Today's Message Index:
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1. 05:20 AM - Cabin Heat (William Bernard)
2. 06:07 AM - Re: Cabin Heat (Jim and Donna Clement)
3. 06:48 AM - Re: Cabin Heat (Brian Alley)
4. 08:48 AM - Re: Cabin Heat (Fred Weaver)
5. 09:07 AM - Re: Cowl Air for heat (Fred Weaver)
6. 02:26 PM - Re: Re: Cowl Air for heat (Rick and Cindy)
7. 03:19 PM - Re: Cabin Heat (Jim and Donna Clement)
8. 07:29 PM - Re: Cabin Heat (Brian Alley)
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
How is a good way to go about getting a reasonable amount of heat into the cabin,
short of moving to Arizona for the winter?
Thanks
Bill
N40WB
Still workin' on the baffle-in'
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
Bill, this is a real simple heater and it works at 25 below zero. Wrap a
piece of aluminum or light SS around your exhaust pipe or pipes so the down
wind end is somewhat tight and the front is open about 1" around the pipes.
This will look like a funnel, A hose clamp riveted to the small end will
seal up that end. Put a 2" outlet near the rear and feed it into the
firewall heater box. I run both left and right pipes on the passenger side
and can put the heater over both and this will melt the soles off your
tennis shoes. If you make a fully enclosed heat muff like most airplanes,the
pipes get so hot inside they crack and get very brittle. Some will argue
about using cowl air instead of fresh air but in my opinion this is safer
than using a heat muff that is enclosed with a undetected crack.
This idea came from Steve Wittman and like the rest of the TW, it works. It
is also easily removed for the summer. Don't try to seal the small end
tight, let some air leak thru. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Cabin Heat
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard"
<billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
>
> How is a good way to go about getting a reasonable amount of heat into the
cabin, short of moving to Arizona for the winter?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bill
> N40WB
> Still workin' on the baffle-in'
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Brian Alley <n320wt@yahoo.com>
Jim, Would love to see a picture of your cabin heat system!!
=====
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Bill.... All it takes is a small heat muff and a cabin heat valve. Use two
inch hose(the black stuff that looks like SCAT) and you will have plenty of
warm air to deal with.
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Cabin Heat
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard"
<billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
>
> How is a good way to go about getting a reasonable amount of heat into the
cabin, short of moving to Arizona for the winter?
>
> Thanks
>
> Bill
> N40WB
> Still workin' on the baffle-in'
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Cowl Air for heat |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
I can testify to Jim's comment about NOT using "cowl air" for heat. I
haven't experienced any carbon monoxide/dioxide(yet) BUT I don't get any
fricken heat either. My cylinder temps are above 375 but below 400 degrees
and you would think there would be plenty of warm air to steal but NO. Ted
and I took the muff off when we arrived at Baraboo this summer as we really
didn't need any heat but now it's a neccesity. I will put the muff back on
later this week. BTW, the Tailwind will stay very comfortable even in very
very cold air. It can be zero degrees outside and using Jims muff gizmo will
keep you nice and toasty. Also on this subject of heat, Jerome made some
cool little defroster slots in 49T and they only used come cowl air. They
worked real good and you might want to consider that also.
HEY RICK!! What did you use? You never complained about being cold.... You
must have had a nice setup to go with that rudder trim...
Fred
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Cabin Heat
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement"
<168x@merr.com>
>
> Bill, this is a real simple heater and it works at 25 below zero. Wrap a
> piece of aluminum or light SS around your exhaust pipe or pipes so the
down
> wind end is somewhat tight and the front is open about 1" around the
pipes.
> This will look like a funnel, A hose clamp riveted to the small end will
> seal up that end. Put a 2" outlet near the rear and feed it into the
> firewall heater box. I run both left and right pipes on the passenger side
> and can put the heater over both and this will melt the soles off your
> tennis shoes. If you make a fully enclosed heat muff like most
airplanes,the
> pipes get so hot inside they crack and get very brittle. Some will argue
> about using cowl air instead of fresh air but in my opinion this is safer
> than using a heat muff that is enclosed with a undetected crack.
> This idea came from Steve Wittman and like the rest of the TW, it works.
It
> is also easily removed for the summer. Don't try to seal the small end
> tight, let some air leak thru. Jim C
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>; <TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com>
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Cabin Heat
>
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard"
> <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> >
> > How is a good way to go about getting a reasonable amount of heat into
the
> cabin, short of moving to Arizona for the winter?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Bill
> > N40WB
> > Still workin' on the baffle-in'
> >
> >
>
>
Message 6
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| Subject: | Re: Cowl Air for heat |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate@infionline.net>
Fred: 393RC had a large conventional heat muff made sort of like the
Taylorcraft. Flanged rings were welded to the LH exhaust, the muff was a
flat wrap, and long as I could make it, with inlet and outlet welded on,
easily removed for inspection. Light jacket and gloves were comfortable even
in the coldest weather, and sometimes the piddies got a little too warm.
Would have been more effective if I had sealed the cockpit up a little
better, around door handles and flap torque tubes, for instance.
Rick
N241SW
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Cowl Air for heat
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver"
<Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
>
> I can testify to Jim's comment about NOT using "cowl air" for heat. I
> haven't experienced any carbon monoxide/dioxide(yet) BUT I don't get any
> fricken heat either. My cylinder temps are above 375 but below 400 degrees
> and you would think there would be plenty of warm air to steal but NO. Ted
> and I took the muff off when we arrived at Baraboo this summer as we
really
> didn't need any heat but now it's a neccesity. I will put the muff back on
> later this week. BTW, the Tailwind will stay very comfortable even in very
> very cold air. It can be zero degrees outside and using Jims muff gizmo
will
> keep you nice and toasty. Also on this subject of heat, Jerome made some
> cool little defroster slots in 49T and they only used come cowl air. They
> worked real good and you might want to consider that also.
>
> HEY RICK!! What did you use? You never complained about being cold....
You
> must have had a nice setup to go with that rudder trim...
> Fred
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Cabin Heat
>
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement"
> <168x@merr.com>
> >
> > Bill, this is a real simple heater and it works at 25 below zero. Wrap a
> > piece of aluminum or light SS around your exhaust pipe or pipes so the
> down
> > wind end is somewhat tight and the front is open about 1" around the
> pipes.
> > This will look like a funnel, A hose clamp riveted to the small end will
> > seal up that end. Put a 2" outlet near the rear and feed it into the
> > firewall heater box. I run both left and right pipes on the passenger
side
> > and can put the heater over both and this will melt the soles off your
> > tennis shoes. If you make a fully enclosed heat muff like most
> airplanes,the
> > pipes get so hot inside they crack and get very brittle. Some will argue
> > about using cowl air instead of fresh air but in my opinion this is
safer
> > than using a heat muff that is enclosed with a undetected crack.
> > This idea came from Steve Wittman and like the rest of the TW, it works.
> It
> > is also easily removed for the summer. Don't try to seal the small end
> > tight, let some air leak thru. Jim C
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>; <TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com>
> > Subject: Tailwind-List: Cabin Heat
> >
> >
> > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard"
> > <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> > >
> > > How is a good way to go about getting a reasonable amount of heat into
> the
> > cabin, short of moving to Arizona for the winter?
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > N40WB
> > > Still workin' on the baffle-in'
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
Brian, I will have to figure out how to post a picture first, maybe Fred
could. He has the same muff and firewall heat valve. The heat valve is a
good one also. It is a slider instead of a flapper and doesn't leak. Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian Alley" <n320wt@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Cabin Heat
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Brian Alley <n320wt@yahoo.com>
>
> Jim, Would love to see a picture of your cabin heat system!!
>
> =====
> BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
>
> How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
>
>
Message 8
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Brian Alley <n320wt@yahoo.com>
OK Jim, thanks. Fred, when you reinstall the cabin
heat in your W-10, please take a couple of digital
photos and post them. Thanks
=====
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
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