with being fully flyable and safe over factory spec gross weight ? ? Scott //////////////////////////////////////////// > --> Seaplane-List message posted by: "shorty" > > Scott, perhpas you could clue us in to your float experinece to make that > statement. > > I agree that you will cut your useful load but there are many that will > surprize you and many are fully flyable and safe dual. > > A Kitfox or Avid on Floats is a very useful floatplane for 2 people. > member you not gonna fit 2 300 pounder in a ealry avid in the first place as > the cabin is only 36" wide :) > > Scott what do you fly ? > > Shorty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Perkins" <2scott@bellsouth.net> > Subject: Seaplane-List: Floats added -- Msgs - 12/18/05 > > > --> Seaplane-List message posted by: Scott Perkins <2scott@bellsouth.net> > > > > > > Remember for most two seater aircraft the extra weight of the floats > > equals > > the passenger weight. Nearly impossible to fly any other way but solo > > with > > going way over gross weight. > > > > There is a yahoo group for Seaplane builders here > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/seabuild/ > > > > It works a little better for photos and files archival etc. > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:37:44 AM PST US From: Scott Perkins <2scott@bellsouth.net> Subject: Seaplane-List: Shortnaked's surprize payload calcs..... --> Seaplane-List message posted by: Scott Perkins <2scott@bellsouth.net> Shorty, it was third grade math that included addition and subtraction that allowed me to make that statement. Go ahead and subtract the 180 pounds or whatever your amphib float setups weigh from your gross and then "SURPRIZE" me with your answer. Maybe you will "surprize" us with being fully flyable and safe over factory spec gross weight ? ? Scott //////////////////////////////////////////// > --> Seaplane-List message posted by: "shorty" > > Scott, perhpas you could clue us in to your float experinece to make that > statement. > > I agree that you will cut your useful load but there are many that will > surprize you and many are fully flyable and safe dual. > > A Kitfox or Avid on Floats is a very useful floatplane for 2 people. > member you not gonna fit 2 300 pounder in a ealry avid in the first place as > the cabin is only 36" wide :) > > Scott what do you fly ? > > Shorty > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Scott Perkins" <2scott@bellsouth.net> > Subject: Seaplane-List: Floats added -- Msgs - 12/18/05 > > > --> Seaplane-List message posted by: Scott Perkins <2scott@bellsouth.net> > > > > > > Remember for most two seater aircraft the extra weight of the floats > > equals > > the passenger weight. Nearly impossible to fly any other way but solo > > with > > going way over gross weight. > > > > There is a yahoo group for Seaplane builders here > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/seabuild/ > > > > It works a little better for photos and files archival etc. > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:37:30 AM PST US From: "jnbolding1" Subject: Re: Seaplane-List: Shortnaked's surprize payload calcs..... --> Seaplane-List message posted by: "jnbolding1" >Shorty, it was third grade math that included addition and subtraction >that allowed me to make that statement. > >Go ahead and subtract the 180 pounds or whatever your amphib float >setups weigh from your gross and then "SURPRIZE" me with your answer. > >Maybe you will "surprize" us with being fully flyable and safe over >factory spec gross weight ? ? > >Scott >> Scott, perhpas you could clue us in to your float experinece to make that statement. I agree that you will cut your useful load but there are many that will >> surprize you and many are fully flyable and safe dual. >> A Kitfox or Avid on Floats is a very useful floatplane for 2 people. >> member you not gonna fit 2 300 pounder in a ealry avid in the first place as >> the cabin is only 36" wide :) >> Scott what do you fly ? >> Shorty Zenith allows you to up the gross weight by the difference between floats and wheels, (on the 701 at least) the justify this by saying that the floats carry their own weight aerodynamically, Chris confirmed this in a letter. John ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:53:40 AM PST US From: "shorty" Subject: Re: Seaplane-List: Shortnaked's surprize payload calcs..... --> Seaplane-List message posted by: "shorty" lemme see Kitfox 1200 gross empty 630 lbs on amphibs add 15 gals fuel - 100 lbs 730 add 2 - 200 pounders 1140 60 lbs left over for case of beer for when we fly to see what you fly what do you fly ? Shorty ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Perkins" <2scott@bellsouth.net> Subject: Seaplane-List: Shortnaked's surprize payload calcs..... > --> Seaplane-List message posted by: Scott Perkins <2scott@bellsouth.net> > > Shorty, it was third grade math that included addition and subtraction > that allowed me to make that statement. > > Go ahead and subtract the 180 pounds or whatever your amphib float > setups weigh from your gross and then "SURPRIZE" me with your answer. > > Maybe you will "surprize" us with being fully flyable and safe over > factory spec gross weight ? ? > > Scott > > //////////////////////////////////////////// >> --> Seaplane-List message posted by: "shorty" >> >> Scott, perhpas you could clue us in to your float experinece to make >> that >> statement. >> >> I agree that you will cut your useful load but there are many that will >> surprize you and many are fully flyable and safe dual. >> >> A Kitfox or Avid on Floats is a very useful floatplane for 2 people. >> member you not gonna fit 2 300 pounder in a ealry avid in the first place >> as >> the cabin is only 36" wide :) >> >> Scott what do you fly ? >> >> Shorty >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Scott Perkins" <2scott@bellsouth.net> >> Subject: Seaplane-List: Floats added -- Msgs - 12/18/05 >> >> > --> Seaplane-List message posted by: Scott Perkins >> > <2scott@bellsouth.net> >> > >> > >> > Remember for most two seater aircraft the extra weight of the floats >> > equals >> > the passenger weight. Nearly impossible to fly any other way but solo >> > with >> > going way over gross weight. >> > >> > There is a yahoo group for Seaplane builders here >> > >> > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/seabuild/ >> > >> > It works a little better for photos and files archival etc. >> > >> > >> > > > >