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1. 07:35 AM - Re: [TailwindForum]Big guys, was: Going very fast (flamini2)
2. 07:54 AM - Re: [TailwindForum] Re: Going very fast (flamini2)
3. 10:34 AM - Re: Re: [TailwindForum] Re: Going very fast (Jim and Donna Clement)
4. 06:03 PM - Altitude & W-10 wing (George Turner)
5. 08:52 PM - Re: Hats and Shirts (Don White)
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| Subject: | Re: [TailwindForum]Big guys, was: Going very fast |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "flamini2" <flamini2@attbi.com>
Ben;
i raced once with 2 persons over 200# and 135# of baggage and 34 gals fuel !!!
My TW was built approx 40" x 40" at the seats by a very tall man and i have yet
to see someone not fit in it, i have cushions under and behind me when i fly
it.
The tradeoff is it goes slower than the skinny ones. i figure about 17% more frontal
area.
Dennis in Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: Ben Baltrusaitis
To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum]Big guys, was: Going very fast
Doesn't a 230 lb. passenger get you way over gross?
Ben
----- Original Message -----
From: David Magaw
To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 06, 2003 9:38 AM
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum]Big guys, was: Going very fast
Raising the bottom of the panel a little for knee room also helps. I have
a standard W-8 fuselage, and my 6'2" son fits in just fine. I have also carried
a 6'3" co-worker who weighed about 230 # in the passenger seat. We were shoulder
to shoulder but we fit reasonably comfortably. I made my stick come under
the leg instead of over like the plans. I had no problem with controls.
Actually it doesn't take much movement of them anyway to make it do what you want.
Dave
N202Q (might have a new engine to mount this week)
----- Original Message -----
From: c141ip
To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Monday, May 05, 2003 6:54 PM
Subject: [TailwindForum] Re: Going very fast
Any folks that are, like me, larger than "average" (6'3" and 195)
and currently flying Tailwinds. I've spoken with Jim C. via email,
he thinks with the 2" extension in the 1st bay of the fuse, along
with the door mod, I should be O.K. I also sat in Richard Lamb's
fuselage (no Jim C mods) over the weekend. It's a tight fit and the
normal control stick configuration will not work, but looks as though
I will fit with a little tweaking. Any folks my size that own
Tailwinds? In the CAFE report, there's mention of a 6'3" test pilot,
that has "minimal leg room", but that's the extent of the "tall"
discussion.
I know I need to find a completed and flying airplane to sit in for
the best answer, but I'm curious in the meantime.
Thanks
Bill
--- In TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com, "tailwind9y" <tailwindbr@c...>
wrote:
> .....Also, the extra width would be appreciated for us bigger
folks. Jim's mods make the head and leg room problem go away for
me.... >
> Bob Rogers
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| Subject: | Re: [TailwindForum] Re: Going very fast |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "flamini2" <flamini2@attbi.com>
Steve Wittman is quoted somewhere as saying;
"don't change anything on the Tailwind until you see me because i have
already tried it"
in line with that is another quote;
"Your food stamps will be stopped effective March 1992 because we received
notice that you passed away. May God bless you. You may reapply if there is
a change in your circumstances." --Department of Social Services,
Greenville, South Carolina
Dennis in Chicago N564DF race #53
----- Original Message -----
From: "gatsby8898" <gatsby@amigo.net>
Subject: [TailwindForum] Re: Going very fast
> Bob, I once considered longer wings for my Tailwind because most
> of my flying is at high altitudes. Beechcraft used longer wings on
> some models of the Bonanza for high altitude flight to keep the angle
> of attack lower. However, The tailwind wing geometry appears not a
> good choice for longer wings. I was concerned in turbulent conditions
> it would add too much leverage outside the lift strut attach point.
> Wittman's W-10 tips have already increased the leverage over the W-8
> design. Or, if one would add the extra bay between the strut and the
> fuselage the angle of the strut to the wing narrows for less strength
> in turbulent conditions.
> If power is increased, I would prefer to use it to fly high
> and/or reduce power for increased economy. I would use the power for
> shorter takeoff and faster climb. Personally, I don't see the need
> for a 250 mph Tailwind when the design is already excellent with 160
> hp.
> RJ
>
>
> --- In TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com, "tailwind9y" <tailwindbr@c...>
> wrote:
> > This is great timing for this discussion. I have been puzzling
> over
> > whether to extend each wing one rib bay and widen the cockpit a few
> > inches. With the extra wing area takeoff, landing, and climb
> should
> > improve as well as make the tricycle gear more acceptable to some.
> It
> > would seem that with the horsepower and weight savings the Mazda
> > promises that this would be a modification that would improve
> things
> > without giving up much of the speed we all like so well. Any
> > thoughts?
> >
> > Bob Rogers
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [TailwindForum] Re: Going very fast |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
I don't think there is a need to extend the wings to fly high. With my last
taildragger, 6168V, we fueled at La Junta, CO. Average passenger weight
over 200 pounds and baggage for a week, we climbed going SW easily to 15,500
feet to stay in smooth air over some high mountains. The TW was still
flying flat without full throttle. 6168V also had the shorter 23 foot wing
instead of the standard 24 foot W10. Stick with the 24 foot.
Skip Lovell, with his W10 O-300 powered, had to climb to 17,000 feet to get
over forest fire smoke near Reno, going home to CA. This was for a short
50-60 mile distance. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: "flamini2" <flamini2@attbi.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Re: Going very fast
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "flamini2" <flamini2@attbi.com>
>
> Steve Wittman is quoted somewhere as saying;
> "don't change anything on the Tailwind until you see me because i have
> already tried it"
> in line with that is another quote;
> "Your food stamps will be stopped effective March 1992 because we received
> notice that you passed away. May God bless you. You may reapply if there
is
> a change in your circumstances." --Department of Social Services,
> Greenville, South Carolina
> Dennis in Chicago N564DF race #53
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "gatsby8898" <gatsby@amigo.net>
> To: <TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: [TailwindForum] Re: Going very fast
>
>
> > Bob, I once considered longer wings for my Tailwind because most
> > of my flying is at high altitudes. Beechcraft used longer wings on
> > some models of the Bonanza for high altitude flight to keep the angle
> > of attack lower. However, The tailwind wing geometry appears not a
> > good choice for longer wings. I was concerned in turbulent conditions
> > it would add too much leverage outside the lift strut attach point.
> > Wittman's W-10 tips have already increased the leverage over the W-8
> > design. Or, if one would add the extra bay between the strut and the
> > fuselage the angle of the strut to the wing narrows for less strength
> > in turbulent conditions.
> > If power is increased, I would prefer to use it to fly high
> > and/or reduce power for increased economy. I would use the power for
> > shorter takeoff and faster climb. Personally, I don't see the need
> > for a 250 mph Tailwind when the design is already excellent with 160
> > hp.
> > RJ
> >
> >
> > --- In TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com, "tailwind9y" <tailwindbr@c...>
> > wrote:
> > > This is great timing for this discussion. I have been puzzling
> > over
> > > whether to extend each wing one rib bay and widen the cockpit a few
> > > inches. With the extra wing area takeoff, landing, and climb
> > should
> > > improve as well as make the tricycle gear more acceptable to some.
> > It
> > > would seem that with the horsepower and weight savings the Mazda
> > > promises that this would be a modification that would improve
> > things
> > > without giving up much of the speed we all like so well. Any
> > > thoughts?
> > >
> > > Bob Rogers
> >
> >
> > Rent DVDs Online - Over 14,500 titles.
> > No Late Fees & Free Shipping.
> > Try Netflix for FREE!
> > http://us.click.yahoo.com/YoVfrB/XP.FAA/uetFAA/1yWplB/TM
> >
> > To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
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> >
> > The Tailwind Forum group site is:
> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Altitude & W-10 wing |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: George Turner <tailwind222@yahoo.com>
Wittman said He tested a 150 HP W-10 Tailwind up to 20,000 feet with no problem.
No passenger. Last summer I left Phoenix for Wi. with over 550 lbs of me, fuel,
oxygen tank, and stuff, and climbed right up to 13,500 easily. I have 150
Lyc. W-10. Standard W-10 wing is fine. How much did that Tailwind weigh
that tried to fly non-stop from Ca. to NY. many years ago????????? George
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| Subject: | Re: Hats and Shirts |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Don White" <tailwind1@charter.net>
Andrew,
Last year at OSH I was looking all over for hats, shirts, etc with
Tailwind. A few guys asked "what's a Tailwind?" I would definately
interested in a hat and shirt myself.
Thanks,
Don White (WB9PRI)
----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew Eldredge" <andrewe@byu.edu>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Hats and Shirts
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Andrew Eldredge <andrewe@byu.edu>
>
> Everybody,
> It appears that there is enough interest that I'll go ahead and make
> the hats and sweatshirts. I'll be in touch with the Logo company
> tomorrow and have the design available for viewing. As soon as I can,
> stay tuned for updates.
>
> Andrew Eldredge
> KD7OSK
>
>
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