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1. 01:58 AM - Re: Re: panel and fuel tank (Richard Lamb)
2. 04:43 AM - Re: floor boards - was hot steel? (Lovelace, Malcolm)
3. 05:48 AM - Re: floor boards - was hot steel? (Boud Kuenen)
4. 12:56 PM - Re: Re: panel and fuel tank (Robert Matteson)
5. 01:32 PM - Re: panel and fuel tank (Earl Luce)
6. 01:59 PM - Re: Re: panel and fuel tank was Re: hot steel (William Bernard)
7. 02:27 PM - Re: panel and fuel tank (William Bernard)
8. 03:10 PM - Re: Strap bolts Supplier (William Bernard)
9. 04:20 PM - Re: Strap bolts Supplier (Luc Hermange)
10. 04:46 PM - Re: panel and fuel tank (Earl Luce)
11. 05:43 PM - Strap bolts Supplier (Dan Hedge)
12. 06:02 PM - Re: panel and fuel tank (RJ)
13. 06:17 PM - Re: Re: panel and fuel tank was Re: hot steel (Jim and Donna Clement)
14. 06:49 PM - Re: panel and fuel tank (William Bernard)
15. 06:50 PM - Re: Strap bolts Supplier (William Bernard)
16. 06:51 PM - Re: Strap bolts Supplier (William Bernard)
17. 06:53 PM - Re: panel and fuel tank (William Bernard)
18. 06:55 PM - Re: Re: panel and fuel tank was Re: hot steel (William Bernard)
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| Subject: | Re: panel and fuel tank |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb <lamb01@flash.net>
That nice pretty blue coated stuff they use for strapping crates
and freight pallets?
Fred, you gotta get out more. Do more dumpster diving.
Fred Weaver wrote:
>
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Fred Weaver <Mytyweav@flash.net>
>
> "Just about any dumpster at a manufacturing plant has lots of it." You
> crack me up Jim.... hahahahaha.... But I'm sure it would work fine.
> Weav
>
> On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 07:57 PM, Jim and Donna Clement wrote:
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement"
> > <168x@merr.com>
> >
> > Bill, They make a strap bolt just for fuel tank straps. I buy them for
> > about
> > $2-3 each from the hardware vender at OSH. Forget the name, he is the
> > one
> > with lots of stuff in a big tent. Also sells cowhides. Someone here will
> > come up with his name, from Wichita area. It is a three inch tee bolt.
> > you
> > put a hole in your strap, then bend the short end around and either
> > weld or
> > rivet to itself.
> > Make your tank 12" from the floor and pound a sump [big dent about 1/2"
> > deep, 6-7" diameter] with a outlet welded in. start bending the tank
> > gradually up towards the inst. panel within 2-3" from the rear edge of
> > the
> > sump. Reason being, if the tank is flat beyond the fuel pickup, fuel
> > runs
> > towards the rear of the tank and pulls fuel out of and away from the
> > pickup.
> > This happens when take off is attempted with low fuel, 6-7 gallons or
> > so.
> > Make the tank same width, don't try to taper to match the fuselage
> > dimension. Give yourself no less than 1/2" clearance on each side, they
> > seem
> > to grow during construction and welding. You might have to cut off the
> > upper
> > corners in the front as the engine mount bolts may hit. Put the vent in
> > the
> > filler neck. Use a short rubber hose to connect filler cap assy. to
> > filler
> > neck. Fuel proof hose can be bought at NAPA store. Use a mechanical fuel
> > gauge sender that measures ohms to the electric guage. Mount the sender
> > in
> > the top of the tank, make sure it clears the center baffle. I have had
> > three
> > probe type senders and they are junk as far as I am concerned. Stainless
> > makes a nice fuel tank strap but another is steel strapping used to
> > crate
> > things. Just about any dumpster at a manufacturing plant has lots of it.
> > Jim
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| Subject: | floor boards - was hot steel? |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Lovelace, Malcolm" <Malcolm.Lovelace@CooperTools.com>
I cut a hole in the alum. floor pan to clear the portion of the rudder pedal
torque tube. I covered the alum. floor pan with carpet and made 1 cut to
clear the torque tube so the carpet fills the hole.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Richard Lamb [SMTP:lamb01@flash.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, December 18, 2002 1:16 AM
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: floor boards - was hot steel?
>
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb <lamb01@flash.net>
>
> I've got a piece of wall paneling roughed out for a floor right now.
>
> I can see where I'll need tabs. No problem there.
>
> But I don't quite know what to do up front around the rudder pedals
> and torque tube.
>
> I have a welded bushing on the right end of the assembly and a nylon
> pillow block on the left end. Makes the rudder pedal assembly removable.
>
> There's just not much room to run the floor the tube, and with the
> complications underneath on the left side, it looks like I need a big
> hole there....
>
> Any notions?
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: floor boards - was hot steel? |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Boud Kuenen" <bkuenen@horizonaero.com>
End the floor board forward edge at the rudder torque tube. Neither your
heels or anything else will be forward of that point anyway. Insulate under
the floor board and under the rudder torque tube, then further around the
corner and up the back of the firewall. I used heavy upholstery material
for a rug, and this also goes under the tube and up the back of the fire
wall with holes cut out for the fuel line and heater output.
Boud Kuenen NX888WT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Lamb" <lamb01@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: floor boards - was hot steel?
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb <lamb01@flash.net>
>
> I've got a piece of wall paneling roughed out for a floor right now.
>
> I can see where I'll need tabs. No problem there.
>
> But I don't quite know what to do up front around the rudder pedals
> and torque tube.
>
> I have a welded bushing on the right end of the assembly and a nylon
> pillow block on the left end. Makes the rudder pedal assembly removable.
>
> There's just not much room to run the floor the tube, and with the
> complications underneath on the left side, it looks like I need a big
> hole there....
>
> Any notions?
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: panel and fuel tank |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Robert Matteson" <robertmatteson@peoplepc.com>
While padding the tank underneath the straps is probably a good idea, almost
anything you use will trap moisture and eventualy cause the aluminum to
corrode, so make sure you treat, prime and paint the tank, at least in the
areas of contact.
Bob M.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Lamb" <lamb01@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: panel and fuel tank
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb <lamb01@flash.net>
>
> That nice pretty blue coated stuff they use for strapping crates
> and freight pallets?
>
> Fred, you gotta get out more. Do more dumpster diving.
>
>
> Fred Weaver wrote:
> >
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Fred Weaver <Mytyweav@flash.net>
> >
> > "Just about any dumpster at a manufacturing plant has lots of it." You
> > crack me up Jim.... hahahahaha.... But I'm sure it would work fine.
> > Weav
> >
> > On Tuesday, December 17, 2002, at 07:57 PM, Jim and Donna Clement wrote:
> >
> > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement"
> > > <168x@merr.com>
> > >
> > > Bill, They make a strap bolt just for fuel tank straps. I buy them for
> > > about
> > > $2-3 each from the hardware vender at OSH. Forget the name, he is the
> > > one
> > > with lots of stuff in a big tent. Also sells cowhides. Someone here
will
> > > come up with his name, from Wichita area. It is a three inch tee bolt.
> > > you
> > > put a hole in your strap, then bend the short end around and either
> > > weld or
> > > rivet to itself.
> > > Make your tank 12" from the floor and pound a sump [big dent about
1/2"
> > > deep, 6-7" diameter] with a outlet welded in. start bending the tank
> > > gradually up towards the inst. panel within 2-3" from the rear edge of
> > > the
> > > sump. Reason being, if the tank is flat beyond the fuel pickup, fuel
> > > runs
> > > towards the rear of the tank and pulls fuel out of and away from the
> > > pickup.
> > > This happens when take off is attempted with low fuel, 6-7 gallons or
> > > so.
> > > Make the tank same width, don't try to taper to match the fuselage
> > > dimension. Give yourself no less than 1/2" clearance on each side,
they
> > > seem
> > > to grow during construction and welding. You might have to cut off the
> > > upper
> > > corners in the front as the engine mount bolts may hit. Put the vent
in
> > > the
> > > filler neck. Use a short rubber hose to connect filler cap assy. to
> > > filler
> > > neck. Fuel proof hose can be bought at NAPA store. Use a mechanical
fuel
> > > gauge sender that measures ohms to the electric guage. Mount the
sender
> > > in
> > > the top of the tank, make sure it clears the center baffle. I have had
> > > three
> > > probe type senders and they are junk as far as I am concerned.
Stainless
> > > makes a nice fuel tank strap but another is steel strapping used to
> > > crate
> > > things. Just about any dumpster at a manufacturing plant has lots of
it.
> > > Jim
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: panel and fuel tank |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Earl Luce" <luceair@att.net>
Witt used two old turnbuckles to tighten the straps on his gas tank , so
that is what I used on Buttercup, simple but worked great. Also I made
straps from galvanized stock . I do weld stops on top support tubes so tank
doesn't rise while tightening .
If anyone needs firewall , gas tank , panel material I can get it or make
it for you .
Earl Luce
nx264
n18263
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard"
<billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
>
> I've been following this thread with some interest, since I'm at this
stage
> too.
>
> I'm planning to support the tank with 1" straps of 0.025 stainless steel
> (left over from control surface construction). The forward end will be
> secured to the top tube at the firewall by wrapping around the tube and
> bolting through a tab. I saw in Jim Clement's photos that he welds a short
> length of 3/8" tubing onto a cross tube about 2-3 inches ahead of the door
> post. Myu question is, then what happens? How is the aft end of the tank
> strap terminated? In the newsletter, Jim Stanton just bent over the end
of
> a 0.040" strap and put a bolt through it, but I would like some provision
to
> control the tension on the strap.
>
> Thanks for the thoughts.
>
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
>
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement"
> <168x@merr.com>
> >
> > Looks about right, for sure go with the 12" floor to bottom of tank
> height.
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dallas Benham" <dlbenham@smithville.net>
> > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Fw: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> >
> >
> > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Dallas Benham"
> > <dlbenham@smithville.net>
> > >
> > > Richard and Jim:
> > >
> > > Below is from my files on previous conversations about Tailwind
> > construction.
> > > Hope it helps.
> > >
> > > Dallas
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate@ne.infi.net>
> > > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rick and Cindy
> > <rcaviate@ne.infi.net>
> > > >
> > > > JohnD: Made some measurements of N393RC, floor (1/4" ply) to bottom
of
> > fuel tank
> > > > (29.8 gal) is 12", floor to bottom of panel is 20 3/4", panel is 8
> 1/8"
> > tall,
> > > > top of panel to bottom of front spar carry through is 8 3/8".
> > > > Rick N393RC
> > > >
> > > > john wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john"
<frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm looking for some input on the panel. I measured Clements
panel
> at
> > > > > Oshkosh and it measured 19 1/2" to the bottom, 10 1/2" of panel,
> which
> > > > > leaves 7" from the top of the panel, is this about what you
fellows
> > have
> > > > > come up with in your W-10s'? Clements fuel tank measured 10 1/2"
> > above the
> > > > > floor. I must have big feet because my shoes measure 12"s', What
> is
> > > > > everyone doing about the distance from the floor to the tank?
> > Thankyou.
> > > > > JohnD
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: panel and fuel tank was re: hot steel |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
Thanks, Jim. BTW, did you ever get the problem with the vent location
resolved?
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: panel and fuel tank was re: hot steel
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement"
<168x@merr.com>
>
> Bill, They make a strap bolt just for fuel tank straps. I buy them for
about
> $2-3 each from the hardware vender at OSH. Forget the name, he is the one
> with lots of stuff in a big tent. Also sells cowhides. Someone here will
> come up with his name, from Wichita area. It is a three inch tee bolt. you
> put a hole in your strap, then bend the short end around and either weld
or
> rivet to itself.
> Make your tank 12" from the floor and pound a sump [big dent about 1/2"
> deep, 6-7" diameter] with a outlet welded in. start bending the tank
> gradually up towards the inst. panel within 2-3" from the rear edge of the
> sump. Reason being, if the tank is flat beyond the fuel pickup, fuel runs
> towards the rear of the tank and pulls fuel out of and away from the
pickup.
> This happens when take off is attempted with low fuel, 6-7 gallons or so.
> Make the tank same width, don't try to taper to match the fuselage
> dimension. Give yourself no less than 1/2" clearance on each side, they
seem
> to grow during construction and welding. You might have to cut off the
upper
> corners in the front as the engine mount bolts may hit. Put the vent in
the
> filler neck. Use a short rubber hose to connect filler cap assy. to filler
> neck. Fuel proof hose can be bought at NAPA store. Use a mechanical fuel
> gauge sender that measures ohms to the electric guage. Mount the sender in
> the top of the tank, make sure it clears the center baffle. I have had
three
> probe type senders and they are junk as far as I am concerned. Stainless
> makes a nice fuel tank strap but another is steel strapping used to crate
> things. Just about any dumpster at a manufacturing plant has lots of it.
> Jim
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Eric Schlanser" <eschlanser@yahoo.com>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: panel and fuel tank was re: hot steel
>
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Eric Schlanser
<eschlanser@yahoo.com>
> >
> >
> > Group, This thread is too good to file under "hot steel". I just needed
to
> re-enter it so it can be located later in an archive search under "panel
and
> fuel tank". Thanks. Eric
> > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: hot steel
> >
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement"
> <168x@merr.com>
> >
> > Richard, Fred is right on hinging, forget it. Put two screws on each
side,
> > remove and the panel is loose. Mount the radio trays so they stay with
the
> > panel. Curve the top of the panel at least one inch to prevent oil
canning
> > of the top panel.
> > .025 is to heavy for the firewall. I like to use 28 gauge, about .015.
> Wicks
> > or Spruce have SS in about .017. If you want, 28 gauge galvanized can be
> > bought locally at a sheet metal shop, it works fine but not as pretty.
> > The alum side panels, roll the bottoms around the longerons 1 1/2" and
> > fasten to the lower boot cowl. Sandwich the side windows between the
side
> > boot cowl and the top instrument panel with screws going into the
> instrument
> > top panel. I make the top panel in three pieces, the sides about six
> inches
> > wide.
> > 1/2" tube is fine for the W/S frame but use .028 or .035. Weld tabs to
> screw
> > the W/S to. I will measure how high my panel is and distance from the
> floor
> > when I go to the airport today. Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richard Lamb"
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: hot steel
> >
> >
> > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb
> > >
> > > He never lets me have any fun :(
> > >
> > > I still like that cross tube tho.
> > > It's even a handy spot to secure a (hurrump) non-folding panel.
> > >
> > > I'll tell ya what, tho.
> > > Jim commented about making the tank easily removable.
> > > I'll take that one at face value.
> > > The only thing under the tank are the mount straps
> > > and the fuel line.
> > >
> > > I've had the front cabin side panels clecoed on.
> > > Trying to get a feel for how to get everything flush and
> > > rolled around to the bottom. That's interesting.
> > >
> > > I need a firewall material, and, of course, want stainless.
> > > The .025 stuff I've seem locally is twice too heavy.
> > > Any alternate source for .017??
> > >
> > > This weekend, I bent the windshield frame for the parasol.
> > > 1/2" .040 4130 tube. Came out pretty nice. I think I
> > > see how to form the winshield frame for the TW now.
> > > By comparison, that will be easy.
> > >
> > > Door skins and windows and frames, oh my!
> > > Especially the back window.
> > > I think I see now why the long pointy one is so popular!
> > >
> > >
> > > Fred Weaver wrote:
> > > >
> > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver"
> > > >
> > > > Yo Richard... You really don't need the hinged panel. Hinging the
> panel
> > is
> > > > just a lot more engineering and you will find out with time, that
you
> > don't
> > > > need it at all. Simplify your design by screwing it together... It's
> > not
> > > > like you are loading the thing with GPS, Autopilot, Radios(plural)
etc
> > > > etc... The stuff you install will be fairly accessible thru the top
> > cover
> > > > of the dash.
> > > >
> > > > Once the plane flies, you will be spending lots of time in the air
and
> > you
> > > > won't be doinking around pivoting your panel down for maintenance.
> > > > Honest.....
> > > > Weav
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: Richard Lamb
> > > > To:
> > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: hot steel
> > > >
> > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks Jim.
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually, that bottom tube looks pretty handy.
> > > > > It's located back three inches from the door frame tube.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have moved the panel aft.
> > > > > The panel itself is back 5 or 6 inches from the door frame.
> > > > > There's no obstructions at all for the top row, and the cross
> > > > > tube is 8 or 9 inches (?) in front of the panel.
> > > > > Think that will be enough room?
> > > > >
> > > > > Some of those panel drawing I did think that lower cross tube
> > > > > would be exactly the right spot to hinge mount an instrument
panel.
> > > > >
> > > > > The throttle at high center, and the radios in the top of the
panel
> > > > > would have to be mounted permenately. But the rest of the panel
> > > > > could easily swing down. Having the pivot point back behind the
> > > > > panel that far lets all the gauges swing clear without hitting
> > > > > anything. The Tailwind panel is fairly small, and the floors
> > > > > fairly comfortable without a stick sticking in my back.
> > > > > Still, it's an intriguing idea.
> > > > >
> > > > > You know better than most people how far back behind that thing
> > > > > you have to go sometimes...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jim and Donna Clement wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement"
> > > > <168x@merr.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Richard, Cut the bottom tube out also, then you can make the
panel
> > to
> > > > your
> > > > > > liking. Bring it back enough to get things in with out hitting
the
> > fuel
> > > > > > tank. Jim
> > Subject: Fw: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> >
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Dallas Benham"
> >
> > Richard and Jim:
> >
> > Below is from my files on previous conversations about Tailwind
> construction.
> > Hope it helps.
> >
> > Dallas
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Rick and Cindy"
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> >
> >
> > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rick and Cindy
> > >
> > > JohnD: Made some measurements of N393RC, floor (1/4" ply) to bottom of
> fuel tank
> > > (29.8 gal) is 12", floor to bottom of panel is 20 3/4", panel is 8
1/8"
> tall,
> > > top of panel to bottom of front spar carry through is 8 3/8".
> > > Rick N393RC
> > >
> > > john wrote:
> > >
> > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john"
> > > >
> > > > I'm looking for some input on the panel. I measured Clements panel
at
> > > > Oshkosh and it measured 19 1/2" to the bottom, 10 1/2" of panel,
which
> > > > leaves 7" from the top of the panel, is this about what you fellows
> have
> > > > come up with in your W-10s'? Clements fuel tank measured 10 1/2"
above
> the
> > > > floor. I must have big feet because my shoes measure 12"s', What is
> > > > everyone doing about the distance from the floor to the tank?
> Thankyou.
> > > > JohnD
> > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> >
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement"
> <168x@merr.com>
> >
> > Looks about right, for sure go with the 12" floor to bottom of tank
> height.
> > Jim
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Dallas Benham"
> > Subject: Fw: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> >
> >
> > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Dallas Benham"
> >
> > From: "Louis Owen"
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> >
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Louis Owen"
> >
> > My floor to tank bottom was 13". I have rather big feet.
> > Lou Owen
> >
> >
> > ---------------------------------
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: panel and fuel tank |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
Earl, how were the ends of the straps treated to accept the end of the
turnbuckle? I suspect that the turnbuckle had a fork end and this was pinned
to the end of the strap. How was the strap reinforced so the pin did not
pull out?
Thanks
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Earl Luce" <luceair@att.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Earl Luce" <luceair@att.net>
>
> Witt used two old turnbuckles to tighten the straps on his gas tank , so
> that is what I used on Buttercup, simple but worked great. Also I made
> straps from galvanized stock . I do weld stops on top support tubes so
tank
> doesn't rise while tightening .
> If anyone needs firewall , gas tank , panel material I can get it or
make
> it for you .
> Earl Luce
> nx264
> n18263
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
>
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard"
> <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> >
> > I've been following this thread with some interest, since I'm at this
> stage
> > too.
> >
> > I'm planning to support the tank with 1" straps of 0.025 stainless steel
> > (left over from control surface construction). The forward end will be
> > secured to the top tube at the firewall by wrapping around the tube and
> > bolting through a tab. I saw in Jim Clement's photos that he welds a
short
> > length of 3/8" tubing onto a cross tube about 2-3 inches ahead of the
door
> > post. Myu question is, then what happens? How is the aft end of the tank
> > strap terminated? In the newsletter, Jim Stanton just bent over the end
> of
> > a 0.040" strap and put a bolt through it, but I would like some
provision
> to
> > control the tension on the strap.
> >
> > Thanks for the thoughts.
> >
> > Bill
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
> > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> >
> >
> > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement"
> > <168x@merr.com>
> > >
> > > Looks about right, for sure go with the 12" floor to bottom of tank
> > height.
> > > Jim
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dallas Benham" <dlbenham@smithville.net>
> > > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Fw: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Dallas Benham"
> > > <dlbenham@smithville.net>
> > > >
> > > > Richard and Jim:
> > > >
> > > > Below is from my files on previous conversations about Tailwind
> > > construction.
> > > > Hope it helps.
> > > >
> > > > Dallas
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate@ne.infi.net>
> > > > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rick and Cindy
> > > <rcaviate@ne.infi.net>
> > > > >
> > > > > JohnD: Made some measurements of N393RC, floor (1/4" ply) to
bottom
> of
> > > fuel tank
> > > > > (29.8 gal) is 12", floor to bottom of panel is 20 3/4", panel is 8
> > 1/8"
> > > tall,
> > > > > top of panel to bottom of front spar carry through is 8 3/8".
> > > > > Rick N393RC
> > > > >
> > > > > john wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john"
> <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm looking for some input on the panel. I measured Clements
> panel
> > at
> > > > > > Oshkosh and it measured 19 1/2" to the bottom, 10 1/2" of panel,
> > which
> > > > > > leaves 7" from the top of the panel, is this about what you
> fellows
> > > have
> > > > > > come up with in your W-10s'? Clements fuel tank measured 10
1/2"
> > > above the
> > > > > > floor. I must have big feet because my shoes measure 12"s',
What
> > is
> > > > > > everyone doing about the distance from the floor to the tank?
> > > Thankyou.
> > > > > > JohnD
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Strap bolts Supplier |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
Larry, I don't suppose you have an address for B&B (aircraft supply??)
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry" <laheze@ev1.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Strap bolts Supplier
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Larry" <laheze@ev1.net>
>
> Hi Jim and all,
>
> The supplier you are talking about it B&B, I know him pretty well when we
see each other but his name has slipped my mind.
>
> Larry Howell
> laheze@ev1.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Strap bolts Supplier |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Luc Hermange" <lucskywalker@earthlink.net>
This is from the RV Builders Yeller Pages
http://www.sound.net/~hartmann/yelrpage.htm
B&B AIRCRAFT SUPPLIES 913-884-5930 AN HARDWARE AND LEATHER SEAT SKINS
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Strap bolts Supplier
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard"
<billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
Larry, I don't suppose you have an address for B&B (aircraft supply??)
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Larry" <laheze@ev1.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Strap bolts Supplier
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Larry" <laheze@ev1.net>
>
> Hi Jim and all,
>
> The supplier you are talking about it B&B, I know him pretty well when we
see each other but his name has slipped my mind.
>
> Larry Howell
> laheze@ev1.net
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: panel and fuel tank |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Earl Luce" <luceair@att.net>
Bill
All I did was bend about 1 1/2 " of the end of the strap over twice , then
braze it . you could put 3 rivets in it then drill for the fork .
Earl
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard"
<billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
>
> Earl, how were the ends of the straps treated to accept the end of the
> turnbuckle? I suspect that the turnbuckle had a fork end and this was
pinned
> to the end of the strap. How was the strap reinforced so the pin did not
> pull out?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Earl Luce" <luceair@att.net>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
>
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Earl Luce" <luceair@att.net>
> >
> > Witt used two old turnbuckles to tighten the straps on his gas tank , so
> > that is what I used on Buttercup, simple but worked great. Also I made
> > straps from galvanized stock . I do weld stops on top support tubes so
> tank
> > doesn't rise while tightening .
> > If anyone needs firewall , gas tank , panel material I can get it or
> make
> > it for you .
> > Earl Luce
> > nx264
> > n18263
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> >
> >
> > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard"
> > <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> > >
> > > I've been following this thread with some interest, since I'm at this
> > stage
> > > too.
> > >
> > > I'm planning to support the tank with 1" straps of 0.025 stainless
steel
> > > (left over from control surface construction). The forward end will be
> > > secured to the top tube at the firewall by wrapping around the tube
and
> > > bolting through a tab. I saw in Jim Clement's photos that he welds a
> short
> > > length of 3/8" tubing onto a cross tube about 2-3 inches ahead of the
> door
> > > post. Myu question is, then what happens? How is the aft end of the
tank
> > > strap terminated? In the newsletter, Jim Stanton just bent over the
end
> > of
> > > a 0.040" strap and put a bolt through it, but I would like some
> provision
> > to
> > > control the tension on the strap.
> > >
> > > Thanks for the thoughts.
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
> > > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement"
> > > <168x@merr.com>
> > > >
> > > > Looks about right, for sure go with the 12" floor to bottom of tank
> > > height.
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Dallas Benham" <dlbenham@smithville.net>
> > > > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Subject: Fw: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Dallas Benham"
> > > > <dlbenham@smithville.net>
> > > > >
> > > > > Richard and Jim:
> > > > >
> > > > > Below is from my files on previous conversations about Tailwind
> > > > construction.
> > > > > Hope it helps.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dallas
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate@ne.infi.net>
> > > > > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rick and Cindy
> > > > <rcaviate@ne.infi.net>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > JohnD: Made some measurements of N393RC, floor (1/4" ply) to
> bottom
> > of
> > > > fuel tank
> > > > > > (29.8 gal) is 12", floor to bottom of panel is 20 3/4", panel is
8
> > > 1/8"
> > > > tall,
> > > > > > top of panel to bottom of front spar carry through is 8 3/8".
> > > > > > Rick N393RC
> > > > > >
> > > > > > john wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john"
> > <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I'm looking for some input on the panel. I measured Clements
> > panel
> > > at
> > > > > > > Oshkosh and it measured 19 1/2" to the bottom, 10 1/2" of
panel,
> > > which
> > > > > > > leaves 7" from the top of the panel, is this about what you
> > fellows
> > > > have
> > > > > > > come up with in your W-10s'? Clements fuel tank measured 10
> 1/2"
> > > > above the
> > > > > > > floor. I must have big feet because my shoes measure 12"s',
> What
> > > is
> > > > > > > everyone doing about the distance from the floor to the tank?
> > > > Thankyou.
> > > > > > > JohnD
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Strap bolts Supplier |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Dan Hedge" <DHEDGE@kc.rr.com>
Larry, the business in question is:
B and B Aircraft Supplies
P.O. Box 37
202 South Center St.
Gardner, KS 66030
Owners are Dan and E.J. Brown
Original message
Time: 08:21:13 PM PST US
From: "Larry" <laheze@ev1.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Strap bolts Supplier
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Larry" <laheze@ev1.net>
Hi Jim and all,
The supplier you are talking about it B&B, I know him pretty well when
we see each
other but his name has slipped my mind.
Larry Howell
laheze@ev1.net
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| Subject: | Re: panel and fuel tank |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: RJ <gatsby8898@yahoo.com>
I used SS for straps, bent the ends over a 3/4" X 1" X
.040 4130 once, (each end), drilled one hole in
center of strap and 4130 piece on each end, and used
forked turnbuckles on one end, bolt through tab welded
at station AA on other ends. No welding or brazing.
Turnbuckle fork fits nicely over SS folded over .040.
RJ
--- Earl Luce <luceair@att.net> wrote:
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Earl Luce"
> <luceair@att.net>
>
> Bill
> All I did was bend about 1 1/2 " of the end of the
> strap over twice , then
> braze it . you could put 3 rivets in it then drill
> for the fork .
> Earl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Bernard"
> <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
>
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William
> Bernard"
> <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> >
> > Earl, how were the ends of the straps treated to
> accept the end of the
> > turnbuckle? I suspect that the turnbuckle had a
> fork end and this was
> pinned
> > to the end of the strap. How was the strap
> reinforced so the pin did not
> > pull out?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Bill
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Earl Luce" <luceair@att.net>
> > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> >
> >
> > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Earl Luce"
> <luceair@att.net>
> > >
> > > Witt used two old turnbuckles to tighten the
> straps on his gas tank , so
> > > that is what I used on Buttercup, simple but
> worked great. Also I made
> > > straps from galvanized stock . I do weld stops
> on top support tubes so
> > tank
> > > doesn't rise while tightening .
> > > If anyone needs firewall , gas tank , panel
> material I can get it or
> > make
> > > it for you .
> > > Earl Luce
> > > nx264
> > > n18263
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "William Bernard"
> <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> > > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William
> Bernard"
> > > <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> > > >
> > > > I've been following this thread with some
> interest, since I'm at this
> > > stage
> > > > too.
> > > >
> > > > I'm planning to support the tank with 1"
> straps of 0.025 stainless
> steel
> > > > (left over from control surface construction).
> The forward end will be
> > > > secured to the top tube at the firewall by
> wrapping around the tube
> and
> > > > bolting through a tab. I saw in Jim Clement's
> photos that he welds a
> > short
> > > > length of 3/8" tubing onto a cross tube about
> 2-3 inches ahead of the
> > door
> > > > post. Myu question is, then what happens? How
> is the aft end of the
> tank
> > > > strap terminated? In the newsletter, Jim
> Stanton just bent over the
> end
> > > of
> > > > a 0.040" strap and put a bolt through it, but
> I would like some
> > provision
> > > to
> > > > control the tension on the strap.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the thoughts.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
> > > > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel
> tank
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim
> and Donna Clement"
> > > > <168x@merr.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > Looks about right, for sure go with the 12"
> floor to bottom of tank
> > > > height.
> > > > > Jim
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Dallas Benham"
> <dlbenham@smithville.net>
> > > > > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > > > > Subject: Fw: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel
> tank
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by:
> "Dallas Benham"
> > > > > <dlbenham@smithville.net>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Richard and Jim:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Below is from my files on previous
> conversations about Tailwind
> > > > > construction.
> > > > > > Hope it helps.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dallas
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Rick and Cindy"
> <rcaviate@ne.infi.net>
> > > > > > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel
> tank
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by:
> Rick and Cindy
> > > > > <rcaviate@ne.infi.net>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > JohnD: Made some measurements of N393RC,
> floor (1/4" ply) to
> > bottom
> > > of
> > > > > fuel tank
> > > > > > > (29.8 gal) is 12", floor to bottom of
> panel is 20 3/4", panel is
> 8
> > > > 1/8"
> > > > > tall,
> > > > > > > top of panel to bottom of front spar
> carry through is 8 3/8".
> > > > > > > Rick N393RC
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > john wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by:
> "john"
> > > <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm looking for some input on the
> panel. I measured Clements
> > > panel
> > > > at
> > > > > > > > Oshkosh and it measured 19 1/2" to the
> bottom, 10 1/2" of
> panel,
> > > > which
> > > > > > > > leaves 7" from the top of the panel,
> is this about what you
> > > fellows
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > > come up with in your W-10s'?
> Clements fuel tank measured 10
> > 1/2"
> > > > > above the
> > > > > > > > floor. I must have big feet because
> my shoes measure 12"s',
> > What
> > > > is
> > > > > > > > everyone doing about the distance from
> the floor to the tank?
> > > > > Thankyou.
> > > > > > > > JohnD
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
>
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| Subject: | Re: panel and fuel tank was re: hot steel |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
On Bob's TW, removed some bends and choked down fittings in the fuel line.
Also a part on the mixture control was pressed into the float bowl about 10
degrees on the lean side, so it never was in full rich. Then while taking
the carb apart for what seemed like the 10th time we found what looked like
a real small piece of gravel under one of the jets. Don't know what fixed it
but he just finished his 40 hours last week and it runs fine. Russ is
changing the bottom shape of his fuel tank. It was to big and flat on the
bottom and to close to the floor. It would want to quit on TO with any less
than 15 gallons.
Mine seems to be working OK. Jim
---- Original Message -----
From: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: panel and fuel tank was re: hot steel
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard"
<billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
>
> Thanks, Jim. BTW, did you ever get the problem with the vent location
> resolved?
>
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: panel and fuel tank was re: hot steel
>
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement"
> <168x@merr.com>
> >
> > Bill, They make a strap bolt just for fuel tank straps. I buy them for
> about
> > $2-3 each from the hardware vender at OSH. Forget the name, he is the
one
> > with lots of stuff in a big tent. Also sells cowhides. Someone here will
> > come up with his name, from Wichita area. It is a three inch tee bolt.
you
> > put a hole in your strap, then bend the short end around and either weld
> or
> > rivet to itself.
> > Make your tank 12" from the floor and pound a sump [big dent about 1/2"
> > deep, 6-7" diameter] with a outlet welded in. start bending the tank
> > gradually up towards the inst. panel within 2-3" from the rear edge of
the
> > sump. Reason being, if the tank is flat beyond the fuel pickup, fuel
runs
> > towards the rear of the tank and pulls fuel out of and away from the
> pickup.
> > This happens when take off is attempted with low fuel, 6-7 gallons or
so.
> > Make the tank same width, don't try to taper to match the fuselage
> > dimension. Give yourself no less than 1/2" clearance on each side, they
> seem
> > to grow during construction and welding. You might have to cut off the
> upper
> > corners in the front as the engine mount bolts may hit. Put the vent in
> the
> > filler neck. Use a short rubber hose to connect filler cap assy. to
filler
> > neck. Fuel proof hose can be bought at NAPA store. Use a mechanical fuel
> > gauge sender that measures ohms to the electric guage. Mount the sender
in
> > the top of the tank, make sure it clears the center baffle. I have had
> three
> > probe type senders and they are junk as far as I am concerned. Stainless
> > makes a nice fuel tank strap but another is steel strapping used to
crate
> > things. Just about any dumpster at a manufacturing plant has lots of it.
> > Jim
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Eric Schlanser" <eschlanser@yahoo.com>
> > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: panel and fuel tank was re: hot steel
> >
> >
> > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Eric Schlanser
> <eschlanser@yahoo.com>
> > >
> > >
> > > Group, This thread is too good to file under "hot steel". I just
needed
> to
> > re-enter it so it can be located later in an archive search under "panel
> and
> > fuel tank". Thanks. Eric
> > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: hot steel
> > >
> > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement"
> > <168x@merr.com>
> > >
> > > Richard, Fred is right on hinging, forget it. Put two screws on each
> side,
> > > remove and the panel is loose. Mount the radio trays so they stay with
> the
> > > panel. Curve the top of the panel at least one inch to prevent oil
> canning
> > > of the top panel.
> > > .025 is to heavy for the firewall. I like to use 28 gauge, about .015.
> > Wicks
> > > or Spruce have SS in about .017. If you want, 28 gauge galvanized can
be
> > > bought locally at a sheet metal shop, it works fine but not as pretty.
> > > The alum side panels, roll the bottoms around the longerons 1 1/2" and
> > > fasten to the lower boot cowl. Sandwich the side windows between the
> side
> > > boot cowl and the top instrument panel with screws going into the
> > instrument
> > > top panel. I make the top panel in three pieces, the sides about six
> > inches
> > > wide.
> > > 1/2" tube is fine for the W/S frame but use .028 or .035. Weld tabs to
> > screw
> > > the W/S to. I will measure how high my panel is and distance from the
> > floor
> > > when I go to the airport today. Jim
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Richard Lamb"
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: hot steel
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb
> > > >
> > > > He never lets me have any fun :(
> > > >
> > > > I still like that cross tube tho.
> > > > It's even a handy spot to secure a (hurrump) non-folding panel.
> > > >
> > > > I'll tell ya what, tho.
> > > > Jim commented about making the tank easily removable.
> > > > I'll take that one at face value.
> > > > The only thing under the tank are the mount straps
> > > > and the fuel line.
> > > >
> > > > I've had the front cabin side panels clecoed on.
> > > > Trying to get a feel for how to get everything flush and
> > > > rolled around to the bottom. That's interesting.
> > > >
> > > > I need a firewall material, and, of course, want stainless.
> > > > The .025 stuff I've seem locally is twice too heavy.
> > > > Any alternate source for .017??
> > > >
> > > > This weekend, I bent the windshield frame for the parasol.
> > > > 1/2" .040 4130 tube. Came out pretty nice. I think I
> > > > see how to form the winshield frame for the TW now.
> > > > By comparison, that will be easy.
> > > >
> > > > Door skins and windows and frames, oh my!
> > > > Especially the back window.
> > > > I think I see now why the long pointy one is so popular!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Fred Weaver wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver"
> > > > >
> > > > > Yo Richard... You really don't need the hinged panel. Hinging the
> > panel
> > > is
> > > > > just a lot more engineering and you will find out with time, that
> you
> > > don't
> > > > > need it at all. Simplify your design by screwing it together...
It's
> > > not
> > > > > like you are loading the thing with GPS, Autopilot, Radios(plural)
> etc
> > > > > etc... The stuff you install will be fairly accessible thru the
top
> > > cover
> > > > > of the dash.
> > > > >
> > > > > Once the plane flies, you will be spending lots of time in the air
> and
> > > you
> > > > > won't be doinking around pivoting your panel down for maintenance.
> > > > > Honest.....
> > > > > Weav
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Richard Lamb
> > > > > To:
> > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: hot steel
> > > > >
> > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thanks Jim.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Actually, that bottom tube looks pretty handy.
> > > > > > It's located back three inches from the door frame tube.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have moved the panel aft.
> > > > > > The panel itself is back 5 or 6 inches from the door frame.
> > > > > > There's no obstructions at all for the top row, and the cross
> > > > > > tube is 8 or 9 inches (?) in front of the panel.
> > > > > > Think that will be enough room?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Some of those panel drawing I did think that lower cross tube
> > > > > > would be exactly the right spot to hinge mount an instrument
> panel.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The throttle at high center, and the radios in the top of the
> panel
> > > > > > would have to be mounted permenately. But the rest of the panel
> > > > > > could easily swing down. Having the pivot point back behind the
> > > > > > panel that far lets all the gauges swing clear without hitting
> > > > > > anything. The Tailwind panel is fairly small, and the floors
> > > > > > fairly comfortable without a stick sticking in my back.
> > > > > > Still, it's an intriguing idea.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > You know better than most people how far back behind that thing
> > > > > > you have to go sometimes...
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Jim and Donna Clement wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement"
> > > > > <168x@merr.com>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Richard, Cut the bottom tube out also, then you can make the
> panel
> > > to
> > > > > your
> > > > > > > liking. Bring it back enough to get things in with out hitting
> the
> > > fuel
> > > > > > > tank. Jim
> > > Subject: Fw: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> > >
> > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Dallas Benham"
> > >
> > > Richard and Jim:
> > >
> > > Below is from my files on previous conversations about Tailwind
> > construction.
> > > Hope it helps.
> > >
> > > Dallas
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rick and Cindy"
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rick and Cindy
> > > >
> > > > JohnD: Made some measurements of N393RC, floor (1/4" ply) to bottom
of
> > fuel tank
> > > > (29.8 gal) is 12", floor to bottom of panel is 20 3/4", panel is 8
> 1/8"
> > tall,
> > > > top of panel to bottom of front spar carry through is 8 3/8".
> > > > Rick N393RC
> > > >
> > > > john wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john"
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm looking for some input on the panel. I measured Clements panel
> at
> > > > > Oshkosh and it measured 19 1/2" to the bottom, 10 1/2" of panel,
> which
> > > > > leaves 7" from the top of the panel, is this about what you
fellows
> > have
> > > > > come up with in your W-10s'? Clements fuel tank measured 10 1/2"
> above
> > the
> > > > > floor. I must have big feet because my shoes measure 12"s', What
is
> > > > > everyone doing about the distance from the floor to the tank?
> > Thankyou.
> > > > > JohnD
> > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> > >
> > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement"
> > <168x@merr.com>
> > >
> > > Looks about right, for sure go with the 12" floor to bottom of tank
> > height.
> > > Jim
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Dallas Benham"
> > > Subject: Fw: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Dallas Benham"
> > >
> > > From: "Louis Owen"
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> > >
> > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Louis Owen"
> > >
> > > My floor to tank bottom was 13". I have rather big feet.
> > > Lou Owen
> > >
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
Thanks Earl!
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Earl Luce" <luceair@att.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Earl Luce" <luceair@att.net>
>
> Bill
> All I did was bend about 1 1/2 " of the end of the strap over twice , then
> braze it . you could put 3 rivets in it then drill for the fork .
> Earl
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
>
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard"
> <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> >
> > Earl, how were the ends of the straps treated to accept the end of the
> > turnbuckle? I suspect that the turnbuckle had a fork end and this was
> pinned
> > to the end of the strap. How was the strap reinforced so the pin did not
> > pull out?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Bill
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Earl Luce" <luceair@att.net>
> > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> >
> >
> > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Earl Luce" <luceair@att.net>
> > >
> > > Witt used two old turnbuckles to tighten the straps on his gas tank ,
so
> > > that is what I used on Buttercup, simple but worked great. Also I made
> > > straps from galvanized stock . I do weld stops on top support tubes
so
> > tank
> > > doesn't rise while tightening .
> > > If anyone needs firewall , gas tank , panel material I can get it or
> > make
> > > it for you .
> > > Earl Luce
> > > nx264
> > > n18263
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> > > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard"
> > > <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> > > >
> > > > I've been following this thread with some interest, since I'm at
this
> > > stage
> > > > too.
> > > >
> > > > I'm planning to support the tank with 1" straps of 0.025 stainless
> steel
> > > > (left over from control surface construction). The forward end will
be
> > > > secured to the top tube at the firewall by wrapping around the tube
> and
> > > > bolting through a tab. I saw in Jim Clement's photos that he welds a
> > short
> > > > length of 3/8" tubing onto a cross tube about 2-3 inches ahead of
the
> > door
> > > > post. Myu question is, then what happens? How is the aft end of the
> tank
> > > > strap terminated? In the newsletter, Jim Stanton just bent over the
> end
> > > of
> > > > a 0.040" strap and put a bolt through it, but I would like some
> > provision
> > > to
> > > > control the tension on the strap.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks for the thoughts.
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
> > > > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement"
> > > > <168x@merr.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > Looks about right, for sure go with the 12" floor to bottom of
tank
> > > > height.
> > > > > Jim
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Dallas Benham" <dlbenham@smithville.net>
> > > > > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > > > > Subject: Fw: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Dallas Benham"
> > > > > <dlbenham@smithville.net>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Richard and Jim:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Below is from my files on previous conversations about Tailwind
> > > > > construction.
> > > > > > Hope it helps.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Dallas
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate@ne.infi.net>
> > > > > > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rick and Cindy
> > > > > <rcaviate@ne.infi.net>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > JohnD: Made some measurements of N393RC, floor (1/4" ply) to
> > bottom
> > > of
> > > > > fuel tank
> > > > > > > (29.8 gal) is 12", floor to bottom of panel is 20 3/4", panel
is
> 8
> > > > 1/8"
> > > > > tall,
> > > > > > > top of panel to bottom of front spar carry through is 8 3/8".
> > > > > > > Rick N393RC
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > john wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john"
> > > <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I'm looking for some input on the panel. I measured
Clements
> > > panel
> > > > at
> > > > > > > > Oshkosh and it measured 19 1/2" to the bottom, 10 1/2" of
> panel,
> > > > which
> > > > > > > > leaves 7" from the top of the panel, is this about what you
> > > fellows
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > > come up with in your W-10s'? Clements fuel tank measured
10
> > 1/2"
> > > > > above the
> > > > > > > > floor. I must have big feet because my shoes measure 12"s',
> > What
> > > > is
> > > > > > > > everyone doing about the distance from the floor to the
tank?
> > > > > Thankyou.
> > > > > > > > JohnD
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
Thanks Luc!
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Luc Hermange" <lucskywalker@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Strap bolts Supplier
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Luc Hermange"
<lucskywalker@earthlink.net>
>
> This is from the RV Builders Yeller Pages
> http://www.sound.net/~hartmann/yelrpage.htm
> B&B AIRCRAFT SUPPLIES 913-884-5930 AN HARDWARE AND LEATHER SEAT SKINS
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Strap bolts Supplier
>
>
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard"
> <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
>
> Larry, I don't suppose you have an address for B&B (aircraft supply??)
>
> Bill
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Larry" <laheze@ev1.net>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Strap bolts Supplier
>
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Larry" <laheze@ev1.net>
> >
> > Hi Jim and all,
> >
> > The supplier you are talking about it B&B, I know him pretty well when
we
> see each other but his name has slipped my mind.
> >
> > Larry Howell
> > laheze@ev1.net
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
Thanks Dan!
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan Hedge" <DHEDGE@kc.rr.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Strap bolts Supplier
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Dan Hedge" <DHEDGE@kc.rr.com>
>
> Larry, the business in question is:
>
> B and B Aircraft Supplies
> P.O. Box 37
> 202 South Center St.
> Gardner, KS 66030
>
> Owners are Dan and E.J. Brown
>
>
> Original message
> Time: 08:21:13 PM PST US
> From: "Larry" <laheze@ev1.net>
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Strap bolts Supplier
>
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Larry" <laheze@ev1.net>
>
> Hi Jim and all,
>
> The supplier you are talking about it B&B, I know him pretty well when
> we see each
> other but his name has slipped my mind.
>
> Larry Howell
> laheze@ev1.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
Thanks RJ!
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "RJ" <gatsby8898@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: RJ <gatsby8898@yahoo.com>
>
> I used SS for straps, bent the ends over a 3/4" X 1" X
> .040 4130 once, (each end), drilled one hole in
> center of strap and 4130 piece on each end, and used
> forked turnbuckles on one end, bolt through tab welded
> at station AA on other ends. No welding or brazing.
> Turnbuckle fork fits nicely over SS folded over .040.
> RJ
> --- Earl Luce <luceair@att.net> wrote:
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Earl Luce"
> > <luceair@att.net>
> >
> > Bill
> > All I did was bend about 1 1/2 " of the end of the
> > strap over twice , then
> > braze it . you could put 3 rivets in it then drill
> > for the fork .
> > Earl
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Bernard"
> > <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> >
> >
> > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William
> > Bernard"
> > <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> > >
> > > Earl, how were the ends of the straps treated to
> > accept the end of the
> > > turnbuckle? I suspect that the turnbuckle had a
> > fork end and this was
> > pinned
> > > to the end of the strap. How was the strap
> > reinforced so the pin did not
> > > pull out?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Earl Luce" <luceair@att.net>
> > > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Earl Luce"
> > <luceair@att.net>
> > > >
> > > > Witt used two old turnbuckles to tighten the
> > straps on his gas tank , so
> > > > that is what I used on Buttercup, simple but
> > worked great. Also I made
> > > > straps from galvanized stock . I do weld stops
> > on top support tubes so
> > > tank
> > > > doesn't rise while tightening .
> > > > If anyone needs firewall , gas tank , panel
> > material I can get it or
> > > make
> > > > it for you .
> > > > Earl Luce
> > > > nx264
> > > > n18263
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "William Bernard"
> > <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> > > > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William
> > Bernard"
> > > > <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> > > > >
> > > > > I've been following this thread with some
> > interest, since I'm at this
> > > > stage
> > > > > too.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm planning to support the tank with 1"
> > straps of 0.025 stainless
> > steel
> > > > > (left over from control surface construction).
> > The forward end will be
> > > > > secured to the top tube at the firewall by
> > wrapping around the tube
> > and
> > > > > bolting through a tab. I saw in Jim Clement's
> > photos that he welds a
> > > short
> > > > > length of 3/8" tubing onto a cross tube about
> > 2-3 inches ahead of the
> > > door
> > > > > post. Myu question is, then what happens? How
> > is the aft end of the
> > tank
> > > > > strap terminated? In the newsletter, Jim
> > Stanton just bent over the
> > end
> > > > of
> > > > > a 0.040" strap and put a bolt through it, but
> > I would like some
> > > provision
> > > > to
> > > > > control the tension on the strap.
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks for the thoughts.
> > > > >
> > > > > Bill
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
> > > > > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel
> > tank
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim
> > and Donna Clement"
> > > > > <168x@merr.com>
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Looks about right, for sure go with the 12"
> > floor to bottom of tank
> > > > > height.
> > > > > > Jim
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: "Dallas Benham"
> > <dlbenham@smithville.net>
> > > > > > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > > > > > Subject: Fw: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel
> > tank
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by:
> > "Dallas Benham"
> > > > > > <dlbenham@smithville.net>
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Richard and Jim:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Below is from my files on previous
> > conversations about Tailwind
> > > > > > construction.
> > > > > > > Hope it helps.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dallas
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > From: "Rick and Cindy"
> > <rcaviate@ne.infi.net>
> > > > > > > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > > > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel
> > tank
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by:
> > Rick and Cindy
> > > > > > <rcaviate@ne.infi.net>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > JohnD: Made some measurements of N393RC,
> > floor (1/4" ply) to
> > > bottom
> > > > of
> > > > > > fuel tank
> > > > > > > > (29.8 gal) is 12", floor to bottom of
> > panel is 20 3/4", panel is
> > 8
> > > > > 1/8"
> > > > > > tall,
> > > > > > > > top of panel to bottom of front spar
> > carry through is 8 3/8".
> > > > > > > > Rick N393RC
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > john wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by:
> > "john"
> > > > <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I'm looking for some input on the
> > panel. I measured Clements
> > > > panel
> > > > > at
> > > > > > > > > Oshkosh and it measured 19 1/2" to the
> > bottom, 10 1/2" of
> > panel,
> > > > > which
> > > > > > > > > leaves 7" from the top of the panel,
> > is this about what you
> > > > fellows
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > come up with in your W-10s'?
> > Clements fuel tank measured 10
> > > 1/2"
> > > > > > above the
> > > > > > > > > floor. I must have big feet because
> > my shoes measure 12"s',
> > > What
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > everyone doing about the distance from
> > the floor to the tank?
> > > > > > Thankyou.
> > > > > > > > > JohnD
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> >
> === message truncated ===
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
Thanks for the 'rest of the story' Jim.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: panel and fuel tank was re: hot steel
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement"
<168x@merr.com>
>
> On Bob's TW, removed some bends and choked down fittings in the fuel line.
> Also a part on the mixture control was pressed into the float bowl about
10
> degrees on the lean side, so it never was in full rich. Then while taking
> the carb apart for what seemed like the 10th time we found what looked
like
> a real small piece of gravel under one of the jets. Don't know what fixed
it
> but he just finished his 40 hours last week and it runs fine. Russ is
> changing the bottom shape of his fuel tank. It was to big and flat on the
> bottom and to close to the floor. It would want to quit on TO with any
less
> than 15 gallons.
> Mine seems to be working OK. Jim
>
> ---- Original Message -----
> From: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: panel and fuel tank was re: hot steel
>
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard"
> <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> >
> > Thanks, Jim. BTW, did you ever get the problem with the vent location
> > resolved?
> >
> > Bill
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
> > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: panel and fuel tank was re: hot steel
> >
> >
> > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement"
> > <168x@merr.com>
> > >
> > > Bill, They make a strap bolt just for fuel tank straps. I buy them for
> > about
> > > $2-3 each from the hardware vender at OSH. Forget the name, he is the
> one
> > > with lots of stuff in a big tent. Also sells cowhides. Someone here
will
> > > come up with his name, from Wichita area. It is a three inch tee bolt.
> you
> > > put a hole in your strap, then bend the short end around and either
weld
> > or
> > > rivet to itself.
> > > Make your tank 12" from the floor and pound a sump [big dent about
1/2"
> > > deep, 6-7" diameter] with a outlet welded in. start bending the tank
> > > gradually up towards the inst. panel within 2-3" from the rear edge of
> the
> > > sump. Reason being, if the tank is flat beyond the fuel pickup, fuel
> runs
> > > towards the rear of the tank and pulls fuel out of and away from the
> > pickup.
> > > This happens when take off is attempted with low fuel, 6-7 gallons or
> so.
> > > Make the tank same width, don't try to taper to match the fuselage
> > > dimension. Give yourself no less than 1/2" clearance on each side,
they
> > seem
> > > to grow during construction and welding. You might have to cut off the
> > upper
> > > corners in the front as the engine mount bolts may hit. Put the vent
in
> > the
> > > filler neck. Use a short rubber hose to connect filler cap assy. to
> filler
> > > neck. Fuel proof hose can be bought at NAPA store. Use a mechanical
fuel
> > > gauge sender that measures ohms to the electric guage. Mount the
sender
> in
> > > the top of the tank, make sure it clears the center baffle. I have had
> > three
> > > probe type senders and they are junk as far as I am concerned.
Stainless
> > > makes a nice fuel tank strap but another is steel strapping used to
> crate
> > > things. Just about any dumpster at a manufacturing plant has lots of
it.
> > > Jim
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Eric Schlanser" <eschlanser@yahoo.com>
> > > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > > Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: panel and fuel tank was re: hot steel
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Eric Schlanser
> > <eschlanser@yahoo.com>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Group, This thread is too good to file under "hot steel". I just
> needed
> > to
> > > re-enter it so it can be located later in an archive search under
"panel
> > and
> > > fuel tank". Thanks. Eric
> > > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: hot steel
> > > >
> > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement"
> > > <168x@merr.com>
> > > >
> > > > Richard, Fred is right on hinging, forget it. Put two screws on each
> > side,
> > > > remove and the panel is loose. Mount the radio trays so they stay
with
> > the
> > > > panel. Curve the top of the panel at least one inch to prevent oil
> > canning
> > > > of the top panel.
> > > > .025 is to heavy for the firewall. I like to use 28 gauge, about
.015.
> > > Wicks
> > > > or Spruce have SS in about .017. If you want, 28 gauge galvanized
can
> be
> > > > bought locally at a sheet metal shop, it works fine but not as
pretty.
> > > > The alum side panels, roll the bottoms around the longerons 1 1/2"
and
> > > > fasten to the lower boot cowl. Sandwich the side windows between the
> > side
> > > > boot cowl and the top instrument panel with screws going into the
> > > instrument
> > > > top panel. I make the top panel in three pieces, the sides about six
> > > inches
> > > > wide.
> > > > 1/2" tube is fine for the W/S frame but use .028 or .035. Weld tabs
to
> > > screw
> > > > the W/S to. I will measure how high my panel is and distance from
the
> > > floor
> > > > when I go to the airport today. Jim
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Richard Lamb"
> > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: hot steel
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb
> > > > >
> > > > > He never lets me have any fun :(
> > > > >
> > > > > I still like that cross tube tho.
> > > > > It's even a handy spot to secure a (hurrump) non-folding panel.
> > > > >
> > > > > I'll tell ya what, tho.
> > > > > Jim commented about making the tank easily removable.
> > > > > I'll take that one at face value.
> > > > > The only thing under the tank are the mount straps
> > > > > and the fuel line.
> > > > >
> > > > > I've had the front cabin side panels clecoed on.
> > > > > Trying to get a feel for how to get everything flush and
> > > > > rolled around to the bottom. That's interesting.
> > > > >
> > > > > I need a firewall material, and, of course, want stainless.
> > > > > The .025 stuff I've seem locally is twice too heavy.
> > > > > Any alternate source for .017??
> > > > >
> > > > > This weekend, I bent the windshield frame for the parasol.
> > > > > 1/2" .040 4130 tube. Came out pretty nice. I think I
> > > > > see how to form the winshield frame for the TW now.
> > > > > By comparison, that will be easy.
> > > > >
> > > > > Door skins and windows and frames, oh my!
> > > > > Especially the back window.
> > > > > I think I see now why the long pointy one is so popular!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Fred Weaver wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yo Richard... You really don't need the hinged panel. Hinging
the
> > > panel
> > > > is
> > > > > > just a lot more engineering and you will find out with time,
that
> > you
> > > > don't
> > > > > > need it at all. Simplify your design by screwing it together...
> It's
> > > > not
> > > > > > like you are loading the thing with GPS, Autopilot,
Radios(plural)
> > etc
> > > > > > etc... The stuff you install will be fairly accessible thru the
> top
> > > > cover
> > > > > > of the dash.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Once the plane flies, you will be spending lots of time in the
air
> > and
> > > > you
> > > > > > won't be doinking around pivoting your panel down for
maintenance.
> > > > > > Honest.....
> > > > > > Weav
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: Richard Lamb
> > > > > > To:
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: hot steel
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Thanks Jim.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Actually, that bottom tube looks pretty handy.
> > > > > > > It's located back three inches from the door frame tube.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have moved the panel aft.
> > > > > > > The panel itself is back 5 or 6 inches from the door frame.
> > > > > > > There's no obstructions at all for the top row, and the cross
> > > > > > > tube is 8 or 9 inches (?) in front of the panel.
> > > > > > > Think that will be enough room?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Some of those panel drawing I did think that lower cross tube
> > > > > > > would be exactly the right spot to hinge mount an instrument
> > panel.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > The throttle at high center, and the radios in the top of the
> > panel
> > > > > > > would have to be mounted permenately. But the rest of the
panel
> > > > > > > could easily swing down. Having the pivot point back behind
the
> > > > > > > panel that far lets all the gauges swing clear without hitting
> > > > > > > anything. The Tailwind panel is fairly small, and the floors
> > > > > > > fairly comfortable without a stick sticking in my back.
> > > > > > > Still, it's an intriguing idea.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > You know better than most people how far back behind that
thing
> > > > > > > you have to go sometimes...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jim and Donna Clement wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement"
> > > > > > <168x@merr.com>
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Richard, Cut the bottom tube out also, then you can make the
> > panel
> > > > to
> > > > > > your
> > > > > > > > liking. Bring it back enough to get things in with out
hitting
> > the
> > > > fuel
> > > > > > > > tank. Jim
> > > > Subject: Fw: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> > > >
> > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Dallas Benham"
> > > >
> > > > Richard and Jim:
> > > >
> > > > Below is from my files on previous conversations about Tailwind
> > > construction.
> > > > Hope it helps.
> > > >
> > > > Dallas
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rick and Cindy"
> > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rick and Cindy
> > > > >
> > > > > JohnD: Made some measurements of N393RC, floor (1/4" ply) to
bottom
> of
> > > fuel tank
> > > > > (29.8 gal) is 12", floor to bottom of panel is 20 3/4", panel is 8
> > 1/8"
> > > tall,
> > > > > top of panel to bottom of front spar carry through is 8 3/8".
> > > > > Rick N393RC
> > > > >
> > > > > john wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john"
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I'm looking for some input on the panel. I measured Clements
panel
> > at
> > > > > > Oshkosh and it measured 19 1/2" to the bottom, 10 1/2" of panel,
> > which
> > > > > > leaves 7" from the top of the panel, is this about what you
> fellows
> > > have
> > > > > > come up with in your W-10s'? Clements fuel tank measured 10 1/2"
> > above
> > > the
> > > > > > floor. I must have big feet because my shoes measure 12"s', What
> is
> > > > > > everyone doing about the distance from the floor to the tank?
> > > Thankyou.
> > > > > > JohnD
> > > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
> > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> > > >
> > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement"
> > > <168x@merr.com>
> > > >
> > > > Looks about right, for sure go with the 12" floor to bottom of tank
> > > height.
> > > > Jim
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Dallas Benham"
> > > > Subject: Fw: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Dallas Benham"
> > > >
> > > > From: "Louis Owen"
> > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank
> > > >
> > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Louis Owen"
> > > >
> > > > My floor to tank bottom was 13". I have rather big feet.
> > > > Lou Owen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ---------------------------------
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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