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1. 09:44 AM - Bad ignition (Bill Steer)
2. 11:29 AM - Mykal's email address (Bill Steer)
3. 12:24 PM - Re: Mykal's email address (gary)
4. 01:40 PM - Re: [Probable Spam] Bad ignition (Larry McFarland)
5. 02:24 PM - Re: [Probable Spam] Bad ignition (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
6. 02:52 PM - Re: Bad ignition (Bill Steer)
7. 05:23 PM - Re: Bad ignition (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
8. 07:11 PM - Re: Bad ignition (Paul)
9. 07:32 PM - Re: Bad ignition (Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis))
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Hello. I have the EA-81 engine with dual ignition on my 601HD. It has
about six hours on it. Since the very beginning, the engine would not
start when running on the primary ignition (through the distributor).
It has always started on the secondary ignition. Until recently, I
could start it on the secondary ignition and then switch to the primary,
where it ran ok. Now, if I switch to the primary ignition, the engine
dies.
I've checked everything I know how to check. The ignition wires are ok,
the coil selector is ok, and there's power to the distributor (through
the black wire). Can anybody suggest other tests I can run to track
down the problem?
Thanks very much for any help you can give me.
Bill Steer
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| Subject: | Mykal's email address |
Anybody know Mykal's email address? Emails sent to mjt@camano.net bounce.
Thanks.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Mykal's email address |
mykal.templeman@yahoo.com
Gary Krysztopik
ZWheelz, LLC - www.ZWheelz.com
Alamo City Electric Auto Association - www.aceaa.org
blog - http://voices.mysanantonio.com/drive_electric_san_antonio/
San Antonio, TX
On 2/27/2011 1:25 PM, Bill Steer wrote:
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> Anybody know Mykal's email address? Emails sent to mjt@camano.net
> bounce.
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> Thanks.
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> Bill
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Bill,
The second flight in my 601HDS was interrupted by a failed solid state
primary ignition pickup at the flywheel. The other regular distributor
ignition worked
fine. I found the ignition pickup at the flywheel had quit and Mykal
replaced it for free. Haven't had problems since. His contention was that
the part was soldered with
too much heat and caused the problem. Sounds like your ignition might be a
thermal problem found at that part. If you are using Nippon Denso
ignition and both are timed thru the distributor, you might check out play
in the distributor shaft. I'd recommend you look at using NAPA TP45 modules
and IC107 coils.
The TP45 is bullet proof. IC107 coils are different from the cylindrical
type, but they are very dependable. Messenger recommends Standard LX600 for
distributor pickups
as they allow a lower cranking rpm for firing. If you need advance springs
in the distributor, the P/N is #49172 9002. I try to keep a spare set of
parts for the ignition system so they
might be swapped out when something goes amiss.
Haynes Automotive Repair Manual for the Subaru 1600 & 1800 1980 thru 1994
#89003 (681) has a very comprehensive guide and illustrative of the
multitude of distributors
Used on the Subaru and describes rather well the process for checking out
ignition problems.
Hope this is helpful.
Larry McFarland
601HDS at macsmachine.com
EA81 at 150 hours.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Steer
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 11:19 AM
Subject: [Probable Spam] Stratus-List: Bad ignition
Hello. I have the EA-81 engine with dual ignition on my 601HD. It has
about six hours on it. Since the very beginning, the engine would not start
when running on the primary ignition (through the distributor).
It has always started on the secondary ignition. Until recently, I could
start it on the secondary ignition and then switch to the primary, where it
ran ok. Now, if I switch to the primary ignition, the engine dies.
I've checked everything I know how to check. The ignition wires are ok, the
coil selector is ok, and there's power to the distributor (through the black
wire). Can anybody suggest other tests I can run to track down the problem?
Thanks very much for any help you can give me.
Bill Steer
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Bill,
It is almost certain that your ignitor module inside the distributor has di
ed. These things are notoriously feeble. The worse thing is replacements ar
e about $300!!
Ok that was the bad news. The good news is you can rework this to hookup a
TP45 module like Larry Mentioned.
What you do is open up the distributor. Inside you will find a pick up modu
le ( the part that sits next to the shaft)..This is wire to the ignitor mod
ule on the outside of the distributor.
You cut the two wires leading from the pick up module to the ignitor..throw
the ignitor away.
Extend the two wires from the pickup by soldering a flying lead that will b
e long enough to reach the firwall. This is where you will mount the TP45 i
gnitor..I believe it's a GM part..Napa has them.
You thin wire up everything as shown on this drawing I will attach..Hopeful
ly it will come thru.
You can even mount to pickups in the distributor and run two TP45 modules..
This is what this drawing shows..But of course that is more work, but if th
e Stratus second ignition dies, that is the way to go.
Good luck, once you have gone thru this pain you will have a bulletproof ig
nition. Note I found that at first the system would not work. Then I swappe
d the pickup to the TP45 connections and everything fired up. Airplane has
been running with this setup for several years.
Frank
Cell/Mobile +1 541 602 8756
Tel +1 541 715 7568
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-stratus-list-se
rver@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Larry McFarland
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 1:37 PM
Subject: RE: [Probable Spam] Stratus-List: Bad ignition
m>
Bill,
The second flight in my 601HDS was interrupted by a failed solid state
primary ignition pickup at the flywheel. The other regular distributor
ignition worked
fine. I found the ignition pickup at the flywheel had quit and Mykal
replaced it for free. Haven't had problems since. His contention was that
the part was soldered with
too much heat and caused the problem. Sounds like your ignition might be a
thermal problem found at that part. If you are using Nippon Denso
ignition and both are timed thru the distributor, you might check out play
in the distributor shaft. I'd recommend you look at using NAPA TP45 module
s
and IC107 coils.
The TP45 is bullet proof. IC107 coils are different from the cylindrical
type, but they are very dependable. Messenger recommends Standard LX600 for
distributor pickups
as they allow a lower cranking rpm for firing. If you need advance springs
in the distributor, the P/N is #49172 9002. I try to keep a spare set of
parts for the ignition system so they
might be swapped out when something goes amiss.
Haynes Automotive Repair Manual for the Subaru 1600 & 1800 1980 thru 1994
#89003 (681) has a very comprehensive guide and illustrative of the
multitude of distributors
Used on the Subaru and describes rather well the process for checking out
ignition problems.
Hope this is helpful.
Larry McFarland
601HDS at macsmachine.com
EA81 at 150 hours.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Steer
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 11:19 AM
Subject: [Probable Spam] Stratus-List: Bad ignition
Hello. I have the EA-81 engine with dual ignition on my 601HD. It has
about six hours on it. Since the very beginning, the engine would not star
t
when running on the primary ignition (through the distributor).
It has always started on the secondary ignition. Until recently, I could
start it on the secondary ignition and then switch to the primary, where it
ran ok. Now, if I switch to the primary ignition, the engine dies.
I've checked everything I know how to check. The ignition wires are ok, th
e
coil selector is ok, and there's power to the distributor (through the blac
k
wire). Can anybody suggest other tests I can run to track down the problem
?
Thanks very much for any help you can give me.
Bill Steer
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| Subject: | Re: Bad ignition |
Thanks, Frank and Larry. I'll take a look in the distributor tomorrow.
Hope you don't mind more questions as I go along.
Bill
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Not a problem Bill,
There is a "how to" guide on the web somewhere that shows you how to modify the
distributor to accommodate two pick up coils. It was pretty simple matter of
making a 1/4" piece of aluminium plate into a circle and drill/tap a few 8-32
holes. And dropping into the distributor.
Then of course 4 wires would come out to drive 2 TP45 modules.
I mounted 3 TP45 modules on a plate bolted to the firewall. The idea was if either
of the two modules went "phut" away from home then it was a simple matter
to unplug the dead module and reconnect to the spare.
Never needed to though in 500 hours.
Frank
Cell/Mobile +1 541 602 8756
Tel +1 541 715 7568
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Steer
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 2:51 PM
Subject: Re: Stratus-List: Bad ignition
Thanks, Frank and Larry. I'll take a look in the distributor tomorrow.
Hope you don't mind more questions as I go along.
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Bad ignition |
I suspect its my document. Its on a web site (I forgot which) but I can send
a copy to any who want one.
If you only need a single ign then its eaven simpler just replace the pickup
using the already there screws and holes.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 5:19 PM
Subject: RE: Stratus-List: Bad ignition
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Not a problem Bill,
>
> There is a "how to" guide on the web somewhere that shows you how to
> modify the distributor to accommodate two pick up coils. It was pretty
> simple matter of making a 1/4" piece of aluminium plate into a circle and
> drill/tap a few 8-32 holes. And dropping into the distributor.
>
> Then of course 4 wires would come out to drive 2 TP45 modules.
>
> I mounted 3 TP45 modules on a plate bolted to the firewall. The idea was
> if either of the two modules went "phut" away from home then it was a
> simple matter to unplug the dead module and reconnect to the spare.
>
> Never needed to though in 500 hours.
>
> Frank
>
> Cell/Mobile +1 541 602 8756
> Tel +1 541 715 7568
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Steer
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 2:51 PM
> To: stratus-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Stratus-List: Bad ignition
>
>
> Thanks, Frank and Larry. I'll take a look in the distributor tomorrow.
> Hope you don't mind more questions as I go along.
>
> Bill
>
> Do not archive
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Thanks paul..yes your mod worked well on my airplane.
One correction though..The pickup "Should" be fine in this case..I.e its usually
the amplifier chip that goes belly-up, but the pickup itself is usually just
fine.
This is good news because the ignitor chip is the easy part to replace with a TP45,
for $30 or so.
Cheers
Frank
Cell/Mobile +1 541 602 8756
Tel +1 541 715 7568
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: Stratus-List: Bad ignition
I suspect its my document. Its on a web site (I forgot which) but I can send
a copy to any who want one.
If you only need a single ign then its eaven simpler just replace the pickup
using the already there screws and holes.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: "Hinde, Frank George (Corvallis)" <frank.hinde@hp.com>
Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 5:19 PM
Subject: RE: Stratus-List: Bad ignition
> <frank.hinde@hp.com>
>
> Not a problem Bill,
>
> There is a "how to" guide on the web somewhere that shows you how to
> modify the distributor to accommodate two pick up coils. It was pretty
> simple matter of making a 1/4" piece of aluminium plate into a circle and
> drill/tap a few 8-32 holes. And dropping into the distributor.
>
> Then of course 4 wires would come out to drive 2 TP45 modules.
>
> I mounted 3 TP45 modules on a plate bolted to the firewall. The idea was
> if either of the two modules went "phut" away from home then it was a
> simple matter to unplug the dead module and reconnect to the spare.
>
> Never needed to though in 500 hours.
>
> Frank
>
> Cell/Mobile +1 541 602 8756
> Tel +1 541 715 7568
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Steer
> Sent: Sunday, February 27, 2011 2:51 PM
> To: stratus-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Stratus-List: Bad ignition
>
>
> Thanks, Frank and Larry. I'll take a look in the distributor tomorrow.
> Hope you don't mind more questions as I go along.
>
> Bill
>
> Do not archive
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