Stratus-List Digest Archive

Tue 11/20/12


Total Messages Posted: 7



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     1. 07:13 AM - Re: It Finally Happened to ME! (Larry McFarland)
     2. 03:04 PM - Re: It Finally Happened to ME! (Andy Fultz)
     3. 04:08 PM - Re: It Finally Happened to ME! (Tim)
     4. 05:00 PM - Re: It Finally Happened to ME! (Don Walker)
     5. 05:36 PM - Re: It Finally Happened to ME! (Larry McFarland)
     6. 05:46 PM - Re: It Finally Happened to ME! (Larry McFarland)
     7. 08:00 PM - Re: It Finally Happened to ME! Update (Andy Fultz)
 
 
 


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    Time: 07:13:10 AM PST US
    From: "Larry McFarland" <larrycmcfarland@gmail.com>
    Subject: It Finally Happened to ME!
    Hi Andy, Sorry to hear of your engine problems, but it would be very useful to other Subaru users to know if you had the valve guides redone, or were they dependent upon just circlips to secure the valve guides. Ron at Ram Performance redid my valve guides and I've not heard of anyone with his modification having trouble. Lots of failures with just circlips though. Check your pistons to determine if the tops were broken or fractured markedly. This is a most likely scenario for that engine. If you return to using the Subaru, I'd recommend you get the valve guide work done, before flying it and add EGTs for each side. It's a good barometer of your engine performance. Larry McFarland 601HDS Stratus EA81 flying a Piper Cherokee now. From: owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Fultz Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 9:23 PM Subject: RE: Stratus-List: It Finally Happened to ME! In my haste to hit the send button I failed to tell you guys that the engine is a STRAUTS EA-81 with 287 hours on it. Andy F. -----Original Message----- From: owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andy Fultz Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 9:12 PM Subject: Stratus-List: It Finally Happened to ME! NOT excited to report a catastrophic engine failure on take off. This past Saturday I was departing my home field from rwy 36 and at about 450 AGL my engine started to vibrate violently and then the prop came to an abrupt halt just after I pushed the nose over and pulled the power (MAYBE two seconds from first indication of a problem till the prop stopped). I felt that I had enough altitude to execute a 180 (more like a quick wing-over) and landed safely on 18. Lots of ground up metal in the oil pan ,but no blood or anything in cockpit. My guardian angel was riding with me. Really got my attention. This was the first flight after a Thursday, 1.3 hr Xcountry at night. The engine was a Stratus EA-81 and there were no warning signs that I was aware of. The engine was running fine, with all temps and oil pressure normal, then it wasn't running at all. I have removed the engine from the airframe and pulled the oil pan which is holding a double handful of ground up metal bits and there's a hole in the top of the case. Also found about a half of a handful of bits in the muffler. Not sure at this time what caused it to come apart, but I'll continue to try to find out what happened. May never know for sure as many pieces as it seems to be in. Yall be careful and know what you and you bird are capable of. Andy F. AVID C/Mark IV Extended Speedwing href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref <http://www.matronics.com/chref=%22http:/www.matronics.com/Navigator?Stratus -List%22%3ehttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Stratus-List> "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Stratus-List">http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?Stratus-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 03:04:46 PM PST US
    From: "Andy Fultz" <andynfultz@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: It Finally Happened to ME!
    Hey Larry, It was just a stock STRATUS conversion. I knew of a few instances of valve guide problems, but did not realize that there were so many till mine failed and I started really looking. I spoke with Ron Carr today and was very impressed with what he had to say. I am headed to the airport now to take the head off and have a look inside, but from what I could see with a scope looking through the spark plug hole, there's not enough of the piston left tell what happened. Is your RAM modified engine still in use? How many hours? Andy F. -----Original Message----- From: owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry McFarland Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:13 AM To: stratus-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Stratus-List: It Finally Happened to ME! Hi Andy, Sorry to hear of your engine problems, but it would be very useful to other Subaru users to know if you had the valve guides redone, or were they dependent upon just circlips to secure the valve guides. Ron at Ram Performance redid my valve guides and I've not heard of anyone with his modification having trouble. Lots of failures with just circlips though. Check your pistons to determine if the tops were broken or fractured markedly. This is a most likely scenario for that engine. If you return to using the Subaru, I'd recommend you get the valve guide work done, before flying it and add EGTs for each side. It's a good barometer of your engine performance. Larry McFarland 601HDS Stratus EA81 flying a Piper Cherokee now. From: owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Fultz Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 9:23 PM To: stratus-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Stratus-List: It Finally Happened to ME! In my haste to hit the send button I failed to tell you guys that the engine is a STRAUTS EA-81 with 287 hours on it. Andy F. -----Original Message----- From: owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andy Fultz Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 9:12 PM To: stratus-list@matronics.com; avid_flyer@yahoogroups.com Subject: Stratus-List: It Finally Happened to ME! NOT excited to report a catastrophic engine failure on take off. This past Saturday I was departing my home field from rwy 36 and at about 450 AGL my engine started to vibrate violently and then the prop came to an abrupt halt just after I pushed the nose over and pulled the power (MAYBE two seconds from first indication of a problem till the prop stopped). I felt that I had enough altitude to execute a 180 (more like a quick wing-over) and landed safely on 18. Lots of ground up metal in the oil pan ,but no blood or anything in cockpit. My guardian angel was riding with me. Really got my attention. This was the first flight after a Thursday, 1.3 hr Xcountry at night. The engine was a Stratus EA-81 and there were no warning signs that I was aware of. The engine was running fine, with all temps and oil pressure normal, then it wasn't running at all. I have removed the engine from the airframe and pulled the oil pan which is holding a double handful of ground up metal bits and there's a hole in the top of the case. Also found about a half of a handful of bits in the muffler. Not sure at this time what caused it to come apart, but I'll continue to try to find out what happened. May never know for sure as many pieces as it seems to be in. Yall be careful and know what you and you bird are capable of. Andy F. AVID C/Mark IV Extended Speedwing href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.comhref="http://www.bu ildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.comhref="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">ww w.homebuilthelp.comhref="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.m atronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Stratus-List">http:// www.matronics.com/Navigator?Stratus-Listhref="http://forums.matronics.com">h ttp://forums.matronics.com www.aeroelectric.comwww.buildersbooks.comwww.homebuilthelp.comhttp://www.mat ronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Stratus-Listhttp:/ /forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 04:08:39 PM PST US
    From: "Tim" <tshankland@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: It Finally Happened to ME!
    I have a question for Stratus users, what is your water temperature. I am concerned that several people have had one or more instances of valve guide failure while most do not. I too have a Stratus EA81 with over 200 hours on it and my water runs at 190 degrees F, on long summer climb outs it can get to 200 degrees. I did not like the cooling system design supplied by Zenith and spent a year designing my own. Since this failure is not endemic in cars my question is are many running at higher water temperature contributiong to this problem. Tim Shankland ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Fultz To: stratus-list@matronics.com ; avid_flyer@yahoogroups.com Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:11 PM Subject: Stratus-List: It Finally Happened to ME! NOT excited to report a catastrophic engine failure on take off. This past Saturday I was departing my home field from rwy 36 and at about 450 AGL my engine started to vibrate violently and then the prop came to an abrupt halt just after I pushed the nose over and pulled the power (MAYBE two seconds from first indication of a problem till the prop stopped). I felt that I had enough altitude to execute a 180 (more like a quick wing-over) and landed safely on 18. Lots of ground up metal in the oil pan ,but no blood or anything in cockpit. My guardian angel was riding with me. Really got my attention. This was the first flight after a Thursday, 1.3 hr Xcountry at night. The engine was a Stratus EA-81 and there were no warning signs that I was aware of. The engine was running fine, with all temps and oil pressure normal, then it wasn't running at all. I have removed the engine from the airframe and pulled the oil pan which is holding a double handful of ground up metal bits and there's a hole in the top of the case. Also found about a half of a handful of bits in the muffler. Not sure at this time what caused it to come apart, but I'll continue to try to find out what happened. May never know for sure as many pieces as it seems to be in. Yall be careful and know what you and you bird are capable of. Andy F. AVID C/Mark IV Extended Speedwing


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    Time: 05:00:21 PM PST US
    From: Don Walker <d3dw@sbcglobal.net>
    Subject: Re: It Finally Happened to ME!
    Tim, my temps are running close to what yours are, and sometimes up to abou t =0A210. I have my egt limit set at 1450, and I usually run around 1350 to 1380 in =0Acruise on egt. However, I feel very confident in the heads Ram built for me, =0Awith the new guides, larger ss valves, etc. What mods did you make to your =0Acooling?=0A-I used to take off with full power, but h ave decided that is just a waste and =0Aunnecessary unless on a very short strip...so I am more gentle now. My guide =0Afailures were on cold days tak ing off at full power. It seems to me the temp =0Adifferential between the steel and aluminum was a problem. but that is no =0Aproblem with the Ram va lve job.- don=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: Tim <tshankland@sbcglobal.net>=0ATo: stratus-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tue, No vember 20, 2012 6:09:50 PM=0ASubject: Re: Stratus-List: It Finally Happened to ME!=0A=0A=0AI have a question for Stratus users, what is your water tem perature. I am =0Aconcerned that several people have had one or more instan ces of valve guide =0Afailure while most do not. I too have a Stratus EA81 with over 200 hours on it =0Aand my water runs at 190 degrees F, on long su mmer climb outs it can get to 200 =0Adegrees. I did not like the cooling sy stem design supplied by Zenith and spent a =0Ayear designing my own. Since this failure is not endemic in cars my question is =0Aare many running at h igher-water temperature -contributiong to this problem.=0A=0ATim Shankl and=0A----- Original Message ----- =0A>From: Andy Fultz =0A>To: stratus-lis t@matronics.com ; avid_flyer@yahoogroups.com =0A>Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:11 PM=0A>Subject: Stratus-List: It Finally Happened to ME!=0A>=0A> =0A>-=0A>NOT excited to report a catastrophic engine failure on take off. - This past =0A>Saturday I was departing my home field from rwy 36 and at about 450 AGL my =0A>engine started to vibrate violently and then the prop came to an abrupt halt =0A>just after I pushed the nose over and pulled th e power (MAYBE two seconds from =0A>first indication of a problem till the prop stopped).- I felt that I had enough =0A>altitude to execute a 180 (m ore like a quick wing-over) and landed safely on =0A>18.- Lots of ground up metal in the oil pan ,but no blood or anything in =0A>cockpit.- My gua rdian angel was riding with me.- Really got my attention.- =0A>This-w as the first flight-after a Thursday, 1.3 hr Xcountry at night.-- The =0A>engine was a Stratus EA-81 and there were no warning signs that I was aware of.- =0A>The engine was running fine, with all temps and oil pressu re normal, then it =0A>wasn't running at all.- =0A>=0A>>-=0A>>- I hav e removed the engine from the airframe and pulled the oil pan which is =0A> >holding a double handful-of ground up metal bits and there's a hole in t he top =0A>>of the case.- Also found about a half of a handful of bits in the-muffler. -Not =0A>>sure at this time what caused it to come apart, but I'll continue to try to find =0A>>out what happened.- May never know for sure as many pieces as it seems to be =0A>>in.- Yall be careful and know what you and you bird are capable of.=0A>>-=0A>>Andy F.=0A>>AVID C/M ark IV Extended Speedwing=0A href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aero electric.com =0Ahref="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com =0Ahref="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com =0Ahref=" http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="ht tp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Stratus-List">http://www.matronics.com/Nav igator?Stratus-List=0A href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.m ============= =0A


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    Time: 05:36:30 PM PST US
    From: "Larry McFarland" <larrycmcfarland@gmail.com>
    Subject: It Finally Happened to ME!
    Tim, My water temperature was usually between 187 and 200. The difference being winter to summer. EGTs were most often 1350 to 1400 with excursions to 1450 on early efforts to get control of the correct mixture. Cars don't see the high rpms and cooling necessary for those rpms normally, but good cooling and mixtures can keep a Subaru running without problems. Larry McFarland From: owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tim Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 6:08 PM Subject: Re: Stratus-List: It Finally Happened to ME! I have a question for Stratus users, what is your water temperature. I am concerned that several people have had one or more instances of valve guide failure while most do not. I too have a Stratus EA81 with over 200 hours on it and my water runs at 190 degrees F, on long summer climb outs it can get to 200 degrees. I did not like the cooling system design supplied by Zenith and spent a year designing my own. Since this failure is not endemic in cars my question is are many running at higher water temperature contributiong to this problem. Tim Shankland ----- Original Message ----- From: Andy Fultz <mailto:andynfultz@bellsouth.net> Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:11 PM Subject: Stratus-List: It Finally Happened to ME! NOT excited to report a catastrophic engine failure on take off. This past Saturday I was departing my home field from rwy 36 and at about 450 AGL my engine started to vibrate violently and then the prop came to an abrupt halt just after I pushed the nose over and pulled the power (MAYBE two seconds from first indication of a problem till the prop stopped). I felt that I had enough altitude to execute a 180 (more like a quick wing-over) and landed safely on 18. Lots of ground up metal in the oil pan ,but no blood or anything in cockpit. My guardian angel was riding with me. Really got my attention. This was the first flight after a Thursday, 1.3 hr Xcountry at night. The engine was a Stratus EA-81 and there were no warning signs that I was aware of. The engine was running fine, with all temps and oil pressure normal, then it wasn't running at all. I have removed the engine from the airframe and pulled the oil pan which is holding a double handful of ground up metal bits and there's a hole in the top of the case. Also found about a half of a handful of bits in the muffler. Not sure at this time what caused it to come apart, but I'll continue to try to find out what happened. May never know for sure as many pieces as it seems to be in. Yall be careful and know what you and you bird are capable of. Andy F. AVID C/Mark IV Extended Speedwing href="http://www.aeroelectric.com">www.aeroelectric.com href="http://www.buildersbooks.com">www.buildersbooks.com href="http://www.homebuilthelp.com">www.homebuilthelp.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref <http://www.matronics.com/chref=%22http:/www.matronics.com/Navigator?Stratus -List%22%3ehttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Stratus-List> "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?Stratus-List">http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?Stratus-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com


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    Time: 05:46:37 PM PST US
    From: "Larry McFarland" <larrycmcfarland@gmail.com>
    Subject: It Finally Happened to ME!
    Tim, My 601HDS Ram modified Subaru is still running at Minneapolis MN, Crystal Airport. I flew it for 200 hours over 7 years and expect it will for a long time. Ron has the best fix and solution to valve guides in an EA81. Very reliable. When the heads get overly warm, the standard valve guides slip right into the piston and really can make a mess of things. The EGTs are a best last ditch solution to monitoring engine health, i.e., mixture. You should be able to easily tell if the valve guides were out of position during examination of the heads. They won't go back in place once they touch pistons. Would like to know what you find out though. Larry McFarland From: owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Fultz Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:04 PM Subject: RE: Stratus-List: It Finally Happened to ME! Hey Larry, It was just a stock STRATUS conversion. I knew of a few instances of valve guide problems, but did not realize that there were so many till mine failed and I started really looking. I spoke with Ron Carr today and was very impressed with what he had to say. I am headed to the airport now to take the head off and have a look inside, but from what I could see with a scope looking through the spark plug hole, there's not enough of the piston left tell what happened. Is your RAM modified engine still in use? How many hours? Andy F. -----Original Message----- From: owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry McFarland Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:13 AM Subject: RE: Stratus-List: It Finally Happened to ME! Hi Andy, Sorry to hear of your engine problems, but it would be very useful to other Subaru users to know if you had the valve guides redone, or were they dependent upon just circlips to secure the valve guides. Ron at Ram Performance redid my valve guides and I've not heard of anyone with his modification having trouble. Lots of failures with just circlips though. Check your pistons to determine if the tops were broken or fractured markedly. This is a most likely scenario for that engine. If you return to using the Subaru, I'd recommend you get the valve guide work done, before flying it and add EGTs for each side. It's a good barometer of your engine performance. Larry McFarland 601HDS Stratus EA81 flying a Piper Cherokee now. From: owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Fultz Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 9:23 PM Subject: RE: Stratus-List: It Finally Happened to ME! In my haste to hit the send button I failed to tell you guys that the engine is a STRAUTS EA-81 with 287 hours on it. Andy F. -----Original Message----- From: owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andy Fultz Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 9:12 PM Subject: Stratus-List: It Finally Happened to ME! NOT excited to report a catastrophic engine failure on take off. This past Saturday I was departing my home field from rwy 36 and at about 450 AGL my engine started to vibrate violently and then the prop came to an abrupt halt just after I pushed the nose over and pulled the power (MAYBE two seconds from first indication of a problem till the prop stopped). I felt that I had enough altitude to execute a 180 (more like a quick wing-over) and landed safely on 18. Lots of ground up metal in the oil pan ,but no blood or anything in cockpit. My guardian angel was riding with me. Really got my attention. This was the first flight after a Thursday, 1.3 hr Xcountry at night. The engine was a Stratus EA-81 and there were no warning signs that I was aware of. The engine was running fine, with all temps and oil pressure normal, then it wasn't running at all. I have removed the engine from the airframe and pulled the oil pan which is holding a double handful of ground up metal bits and there's a hole in the top of the case. Also found about a half of a handful of bits in the muffler. Not sure at this time what caused it to come apart, but I'll continue to try to find out what happened. May never know for sure as many pieces as it seems to be in. Yall be careful and know what you and you bird are capable of. Andy F. 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    Time: 08:00:28 PM PST US
    From: "Andy Fultz" <andynfultz@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: RE: It Finally Happened to ME! Update
    Well guys here's what I have found after pulling the head on the affected side this afternoon. The number 2 cyl exhaust valve stem broke just below the valve head. There is absolutely no sign of any problem with the guides. Once that valve was loose in the cylinder much damage followed. The cylinder wall has an extra hole in it and I suspect that sent metal into the water pump impellor causing damage there. The connecting rod on the number 2 cylinder is bent 90 degrees just aft of the wrist pin connection and that's when she stopped turning. Inside the cylinder were two golf ball size pieces of the piston and the wrist pin which looks good as new. Amazing what did and did not get chewed up. Now I wish I had an answer to the big question. What caused the valve to break? May never know, but I'd like to hear what yall may think might have caused a valve to break. Andy F. -----Original Message----- From: owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry McFarland Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 7:46 PM To: stratus-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Stratus-List: It Finally Happened to ME! Tim, My 601HDS Ram modified Subaru is still running at Minneapolis MN, Crystal Airport. I flew it for 200 hours over 7 years and expect it will for a long time. Ron has the best fix and solution to valve guides in an EA81. Very reliable. When the heads get overly warm, the standard valve guides slip right into the piston and really can make a mess of things. The EGTs are a best last ditch solution to monitoring engine health, i.e., mixture. You should be able to easily tell if the valve guides were out of position during examination of the heads. They won't go back in place once they touch pistons. Would like to know what you find out though. Larry McFarland From: owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Fultz Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 5:04 PM To: stratus-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Stratus-List: It Finally Happened to ME! Hey Larry, It was just a stock STRATUS conversion. I knew of a few instances of valve guide problems, but did not realize that there were so many till mine failed and I started really looking. I spoke with Ron Carr today and was very impressed with what he had to say. I am headed to the airport now to take the head off and have a look inside, but from what I could see with a scope looking through the spark plug hole, there's not enough of the piston left tell what happened. Is your RAM modified engine still in use? How many hours? Andy F. -----Original Message----- From: owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Larry McFarland Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 9:13 AM To: stratus-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Stratus-List: It Finally Happened to ME! Hi Andy, Sorry to hear of your engine problems, but it would be very useful to other Subaru users to know if you had the valve guides redone, or were they dependent upon just circlips to secure the valve guides. Ron at Ram Performance redid my valve guides and I've not heard of anyone with his modification having trouble. Lots of failures with just circlips though. Check your pistons to determine if the tops were broken or fractured markedly. This is a most likely scenario for that engine. If you return to using the Subaru, I'd recommend you get the valve guide work done, before flying it and add EGTs for each side. It's a good barometer of your engine performance. Larry McFarland 601HDS Stratus EA81 flying a Piper Cherokee now. From: owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Andy Fultz Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 9:23 PM To: stratus-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: Stratus-List: It Finally Happened to ME! In my haste to hit the send button I failed to tell you guys that the engine is a STRAUTS EA-81 with 287 hours on it. Andy F. -----Original Message----- From: owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-stratus-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Andy Fultz Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 9:12 PM To: stratus-list@matronics.com; avid_flyer@yahoogroups.com Subject: Stratus-List: It Finally Happened to ME! NOT excited to report a catastrophic engine failure on take off. This past Saturday I was departing my home field from rwy 36 and at about 450 AGL my engine started to vibrate violently and then the prop came to an abrupt halt just after I pushed the nose over and pulled the power (MAYBE two seconds from first indication of a problem till the prop stopped). I felt that I had enough altitude to execute a 180 (more like a quick wing-over) and landed safely on 18. Lots of ground up metal in the oil pan ,but no blood or anything in cockpit. My guardian angel was riding with me. Really got my attention. This was the first flight after a Thursday, 1.3 hr Xcountry at night. The engine was a Stratus EA-81 and there were no warning signs that I was aware of. The engine was running fine, with all temps and oil pressure normal, then it wasn't running at all. I have removed the engine from the airframe and pulled the oil pan which is holding a double handful of ground up metal bits and there's a hole in the top of the case. Also found about a half of a handful of bits in the muffler. Not sure at this time what caused it to come apart, but I'll continue to try to find out what happened. May never know for sure as many pieces as it seems to be in. Yall be careful and know what you and you bird are capable of. Andy F. 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