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1. 06:41 AM - Re: weight, resale (Don Walker)
2. 07:20 AM - Re: Re: Stratus-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 11/19/05 (Larry McFarland)
3. 08:13 AM - Re: weight, resale (Larry McFarland)
4. 08:16 AM - Re: Re: Stratus-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 11/19/05 (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
5. 10:56 AM - Re: weight, resale (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
6. 11:52 AM - Re: weight, resale (rueffy@jetthrust.com)
7. 12:05 PM - Re: weight, resale (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
8. 12:53 PM - Re: weight, resale (Don Walker)
9. 01:59 PM - Re: weight, resale (Bryan Martin)
10. 02:53 PM - Re: weight, resale (rueffy@jetthrust.com)
11. 03:43 PM - Re: weight, resale (Bryan Martin)
12. 04:36 PM - Re: weight, resale (Gary K)
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| Subject: | Re: weight, resale |
--> Stratus-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <d3dw@msn.com>
When I first read your question, I was concerned that you wouldn't be happy with
that much reduction in performance going from 100+ to 80 hp. Get ready for a
little let down if that happens. I, too, remember the days of just checking
the oil, walking around with a quick preflight, and then going. But like you,
now I open the cowl each time and look her over really good...the mounts, the
belt reduction system...etc. I like the simplicity of the lyc/cont. I never
have to add oil, though , like on my old continental. But I have grown to like
the quiet, smooth and efficient, inexpensive operation of the Subaru. At nearly
400 hours, I trust it more now. It has definitely been inexpensive to operate
and work on.
Ditto on the perception you have of Mikel. That has been a big disappointment
to me. He bought it as a business, not as a pilot. He is not familiar with
aviation or really that interested it seems. Reiner had a good business strategy...build
it, have fun, sell it and then move to Florida and disappear.
I won't switch, but I would probably use a different engine if I build another
plane. don walker
----- Original Message -----
From: rueffy@jetthrust.com<mailto:rueffy@jetthrust.com>
To: stratus-list@matronics.com<mailto:stratus-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2006 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: Stratus-List: weight, resale
--> Stratus-List message posted by: rueffy@jetthrust.com<mailto:rueffy@jetthrust.com>
I'm still undecided on a definate switch. I have been happy with the Stratus.
I know this particualar engine had a failure and forced landing (float plane
on
water - no sweat) because only one ignition coil was installed and something
in
there failed. I dont exactly know the full story but by the time I bought it
had 2 coils. Since I've had it its been fine. Im thinking about a switch for
a couple of reasons. I'm leaving the floats and going to wheels so I dont need
rediculous power like I wanted on the floats (it was only a 750lb plane empty
-
you should have seen the looks when I blasted off the water and climbed at
1000ft/min with a full load of people/fuel). Im actually concerned the 100hp
is too much for an airframe which Fisher has only rated for 80hp and most
people go with 60hp I think. Plus the airframe wasn't excatly built to precise
fisher specs...things were changed and I dont want to be the dunce to find out
100hp is too much on a full power takeoff. Having the HP and using it are two
different things I know.
Im also considering a switch for peice of mind. I know the history of cont/lyc
is not as stellar as public opinion thinks, but I seem to have no concerns
about checking the oil and jumping and blasting off. Maybe it was the fact I
learnt on lyc/cont engines. However with the soob I am paranoid and before
every flight I remove top cowl, do a full engine inspection and go over
everything. It seems to take away from the joy somehow.
Another reason I am thinking of a switch, and im sorry to say this, is that im
not totally comfortable with Mykal as the new owner. He has been helpful to
me, shipped me things, answered prompty which I cant fault. But I get the
feeling he is in it purely and soley to manufacture and sell. The drive and the
love that Reiner had for the product doesn't seem to be there with Mykal. I
wish him the best, but thats my distant observation. I've heard several
second-hand stories of Mykals "it should be alright" approach to constant speed
prop and other questions. I think the manufacturer should be at the forefront
of their engines testing, not the customers. When the testbed C150 was put up
for sale it pretty much reinforced my thoughts above.
Anyway, perhaps this will start some good discussions. Lets talk about why and
why I should not change this engine over. One other thing while I think of it
- the soob installation is pretty cluttered firewall forward. I saw a cont
installation locally that I would copy - its beautifully clean firewall
forward, just looks so sweet. Nothing but frame and engine basically with a
bit of ducting.
Brett
Quoting Gary K <garyk2@cox.net<mailto:garyk2@cox.net>>:
> --> Stratus-List message posted by: "Gary K" <garyk2@cox.net<mailto:garyk2@cox.net>>
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> > Im considering replacing my Stratus EA81 with a continental 80hp during
> > the
> > rebuild. Once of my main concerns will be weight. Can anyone recall what
> > their engine/accesories weight was as they installed?
> - mine was 185 lbs as advertised w/o muffler, rad, etc. i'm sure there's a
> wide varience between accessory weights but to compare to a cont (not
> counting prop, engine mount, gascolator/fuel lines, battery, etc) i'd guess
> 210 -220 lbs? muffler - 5lbs, rad - 5lbs, coolant - 5lbs, plus 185 200.
> i have lot's of exact weights for items but never added everything up.
>
> > Has anybody seen used Stratus engines sell - what did they sell for, im
> > wondering if the sale price would cover a mid time continental.
> - i've only seen one for sale for about $5K but not sure if it was sold. it
>
> was the vision aircraft company http://www.visionaircraft.com/<http://www.visionaircraft.com/>, maybe you
> can find out from them if they sold it.
>
> - just curious - why switch? bad luck with the Stratus?
>
> gary
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| Subject: | Re: Stratus-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 11/19/05 |
--> Stratus-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
I fueled both Piper and Cessna while building the Stratus powered Zenith
and the fuel burn was always
between 6.0 and 7.5 gallons per hour of 100LL. The price of fuel at our
local airports has been $3.50
or more for the past 6 months. Thats $22 to $26 an hour. The 3.5 to 4.5
gallon per hour cost of flying a
Subaru is $8 to $10. Of course, those are only numbers for anyone that
can afford it. But gas prices are
going to go back up closer to $3 in the foreseeable future and 100LL
will be back at $4.50
I see it as a challenge choose primary vehicles for their ability to
average 30 mpg. I know that on cost,
fuel and maintenance, the Subaru beats the Continental hands down.
The future for 100LL is not good, so perhaps one day soon we'll resolve
this disparity.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
rueffy@jetthrust.com wrote:
>--> Stratus-List message posted by: rueffy@jetthrust.com
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>For me I dont really see economy as a consideration. Fuel burn on both is at
>the very low end of the aviation spectrum. I will only fly recreationally once
>a week at the most and avgas is not that much more considering if you can
>afford a plane, you can afford a few extra cents!! Good question though.
>Thanks for th weights and your numbers. You can get lightweight starters and
>tiny lightweight alternators to replace the generator for the cont now I
>believe. I had a local A&P tell me if you get lean and mean you can get cont
>weight down to 180 region.
>
>Brett
>
>Quoting Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>:
>
>
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>>--> Stratus-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
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>>Rueffy,
>>The Stratus EA-81 all up is near 215 lbs, I believe the continental is
>>more like 205, not so much a
>>difference, but the horsepower would be similiar. I frequently see
>>Continentals at or near $3500.
>>Your Stratus is going to be worth close to that or a little more. You
>>like burning 100LL? instead
>>of 87-octane car gas. I'm surprised you'd swap with that kind of
>>economy going for you.
>>
>>Larry McFarland 601HDS with Stratus
>>do not archive
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>>rueffy@jetthrust.com wrote:
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>>>--> Stratus-List message posted by: rueffy@jetthrust.com
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>>>Hi all,
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>>>Im considering replacing my Stratus EA81 with a continental 80hp during the
>>>rebuild. Once of my main concerns will be weight. Can anyone recall what
>>>their engine/accesories weight was as they installed?
>>>
>>>Has anybody seen used Stratus engines sell - what did they sell for, im
>>>wondering if the sale price would cover a mid time continental.
>>>
>>>Cheerio all from an unusally warm Vancouver, Canada
>>>
>>>Brett
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--> Stratus-List message posted by: Larry McFarland <larrymc@qconline.com>
Brett,
On these issues, I totally empathize with you. The Subaru is not the
old familiar Continental and no one
sets out to install one of these without having been sweated out,
learning about ignition, fuel mixtures, proper
adjustment of carburetor linkages, belt adjustment, cooling, hoses and
radiators. A lot to expect of a person just wanting to
fly. I went thru all of these and the Subaru engine check has only
recently become routine without anxiety.
On past Continentals I've flown, I only found oil leaks, muffler leaks,
fuel leaks, fouled plugs, loose plugs, dead batteries
a mag that would become intermittent and a broken tach cable. Also found
a bird nest once. I never felt stressed going
cross country with the sound of the Continental penetrating my headset,
tiring my eardrums the whole way. That was the
way it was supposed to be. The parts search was no worse, but it was
lots more expensive to replace a cylinder or find
a replacement exhaust muffler. But that's what was expected.
Mykal has lost some control of his configuration, but the engine is not
his mfr and the accessories that are special
to the Stratus are not complicated by themselves. The Bing carbs are
great performers, pricey, but dependable.
The belt drive is maintainable without Stratus help. After resolving and
troubleshooting all the mechanicals, I'm
only a year later, getting comfortable with the extreme reliability of
the engine. The comfort is in realizing I'm
capable of repairing the few things most likely to go wrong. I like the
sound of this water cooled engine. I'm
able to tolerate its smooth humm for hours. For these reasons, I just
don't see making a change from the Subaru
in the future. It would have to be water cooled and be able to burn
87-octane or 100LL without compromise.
Larry McFarland - 601HDS
rueffy@jetthrust.com wrote:
>--> Stratus-List message posted by: rueffy@jetthrust.com
>
>
>Im also considering a switch for peice of mind. I know the history of cont/lyc
>is not as stellar as public opinion thinks, but I seem to have no concerns
>about checking the oil and jumping and blasting off. Maybe it was the fact I
>learnt on lyc/cont engines. However with the soob I am paranoid and before
>every flight I remove top cowl, do a full engine inspection and go over
>everything. It seems to take away from the joy somehow.
>
>Anyway, perhaps this will start some good discussions. Lets talk about why and
>why I should not change this engine over. One other thing while I think of it
>- the soob installation is pretty cluttered firewall forward. I saw a cont
>installation locally that I would copy - its beautifully clean firewall
>forward, just looks so sweet. Nothing but frame and engine basically with a
>bit of ducting.
>
>Brett
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| Subject: | Re: Stratus-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 11/19/05 |
--> Stratus-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
I bet the Continantal would run just fine on autofuel, unless it's a
model witht the soft valve seats..Try to find a certified airplane that
has an STC for autofuel to be sure.
Remember aircooled motors run much hotter so be even more careful not to
rely on the engine driven fuel pump lest you want to end up in the
weeds!
Frank
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry
McFarland
Subject: Re: Stratus-List: Re: Stratus-List Digest: 1 Msgs - 11/19/05
--> Stratus-List message posted by: Larry McFarland
--> <larrymc@qconline.com>
Rueffy,
The Stratus EA-81 all up is near 215 lbs, I believe the continental is
more like 205, not so much a difference, but the horsepower would be
similiar. I frequently see Continentals at or near $3500.
Your Stratus is going to be worth close to that or a little more. You
like burning 100LL? instead of 87-octane car gas. I'm surprised you'd
swap with that kind of economy going for you.
Larry McFarland 601HDS with Stratus
do not archive
rueffy@jetthrust.com wrote:
>--> Stratus-List message posted by: rueffy@jetthrust.com
>
>Hi all,
>
>Im considering replacing my Stratus EA81 with a continental 80hp during
>the rebuild. Once of my main concerns will be weight. Can anyone
>recall what their engine/accesories weight was as they installed?
>
>Has anybody seen used Stratus engines sell - what did they sell for, im
>wondering if the sale price would cover a mid time continental.
>
>Cheerio all from an unusally warm Vancouver, Canada
>
>Brett
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--> Stratus-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Hello Brett,
My two cents is don't change the engine. There are a couple of weak
points you should look into but they are way less hassle, cost and
airplane downtime that an engine swap.
The Stratus set up is a very reliable installation provided you do three
things.
1) Take the heads off and send them to ram Performance for his stepped
valve guide installation. This was (IS) the number 1 reliability concern
with the motor.
2) Check that you not only have two coils but also two coil pickup
sysytems. This should be the original Subaru unit under the distributor
cap and a second one run off of the flywheel and is on the left side of
the engine just below the starter I think? The Subaru chip is feeble and
you should replace this regardless with a NAPA TP 45 ignition chip,
wired into the pickup coil...This makes a bullet proof installation. The
Startus secondary systems has a fairly high failure rate as well and I
and a few others have built systems using 2 TP 45 modules to replace
both of these setups.
3) The RH upper engine mount can crack...Easy to weld up a reinforcing
plate however.
I simply don't buy the "My airframe is not rated to take the power"
argument...I have a friend with a so called 300HP gLassair with a 700HP
turbine on it....You should see that thing GO!...Anyway...for 20 extra
HP its really a non issue unless maybe you are going to run around at
full power....But I bet the extra 5mph but 30% extra fuel will be a
natural limiter. You can then save the power for spectacular take offs
and high altitude cruise.....I mean like 10,000 feet or so.
Now the engine weight is the killer...the shock of landing with a really
heavy engine upfront is way more injurous to the airframe than the extra
power would be. If your engine is not much heavier than the design
called for I really wouldn't worry about it.
Provided the re-drive is in good shape (I would change the bearings
rather than dismanlte/inspect/relubricate at the 300 hour
intervals...They are cheap from a bearing supplier) i.e the teeth are
not worn I think you have a good set up.
Frank
Zodaic HDS Stratus (with mods) 387 hours
RV7A finishing with Lyc IO360
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com
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rueffy@jetthrust.com
Subject: Re: Stratus-List: weight, resale
--> Stratus-List message posted by: rueffy@jetthrust.com
I'm still undecided on a definate switch. I have been happy with the
Stratus.
I know this particualar engine had a failure and forced landing (float
plane on water - no sweat) because only one ignition coil was installed
and something in there failed. I dont exactly know the full story but
by the time I bought it had 2 coils. Since I've had it its been fine.
Im thinking about a switch for a couple of reasons. I'm leaving the
floats and going to wheels so I dont need rediculous power like I wanted
on the floats (it was only a 750lb plane empty - you should have seen
the looks when I blasted off the water and climbed at 1000ft/min with a
full load of people/fuel). Im actually concerned the 100hp is too much
for an airframe which Fisher has only rated for 80hp and most people go
with 60hp I think. Plus the airframe wasn't excatly built to precise
fisher specs...things were changed and I dont want to be the dunce to
find out 100hp is too much on a full power takeoff. Having the HP and
using it are two different things I know.
Im also considering a switch for peice of mind. I know the history of
cont/lyc is not as stellar as public opinion thinks, but I seem to have
no concerns about checking the oil and jumping and blasting off. Maybe
it was the fact I learnt on lyc/cont engines. However with the soob I
am paranoid and before every flight I remove top cowl, do a full engine
inspection and go over everything. It seems to take away from the joy
somehow.
Another reason I am thinking of a switch, and im sorry to say this, is
that im not totally comfortable with Mykal as the new owner. He has
been helpful to me, shipped me things, answered prompty which I cant
fault. But I get the feeling he is in it purely and soley to
manufacture and sell. The drive and the love that Reiner had for the
product doesn't seem to be there with Mykal. I wish him the best, but
thats my distant observation. I've heard several second-hand stories of
Mykals "it should be alright" approach to constant speed prop and other
questions. I think the manufacturer should be at the forefront of their
engines testing, not the customers. When the testbed C150 was put up
for sale it pretty much reinforced my thoughts above.
Anyway, perhaps this will start some good discussions. Lets talk about
why and why I should not change this engine over. One other thing while
I think of it
- the soob installation is pretty cluttered firewall forward. I saw a
cont installation locally that I would copy - its beautifully clean
firewall forward, just looks so sweet. Nothing but frame and engine
basically with a bit of ducting.
Brett
Quoting Gary K <garyk2@cox.net>:
> --> Stratus-List message posted by: "Gary K" <garyk2@cox.net>
>
> > Im considering replacing my Stratus EA81 with a continental 80hp
> > during the rebuild. Once of my main concerns will be weight. Can
> > anyone recall what their engine/accesories weight was as they
> > installed?
> - mine was 185 lbs as advertised w/o muffler, rad, etc. i'm sure
> there's a wide varience between accessory weights but to compare to a
> cont (not counting prop, engine mount, gascolator/fuel lines, battery,
> etc) i'd guess 210 -220 lbs? muffler - 5lbs, rad - 5lbs, coolant -
5lbs, plus 185 = 200.
> i have lot's of exact weights for items but never added everything up.
>
> > Has anybody seen used Stratus engines sell - what did they sell for,
> > im wondering if the sale price would cover a mid time continental.
> - i've only seen one for sale for about $5K but not sure if it was
> sold. it
>
> was the vision aircraft company http://www.visionaircraft.com/, maybe
> you can find out from them if they sold it.
>
> - just curious - why switch? bad luck with the Stratus?
>
> gary
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--> Stratus-List message posted by: rueffy@jetthrust.com
There has been some excellent discussion. Thank you all for your opinions which
have largely been based on fact or expereince rather than "I heard" or hearsay
or "my friend" To continue the discussion.
Frank. I agree a great move is to send the heads to Ram. However I think this
is totally unacceptable that you should have to take a package that costs
something like $7000 new and as soon as you unpack it take heads off and spend
more getting things redone. This issue should be dealt with my the prodcucer
not the customer. Goes back to what I was saying about the pro's/con's of
Reiner Vs Mykal running the business. Same goes for the cracked engine mount.
This has happened enough times that I expect Stratus, not the customer to be
dealing with this.
Regarding Engine Weight. I am actually hoping to reduce wieght with a C80. If
the C80 will be overall heavier, it will probably lean me back towards keeping
the soob. Plus I dont think I will be loosing the full 20 HP from the EA81 to
the C80. Im pretty sure after 250hrs of running im not getting the full 100Hp
due to a variety of reasons, slight mistune, carbs need a service etc. Plus I
know Im not getting a full 100hp because I only achieve 5200rpm on takeoff, not
the 5500rpm required for 100hp. So it may not be as drastic as a full 20hp
drop. One thing I will miss if I change is the ability to ground adjust the
prop.
Really interesting to hear other people have the same routine I do...cowl off,
check everything, hoses, cables, engine mount, redrive etc etc. It can be
tedious and I often wonder what my passenger thinks.
Cheerio. This decision is a long way from being made. I have lots of time to
think about things.
Brett
Quoting "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>:
> --> Stratus-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Hello Brett,
>
> My two cents is don't change the engine. There are a couple of weak
> points you should look into but they are way less hassle, cost and
> airplane downtime that an engine swap.
>
> The Stratus set up is a very reliable installation provided you do three
> things.
>
> 1) Take the heads off and send them to ram Performance for his stepped
> valve guide installation. This was (IS) the number 1 reliability concern
> with the motor.
>
> 2) Check that you not only have two coils but also two coil pickup
> sysytems. This should be the original Subaru unit under the distributor
> cap and a second one run off of the flywheel and is on the left side of
> the engine just below the starter I think? The Subaru chip is feeble and
> you should replace this regardless with a NAPA TP 45 ignition chip,
> wired into the pickup coil...This makes a bullet proof installation. The
> Startus secondary systems has a fairly high failure rate as well and I
> and a few others have built systems using 2 TP 45 modules to replace
> both of these setups.
>
> 3) The RH upper engine mount can crack...Easy to weld up a reinforcing
> plate however.
>
> I simply don't buy the "My airframe is not rated to take the power"
> argument...I have a friend with a so called 300HP gLassair with a 700HP
> turbine on it....You should see that thing GO!...Anyway...for 20 extra
> HP its really a non issue unless maybe you are going to run around at
> full power....But I bet the extra 5mph but 30% extra fuel will be a
> natural limiter. You can then save the power for spectacular take offs
> and high altitude cruise.....I mean like 10,000 feet or so.
>
> Now the engine weight is the killer...the shock of landing with a really
> heavy engine upfront is way more injurous to the airframe than the extra
> power would be. If your engine is not much heavier than the design
> called for I really wouldn't worry about it.
>
> Provided the re-drive is in good shape (I would change the bearings
> rather than dismanlte/inspect/relubricate at the 300 hour
> intervals...They are cheap from a bearing supplier) i.e the teeth are
> not worn I think you have a good set up.
>
> Frank
> Zodaic HDS Stratus (with mods) 387 hours
> RV7A finishing with Lyc IO360
>
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> Subject: Re: Stratus-List: weight, resale
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> --> Stratus-List message posted by: rueffy@jetthrust.com
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> I'm still undecided on a definate switch. I have been happy with the
> Stratus.
> I know this particualar engine had a failure and forced landing (float
> plane on water - no sweat) because only one ignition coil was installed
> and something in there failed. I dont exactly know the full story but
> by the time I bought it had 2 coils. Since I've had it its been fine.
> Im thinking about a switch for a couple of reasons. I'm leaving the
> floats and going to wheels so I dont need rediculous power like I wanted
> on the floats (it was only a 750lb plane empty - you should have seen
> the looks when I blasted off the water and climbed at 1000ft/min with a
> full load of people/fuel). Im actually concerned the 100hp is too much
> for an airframe which Fisher has only rated for 80hp and most people go
> with 60hp I think. Plus the airframe wasn't excatly built to precise
> fisher specs...things were changed and I dont want to be the dunce to
> find out 100hp is too much on a full power takeoff. Having the HP and
> using it are two different things I know.
>
> Im also considering a switch for peice of mind. I know the history of
> cont/lyc is not as stellar as public opinion thinks, but I seem to have
> no concerns about checking the oil and jumping and blasting off. Maybe
> it was the fact I learnt on lyc/cont engines. However with the soob I
> am paranoid and before every flight I remove top cowl, do a full engine
> inspection and go over everything. It seems to take away from the joy
> somehow.
>
> Another reason I am thinking of a switch, and im sorry to say this, is
> that im not totally comfortable with Mykal as the new owner. He has
> been helpful to me, shipped me things, answered prompty which I cant
> fault. But I get the feeling he is in it purely and soley to
> manufacture and sell. The drive and the love that Reiner had for the
> product doesn't seem to be there with Mykal. I wish him the best, but
> thats my distant observation. I've heard several second-hand stories of
> Mykals "it should be alright" approach to constant speed prop and other
> questions. I think the manufacturer should be at the forefront of their
> engines testing, not the customers. When the testbed C150 was put up
> for sale it pretty much reinforced my thoughts above.
>
> Anyway, perhaps this will start some good discussions. Lets talk about
> why and why I should not change this engine over. One other thing while
> I think of it
> - the soob installation is pretty cluttered firewall forward. I saw a
> cont installation locally that I would copy - its beautifully clean
> firewall forward, just looks so sweet. Nothing but frame and engine
> basically with a bit of ducting.
>
> Brett
>
> Quoting Gary K <garyk2@cox.net>:
>
> > --> Stratus-List message posted by: "Gary K" <garyk2@cox.net>
> >
> > > Im considering replacing my Stratus EA81 with a continental 80hp
> > > during the rebuild. Once of my main concerns will be weight. Can
> > > anyone recall what their engine/accesories weight was as they
> > > installed?
> > - mine was 185 lbs as advertised w/o muffler, rad, etc. i'm sure
> > there's a wide varience between accessory weights but to compare to a
> > cont (not counting prop, engine mount, gascolator/fuel lines, battery,
>
> > etc) i'd guess 210 -220 lbs? muffler - 5lbs, rad - 5lbs, coolant -
> 5lbs, plus 185 = 200.
> > i have lot's of exact weights for items but never added everything up.
> >
> > > Has anybody seen used Stratus engines sell - what did they sell for,
>
> > > im wondering if the sale price would cover a mid time continental.
> > - i've only seen one for sale for about $5K but not sure if it was
> > sold. it
> >
> > was the vision aircraft company http://www.visionaircraft.com/, maybe
> > you can find out from them if they sold it.
> >
> > - just curious - why switch? bad luck with the Stratus?
> >
> > gary
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--> Stratus-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Hmmm...Not quite, My engine was an original Reiner and it dropped guides
as well. Every so called "solution" from Mykal has either failed (twice)
or was unnaceptable...Believe me I was more than angry about this
situation.
However now I have gone thru this learning curve I have hopefully sent a
number of builders to Ram to solve the problem before it starts.
Bottom line, now we know how, the Stratus is a Very reliable package.
The carbs are simple to rebuild and ought to be done alongside a jetting
check when you get your heads back.
Notice I'm putting a Lycoming in the RV....:)...But I think your closer
to a reliable setup going with what you've got rather than starting
over.
Frank
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--> Stratus-List message posted by: rueffy@jetthrust.com
There has been some excellent discussion. Thank you all for your
opinions which have largely been based on fact or expereince rather than
"I heard" or hearsay or "my friend" To continue the discussion.
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--> Stratus-List message posted by: "Don Walker" <d3dw@msn.com>
Really interesting to hear other people have the same routine I do...cowl off,
check everything, hoses, cables, engine mount, redrive etc etc. It can be
tedious and I often wonder what my passenger thinks.
I'll tell you what they think. I've taken over ninety passengers now, have gotten
a bit of feedback, and they really appreciate seeing you look closely at your
airplane before you take off. However, I have taken a bit of flack from fellow
pilot friends who talk about how many times that dang cowl has been removed.
don walker do not archive
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To: stratus-list@matronics.com<mailto:stratus-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, January 09, 2006 1:51 PM
Subject: RE: Stratus-List: weight, resale
--> Stratus-List message posted by: rueffy@jetthrust.com<mailto:rueffy@jetthrust.com>
There has been some excellent discussion. Thank you all for your opinions which
have largely been based on fact or expereince rather than "I heard" or hearsay
or "my friend" To continue the discussion.
Frank. I agree a great move is to send the heads to Ram. However I think this
is totally unacceptable that you should have to take a package that costs
something like $7000 new and as soon as you unpack it take heads off and spend
more getting things redone. This issue should be dealt with my the prodcucer
not the customer. Goes back to what I was saying about the pro's/con's of
Reiner Vs Mykal running the business. Same goes for the cracked engine mount.
This has happened enough times that I expect Stratus, not the customer to be
dealing with this.
Regarding Engine Weight. I am actually hoping to reduce wieght with a C80.
If
the C80 will be overall heavier, it will probably lean me back towards keeping
the soob. Plus I dont think I will be loosing the full 20 HP from the EA81 to
the C80. Im pretty sure after 250hrs of running im not getting the full 100Hp
due to a variety of reasons, slight mistune, carbs need a service etc. Plus
I
know Im not getting a full 100hp because I only achieve 5200rpm on takeoff, not
the 5500rpm required for 100hp. So it may not be as drastic as a full 20hp
drop. One thing I will miss if I change is the ability to ground adjust the
prop.
Really interesting to hear other people have the same routine I do...cowl off,
check everything, hoses, cables, engine mount, redrive etc etc. It can be
tedious and I often wonder what my passenger thinks.
Cheerio. This decision is a long way from being made. I have lots of time to
think about things.
Brett
Quoting "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com<mailto:frank.hinde@hp.com>>:
> --> Stratus-List message posted by: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)"
> <frank.hinde@hp.com<mailto:frank.hinde@hp.com>>
>
> Hello Brett,
>
> My two cents is don't change the engine. There are a couple of weak
> points you should look into but they are way less hassle, cost and
> airplane downtime that an engine swap.
>
> The Stratus set up is a very reliable installation provided you do three
> things.
>
> 1) Take the heads off and send them to ram Performance for his stepped
> valve guide installation. This was (IS) the number 1 reliability concern
> with the motor.
>
> 2) Check that you not only have two coils but also two coil pickup
> sysytems. This should be the original Subaru unit under the distributor
> cap and a second one run off of the flywheel and is on the left side of
> the engine just below the starter I think? The Subaru chip is feeble and
> you should replace this regardless with a NAPA TP 45 ignition chip,
> wired into the pickup coil...This makes a bullet proof installation. The
> Startus secondary systems has a fairly high failure rate as well and I
> and a few others have built systems using 2 TP 45 modules to replace
> both of these setups.
>
> 3) The RH upper engine mount can crack...Easy to weld up a reinforcing
> plate however.
>
> I simply don't buy the "My airframe is not rated to take the power"
> argument...I have a friend with a so called 300HP gLassair with a 700HP
> turbine on it....You should see that thing GO!...Anyway...for 20 extra
> HP its really a non issue unless maybe you are going to run around at
> full power....But I bet the extra 5mph but 30% extra fuel will be a
> natural limiter. You can then save the power for spectacular take offs
> and high altitude cruise.....I mean like 10,000 feet or so.
>
> Now the engine weight is the killer...the shock of landing with a really
> heavy engine upfront is way more injurous to the airframe than the extra
> power would be. If your engine is not much heavier than the design
> called for I really wouldn't worry about it.
>
> Provided the re-drive is in good shape (I would change the bearings
> rather than dismanlte/inspect/relubricate at the 300 hour
> intervals...They are cheap from a bearing supplier) i.e the teeth are
> not worn I think you have a good set up.
>
> Frank
> Zodaic HDS Stratus (with mods) 387 hours
> RV7A finishing with Lyc IO360
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com<mailto:owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com>
> [mailto:owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> rueffy@jetthrust.com<mailto:rueffy@jetthrust.com>
> To: stratus-list@matronics.com<mailto:stratus-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Stratus-List: weight, resale
>
> --> Stratus-List message posted by: rueffy@jetthrust.com<mailto:rueffy@jetthrust.com>
>
> I'm still undecided on a definate switch. I have been happy with the
> Stratus.
> I know this particualar engine had a failure and forced landing (float
> plane on water - no sweat) because only one ignition coil was installed
> and something in there failed. I dont exactly know the full story but
> by the time I bought it had 2 coils. Since I've had it its been fine.
> Im thinking about a switch for a couple of reasons. I'm leaving the
> floats and going to wheels so I dont need rediculous power like I wanted
> on the floats (it was only a 750lb plane empty - you should have seen
> the looks when I blasted off the water and climbed at 1000ft/min with a
> full load of people/fuel). Im actually concerned the 100hp is too much
> for an airframe which Fisher has only rated for 80hp and most people go
> with 60hp I think. Plus the airframe wasn't excatly built to precise
> fisher specs...things were changed and I dont want to be the dunce to
> find out 100hp is too much on a full power takeoff. Having the HP and
> using it are two different things I know.
>
> Im also considering a switch for peice of mind. I know the history of
> cont/lyc is not as stellar as public opinion thinks, but I seem to have
> no concerns about checking the oil and jumping and blasting off. Maybe
> it was the fact I learnt on lyc/cont engines. However with the soob I
> am paranoid and before every flight I remove top cowl, do a full engine
> inspection and go over everything. It seems to take away from the joy
> somehow.
>
> Another reason I am thinking of a switch, and im sorry to say this, is
> that im not totally comfortable with Mykal as the new owner. He has
> been helpful to me, shipped me things, answered prompty which I cant
> fault. But I get the feeling he is in it purely and soley to
> manufacture and sell. The drive and the love that Reiner had for the
> product doesn't seem to be there with Mykal. I wish him the best, but
> thats my distant observation. I've heard several second-hand stories of
> Mykals "it should be alright" approach to constant speed prop and other
> questions. I think the manufacturer should be at the forefront of their
> engines testing, not the customers. When the testbed C150 was put up
> for sale it pretty much reinforced my thoughts above.
>
> Anyway, perhaps this will start some good discussions. Lets talk about
> why and why I should not change this engine over. One other thing while
> I think of it
> - the soob installation is pretty cluttered firewall forward. I saw a
> cont installation locally that I would copy - its beautifully clean
> firewall forward, just looks so sweet. Nothing but frame and engine
> basically with a bit of ducting.
>
> Brett
>
> Quoting Gary K <garyk2@cox.net<mailto:garyk2@cox.net>>:
>
> > --> Stratus-List message posted by: "Gary K" <garyk2@cox.net<mailto:garyk2@cox.net>>
> >
> > > Im considering replacing my Stratus EA81 with a continental 80hp
> > > during the rebuild. Once of my main concerns will be weight. Can
> > > anyone recall what their engine/accesories weight was as they
> > > installed?
> > - mine was 185 lbs as advertised w/o muffler, rad, etc. i'm sure
> > there's a wide varience between accessory weights but to compare to a
> > cont (not counting prop, engine mount, gascolator/fuel lines, battery,
>
> > etc) i'd guess 210 -220 lbs? muffler - 5lbs, rad - 5lbs, coolant -
> 5lbs, plus 185 200.
> > i have lot's of exact weights for items but never added everything up.
> >
> > > Has anybody seen used Stratus engines sell - what did they sell for,
>
> > > im wondering if the sale price would cover a mid time continental.
> > - i've only seen one for sale for about $5K but not sure if it was
> > sold. it
> >
> > was the vision aircraft company http://www.visionaircraft.com/<http://www.visionaircraft.com/>, maybe
> > you can find out from them if they sold it.
> >
> > - just curious - why switch? bad luck with the Stratus?
> >
> > gary
> >
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--> Stratus-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
As far as the cracked engine mounts are concerned, when the engine mount on
my engine cracked I contacted Mykal and he told me to send it to him and he
would repair or replace it. I sent my cracked mount to him and a week later
I received a new, much beefier mount at no charge. The only cost to me was
the $3.95 express mail postage and about a half hour of my time swapping out
the mount.
--
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N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
on 1/9/06 2:51 PM, rueffy@jetthrust.com at rueffy@jetthrust.com wrote:
> --> Stratus-List message posted by: rueffy@jetthrust.com
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> There has been some excellent discussion. Thank you all for your opinions
> which
> have largely been based on fact or expereince rather than "I heard" or hearsay
> or "my friend" To continue the discussion.
>
> Same goes for the cracked engine mount.
> This has happened enough times that I expect Stratus, not the customer to be
> dealing with this.
>
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--> Stratus-List message posted by: rueffy@jetthrust.com
Interesting. I cracked an alternator bracket which is a common flaw like the
engine mount. I politely asked Mykal if he was willing to assist hoping he
would offer a free replacement like he did for your engine mount. He didn't
appear willing to offer it for just shipping, so I asked directly if he would
replace it since mulitple failures have been recorded amongst various users.
He wouldn't so I paid. I'm not sure why he would replace your engine mount and
not my alternator bracket?
Cheerio all
Brett
Quoting Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>:
> --> Stratus-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>
> As far as the cracked engine mounts are concerned, when the engine mount on
> my engine cracked I contacted Mykal and he told me to send it to him and he
> would repair or replace it. I sent my cracked mount to him and a week later
> I received a new, much beefier mount at no charge. The only cost to me was
> the $3.95 express mail postage and about a half hour of my time swapping out
> the mount.
>
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> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
> do not archive.
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> on 1/9/06 2:51 PM, rueffy@jetthrust.com at rueffy@jetthrust.com wrote:
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> > --> Stratus-List message posted by: rueffy@jetthrust.com
> >
> > There has been some excellent discussion. Thank you all for your opinions
> > which
> > have largely been based on fact or expereince rather than "I heard" or
> hearsay
> > or "my friend" To continue the discussion.
> >
> > Same goes for the cracked engine mount.
> > This has happened enough times that I expect Stratus, not the customer to
> be
> > dealing with this.
> >
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--> Stratus-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
Maybe it was because I only had 120 hours on the plane at the time of
failure or maybe because the engine mount is a more critical item. I don't
know.
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N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
do not archive.
on 1/9/06 5:53 PM, rueffy@jetthrust.com at rueffy@jetthrust.com wrote:
> --> Stratus-List message posted by: rueffy@jetthrust.com
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> Interesting. I cracked an alternator bracket which is a common flaw like the
> engine mount. I politely asked Mykal if he was willing to assist hoping he
> would offer a free replacement like he did for your engine mount. He didn't
> appear willing to offer it for just shipping, so I asked directly if he would
> replace it since mulitple failures have been recorded amongst various users.
> He wouldn't so I paid. I'm not sure why he would replace your engine mount
> and
> not my alternator bracket?
>
> Cheerio all
> Brett
>
> Quoting Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>:
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--> Stratus-List message posted by: "Gary K" <garyk2@cox.net>
i do the cowl off routine too. doesn't take too much time and i feel better
even though it's been starting and running perfectly for 120 hrs. i'm
planning on making an easy fold-up (car hood) cowling with piano hinge.
i am disappointed in myself for missing two things recently. i tug on all
my cables (gently) every flight but missed a loose ground strap because i
have two tie-wrapped together. the good one was holding the loose one in
place (store bought from reputable electric place). when i went to start
it, it turned a blade then the lights went out. popped the cowling looking
at power stuff and when i looked closer, i pulled the braided strap right
out of the terminal on the firewall ground block. i think my redundant
battery and ignition would have kept it running but i need to check that or
make redundant ground straps. anyway, after re-crimping i started it and my
aux ig didn't work. found a blown fuse in my aux fuse panel. during my
troubleshooting i noticed the aux ig bracket was cracked. this really
disappointed me because that's a known problem that i check every flight. i
grab the secondary ignition box near the flywheel and wiggle it. always
tight, and still was but i saw a crack. so, my normal wiggle and look
wasn't good enough, it took a real close look at that bracket to see it. it
was broke clear through from one of those sharp inside corners, just like i
was looking for, but the crack was so microscopic that i couldn't see it
during normal preflight. so, making new bracket now but safety wired it and
flew for an hour in the pattern to make sure everything was fine.
i still love that engine. got a prop balancer and it's so smooth and has
very nice power for my pelican. yes, disappointed in mykal with the heads -
he offered to rework them at his cost after promising that they had clips
(they didn't) for $350 but i sent to RAM for $500. lucky i checked and glad
i sent them out. i would still buy another because they are a great little
engine and good bang for the buck, with lowest operating and maint cost
there is. although i would like a gear drive so i can get an adjustable
prop. still waiting for autoflight's new engine to see how that works out.
i need the time to save up anyway.
as far as HP, when i asked my factory, he said it's not HP it's weight.
thrust is maybe 450 lbs pulling out on the firewall but if plane is designed
for let's say 4 g's, that's 250 lbs of engine weight times 4 which is 1000
lbs of down force on the firewall. if it held up an floats, it should be
good on wheels i would guess. factory always tells me how rough floats are
on a plane.
Gary Krysztopik
Pelican PL N522GK
Stratus subaru EA-81, 120 hrs
Newport, RI
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--> Stratus-List message posted by: rueffy@jetthrust.com
Maybe your right about engine mount being critical. but then again so is the
alternor I would think? Id have to think what that alternator would do if the
mounting broke completely!! I only had 200hrs at the time.
Brett
Quoting Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>:
> --> Stratus-List message posted by: Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>
>
> Maybe it was because I only had 120 hours on the plane at the time of
> failure or maybe because the engine mount is a more critical item. I don't
> know.
>
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> --
> Bryan Martin
> N61BM, CH 601 XL, Stratus Subaru.
> do not archive.
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> on 1/9/06 5:53 PM, rueffy@jetthrust.com at rueffy@jetthrust.com wrote:
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> > --> Stratus-List message posted by: rueffy@jetthrust.com
> >
> > Interesting. I cracked an alternator bracket which is a common flaw like
> the
> > engine mount. I politely asked Mykal if he was willing to assist hoping
> he
> > would offer a free replacement like he did for your engine mount. He
> didn't
> > appear willing to offer it for just shipping, so I asked directly if he
> would
> > replace it since mulitple failures have been recorded amongst various
> users.
> > He wouldn't so I paid. I'm not sure why he would replace your engine
> mount
> > and
> > not my alternator bracket?
> >
> > Cheerio all
> > Brett
> >
> > Quoting Bryan Martin <bryanmmartin@comcast.net>:
> >
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| Subject: | All New BBS Interface For Matronics List Forums! |
--> Stratus-List message posted by: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
Dear Listers,
I'm very proud to announce a completely new BBS interface is now available for
all of the Email Lists at Matronics! This is a full-featured system that allows
for viewing, posting, attachments, polls - the works.
But the best part is that it is *completely* integrated with all of the existing
email tools currently available at Matronics! What this means at the most basic
level is that, if you post a message to List from Email in the traditional
way, it will show up on the BBS system *and* get distributed to everyone currently
subscribed to the Email List. By the same token, if you are on the BBS
and post a message to a given List-Forum, the message will not only show up on
the BBS, but also be distributed to everyone on the Email List!!
It is really a very nice implementation and I am very pleased with its operation.
All of the tools you have come to know and love such as the List Search Engine
and List Browse and Download will still be available and contain all of the
latest posts. Think of the new BBS interface as just another method of accessing
the all of the Lists.
You can use the BBS to view all of the latest posts without having to do anything
except use your browser to surf over to the site. You can view and look at
all of the various List's posts. If you want to post a new message or reply
to an existing message from the BBS, you will have to Register on the BBS. This
is a *very* simple process and will only take a couple of minutes. There is
a small icon in the upper righthand side of the main BBS page labeled "Register"
to get you started.
I strongly recommend that you use the exact *same* email address you are subscribed
to the Email Lists with when registering on the BBS. Also, while not an
absolute requirement, I would really appreciate it if people would use their full
name when choosing their Username on the BBS (for example "Matt Dralle").
This just makes it easier for everyone to know who's posting. Also, I have enabled
the ability to upload a small user picture with your profile called an
"avatar". Please use a *real* picture of yourself *with* your cloths on! Thank
you! Maximum size of the bitmap is 120x120.
You can either be subscribed to the BBS, or any number of Email Lists, or both.
Registering on the BBS will allow you to email directly to all of the various
Lists. However, to receive direct List Email, you will need to be *subscribed*
to the various Lists as you have in the past. No changes here in operation.
I have added numerous links on the BBS pointing to the Email List subscription
page.
I've had the BBS connected to the Lists for about a week now, so its already loaded
up with a fair number of messages. You can post photos and other documents
directly to the BBS and links to them will appear in the List Email distributions.
Also, when any messages posted to the BBS are viewed in the List Email
distribution, there will be a URL link at the bottom of the message pointing
back to the BBS.
And here's what you've been waiting for -- the main URL for the new Matronics Email
List BBS is:
http://forums.matronics.com
Please surf on over, Register, and have a great time! I think this will be the
dawn of a whole new era for the Lists at Matronics!
Best regards,
Matt Dralle
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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