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1. 10:12 AM - Electrical Wire (Eric Schlanser)
2. 10:29 AM - Re: Electrical Wire (Christian Bobka)
3. 10:34 AM - Re: Electrical Wire (Jim and Donna Clement)
4. 10:45 AM - Re: Electrical Wire (Boud Kuenen)
5. 11:27 AM - Re: Electrical Wire (Fred Weaver)
6. 11:48 AM - TW Times (Tom McGehee)
7. 12:15 PM - Re: Electrical Wire (Brian Alley)
8. 01:20 PM - Cable (john)
9. 01:24 PM - fuel hose (john)
10. 01:47 PM - Re: fuel hose (Boud Kuenen)
11. 01:53 PM - Re: Cable (Jim and Donna Clement)
12. 01:55 PM - Re: fuel hose (Jim and Donna Clement)
13. 02:06 PM - Re: fuel hose (Christian Bobka)
14. 07:10 PM - Fun flight (Rick and Cindy)
15. 09:12 PM - Re: Fun flight (Fred Weaver)
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Eric Schlanser <eschlanser@yahoo.com>
Situation: Getting ready to wire up the wood wings for wing tip lights. Bought
some 18 gauge electrical wire from Wicks. It is covered with white insulating
coating. I would like to run a black wire for the ground wire parallel to the
white power wire. Wicks doesn't sell black a/c wire.
Question: Does the ground wire have to be genuine a/c wire? Where do you buy it?
Can it be black hardware store or Radio Shack wire? Do you just use white and
lable each end? What to do? Eric - in Michigan
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
I think radio shack has heat shrink tubing in colors available in a
multicolored variety pack. Just take a 1/4" piece and sleeve it over each
end of the wire so you can ID it. You can use a little longer length and
then write on it if you want. You can write on it before or after
shrinking.
My Cessna is all done in white. The wire number that coincides with the
wiring diagram is burned into the insulation every few feet. It is still
difficult to deal with. Your question is much valid.
Chris Bobka
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From: owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Eric
Schlanser
Subject: Tailwind-List: Electrical Wire
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Eric Schlanser <eschlanser@yahoo.com>
Situation: Getting ready to wire up the wood wings for wing tip lights.
Bought some 18 gauge electrical wire from Wicks. It is covered with white
insulating coating. I would like to run a black wire for the ground wire
parallel to the white power wire. Wicks doesn't sell black a/c wire.
Question: Does the ground wire have to be genuine a/c wire? Where do you buy
it? Can it be black hardware store or Radio Shack wire? Do you just use
white and lable each end? What to do? Eric - in Michigan
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical Wire |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
Use the white and label it, the automotive wire insulation melts and burns.
You can buy stick on labels at Radio Shack and other electric places. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Schlanser" <eschlanser@yahoo.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Electrical Wire
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Eric Schlanser <eschlanser@yahoo.com>
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> Situation: Getting ready to wire up the wood wings for wing tip lights.
Bought some 18 gauge electrical wire from Wicks. It is covered with white
insulating coating. I would like to run a black wire for the ground wire
parallel to the white power wire. Wicks doesn't sell black a/c wire.
>
> Question: Does the ground wire have to be genuine a/c wire? Where do you
buy it? Can it be black hardware store or Radio Shack wire? Do you just use
white and lable each end? What to do? Eric - in Michigan
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical Wire |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Boud Kuenen" <bkuenen@horizonaero.com>
Eric,
Don't use cheap wire! That stuff is typically vinyl insulated and does not
stand up long term to general atmospheric contaminants (especially ozone).
It will crack, let moisture in, and cause all kinds of problems. The
easiest thing to do is to mark the wire at both ends with pieces of
different color tapes. Even if you loose the tapes after the wings are
closed, it is an easy task to "ring" them with an ohm meter.
Boud Kuenen
NX888WT
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Schlanser" <eschlanser@yahoo.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Electrical Wire
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Eric Schlanser <eschlanser@yahoo.com>
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> Situation: Getting ready to wire up the wood wings for wing tip lights.
Bought some 18 gauge electrical wire from Wicks. It is covered with white
insulating coating. I would like to run a black wire for the ground wire
parallel to the white power wire. Wicks doesn't sell black a/c wire.
>
> Question: Does the ground wire have to be genuine a/c wire? Where do you
buy it? Can it be black hardware store or Radio Shack wire? Do you just use
white and lable each end? What to do? Eric - in Michigan
>
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical Wire |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@flash.net>
Eric.... run the white wire everywhere. Just code the ends for polarity and
signals...
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "Eric Schlanser" <eschlanser@yahoo.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Electrical Wire
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Eric Schlanser <eschlanser@yahoo.com>
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> Situation: Getting ready to wire up the wood wings for wing tip lights.
Bought some 18 gauge electrical wire from Wicks. It is covered with white
insulating coating. I would like to run a black wire for the ground wire
parallel to the white power wire. Wicks doesn't sell black a/c wire.
>
> Question: Does the ground wire have to be genuine a/c wire? Where do you
buy it? Can it be black hardware store or Radio Shack wire? Do you just use
white and lable each end? What to do? Eric - in Michigan
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Tom McGehee" <valor@gbronline.com>
Hi Jerry,
We got our TW Times today! I usually skim through it before Tommy gets home and
thoroughly enjoyed the "Buttercup Page"..especially Laura Luce's viewpoint;
nice to hear from the wives :-)
Debbie McGehee
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| Subject: | Re: Electrical Wire |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Brian Alley <n320wt@yahoo.com>
Please dont even consider any other type wire. I've
been in aircraft avionics all my life (USAF&ANG) and
have seen first hand what electrical fires can do. Mil
spec wire is as important as mil spec fabric, tubing
and spar stock. Any electrical supply store will have
labeling materials as well as colored heat shrink
tubing.
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BRIAN ALLEY (BKA)
Even if you're on the right track, you'll get run over if you just sit there.
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
Jim; How many cable guides or fairleads do you use from behind the seat
area to the rudder? On cable the catalog states that 3/32" cable is good
for nearly 1000# ( lets see here, if each side is good for 1000#, I may not
survive the crash to see if my feet went through the firewall when the
cables broke) is the 3/32" a good choice for the rudder cables? An ounce
saved is performance gained, but not at the exchange of safety. JohnD
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
What are you fellows using for hose to connect the fuel cap to the tank? I
don't see any 2" hose listed in the aircraft catalogs. JohnD
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Boud Kuenen" <bkuenen@horizonaero.com>
John,
Use the fuel hose that they make for trucks tanks, not radiator hose. It's
called EPDM (ethylene-propylene-diene-monomer). This stuff costs about
$15/foot. It is not effected by any of the additives they put in car gas,
(MTBE, ethynol, methynol, etc). In lieu of this, use something made of
Buna-N (nitrile rubber) or polysulfide rubber.
Boud Kuenen NX888WT
----- Original Message -----
From: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.netof
Subject: Tailwind-List: fuel hose
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
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> What are you fellows using for hose to connect the fuel cap to the tank?
I
> don't see any 2" hose listed in the aircraft catalogs. JohnD
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
One guide in the corner of the truss behind the seat, another low and near
the front door post. In the rear, a piece of 3/8" tubing brazed to the lower
longeron with a slight bend to line up with the rudder horn. This tube is
about 6" long. My rudder horn is mounted at the very bottom of the rudder
and also steers the tailwheel. You can also use 3/8" tube for the other
guides. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Cable
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
>
> Jim; How many cable guides or fairleads do you use from behind the seat
> area to the rudder? On cable the catalog states that 3/32" cable is good
> for nearly 1000# ( lets see here, if each side is good for 1000#, I may
not
> survive the crash to see if my feet went through the firewall when the
> cables broke) is the 3/32" a good choice for the rudder cables? An ounce
> saved is performance gained, but not at the exchange of safety. JohnD
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
I get mine from the NAPA store. It is quite stiff and is any type fuel
proof. About $10.00 a foot.
----- Original Message -----
From: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: fuel hose
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
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> What are you fellows using for hose to connect the fuel cap to the tank?
I
> don't see any 2" hose listed in the aircraft catalogs. JohnD
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
The absolute cheapest place to get mil spec wire and other stuff is the
following:
SEA Wire and Cable
1 800 633 7210
or
http://www.sea-wire.com/
Time and again they beat out everybody else and to my knowledge they have no
minimum. Jim Wier from RST Electronics and Kit Planes columnist uses this
source.
chris bobka
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Boud
Kuenen
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: fuel hose
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Boud Kuenen" <bkuenen@horizonaero.com>
John,
Use the fuel hose that they make for trucks tanks, not radiator hose. It's
called EPDM (ethylene-propylene-diene-monomer). This stuff costs about
$15/foot. It is not effected by any of the additives they put in car gas,
(MTBE, ethynol, methynol, etc). In lieu of this, use something made of
Buna-N (nitrile rubber) or polysulfide rubber.
Boud Kuenen NX888WT
----- Original Message -----
From: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.netof
Subject: Tailwind-List: fuel hose
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
>
> What are you fellows using for hose to connect the fuel cap to the tank?
I
> don't see any 2" hose listed in the aircraft catalogs. JohnD
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rick and Cindy <rcaviate@ne.infi.net>
You can put this in the "I've always wanted to do that" category!
The weather FINALLY improved and we were able to go flying today. I'm
based about 10 miles south of Ft. Knox, quite a bit of chopper traffic
between Knox and Ft. Cambell.
Took off and heard over the radio "Elizabethtown traffic, Army Apache
blah blah blah 5 miles north transitioning the area 2500 ft" or some
such. Racked her around and flew towards him, flew past him then hard
around to come up beside him. Keyed up and told him I'd pass him on his
right and he acknowledged.
He might have been doing 140mph, we were doing 200 and waved as we
passed him. About 20 seconds passed, he keyed his mic and said "Hey,
what do you guys have in that thing, anyway?!"
My buddy and I could barely fly for laughing our asses off!!
I've ALWAYS wanted to screw with those guys a little bit.
Rick N241SW
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Fred Weaver <Mytyweav@flash.net>
YAHOOOOO!!!!! That's just the GREATEST!!! And you weren't even a
securtiy threat...hahahhaha...
Weav
On Thursday, January 30, 2003, at 07:05 PM, Rick and Cindy wrote:
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rick and Cindy
> <rcaviate@ne.infi.net>
>
> You can put this in the "I've always wanted to do that" category!
>
> The weather FINALLY improved and we were able to go flying today. I'm
> based about 10 miles south of Ft. Knox, quite a bit of chopper traffic
> between Knox and Ft. Cambell.
>
> Took off and heard over the radio "Elizabethtown traffic, Army Apache
> blah blah blah 5 miles north transitioning the area 2500 ft" or some
> such. Racked her around and flew towards him, flew past him then hard
> around to come up beside him. Keyed up and told him I'd pass him on his
> right and he acknowledged.
>
> He might have been doing 140mph, we were doing 200 and waved as we
> passed him. About 20 seconds passed, he keyed his mic and said "Hey,
> what do you guys have in that thing, anyway?!"
>
> My buddy and I could barely fly for laughing our asses off!!
>
> I've ALWAYS wanted to screw with those guys a little bit.
>
> Rick N241SW
>
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