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1. 08:18 AM - Re: Kitfox-List: ALERT! ANYONE FLYING AEROCET 1100 FLOATS!! (Paul Seehafer)
2. 08:43 AM - Re: Kitfox-List: ALERT! ANYONE FLYING AEROCET 1100 FLOATS!! (Peter C)
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List: ALERT! ANYONE FLYING AEROCET 1100 FLOATS!! |
Noel,
At minimum, BEFORE YOU FLY AGAIN, measure the crimps. Mine looked perfect
too. They were pretty as can be and covered with a nice heat shrink rubber.
But those perfect crimps were the wrong size. Being they weren't tight on
the cable, the cable slid through the fitting when under a large load. You
do not want to have happen what happened to me. I was lucky as no damage to
the airplane. But it could have easily been disastrous!!!! Seriously, this
could be a fatal accident if conditions were right. If these cables were to
fail like mine did on a step taxi or early takeoff run, likely the airplane
would cartwheel. Yes, CARTWHEEL!
I don't want to see anyone get hurt over such a stupid, easy-to-fix problem.
So at least take the time to measure them with a nicopress go-no go gauge.
Someone around your airport probably has one. If not, just recrimp them and
I'm sure they will be fine. Just make sure you use the right size crimper.
On the telephone company style crimper tool I used to recrimp two of mine
after my incident, it was the second one in from the tip, I believe it was
marked with an "M", (but I'm not certain on that, so please make sure it is
the one for 1/8" cable). I absolutely would not fly a set of these floats
unless I knew those nicopresses were crimped properly. And it's not a big
deal. Any aircraft repair shop will have the tools, and it will take no
more than 10-15 minutes total. And you don't even have to take anything
apart.
None of my crimps passed the gauge test. So it isn't IF your cables will
fail, it's WHEN! And let me tell you when it happens, you will remember me
trying to tell you all this.
Sorry for being abrupt. I don't want to see any of my buddies endure the
stress I did from the situation. Much less get hurt.
Paul Seehafer
----- Original Message -----
From: "Noel Loveys" <noelloveys@yahoo.ca>
Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 11:18 AM
Subject: RE: Seaplane-List: Kitfox-List: ALERT! ANYONE FLYING AEROCET 1100
FLOATS!!
>
> I have the same cables on my floats. The NICO press looks perfect. My
> plane is still low time and I don't fly in much wind so I'm going to wait
> till the winter to replace the cables. I'll put that job in my journey
> log
> so I won't forget. I'm also going to put a close inspection of the NICO
> press fittings in my pre flight check list.
>
> Noel
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-seaplane-list-server@matronics.com
>> [mailto:owner-seaplane-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf
>> Of Paul Seehafer
>> Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2007 9:37 AM
>> To: seaplane-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Seaplane-List: Kitfox-List: ALERT! ANYONE FLYING
>> AEROCET 1100 FLOATS!!
>>
>>
>> <av8rps@tznet.com>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Guy,
>>
>> I never knew anything about what you are saying here. So
>> thank you for
>> informing me. I also had a friend tell me he converted to
>> threaded rod
>> like
>> is used on larger floats. I think that will be the route I
>> will take. I'm
>> currently checking availability.
>>
>> For what it's worth, I did test the new cables I made up and
>> they passed
>> the
>> 1200 pound pull test listed for 1/8" wire. But as you say,
>> if I shouldn't
>> be using this setup, I will convert either to the threaded
>> rod or swage on
>> different ends.
>>
>> It's simply amazing what one can learn by sharing information...
>>
>> Thanks again for the info.
>>
>> Paul Seehafer
>> Kitfox IV-1200 912ul Aerocet Amphibs
>>
>>
>> > ----- Original Message -----
>> > From: "Guy Buchanan" <bnn@nethere.com>
>> >> Paul,
>> >> Thanks for the pictures, without them your
>> diagnosis would have
>> >> been wrong and you would have had more failures. Your nico
>> sleeve failed
>> >> because it was on 1x19 wire. Nico sleeves are intended
>> solely for 7x19
>> >> wire and should NEVER be used on 1x19! (Yes, that's
>> CAPITAL N - NEVER!
>> >> Some people try two sleeves on 1x19, thinking that will
>> work. DON'T DO
>> >> IT! You can also use them on 7x7, but you shouldn't be
>> using 7x7 for
>> >> structural applications anyway.) ANY STRUCTURAL 1X19 WIRE
>> TERMINATED WITH
>> >> NICO SLEEVES SHOULD BE IMMEDIATELY REPLACED BY 1X19 WITH
>> SWAGED AIRCRAFT
>> >> FITTINGS.
>> >> If you require references I'll dig them up, but I
>> know this well,
>> >> having worked in yacht rigging and design for 20 years. I
>> also can't tell
>> >> you, off the top of my head, what fraction of the wire's
>> capability a
>> >> 1x19 nico will carry, since we never did it; but I saw
>> many failures,
>> >> mostly Hobie cat rigs.
>> >> Now I know this is going to require some work on
>> your part, since
>> >> your tabs may not provide enough clearance for the
>> air-fork clevis, but
>> >> please take the time to do it right. And please spread the
>> word. If your
>> >> hardware came from Aerocet, you might let them know that
>> they have taken
>> >> on excess liability in this regard.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Guy Buchanan
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Kitfox-List: ALERT! ANYONE FLYING AEROCET 1100 FLOATS!! |
It looks like we do have a difference of opinion here since Paul is saying
do the Nicopress sleeves correctly to fix the problem and Guy is saying no
Nico with 1x19.
Guy you offered references and I for one, while not doubting you, would
appreciate more data.
Many thanks
Peter
----- Original Message -----
From: "Paul Seehafer" <av8rps@tznet.com>
. Being they weren't tight on
> the cable, the cable slid through the fitting when under a large load.
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