---------------------------------------------------------- Tailwind-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 12/23/02: 14 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:38 AM - Re: W-8 Elevators (Fred Weaver) 2. 07:23 AM - Re: Re: W-8 Elevators (Eric Schlanser) 3. 07:29 AM - Re: Re: Re: W-8 Elevators (USAviator1@aol.com) 4. 08:15 AM - Re: Re: Re: W-8 Elevators (flamini2) 5. 09:29 AM - Re: Re: Re: W-8 Elevators (USAviator1@aol.com) 6. 10:29 AM - Alternative Engines. (Fred Weaver) 7. 10:37 AM - Location (George Turner) 8. 12:50 PM - Re: Alternative Engines. (David Stroud) 9. 01:16 PM - Bob Danner's phone # (Bob Estelle Danner) 10. 08:35 PM - Remote Oil Filter (Davstamsta@aol.com) 11. 08:35 PM - Push-to-talk (Davstamsta@aol.com) 12. 08:44 PM - Re: Remote Oil Filter (Dallas Benham) 13. 09:40 PM - Re: Push-to-talk (Fred Weaver) 14. 10:33 PM - Re: Push-to-talk (Richard Lamb) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:38:27 AM PST US Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: W-8 Elevators From: Fred Weaver --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Fred Weaver I would be most happy to exchange rides... A friend two hangars away from me is building a big Murphy. One helluva neat sheetmetal monster. The only problem you will have after riding in this particular Tailwind is one of power selection. When you climb out at over 1500 fpm @ 160 mph indicated, it's really tough to go home thinking you might put a Subaru in your new creation. It's a very comfortable W10 that really gets with the program. Happy Holidays to the whole Tailwind bunch. Won't be long and this move of mine will be finished and I can get back to having a great time joking around. Weav On Sunday, December 22, 2002, at 07:08 PM, Bill newkirk wrote: > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Bill newkirk" > > Fred, Thanks for your thoughts. > I have 2 engines; a 2500 Subaru and an o-235. I have good and > not-so-good > feelings about each. The fuselage is quite complete and has outstanding > workmanship - it supposedly was built by a shop in Santa Maria. > Because of > the good quality, I have some reluctance to screw it up by "improving" > it. > I have a TIG welder and am an okay welder. Jerry Hey told me that I > should > fly my Murphy Rebel to Jackson and beg you for a ride. Perhaps after > the > new year. > I'm considering your recommendations. Thanks again. > > Bill Newkirk > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Fred Weaver" > To: > Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: W-8 Elevators > > >> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" >> >> Bill.... I guess I have to put my 2 cents worth into this.... The >> size > of >> the stab/elevator combination should be increased IF you are planning >> on >> using a Lycoming engine for power. If you are using an 0-200 or C-85, >> you >> can throw my comments in the trash bin. However, if you are going to go > with >> a 135 to 160 hp lycoming, you would be well advised to build the stab > bigger >> and balance the elevators just like a W10. The thing is.....with the > heavier >> engine comes a requirement for more decalage or stab angle to harmonize > the >> trim. This is because the dry CG is so much farther forward. A stock W8 > with >> the heavier engine develops very high stick loads when slowing down in >> the >> pattern for landing. AND Landing too... Also, without the added area, > the >> stab develops a higher level of drag in the cruise configuration. With > more >> area, you don't have to have all the angle required for straight and >> level >> trim.. >> I flew one stock for over 10 years without the added area.. It worked >> but > I >> always wanted to change the way it felt........ If I had to do over, I >> would definitely add stab area along with W10 elevators. I think this > would >> help the W8 go faster and come so much closer to the nice feel of the >> W10. >> On long trips, I would reduce the stab angle to increase my cruise >> speed > by >> 7 mph. This only created higher stick forces when landing and taking >> off > but >> I really liked the extra speed. >> >> Which engine are you going to install? >> Fred Weaver >> Sutter Creek, CA >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: Bill newkirk >> To: >> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: W-8 Elevators >> >> >>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Bill newkirk" >>> >>> >>> Thanks for the replies. Leaving them stock would certainly be easier, >>> because they are completed. >>> >>> Bill Newkirk >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: >>> To: >>> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: W-8 Elevators >>> >>> >>>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: >>>> >>>> NO.. Mine is per plans and works fine Jack Steele C-Fsny >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Bill newkirk >>>> To: Bill newkirk ; tailwind-list@matronics.com >>>> >>>> Date: Friday, December 20, 2002 11:28 PM >>>> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: W-8 Elevators >>>> >>>> >>>>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Bill newkirk" >> >>>>> >>>>> The W-8 project I have inherited has no provision for balancing the >>>>> elevators. Is this important? Should the elevators be modified >> similar >>> to >>>>> W-10 elevators? >>>>> >>>>> Bill Newkirk >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Bill newkirk" >>>>> To: >>>>> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: panel and fuel tank was re: hot >>>>> steel >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> The strap 'T" bolts can also be taken from those expensive hose >> clamps >>>>> that >>>>>> they sell at hydraulic shops. They are also stainless. >>>>>> >>>>>> Also, Jim C, what is a 'boot cowl'? >>>>>> >>>>>> Bill Newkirk >>>>>> W - 8 1/2 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>> From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> >>>>>> To: >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2002 7:57 PM >>>>>> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: panel and fuel tank was re: hot > steel >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement" >>>>>> <168x@merr.com> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Bill, They make a strap bolt just for fuel tank straps. I buy > them >>> for >>>>>> about >>>>>>> $2-3 each from the hardware vender at OSH. Forget the name, he is >> the >>>>> one >>>>>>> with lots of stuff in a big tent. Also sells cowhides. Someone > here >>>> will >>>>>>> come up with his name, from Wichita area. It is a three inch tee >>> bolt. >>>>> you >>>>>>> put a hole in your strap, then bend the short end around and > either >>>> weld >>>>>> or >>>>>>> rivet to itself. >>>>>>> Make your tank 12" from the floor and pound a sump [big dent > about >>> 1/2" >>>>>>> deep, 6-7" diameter] with a outlet welded in. start bending the >> tank >>>>>>> gradually up towards the inst. panel within 2-3" from the rear > edge >>> of >>>>> the >>>>>>> sump. Reason being, if the tank is flat beyond the fuel pickup, >> fuel >>>>> runs >>>>>>> towards the rear of the tank and pulls fuel out of and away from >> the >>>>>> pickup. >>>>>>> This happens when take off is attempted with low fuel, 6-7 > gallons >> or >>>>> so. >>>>>>> Make the tank same width, don't try to taper to match the > fuselage >>>>>>> dimension. Give yourself no less than 1/2" clearance on each > side, >>> they >>>>>> seem >>>>>>> to grow during construction and welding. You might have to cut > off >>> the >>>>>> upper >>>>>>> corners in the front as the engine mount bolts may hit. Put the >> vent >>> in >>>>>> the >>>>>>> filler neck. Use a short rubber hose to connect filler cap assy. > to >>>>> filler >>>>>>> neck. Fuel proof hose can be bought at NAPA store. Use a > mechanical >>>> fuel >>>>>>> gauge sender that measures ohms to the electric guage. Mount the >>> sender >>>>> in >>>>>>> the top of the tank, make sure it clears the center baffle. I > have >>> had >>>>>> three >>>>>>> probe type senders and they are junk as far as I am concerned. >>>> Stainless >>>>>>> makes a nice fuel tank strap but another is steel strapping used >> to >>>>> crate >>>>>>> things. Just about any dumpster at a manufacturing plant has lots >> of >>>> it. >>>>>>> Jim >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>> From: "Eric Schlanser" >>>>>>> To: >>>>>>> Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: panel and fuel tank was re: hot steel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Eric Schlanser >>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Group, This thread is too good to file under "hot steel". I > just >>>>> needed >>>>>> to >>>>>>> re-enter it so it can be located later in an archive search under >>>> "panel >>>>>> and >>>>>>> fuel tank". Thanks. Eric >>>>>>>> From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: hot steel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement" >>>>>>> <168x@merr.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Richard, Fred is right on hinging, forget it. Put two screws on >>> each >>>>>> side, >>>>>>>> remove and the panel is loose. Mount the radio trays so they > stay >>>> with >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> panel. Curve the top of the panel at least one inch to prevent >> oil >>>>>> canning >>>>>>>> of the top panel. >>>>>>>> .025 is to heavy for the firewall. I like to use 28 gauge, > about >>>> .015. >>>>>>> Wicks >>>>>>>> or Spruce have SS in about .017. If you want, 28 gauge > galvanized >>> can >>>>> be >>>>>>>> bought locally at a sheet metal shop, it works fine but not as >>>> pretty. >>>>>>>> The alum side panels, roll the bottoms around the longerons 1 >> 1/2" >>>> and >>>>>>>> fasten to the lower boot cowl. Sandwich the side windows > between >>> the >>>>>> side >>>>>>>> boot cowl and the top instrument panel with screws going into > the >>>>>>> instrument >>>>>>>> top panel. I make the top panel in three pieces, the sides > about >>> six >>>>>>> inches >>>>>>>> wide. >>>>>>>> 1/2" tube is fine for the W/S frame but use .028 or .035. Weld >> tabs >>>> to >>>>>>> screw >>>>>>>> the W/S to. I will measure how high my panel is and distance > from >>> the >>>>>>> floor >>>>>>>> when I go to the airport today. Jim >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Richard Lamb" >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: hot steel >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> He never lets me have any fun :( >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I still like that cross tube tho. >>>>>>>>> It's even a handy spot to secure a (hurrump) non-folding > panel. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'll tell ya what, tho. >>>>>>>>> Jim commented about making the tank easily removable. >>>>>>>>> I'll take that one at face value. >>>>>>>>> The only thing under the tank are the mount straps >>>>>>>>> and the fuel line. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've had the front cabin side panels clecoed on. >>>>>>>>> Trying to get a feel for how to get everything flush and >>>>>>>>> rolled around to the bottom. That's interesting. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I need a firewall material, and, of course, want stainless. >>>>>>>>> The .025 stuff I've seem locally is twice too heavy. >>>>>>>>> Any alternate source for .017?? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This weekend, I bent the windshield frame for the parasol. >>>>>>>>> 1/2" .040 4130 tube. Came out pretty nice. I think I >>>>>>>>> see how to form the winshield frame for the TW now. >>>>>>>>> By comparison, that will be easy. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Door skins and windows and frames, oh my! >>>>>>>>> Especially the back window. >>>>>>>>> I think I see now why the long pointy one is so popular! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Fred Weaver wrote: >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Yo Richard... You really don't need the hinged panel. > Hinging >>> the >>>>>>> panel >>>>>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> just a lot more engineering and you will find out with > time, >>> that >>>>>> you >>>>>>>> don't >>>>>>>>>> need it at all. Simplify your design by screwing it >> together... >>>>> It's >>>>>>>> not >>>>>>>>>> like you are loading the thing with GPS, Autopilot, >>>> Radios(plural) >>>>>> etc >>>>>>>>>> etc... The stuff you install will be fairly accessible thru >> the >>>>> top >>>>>>>> cover >>>>>>>>>> of the dash. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Once the plane flies, you will be spending lots of time in >> the >>>> air >>>>>> and >>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>>> won't be doinking around pivoting your panel down for >>>> maintenance. >>>>>>>>>> Honest..... >>>>>>>>>> Weav >>>>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>>>> From: Richard Lamb >>>>>>>>>> To: >>>>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: hot steel >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Thanks Jim. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Actually, that bottom tube looks pretty handy. >>>>>>>>>>> It's located back three inches from the door frame tube. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> I have moved the panel aft. >>>>>>>>>>> The panel itself is back 5 or 6 inches from the door > frame. >>>>>>>>>>> There's no obstructions at all for the top row, and the >> cross >>>>>>>>>>> tube is 8 or 9 inches (?) in front of the panel. >>>>>>>>>>> Think that will be enough room? >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Some of those panel drawing I did think that lower cross >> tube >>>>>>>>>>> would be exactly the right spot to hinge mount an >> instrument >>>>>> panel. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> The throttle at high center, and the radios in the top of >> the >>>>>> panel >>>>>>>>>>> would have to be mounted permenately. But the rest of the >>> panel >>>>>>>>>>> could easily swing down. Having the pivot point back > behind >>> the >>>>>>>>>>> panel that far lets all the gauges swing clear without >>> hitting >>>>>>>>>>> anything. The Tailwind panel is fairly small, and the >> floors >>>>>>>>>>> fairly comfortable without a stick sticking in my back. >>>>>>>>>>> Still, it's an intriguing idea. >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> You know better than most people how far back behind that >>> thing >>>>>>>>>>> you have to go sometimes... >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> Jim and Donna Clement wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna >>> Clement" >>>>>>>>>> <168x@merr.com> >>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Richard, Cut the bottom tube out also, then you can > make >>> the >>>>>> panel >>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>>> your >>>>>>>>>>>> liking. Bring it back enough to get things in with out >>>> hitting >>>>>> the >>>>>>>> fuel >>>>>>>>>>>> tank. Jim >>>>>>>> Subject: Fw: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Dallas Benham" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Richard and Jim: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Below is from my files on previous conversations about Tailwind >>>>>>> construction. >>>>>>>> Hope it helps. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Dallas >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Rick and Cindy" >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rick and Cindy >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> JohnD: Made some measurements of N393RC, floor (1/4" ply) to >>> bottom >>>>> of >>>>>>> fuel tank >>>>>>>>> (29.8 gal) is 12", floor to bottom of panel is 20 3/4", panel >> is >>> 8 >>>>>> 1/8" >>>>>>> tall, >>>>>>>>> top of panel to bottom of front spar carry through is 8 3/8". >>>>>>>>> Rick N393RC >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> john wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I'm looking for some input on the panel. I measured > Clements >>>> panel >>>>>> at >>>>>>>>>> Oshkosh and it measured 19 1/2" to the bottom, 10 1/2" of >>> panel, >>>>>> which >>>>>>>>>> leaves 7" from the top of the panel, is this about what you >>>>> fellows >>>>>>> have >>>>>>>>>> come up with in your W-10s'? Clements fuel tank measured 10 >>> 1/2" >>>>>> above >>>>>>> the >>>>>>>>>> floor. I must have big feet because my shoes measure 12"s', >>> What >>>>> is >>>>>>>>>> everyone doing about the distance from the floor to the > tank? >>>>>>> Thankyou. >>>>>>>>>> JohnD >>>>>>>> From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement" >>>>>>> <168x@merr.com> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Looks about right, for sure go with the 12" floor to bottom of >> tank >>>>>>> height. >>>>>>>> Jim >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>>>>> From: "Dallas Benham" >>>>>>>> Subject: Fw: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Dallas Benham" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> From: "Louis Owen" >>>>>>>> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: panel and fuel tank >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Louis Owen" >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> My floor to tank bottom was 13". I have rather big feet. >>>>>>>> Lou Owen >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> --------------------------------- >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:23:39 AM PST US From: Eric Schlanser Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Re: W-8 Elevators --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Eric Schlanser Look out Bill. Fred has an attitude toward alternative engines. If you mention one to him be prepared for a lecture about how they won't work. Eric- been there From: "Bill newkirk" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: W-8 Elevators --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Bill newkirk" Fred, Thanks for your thoughts. I have 2 engines; a 2500 Subaru and an o-235. I have good and not-so-good feelings about each. The fuselage is quite complete and has outstanding workmanship - it supposedly was built by a shop in Santa Maria. Because of the good quality, I have some reluctance to screw it up by "improving" it. I have a TIG welder and am an okay welder. Jerry Hey told me that I should fly my Murphy Rebel to Jackson and beg you for a ride. Perhaps after the new year. I'm considering your recommendations. Thanks again. Bill Newkirk --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:04 AM PST US From: USAviator1@aol.com Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: Re: W-8 Elevators --> Tailwind-List message posted by: USAviator1@aol.com Hey Eric! Haven't heard much from you lately. How are things going? I may be making a trip your way in the near future. I need to look at your project to see how things go together. Have a nice Christmas. Steve - in Michigan ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:15:07 AM PST US From: "flamini2" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: Re: W-8 Elevators --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "flamini2" Steve and Eric both; How are the Tailwinds coming along? Please give us a report. Paul Baron bought one and is from your side of the lake. Merry Christmas, happy holidays to all. Dennis in Chicago do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: Re: W-8 Elevators > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: USAviator1@aol.com > > Hey Eric! Haven't heard much from you lately. How are things going? I may > be making a trip your way in the near future. I need to look at your project > to see how things go together. > > Have a nice Christmas. > > Steve - in Michigan > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:29:11 AM PST US From: USAviator1@aol.com Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: Re: W-8 Elevators --> Tailwind-List message posted by: USAviator1@aol.com Hi Dennis! Work on my Tailwind has been kinda slow now that the wx is cold. I have to heat my garage before I can do anything. I have been welding on the fuselage now for number of weeks, seems it is hard to find time anymore. You can see my progress at the YAHOO Tailwind web site. I have a photo album there. Nice to hear from you again and hope to see you at OSHKOSH if not sooner. Merry Christmas to all. Steve -in Michigan ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:40 AM PST US Subject: Tailwind-List: Alternative Engines. From: Fred Weaver --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Fred Weaver Now come on Eric.... I'm generally a good sport about that subject. We simply didn't agree that the Buick you wanted to install was the best idea for a "reliable, trouble free" engine. It all comes down to two kinds of builders.. the ones that want to actually fly and enjoy their airplane and the ones that want to tinker, repair, fix, mend etc.. instead of fly. I'm not knocking any other powerplants, just the Buick/Olds thing. Jerry Hey is working on the Rotary setup and it's looking good. I hope it works so others can give it a whirl too. The Subaru has had some hiccups in Glastars and others but I'm hopeful that someone will be succesful and finish the recipe. My attitude or opinion is straightforward enough for even a dental guy to understand. If you want to fly to Wisconsin from California or to Oregon from Florida, you would be wiser to choose a Lycoming to sit up front. Then you actually arrive when you thought you would. Weav On Monday, December 23, 2002, at 07:23 AM, Eric Schlanser wrote: > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Eric Schlanser > > > > Look out Bill. Fred has an attitude toward alternative engines. If you > mention one to him be prepared for a lecture about how they won't work. > Eric- been there > From: "Bill newkirk" > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: W-8 Elevators > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Bill newkirk" > > Fred, Thanks for your thoughts. > I have 2 engines; a 2500 Subaru and an o-235. I have good and > not-so-good > feelings about each. The fuselage is quite complete and has outstanding > workmanship - it supposedly was built by a shop in Santa Maria. Because > of > the good quality, I have some reluctance to screw it up by "improving" > it. > I have a TIG welder and am an okay welder. Jerry Hey told me that I > should > fly my Murphy Rebel to Jackson and beg you for a ride. Perhaps after the > new year. > I'm considering your recommendations. Thanks again. > > Bill Newkirk > > > --------------------------------- > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:37:44 AM PST US From: George Turner Subject: Tailwind-List: Location --> Tailwind-List message posted by: George Turner It's really great when you guys write your location at the bottom of your emails for everyone to know where you live each time. George......Phoenix, Az. --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:50:49 PM PST US From: "David Stroud" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Alternative Engines. --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "David Stroud" I'll risk throwing my 2 cents ( actually about 3.1 cents CDN) on this subject. I put about 280 hours on a Subaru engine with two types of belt redrives, then went to a Corvair with a Rinker style gearbox for 28 hours before a minor hiccup and a Lyc. was dropped in my lap for a price no sane man would refuse. I've never felt more "comfortable" flying my plane ever before. I don't think it is the engine that causes the problems, but the necessary redrive they must employ to slow the prop down. Having said that, I've never seen Wittman's upside down Buick V8 conversion but, since no redrive is involved, I can't imagine what the short comings might be. Dual electronic ignition is a cinch and quite reliable. Dave Stroud L 16 B replica (Christavia) C-FDWS Ottawa, Canada ----- Original Message ----- From: "Fred Weaver" Subject: Tailwind-List: Alternative Engines. > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Fred Weaver > > Now come on Eric.... I'm generally a good sport about that subject. We > simply didn't agree that the Buick you wanted to install was the best > idea for a "reliable, trouble free" engine. It all comes down to two > kinds of builders.. the ones that want to actually fly and enjoy their > airplane and the ones that want to tinker, repair, fix, mend etc.. > instead of fly. I'm not knocking any other powerplants, just the > Buick/Olds thing. > Jerry Hey is working on the Rotary setup and it's looking good. I hope > it works so others can give it a whirl too. The Subaru has had some > hiccups in Glastars and others but I'm hopeful that someone will be > succesful and finish the recipe. > My attitude or opinion is straightforward enough for even a dental guy > to understand. If you want to fly to Wisconsin from California or to > Oregon from Florida, you would be wiser to choose a Lycoming to sit up > front. Then you actually arrive when you thought you would. > Weav > On Monday, December 23, 2002, at 07:23 AM, Eric Schlanser wrote: > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Eric Schlanser > > > > > > > > Look out Bill. Fred has an attitude toward alternative engines. If you > > mention one to him be prepared for a lecture about how they won't work. > > Eric- been there > > From: "Bill newkirk" > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: W-8 Elevators > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Bill newkirk" > > > > Fred, Thanks for your thoughts. > > I have 2 engines; a 2500 Subaru and an o-235. I have good and > > not-so-good > > feelings about each. The fuselage is quite complete and has outstanding > > workmanship - it supposedly was built by a shop in Santa Maria. Because > > of > > the good quality, I have some reluctance to screw it up by "improving" > > it. > > I have a TIG welder and am an okay welder. Jerry Hey told me that I > > should > > fly my Murphy Rebel to Jackson and beg you for a ride. Perhaps after the > > new year. > > I'm considering your recommendations. Thanks again. > > > > Bill Newkirk > > > > > > --------------------------------- > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:16:46 PM PST US From: "Bob Estelle Danner" Subject: Tailwind-List: Bob Danner's phone # --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Bob Estelle Danner" Hi Fred thanks for your kind words! I think I will just go to New Orleans tomorrow! Opps! Chirstmas tomorrow night have to stay home & see what Mrs. santa will bring me!!! Call me anytime. # is: 608 522 5929 Bob Danner ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:21 PM PST US From: Davstamsta@aol.com Subject: Tailwind-List: Remote Oil Filter --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Davstamsta@aol.com All, I've been working on the engine. I have Jerry Hey's Dynofocal engine mount. Seems real tight to the fire wall. I have an o-320 E2D that came with a spin on oil filter. It does not have clearance to the firewall. I also got an airwolf remote, but the hose fittings run into the clearance problem as well. What should I do: 1. Put on an old oil screen? (Does anyone have one?) 2. Build a new engine mount? 3. Remake the gas tank and firewall so I have a pocket. 4. ???? Happy Holidays! David Stamsta Michigan ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:35:22 PM PST US From: Davstamsta@aol.com Subject: Tailwind-List: Push-to-talk --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Davstamsta@aol.com Hi Gang, All the talk on the panel recently was perfect timing. I've cut all the holes, and have begun wiring. Where have you put the push to talk? I'm thinking of welding a little tab on the stick. Any thoughts? My panel comes forward about 7 inches. I've got a big gas tank. Also, I just welded a battery support behind the left seat. Just two parallel 5/8x.035 going from the longeron to the diagonal. How have other guys done it? Happy holidays to all! David Stamsta N917WT(sent in as first choice.) Michigan ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:45 PM PST US From: "Dallas Benham" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Remote Oil Filter --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Dallas Benham" Dave : Install a 90 degree oilfilter adapter from B&C specialties. Here is their website. http://www.bandcspecialty.com/ Dallas 160TW (res) southern Indiana ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 09:40:26 PM PST US Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Push-to-talk From: Fred Weaver --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Fred Weaver A couple of things Dave.... You can easily mount the push to talk switch in the opening of the stick tube. It's much easier to operate when in the landing configuration and trying to fly and talk at the same time. You can also mount a remote for both you and your passenger on the dash in case the one in the stick takes a dive. About the location of your Battery.... The battery should be mounted on the right hand side of the plane behind the passenger seat. Reason? Because the Tailwind flies so good, you need to offset pilot weight whenever you can to obtain lateral trim when flying solo. If it's not a big deal to move it over now, I suggest you consider it. Have fun, Weav On Monday, December 23, 2002, at 08:34 PM, Davstamsta@aol.com wrote: > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Davstamsta@aol.com > > Hi Gang, > All the talk on the panel recently was perfect timing. I've cut all the > holes, and have begun wiring. Where have you put the push to talk? I'm > thinking of welding a little tab on the stick. Any thoughts? > > My panel comes forward about 7 inches. I've got a big gas tank. > > Also, I just welded a battery support behind the left seat. Just two > parallel > 5/8x.035 going from the longeron to the diagonal. How have other guys > done it? > > Happy holidays to all! > David Stamsta N917WT(sent in as first choice.) > Michigan > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:33:09 PM PST US From: Richard Lamb Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Push-to-talk --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb I guess this one is out of the question? > http://www.flash.net/~lamb01/joystick.gif my parasol's stick. Last night I covered the fin. Figured I start with the hard part. I haven't covered anything in a while and felt like I was all thumbs for a while. But it came out pretty nice. Tonight, I put the tapes on the fin. Imagine shrinking a 3" wide non-biased tape around a 1" tube bent on a 4" radius. Leading edge frame tubes. Mom called and asked what I was doing. Mom's are like that. I told her, "Ironing the airplane". :) Davstamsta@aol.com wrote: > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Davstamsta@aol.com > > Hi Gang, > All the talk on the panel recently was perfect timing. I've cut all the > holes, and have begun wiring. Where have you put the push to talk? I'm > thinking of welding a little tab on the stick. Any thoughts? > > My panel comes forward about 7 inches. I've got a big gas tank. > > Also, I just welded a battery support behind the left seat. Just two parallel > 5/8x.035 going from the longeron to the diagonal. How have other guys done it? > > Happy holidays to all! > David Stamsta N917WT(sent in as first choice.) > Michigan >