---------------------------------------------------------- Tailwind-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 03/28/03: 3 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:23 AM - Re: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection (Austerman, Ben) 2. 06:52 AM - Re: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection (Jim and Donna Clement) 3. 02:41 PM - Re: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection (James Connell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:23:25 AM PST US From: "Austerman, Ben" Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Austerman, Ben" I raised the 5/8" vertical tubes at the fire wall 1" (station 0) to alleviate the need for the 1" long little stubs at each corner were the 3/8" bow connects. (The bow that spans the width of the firewall) I plan to take a picture this weekend and post on Yahoo on Monday. Ben -----Original Message----- From: Jim and Donna Clement [SMTP:168x@merr.com] Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:55 PM To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> The side bows are flush with the cross 5/8" tube. The center bow is 2 1/2" higher in the center at the firewall. Ben raised his side bows up one inch at the front therefore making the center bow 3 1/2" above the 5/8" cross tube. This makes for a better slope of the windshield. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill newkirk" To: Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Bill newkirk" > > Jim; > I am refering to the side bows. > > Bill Newkirk > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> > To: > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement" > <168x@merr.com> > > > > Bill, Are you talking the center windshield bow, the side bows or the bow > > that crosses over the firewall side to side? > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Bill newkirk" > > To: > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection > > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Bill newkirk" > > > > > > Jim, > > > I did not explain myself well. I meant to refer to the tube at the edge > > of > > > the windshield that goes up toward the roof. > > > > > > Thanks, > > > Bill Newkirk > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> > > > To: > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling > intersection > > > > > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement" > > > <168x@merr.com> > > > > > > > > Bill, If the firewall is like the plans, it is a 2 1/2" raise from the > > > 5/8" > > > > cross tube. If you raise the firewall 1" on each side it is 3 1/2" > raise > > > > from the cross tube. Measured at the center. Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Bill newkirk" > > > > To: > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling > > intersection > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Bill newkirk" > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim; > > > > > Do you mean 3 1/2" where the perpendicular support is in your > photos - > > > the > > > > > one that is midway between the firewall and the front carrythru? > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > Bill Newkirk > > > > > Fresno, CA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> > > > > > To: > > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling > > > intersection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement" > > > > > <168x@merr.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > Ben, just trying to get caught up on my emails. Did you understand > > > what > > > > I > > > > > > explained on the yohoo site? Total above the 5/8 tube should be 3 > > 1/2" > > > > > > including the 1" raise on the sides. Jim > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Austerman, Ben" > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Subject: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling > > intersection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Austerman, Ben" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Clement, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I raised the front of my fuselage 1" like you. Do you remember > how > > > > high > > > > > > and > > > > > > > how far forward the 3/8" bow is in relation to 5/8" top tube at > > the > > > > fire > > > > > > > wall? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:53 AM PST US From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> That is the best way to get the 1" raise if you haven't already built the fuselage. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austerman, Ben" Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Austerman, Ben" > > I raised the 5/8" vertical tubes at the fire wall 1" (station 0) to > alleviate the need for the 1" long little stubs at each corner were the 3/8" > bow connects. (The bow that spans the width of the firewall) > I plan to take a picture this weekend and post on Yahoo on Monday. > > Ben > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim and Donna Clement [SMTP:168x@merr.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:55 PM > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling > intersection > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement" > <168x@merr.com> > > The side bows are flush with the cross 5/8" tube. The center bow is > 2 1/2" > higher in the center at the firewall. Ben raised his side bows up > one inch > at the front therefore making the center bow 3 1/2" above the 5/8" > cross > tube. This makes for a better slope of the windshield. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill newkirk" > To: > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling > intersection > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Bill newkirk" > > > > > Jim; > > I am refering to the side bows. > > > > Bill Newkirk > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> > > To: > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling > intersection > > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement" > > <168x@merr.com> > > > > > > Bill, Are you talking the center windshield bow, the side bows > or the > bow > > > that crosses over the firewall side to side? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bill newkirk" > > > To: > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling > intersection > > > > > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Bill newkirk" > > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > I did not explain myself well. I meant to refer to the tube > at the > edge > > > of > > > > the windshield that goes up toward the roof. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bill Newkirk > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> > > > > To: > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling > > intersection > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement" > > > > <168x@merr.com> > > > > > > > > > > Bill, If the firewall is like the plans, it is a 2 1/2" > raise from > the > > > > 5/8" > > > > > cross tube. If you raise the firewall 1" on each side it is > 3 1/2" > > raise > > > > > from the cross tube. Measured at the center. Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Bill newkirk" > > > > > To: > > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling > > > intersection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Bill newkirk" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim; > > > > > > Do you mean 3 1/2" where the perpendicular support is in > your > > photos - > > > > the > > > > > > one that is midway between the firewall and the front > carrythru? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Bill Newkirk > > > > > > Fresno, CA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & > cowling > > > > intersection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna > Clement" > > > > > > <168x@merr.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ben, just trying to get caught up on my emails. Did you > understand > > > > what > > > > > I > > > > > > > explained on the yohoo site? Total above the 5/8 tube > should be > 3 > > > 1/2" > > > > > > > including the 1" raise on the sides. Jim > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Austerman, Ben" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Subject: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling > > > intersection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Austerman, Ben" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Clement, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I raised the front of my fuselage 1" like you. Do you > remember > > how > > > > > high > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > how far forward the 3/8" bow is in relation to 5/8" > top tube > at > > > the > > > > > fire > > > > > > > > wall? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:41:23 PM PST US From: "James Connell" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "James Connell" Ben! Please do post those details ASAP. This is one of the many fuzzy but also more important TW.details that encourage potential builders to look elsewhere. Regards , Jim Connell ----- Original Message ----- From: "Austerman, Ben" Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling intersection > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Austerman, Ben" > > I raised the 5/8" vertical tubes at the fire wall 1" (station 0) to > alleviate the need for the 1" long little stubs at each corner were the 3/8" > bow connects. (The bow that spans the width of the firewall) > I plan to take a picture this weekend and post on Yahoo on Monday. > > Ben > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim and Donna Clement [SMTP:168x@merr.com] > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 8:55 PM > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling > intersection > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement" > <168x@merr.com> > > The side bows are flush with the cross 5/8" tube. The center bow is > 2 1/2" > higher in the center at the firewall. Ben raised his side bows up > one inch > at the front therefore making the center bow 3 1/2" above the 5/8" > cross > tube. This makes for a better slope of the windshield. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Bill newkirk" > To: > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling > intersection > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Bill newkirk" > > > > > Jim; > > I am refering to the side bows. > > > > Bill Newkirk > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> > > To: > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling > intersection > > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement" > > <168x@merr.com> > > > > > > Bill, Are you talking the center windshield bow, the side bows > or the > bow > > > that crosses over the firewall side to side? > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Bill newkirk" > > > To: > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling > intersection > > > > > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Bill newkirk" > > > > > > > > Jim, > > > > I did not explain myself well. I meant to refer to the tube > at the > edge > > > of > > > > the windshield that goes up toward the roof. > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > Bill Newkirk > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> > > > > To: > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling > > intersection > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement" > > > > <168x@merr.com> > > > > > > > > > > Bill, If the firewall is like the plans, it is a 2 1/2" > raise from > the > > > > 5/8" > > > > > cross tube. If you raise the firewall 1" on each side it is > 3 1/2" > > raise > > > > > from the cross tube. Measured at the center. Jim > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Bill newkirk" > > > > > To: > > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling > > > intersection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Bill newkirk" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim; > > > > > > Do you mean 3 1/2" where the perpendicular support is in > your > > photos - > > > > the > > > > > > one that is midway between the firewall and the front > carrythru? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Bill Newkirk > > > > > > Fresno, CA > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> > > > > > > To: > > > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & > cowling > > > > intersection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna > Clement" > > > > > > <168x@merr.com> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ben, just trying to get caught up on my emails. Did you > understand > > > > what > > > > > I > > > > > > > explained on the yohoo site? Total above the 5/8 tube > should be > 3 > > > 1/2" > > > > > > > including the 1" raise on the sides. Jim > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > > From: "Austerman, Ben" > > > > > > > To: > > > > > > > Subject: Tailwind-List: Front Bow @ windshield & cowling > > > intersection > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Austerman, Ben" > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Jim Clement, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I raised the front of my fuselage 1" like you. Do you > remember > > how > > > > > high > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > > how far forward the 3/8" bow is in relation to 5/8" > top tube > at > > > the > > > > > fire > > > > > > > > wall? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Ben > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >