Today's Message Index:
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1. 12:20 AM - Re: Epoxy opinions (Fred Weaver)
2. 03:49 AM - Re: Epoxy opinions (Rick and Cindy)
3. 05:16 AM - Re: Epoxy opinions (Jim and Donna Clement)
4. 06:27 AM - VIRUS (Chili)
5. 06:38 AM - Re: VIRUS (David Magaw)
6. 06:44 AM - Re: VIRUS (David Magaw)
7. 06:49 AM - Re: Epoxy Opinions (IslPilot@aol.com)
8. 06:52 AM - Re: VIRUS (Dallas Benham)
9. 06:54 AM - Re: VIRUS (George Turner)
10. 07:03 AM - Re: Epoxy opinions (George Turner)
11. 07:26 AM - Re: VIRUS HOAX HOAX (Cy Galley)
12. 07:43 AM - Re: VIRUS HOAX (Cy Galley)
13. 06:13 PM - epoxy (john)
14. 06:26 PM - Re: epoxy (Brian Alley)
15. 10:08 PM - Re: Epoxy opinions (Jim and Donna Clement)
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| Subject: | Re: Epoxy opinions |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@flash.net>
Ted.... West Systems is time proven also and a very user friendly
adhesive...........
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ted Leon" <leondo@bigfoot.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Epoxy opinions
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Ted Leon" <leondo@bigfoot.com>
>
> What's wrong with using T-88. It seems like great stuff
> and time tested.
> Wrong?
> Ted
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <mike_tailwind@att.net>
> To: <Tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Epoxy opinions
>
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: mike_tailwind@att.net
> >
> > I just got a load of spruce from Wicks, got the spars cut and am getting
> ready
> > start gluing wings together.
> >
> > I understand that many Tailwinders are using West System epoxy to sheet
> their
> > wings. I am also planning to do the same. Are you also using West
system
> for
> > general gluing? Do you use the two step method of applying raw epoxy to
> both
> > pieces and then appllying thickened epoxy to one piece before joining?
> What
> > thickening agent(filler) do you use?
> >
> > I have used T-88 to make the ribs. I am debating whether to stick with
> (no
> > pun intended) T-88 for the gneral wing build up, or West. I've never
used
> > West but it sounds like it might soak into the wood more?
> >
> > Thanks in advance for your experiences.
> >
> > Mike Wilson
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Epoxy opinions |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rick and Cindy <rcaviate@ne.infi.net>
Mike: T88 is my personal choice, it's very easy to use with 1:1 noncritical mixing
ratio, ease of mixing very small batches, etc. There is one place in the
construction of the Tailwind where West system has a GREAT advantage, the sheeting
of the top of the wings. No masking and varnishing as in the old days, just paint
the whole inside of the sheet and the tops of the ribs with West and "slap it on
there" as Clement says. I prefer that the West be thickened for the glue that is
applied to the tops of the ribs.
Rick
mike_tailwind@att.net wrote:
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: mike_tailwind@att.net
>
> I just got a load of spruce from Wicks, got the spars cut and am getting ready
> start gluing wings together.
>
> I understand that many Tailwinders are using West System epoxy to sheet their
> wings. I am also planning to do the same. Are you also using West system for
> general gluing? Do you use the two step method of applying raw epoxy to both
> pieces and then appllying thickened epoxy to one piece before joining? What
> thickening agent(filler) do you use?
>
> I have used T-88 to make the ribs. I am debating whether to stick with (no
> pun intended) T-88 for the gneral wing build up, or West. I've never used
> West but it sounds like it might soak into the wood more?
>
> Thanks in advance for your experiences.
>
> Mike Wilson
>
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| Subject: | Re: Epoxy opinions |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
Mike I like the West system. Get the gallon kit and also the calibrated
pumps, it makes mixing simple with no screw ups. It can also be used to coat
the inside of the wing, much better than varnish. Works good for putting on
the 1.4 oz. fiberglass over the plywood. T88 has been around for a long time
and has built a lot of airplanes, other than that I don't know much about
it.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: <mike_tailwind@att.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Epoxy opinions
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: mike_tailwind@att.net
>
> I just got a load of spruce from Wicks, got the spars cut and am getting
ready
> start gluing wings together.
>
> I understand that many Tailwinders are using West System epoxy to sheet
their
> wings. I am also planning to do the same. Are you also using West system
for
> general gluing? Do you use the two step method of applying raw epoxy to
both
> pieces and then appllying thickened epoxy to one piece before joining?
What
> thickening agent(filler) do you use?
>
> I have used T-88 to make the ribs. I am debating whether to stick with
(no
> pun intended) T-88 for the gneral wing build up, or West. I've never used
> West but it sounds like it might soak into the wood more?
>
> Thanks in advance for your experiences.
>
> Mike Wilson
>
>
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<reservations@skyauction.com>, "Patty Chiles" <chiles@cscape.net>,
"Mary McMillan" <MMCMILL@pisd.edu>, <LHARDIS@aol.com>,
"Laura Ardis" <eudoraatpo@yahoo.com>, <joenmary@bluebonnet.net>,
<jaardis@chilitech.com>, "fayeann ardis" <joeannardis@hotmail.com>,
<Cookie0057@aol.com>, <AOPA_ePilot@aopa.org>
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Chili" <RBArdis@chilitech.com>
A virus has been passed to me by a contact. My address book was infected. Since
you are in my address book, there is a good chance that you will find it in
your computer too. The virus ( called jdbgmr.exe) is not detected by Norton
nor Mc-afree anti virus systems. The virus sits quiet for 14 days before damageing
your system. It is sent automatically by messenger and by the address book,
whether or onto you sent Emails to your contacts. Here is how to check for
the virus and how to get rid of it. PLEASE DO THIS!
1. Go to start, then click your "find or search" option
2. In the file folder option type the name...jdbgmgr.exe
3. Be sure you search your C drive and all sub-folders and any other drives that
you may have.
4. Click "find now"
5. The virus has a teddy bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT OPEN IT!!!!!!!!
6. Go to edit (on your tool bar) and choose "select all" to highlight the file
without opening it.
7. Now go to File (on the menu bar) and select DELETE. It will then go to the
recycle bin. Then empty your recycle bin! If you find that you have the virus
you must contact all of the people in your address book!! To do this:
1. Open a new email message
2. Click the icon of the address book next to the "To"
3. Highlight every name and add to BCC
4. Copy this message paste to email and send
Sorry for the inconvenience,
Robert Ardis
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "David Magaw" <dmagaw@att.net>
Before you do this, look up hoaxes. You will probably find this and find
that you made a big mistake following these instructions.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chili" <RBArdis@chilitech.com>
<reservations@skyauction.com>; "Patty Chiles" <chiles@cscape.net>; "Mary
McMillan" <MMCMILL@pisd.edu>; <LHARDIS@aol.com>; "Laura Ardis"
<eudoraatpo@yahoo.com>; <joenmary@bluebonnet.net>; <jaardis@chilitech.com>;
"fayeann ardis" <joeannardis@hotmail.com>; <Cookie0057@aol.com>;
<AOPA_ePilot@aopa.org>
Subject: Tailwind-List: VIRUS
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Chili" <RBArdis@chilitech.com>
>
> A virus has been passed to me by a contact. My address book was infected.
Since you are in my address book, there is a good chance that you will find
it in your computer too. The virus ( called jdbgmr.exe) is not detected by
Norton nor Mc-afree anti virus systems. The virus sits quiet for 14 days
before damageing your system. It is sent automatically by messenger and by
the address book, whether or onto you sent Emails to your contacts. Here is
how to check for the virus and how to get rid of it. PLEASE DO THIS!
> 1. Go to start, then click your "find or search" option
> 2. In the file folder option type the name...jdbgmgr.exe
> 3. Be sure you search your C drive and all sub-folders and any other
drives that you may have.
> 4. Click "find now"
> 5. The virus has a teddy bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT OPEN
IT!!!!!!!!
> 6. Go to edit (on your tool bar) and choose "select all" to highlight the
file without opening it.
> 7. Now go to File (on the menu bar) and select DELETE. It will then go to
the recycle bin. Then empty your recycle bin! If you find that you have
the virus you must contact all of the people in your address book!! To do
this:
> 1. Open a new email message
> 2. Click the icon of the address book next to the "To"
> 3. Highlight every name and add to BCC
> 4. Copy this message paste to email and send
> Sorry for the inconvenience,
>
> Robert Ardis
>
>
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<reservations@skyauction.com>, "Patty Chiles" <chiles@cscape.net>,
"Mary McMillan" <MMCMILL@pisd.edu>, <LHARDIS@aol.com>,
"Laura Ardis" <eudoraatpo@yahoo.com>, <joenmary@bluebonnet.net>,
<jaardis@chilitech.com>, "fayeann ardis" <joeannardis@hotmail.com>,
<Cookie0057@aol.com>, <AOPA_ePilot@aopa.org>
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "David Magaw" <dmagaw@att.net>
See http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/jdbgmgr.exe.file.hoax.html
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chili" <RBArdis@chilitech.com>
<reservations@skyauction.com>; "Patty Chiles" <chiles@cscape.net>; "Mary
McMillan" <MMCMILL@pisd.edu>; <LHARDIS@aol.com>; "Laura Ardis"
<eudoraatpo@yahoo.com>; <joenmary@bluebonnet.net>; <jaardis@chilitech.com>;
"fayeann ardis" <joeannardis@hotmail.com>; <Cookie0057@aol.com>;
<AOPA_ePilot@aopa.org>
Subject: Tailwind-List: VIRUS
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Chili" <RBArdis@chilitech.com>
>
> A virus has been passed to me by a contact. My address book was infected.
Since you are in my address book, there is a good chance that you will find
it in your computer too. The virus ( called jdbgmr.exe) is not detected by
Norton nor Mc-afree anti virus systems. The virus sits quiet for 14 days
before damageing your system. It is sent automatically by messenger and by
the address book, whether or onto you sent Emails to your contacts. Here is
how to check for the virus and how to get rid of it. PLEASE DO THIS!
> 1. Go to start, then click your "find or search" option
> 2. In the file folder option type the name...jdbgmgr.exe
> 3. Be sure you search your C drive and all sub-folders and any other
drives that you may have.
> 4. Click "find now"
> 5. The virus has a teddy bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT OPEN
IT!!!!!!!!
> 6. Go to edit (on your tool bar) and choose "select all" to highlight the
file without opening it.
> 7. Now go to File (on the menu bar) and select DELETE. It will then go to
the recycle bin. Then empty your recycle bin! If you find that you have
the virus you must contact all of the people in your address book!! To do
this:
> 1. Open a new email message
> 2. Click the icon of the address book next to the "To"
> 3. Highlight every name and add to BCC
> 4. Copy this message paste to email and send
> Sorry for the inconvenience,
>
> Robert Ardis
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Epoxy Opinions |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: IslPilot@aol.com
Mike:
I have quite a bit of experience using West and I guess the reason for using
it on aircraft is that it is so easy to obtain with so many marine dealers
having a pretty good inventory and the pumps make it pretty painless.
The West is fairly viscous and making a prime coat is normally not necessary
for Spruce or plywood. Never thin West with acetone to get better
penetration. Many times when working in a vertical environment I will allow
it to start "kicking off" about "two cups" of coffee before bonding the
pieces and have found that I get the same reliable bond. The West does not
penetrate beyond 1/16 in most dense materials. Try some experimental pieces
and you will see its pretty forgiving and holds tenaciously. The best part
about West is the way it "sands" the paper does not load up.
<A HREF="www.westsystem.com">www.westsystem.com will take you to their site to see the full range of
hardeners and fillers.
Paul Baron
Charlevoix, MI
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Dallas Benham" <dlbenham@smithville.net>
Dave: ( and the rest of the group)
You are absolutely correct. It is a hoax and is listed on Symantec's hoax page.
http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/hoax.html I believe everyone should bookmark Symantec's homepage
and use it diligently. That process would stop a lot of headaches and frustrations.
Dallas
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: George Turner <tailwind222@yahoo.com>
It is a hoax. Check the following: http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/jdbgmgr.exe.file.hoax.html George......Phoenix
Chili <RBArdis@chilitech.com> wrote:--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Chili"
A virus has been passed to me by a contact. My address book was infected. Since
you are in my address book, there is a good chance that you will find it in your
computer too. The virus ( called jdbgmr.exe) is not detected by Norton nor
Mc-afree anti virus systems. The virus sits quiet for 14 days before damageing
your system. It is sent automatically by messenger and by the address book,
whether or onto you sent Emails to your contacts. Here is how to check for the
virus and how to get rid of it. PLEASE DO THIS!
1. Go to start, then click your "find or search" option
2. In the file folder option type the name...jdbgmgr.exe
3. Be sure you search your C drive and all sub-folders and any other drives that
you may have.
4. Click "find now"
5. The virus has a teddy bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT OPEN IT!!!!!!!!
6. Go to edit (on your tool bar) and choose "select all" to highlight the file
without opening it.
7. Now go to File (on the menu bar) and select DELETE. It will then go to the recycle
bin. Then empty your recycle bin! If you find that you have the virus you
must contact all of the people in your address book!! To do this:
1. Open a new email message
2. Click the icon of the address book next to the "To"
3. Highlight every name and add to BCC
4. Copy this message paste to email and send
Sorry for the inconvenience,
Robert Ardis
---------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: Epoxy opinions |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: George Turner <tailwind222@yahoo.com>
I liked T 88 but two days after using it I get a severe alergy reaction...my eyes
and face swell up and itch. George
mike_tailwind@att.net wrote:--> Tailwind-List message posted by: mike_tailwind@att.net
I just got a load of spruce from Wicks, got the spars cut and am getting ready
start gluing wings together.
I understand that many Tailwinders are using West System epoxy to sheet their
wings. I am also planning to do the same. Are you also using West system for
general gluing? Do you use the two step method of applying raw epoxy to both
pieces and then appllying thickened epoxy to one piece before joining? What
thickening agent(filler) do you use?
I have used T-88 to make the ribs. I am debating whether to stick with (no
pun intended) T-88 for the gneral wing build up, or West. I've never used
West but it sounds like it might soak into the wood more?
Thanks in advance for your experiences.
Mike Wilson
---------------------------------
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<reservations@skyauction.com>, "Patty Chiles" <chiles@cscape.net>,
"Mary McMillan" <MMCMILL@pisd.edu>, <LHARDIS@aol.com>,
"Laura Ardis" <eudoraatpo@yahoo.com>, <joenmary@bluebonnet.net>,
<jaardis@chilitech.com>, "fayeann ardis" <joeannardis@hotmail.com>,
<Cookie0057@aol.com>, <AOPA_ePilot@aopa.org>
| Subject: | Re: VIRUS HOAX HOAX |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
This file is a legitimate and useful file. Go
----- Original Message -----
From: "Chili" <RBArdis@chilitech.com>
<reservations@skyauction.com>; "Patty Chiles" <chiles@cscape.net>; "Mary
McMillan" <MMCMILL@pisd.edu>; <LHARDIS@aol.com>; "Laura Ardis"
<eudoraatpo@yahoo.com>; <joenmary@bluebonnet.net>; <jaardis@chilitech.com>;
"fayeann ardis" <joeannardis@hotmail.com>; <Cookie0057@aol.com>;
<AOPA_ePilot@aopa.org>
Subject: Tailwind-List: VIRUS
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Chili" <RBArdis@chilitech.com>
>
> A virus has been passed to me by a contact. My address book was infected.
Since you are in my address book, there is a good chance that you will find
it in your computer too. The virus ( called jdbgmr.exe) is not detected by
Norton nor Mc-afree anti virus systems. The virus sits quiet for 14 days
before damageing your system. It is sent automatically by messenger and by
the address book, whether or onto you sent Emails to your contacts. Here is
how to check for the virus and how to get rid of it. PLEASE DO THIS!
> 1. Go to start, then click your "find or search" option
> 2. In the file folder option type the name...jdbgmgr.exe
> 3. Be sure you search your C drive and all sub-folders and any other
drives that you may have.
> 4. Click "find now"
> 5. The virus has a teddy bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT OPEN
IT!!!!!!!!
> 6. Go to edit (on your tool bar) and choose "select all" to highlight the
file without opening it.
> 7. Now go to File (on the menu bar) and select DELETE. It will then go to
the recycle bin. Then empty your recycle bin! If you find that you have
the virus you must contact all of the people in your address book!! To do
this:
> 1. Open a new email message
> 2. Click the icon of the address book next to the "To"
> 3. Highlight every name and add to BCC
> 4. Copy this message paste to email and send
> Sorry for the inconvenience,
>
> Robert Ardis
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
This file is a legitimate and useful file. Go
----- Original Message -----
From: "David Magaw" <dmagaw@att.net>
<reservations@skyauction.com>; "Patty Chiles" <chiles@cscape.net>; "Mary
McMillan" <MMCMILL@pisd.edu>; <LHARDIS@aol.com>; "Laura Ardis"
<eudoraatpo@yahoo.com>; <joenmary@bluebonnet.net>; <jaardis@chilitech.com>;
"fayeann ardis" <joeannardis@hotmail.com>; <Cookie0057@aol.com>;
<AOPA_ePilot@aopa.org>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: VIRUS
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "David Magaw" <dmagaw@att.net>
>
> See http://www.symantec.com/avcenter/venc/data/jdbgmgr.exe.file.hoax.html
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Chili" <RBArdis@chilitech.com>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>; "Robbie McBride" <rmcbride@lcii.net>;
> <reservations@skyauction.com>; "Patty Chiles" <chiles@cscape.net>; "Mary
> McMillan" <MMCMILL@pisd.edu>; <LHARDIS@aol.com>; "Laura Ardis"
> <eudoraatpo@yahoo.com>; <joenmary@bluebonnet.net>;
<jaardis@chilitech.com>;
> "fayeann ardis" <joeannardis@hotmail.com>; <Cookie0057@aol.com>;
> <AOPA_ePilot@aopa.org>
> Subject: Tailwind-List: VIRUS
>
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Chili" <RBArdis@chilitech.com>
> >
> > A virus has been passed to me by a contact. My address book was
infected.
> Since you are in my address book, there is a good chance that you will
find
> it in your computer too. The virus ( called jdbgmr.exe) is not detected
by
> Norton nor Mc-afree anti virus systems. The virus sits quiet for 14 days
> before damageing your system. It is sent automatically by messenger and
by
> the address book, whether or onto you sent Emails to your contacts. Here
is
> how to check for the virus and how to get rid of it. PLEASE DO THIS!
> > 1. Go to start, then click your "find or search" option
> > 2. In the file folder option type the name...jdbgmgr.exe
> > 3. Be sure you search your C drive and all sub-folders and any other
> drives that you may have.
> > 4. Click "find now"
> > 5. The virus has a teddy bear icon with the name jdbgmgr.exe DO NOT OPEN
> IT!!!!!!!!
> > 6. Go to edit (on your tool bar) and choose "select all" to highlight
the
> file without opening it.
> > 7. Now go to File (on the menu bar) and select DELETE. It will then go
to
> the recycle bin. Then empty your recycle bin! If you find that you have
> the virus you must contact all of the people in your address book!! To do
> this:
> > 1. Open a new email message
> > 2. Click the icon of the address book next to the "To"
> > 3. Highlight every name and add to BCC
> > 4. Copy this message paste to email and send
> > Sorry for the inconvenience,
> >
> > Robert Ardis
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
Mike; I'm using the West system to install the wing skins. In their manual
they suggest that you cut up foam paint rollers to spread the West epoxy on
the inside of the skins, this works real well, also apply a light coating on
the ribs. Then I mix the Micro Fibers in a batch real thick and put it on
the ribs, it really stays in place. If you need small batchs, I use an old
pill bottle, mark the 5 to 1 ration on the outside of the bottle, using a
metric scale and marking pen. You can rinse out bottle with denatured
alcohol and reuse it many times. Be sure and purchase the West calibrated
pumps. JohnD
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Brian Alley <n320wt@yahoo.com>
One small point! When using West epoxy, aviod using
waxed paper cups to mix in. Use plastic bathroom cups
instead. Save the residue as evidence of a complete
cure. I used West epoxy on my wing skins and it worked
out great. I would suggest flox to thicken the mixture
instead of micro. Micro has no structural properties
where flox is used extensively as a structural filler
in Lancair and Glasair aircraft.
=====
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
If you decide to put a filler in West epoxy, use the West fillers. The West
numbers are, 403, 404 and 406. all three of these offer the highest
strength for bonding. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@flash.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Epoxy opinions
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@flash.net>
>
> Ted.... West Systems is time proven also and a very user friendly
> adhesive...........
> Weav
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Ted Leon" <leondo@bigfoot.com>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Epoxy opinions
>
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Ted Leon" <leondo@bigfoot.com>
> >
> > What's wrong with using T-88. It seems like great stuff
> > and time tested.
> > Wrong?
> > Ted
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <mike_tailwind@att.net>
> > To: <Tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Tailwind-List: Epoxy opinions
> >
> >
> > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: mike_tailwind@att.net
> > >
> > > I just got a load of spruce from Wicks, got the spars cut and am
getting
> > ready
> > > start gluing wings together.
> > >
> > > I understand that many Tailwinders are using West System epoxy to
sheet
> > their
> > > wings. I am also planning to do the same. Are you also using West
> system
> > for
> > > general gluing? Do you use the two step method of applying raw epoxy
to
> > both
> > > pieces and then appllying thickened epoxy to one piece before joining?
> > What
> > > thickening agent(filler) do you use?
> > >
> > > I have used T-88 to make the ribs. I am debating whether to stick
with
> > (no
> > > pun intended) T-88 for the gneral wing build up, or West. I've never
> used
> > > West but it sounds like it might soak into the wood more?
> > >
> > > Thanks in advance for your experiences.
> > >
> > > Mike Wilson
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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