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1. 06:03 AM - Re: Nose Wheel Pant (William Bernard)
2. 12:21 PM - Re: Welding done! (Eric Schlanser)
3. 12:59 PM - Re: Powder coat cost (Jerry Hey)
4. 01:18 PM - Re: Re: Welding done! (Christian Bobka)
5. 02:44 PM - Re: Powder coat cost (Jim and Donna Clement)
6. 03:04 PM - Re: Powder coat cost (Richard Lamb)
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| Subject: | Re: Nose Wheel Pant |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
Thanks Jim, That was my conclusion also. Somehow, building something you
can't take appart doesn't seem like a good idea.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Nose Wheel Pant
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement"
<168x@merr.com>
>
> Bill, I used plate nuts on the brackets, otherwise you have to remove the
> axle and the two allen screws.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>; <TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Nose Wheel Pant
>
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard"
> <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> >
> > I'me in the process of installing Van's Nosewheel pant on the gear fork.
> The drawing I got shows riveting the pant to the attachment bracket. Is
this
> the way it's done? I thought about substituting plate nuts to allow
removal
> of the pant, rather than installing the pant 'permantly'.
> >
> > Any comments from the tri-gear crowd as to how to proceed?
> >
> > Thanks in advance!
> >
> > Bill
> >
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Welding done! |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Eric Schlanser <eschlanser@yahoo.com>
Dave,
I checked with the same outfit in Niles for powdercoating. They gave me the same
$600 estimate as they thought it was about the size of a dragster frame which
they have done.
I told them I was concerned about covering tube cracking from sight. They suggested
using a clear powdercoating like the drag people do for the same reason.
Thanks for the invitation. Hope to see you this weekend. Other listers should see
how fast you are building...and doing a first class job too.
Eric - in Kalamazoo
Time: 07:05:02 PM PST US
From: Davstamsta@aol.com
Subject: Tailwind-List: Welding done!
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Davstamsta@aol.com
Hi everyone,
I finished brazing the last tab today then loaded the airframe in a pickup to
be sandblasted and powder coated at a place in Niles Michigan that does race
cars.
I must say, today was a big moment for me.
The last thing I welded was actually the first thing I welded. I had to
re-make the brake pedal to accept the 8" clevelands. The plans seem to be
wrong. Or maybe its me.
This weekend I plan to cover through the tape. Eric, Now is your chance!
If all goes well, the engine goes in the following weekend.
David Stamsta, Michigan
N917WT
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| Subject: | Re: Powder coat cost |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
Jim, is the Epibond compatible with Stits? Jerry
On Tuesday, May 20, 2003, at 05:27 PM, Jim and Donna Clement wrote:
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement"
> <168x@merr.com>
>
> I'll go along with Richard, a good urethane or epoxy is a lot less
> money and
> the Randolph Epibond is as good as it gets. It is also less money
> than most
> of the automotive type primers and doesn't need a topcoat. Comes in two
> colors. Jim C
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Richard Lamb" <lamb01@flash.net>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Powder coat cost
>
>
>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb <lamb01@flash.net>
>>
>> David,
>> Pardon if this sound blunt, I don't mean it that way.
>>
>> But is powder coating the fuselage really a good idea?
>> I know it's state of the art stuff and all, but...?
>>
>> Power coat finishes can crack or chip leaving the steel exposed.
>>
>> I don't know actual weights, but my impression is that PC is
>> fairly heavy(?) Or can be?
>>
>> And $600 is a fair chunk of change - to me, at least.
>>
>> Everybody has their own priorities though.
>>
>> The messy job of sandblasting the frame is an ideal opportunity
>> for one last close visual inspection of all the tubes and clusters.
>>
>> May I suggest a two part epoxy primer like Epibond?
>> Sprayed out, it cures to the touch in half an hour.
>> It gives the same protection, impervious to almost anything,
>> (including, to some extent, sandplasting!)
>> but without the potential for cracks and rust.
>>
>> A quart kit of Epibond, thinner and all, costs about $50.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents.
>>
>> Richard
>>
>>
>> Davstamsta@aol.com wrote:
>>>
>>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Davstamsta@aol.com
>>>
>>> Steve,
>>> I don't know the cost yet. Somewhere between $600 and $700 is what I
>>> was
>>> quoted.
>>> But it was the time it took that sold me. I can get it done this
>>> week,
> and
>>> start covering over the long weekend. No waiting for the paint to
>>> dry!
>>> At the local rental place a decent sand blaster rents for $300 a day
>>> and
> I
>>> would have to do that messy job.
>>>
>>> David
>>> N917WT
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Welding done! |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Christian Bobka" <bobka@charter.net>
A buddy of mine powdercoated his pitts fuselage in white. A few years
later, a crack appeared at the landing gear attach point and was very easy
to see with the white coating. I would use the white.
The epoxy coatings are very brittle and will chip much like porcelin enamel.
Simply swinging a wrench handle into it while tightening your magneto will
be enough to chip it bad. Epoxy is not UV resistant either and will chaulk
easily where exposed to sunlight. It is better to use a polyurethane based
powder. It is about 99% the chemical resistivity as epoxy but will hold a
shine and is not going to chip easily.
See my powder coating article at
http://members.aol.com/bpabpabpa/powder.html
Do not handle sandblasted parts to be powdercoated with bare hands. Use new
white cotton gloves. ALL RUST MUST BE REMOVED.
Chris Bobka - Mnpls.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Eric
Schlanser
Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Welding done!
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Eric Schlanser <eschlanser@yahoo.com>
Dave,
I checked with the same outfit in Niles for powdercoating. They gave me the
same $600 estimate as they thought it was about the size of a dragster frame
which they have done.
I told them I was concerned about covering tube cracking from sight. They
suggested using a clear powdercoating like the drag people do for the same
reason.
Thanks for the invitation. Hope to see you this weekend. Other listers
should see how fast you are building...and doing a first class job too.
Eric - in Kalamazoo
Time: 07:05:02 PM PST US
From: Davstamsta@aol.com
Subject: Tailwind-List: Welding done!
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Davstamsta@aol.com
Hi everyone,
I finished brazing the last tab today then loaded the airframe in a pickup
to
be sandblasted and powder coated at a place in Niles Michigan that does race
cars.
I must say, today was a big moment for me.
The last thing I welded was actually the first thing I welded. I had to
re-make the brake pedal to accept the 8" clevelands. The plans seem to be
wrong. Or maybe its me.
This weekend I plan to cover through the tape. Eric, Now is your chance!
If all goes well, the engine goes in the following weekend.
David Stamsta, Michigan
N917WT
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| Subject: | Re: Powder coat cost |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
You can put anything over it, a friend in the ag flying business uses it on
his Pawnees and it holds up to everything.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Hey" <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Powder coat cost
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
>
> Jim, is the Epibond compatible with Stits? Jerry
> On Tuesday, May 20, 2003, at 05:27 PM, Jim and Donna Clement wrote:
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement"
> > <168x@merr.com>
> >
> > I'll go along with Richard, a good urethane or epoxy is a lot less
> > money and
> > the Randolph Epibond is as good as it gets. It is also less money
> > than most
> > of the automotive type primers and doesn't need a topcoat. Comes in two
> > colors. Jim C
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richard Lamb" <lamb01@flash.net>
> > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Powder coat cost
> >
> >
> >> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb <lamb01@flash.net>
> >>
> >> David,
> >> Pardon if this sound blunt, I don't mean it that way.
> >>
> >> But is powder coating the fuselage really a good idea?
> >> I know it's state of the art stuff and all, but...?
> >>
> >> Power coat finishes can crack or chip leaving the steel exposed.
> >>
> >> I don't know actual weights, but my impression is that PC is
> >> fairly heavy(?) Or can be?
> >>
> >> And $600 is a fair chunk of change - to me, at least.
> >>
> >> Everybody has their own priorities though.
> >>
> >> The messy job of sandblasting the frame is an ideal opportunity
> >> for one last close visual inspection of all the tubes and clusters.
> >>
> >> May I suggest a two part epoxy primer like Epibond?
> >> Sprayed out, it cures to the touch in half an hour.
> >> It gives the same protection, impervious to almost anything,
> >> (including, to some extent, sandplasting!)
> >> but without the potential for cracks and rust.
> >>
> >> A quart kit of Epibond, thinner and all, costs about $50.
> >>
> >> Just my 2 cents.
> >>
> >> Richard
> >>
> >>
> >> Davstamsta@aol.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Davstamsta@aol.com
> >>>
> >>> Steve,
> >>> I don't know the cost yet. Somewhere between $600 and $700 is what I
> >>> was
> >>> quoted.
> >>> But it was the time it took that sold me. I can get it done this
> >>> week,
> > and
> >>> start covering over the long weekend. No waiting for the paint to
> >>> dry!
> >>> At the local rental place a decent sand blaster rents for $300 a day
> >>> and
> > I
> >>> would have to do that messy job.
> >>>
> >>> David
> >>> N917WT
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Powder coat cost |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb <lamb01@flash.net>
Jerry Hey wrote:
>
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
>
> Jim, is the Epibond compatible with Stits? Jerry
> On Tuesday, May 20, 2003, at 05:27 PM, Jim and Donna Clement wrote:
Sure enough. I'm using Epibond/Stits on the new parasol.
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement"
> > <168x@merr.com>
> >
> > I'll go along with Richard, a good urethane or epoxy is a lot less
> > money and
> > the Randolph Epibond is as good as it gets. It is also less money
> > than most
> > of the automotive type primers and doesn't need a topcoat. Comes in two
> > colors. Jim C
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Richard Lamb" <lamb01@flash.net>
> > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Powder coat cost
> >
> >
> >> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb <lamb01@flash.net>
> >>
> >> David,
> >> Pardon if this sound blunt, I don't mean it that way.
> >>
> >> But is powder coating the fuselage really a good idea?
> >> I know it's state of the art stuff and all, but...?
> >>
> >> Power coat finishes can crack or chip leaving the steel exposed.
> >>
> >> I don't know actual weights, but my impression is that PC is
> >> fairly heavy(?) Or can be?
> >>
> >> And $600 is a fair chunk of change - to me, at least.
> >>
> >> Everybody has their own priorities though.
> >>
> >> The messy job of sandblasting the frame is an ideal opportunity
> >> for one last close visual inspection of all the tubes and clusters.
> >>
> >> May I suggest a two part epoxy primer like Epibond?
> >> Sprayed out, it cures to the touch in half an hour.
> >> It gives the same protection, impervious to almost anything,
> >> (including, to some extent, sandplasting!)
> >> but without the potential for cracks and rust.
> >>
> >> A quart kit of Epibond, thinner and all, costs about $50.
> >>
> >> Just my 2 cents.
> >>
> >> Richard
> >>
> >>
> >> Davstamsta@aol.com wrote:
> >>>
> >>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Davstamsta@aol.com
> >>>
> >>> Steve,
> >>> I don't know the cost yet. Somewhere between $600 and $700 is what I
> >>> was
> >>> quoted.
> >>> But it was the time it took that sold me. I can get it done this
> >>> week,
> > and
> >>> start covering over the long weekend. No waiting for the paint to
> >>> dry!
> >>> At the local rental place a decent sand blaster rents for $300 a day
> >>> and
> > I
> >>> would have to do that messy job.
> >>>
> >>> David
> >>> N917WT
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
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> >
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