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1. 04:54 AM - Re: EIS Engine Monitor (IslPilot@aol.com)
2. 06:44 AM - Tailwind N192S (Stephen Power)
3. 07:53 AM - Re: Tailwind N192S (Cy Galley)
4. 08:10 AM - Tailwind N192S (Ruhnke, Mike)
5. 08:11 AM - Re: Tailwind N192S (Keith Dornseif)
6. 08:42 AM - Re: Tailwind N192S (Graham Mitchell)
7. 09:20 AM - Re: EIS Engine Monitor (Brian Alley)
8. 09:25 AM - Re: Tailwind N192S (Luc H.)
9. 09:53 AM - Boot cowl (Bill newkirk)
10. 10:44 AM - Re: Boot cowl (Jim and Donna Clement)
11. 10:57 AM - Re: Panel (Bill newkirk)
12. 11:18 AM - Re: Tailwind N192S (Cy Galley)
13. 12:20 PM - Re: Tailwind N192S (red)
14. 01:55 PM - address (john)
15. 03:05 PM - Re: address (Rick and Cindy)
16. 04:20 PM - Fw: Re: [Hiperbipe]Tapered rod gear (Brian Alley)
17. 04:27 PM - baggage compartment (Dan Hedge)
18. 04:47 PM - Re: baggage compartment (Jim and Donna Clement)
19. 04:50 PM - Re: Boot cowl (Bill newkirk)
20. 04:57 PM - Re: Boot cowl (Jim and Donna Clement)
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| Subject: | Re: EIS Engine Monitor |
Brian:
New panel is being cut this week so hope to have it installed with all the
new toys by the end of the month. Will post pics at that time.
Paul
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Stephen Power" <stephenjpower@msn.com>
There was an AP photo of the wreckage of Tailwind N192S fished out of the
ocean off Los Angeles. Does anyone have information on this crash?
Stephen Power
Vacaville, CA
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwind N192S |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Not a good tail number!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Power" <stephenjpower@msn.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Tailwind N192S
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Stephen Power"
<stephenjpower@msn.com>
>
> There was an AP photo of the wreckage of Tailwind N192S fished out of the
> ocean off Los Angeles. Does anyone have information on this crash?
>
> Stephen Power
> Vacaville, CA
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Ruhnke, Mike" <ruhnkem@rayovac.com>
From the web....
N192S is Assigned
Assigned/Registered Aircraft
Aircraft Description
Serial Number 001WS Type Registration Individual
Manufacturer Name TAILWIND Certificate Issue Date 05/27/1999
Model W-8 Status Valid
Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Single-Engine Type Engine Reciprocating
Pending Number Change None Dealer No
Date Change Authorized None Mode S Code 50270451
MFR Year 1969 Fractional Owner NO
Registered Owner
Name EATMON TEDDY D
Street 13443 GRAYSTONE AVE
City NORWALK State CALIFORNIA Zip Code 90650-3632
County LOS ANGELES
Country UNITED STATES
Airworthiness
Engine Manufacturer LYCOMING Classification Experimental
Engine Model 0-290 SERIES Category Amateur Built
A/W Date 06/23/1993
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Keith Dornseif" <keithdornseif@comcast.net>
Stephen do you have the link fore the AP photo?
Keith Dornseif
keith@dornseif.net
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cy Galley
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Tailwind N192S
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Not a good tail number!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Power" <stephenjpower@msn.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Tailwind N192S
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Stephen Power"
<stephenjpower@msn.com>
>
> There was an AP photo of the wreckage of Tailwind N192S fished out of the
> ocean off Los Angeles. Does anyone have information on this crash?
>
> Stephen Power
> Vacaville, CA
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Graham Mitchell <gmitchell@coastcomposites.com>
This is a good number I checked this morning registered to a gentlemen for
Norwalk Ca about 10m from were it went down.
Graham Mitchell.
Project Manager,
Coast Composites,
Tel 949 455 0665 ext 128,
e-mail gmitchell@coastcomposites.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cy Galley
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Tailwind N192S
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Not a good tail number!
----- Original Message -----
From: "Stephen Power" <stephenjpower@msn.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Tailwind N192S
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Stephen Power"
<stephenjpower@msn.com>
>
> There was an AP photo of the wreckage of Tailwind N192S fished out of the
> ocean off Los Angeles. Does anyone have information on this crash?
>
> Stephen Power
> Vacaville, CA
>
> _________________________________________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: EIS Engine Monitor |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Brian Alley <n320wt@yahoo.com>
I'm really looking forward to seeing your panel
installion. My carbon panel fits my Tailwind perfectly
and seams to damped some of the vibration especially
when I start the engine and shut down.
=====
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwind N192S |
LOS ANGELES - The son of retired airline pilot William Zesiger, killed when his
experimental plane crashed in the ocean off San Pedro, said his father died doing
what he loved.
"He kept flying airplanes - that's all he ever did. That was his passion," son
Michael Zesiger, 45, said Sunday, a day after the death of his father.
Zesiger, 74, of Palos Verdes Estates began flying with the Air Force 54 years ago,
and he was a pilot for Trans World Airlines for 34 years before retiring about
15 years ago, his son said. The elder Zesiger died a short time after taking
off Saturday from Compton Airport.
Federal investigators were trying to determine the cause of the crash, but Michael
Zesiger said he believed a mechanical problem was likely to blame for the
crash of the single-engine, two-seat aircraft.
"I lost my best friend,' he said. "He loved doing what he loved best."
IDENTIFICATION
Regis#: 192S Make/Model: EXP Description: TAILWIND W-8
Date: 01/31/2004 Time: 2200
Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N
Damage: Destroyed
LOCATION
City: LONG BEACH State: CA Country: US
DESCRIPTION
ACFT CRASHED INTO THE OCEAN UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES AND WAS DESTROYED,
THE ONE PERSON ON BOARD WAS FATALLY INJURED, 5 MILES SOUTH OF LONG BEACH, CA
INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 1
# Crew: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
# Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk:
WEATHER: UNK
OTHER DATA
Activity: Pleasure Phase: Unknown Operation: General Aviation
Departed: UNK Dep Date: Dep. Time:
Destination: UNK Flt Plan: UNK Wx Briefing: U
Last Radio Cont: UNK
Last Clearance: UNK
FAA FSDO: LONG BEACH, CA (WP05) Entry date: 02/02/2004
Serial Number 001WS Type Registration Individual
Manufacturer NameTAILWIND Certificate Issue Date05/27/1999
ModelW-8 StatusValid
Type AircraftFixed Wing Single-EngineType EngineReciprocating
Pending Number ChangeNone DealerNo
Date Change AuthorizedNone Mode S Code50270451
MFR Year1969 Fractional OwnerNO
Registered Owner
Name EATMON TEDDY D
Street13443 GRAYSTONE AVE
CityNORWALK StateCALIFORNIA Zip Code 90650-3632
CountyLOS ANGELES
CountryUNITED STATES
Airworthiness
Engine Manufacturer LYCOMING ClassificationExperimental
Engine Model 0-290 SERIES CategoryAmateur Built
A/W Date06/23/1993
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Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:52:12 -0800
Jim C., it looks to me that the boot cowl, or cowl boot, on your plane is fastened
with removable fasteners.
Is this advantageous, or could they just as well be rivetted?
Bill Newkirk,
Prather, CA
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It sure makes fixing a brake or some other problem that went wrong by the firewall
easier. I guess it's up to you. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill newkirk
To: tailwind-list
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 11:52 AM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Boot cowl
Jim C., it looks to me that the boot cowl, or cowl boot, on your plane is fastened
with removable fasteners.
Is this advantageous, or could they just as well be rivetted?
Bill Newkirk,
Prather, CA
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Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:44:12 -0800
Brian Alley;
I am interested in a panel. BUT my project is a modified W-8.
Could you provide me with the dimensions and price.
Bill Newkirk
bilnewkirk@msn.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Brian Alley<mailto:n320wt@yahoo.com>
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com<mailto:tailwind-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 1:20 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: EIS Engine Monitor
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Brian Alley <n320wt@yahoo.com<mailto:n320wt@yahoo.com>>
Paul, Way cool!!! I would love to upgrade to an EFIS
system. I'll deffinately go that route in my next
Tailwind. I have several other ideas to incorporate as
well. BTW, my airbox is also a modified RV unit. Would
love to see pictures.
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwind N192S |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
Sorry, It came up this time.
Cy Galley
Editor, EAA Safety Programs
cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org
----- Original Message -----
From: "Graham Mitchell" <gmitchell@coastcomposites.com>
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Tailwind N192S
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Graham Mitchell
<gmitchell@coastcomposites.com>
>
> This is a good number I checked this morning registered to a gentlemen for
> Norwalk Ca about 10m from were it went down.
>
> Graham Mitchell.
> Project Manager,
> Coast Composites,
> Tel 949 455 0665 ext 128,
> e-mail gmitchell@coastcomposites.com
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cy Galley
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:55 AM
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Tailwind N192S
>
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" <cgalley@qcbc.org>
>
> Not a good tail number!
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Stephen Power" <stephenjpower@msn.com>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:44 AM
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Tailwind N192S
>
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Stephen Power"
> <stephenjpower@msn.com>
> >
> > There was an AP photo of the wreckage of Tailwind N192S fished out of
the
> > ocean off Los Angeles. Does anyone have information on this crash?
> >
> > Stephen Power
> > Vacaville, CA
> >
> > _________________________________________________________________
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> >
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwind N192S |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "red" <redswings@reds-headers.com>
Mike,
Thanks for the real deal.
Red
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ruhnke, Mike" <ruhnkem@rayovac.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Tailwind N192S
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Ruhnke, Mike" <ruhnkem@rayovac.com>
>
> >From the web....
>
> N192S is Assigned
>
>
> Assigned/Registered Aircraft
>
> Aircraft Description
>
> Serial Number 001WS Type Registration Individual
> Manufacturer Name TAILWIND Certificate Issue Date 05/27/1999
> Model W-8 Status Valid
> Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Single-Engine Type Engine Reciprocating
> Pending Number Change None Dealer No
> Date Change Authorized None Mode S Code 50270451
> MFR Year 1969 Fractional Owner NO
>
>
------
>
>
> Registered Owner
>
> Name EATMON TEDDY D
> Street 13443 GRAYSTONE AVE
> City NORWALK State CALIFORNIA Zip Code 90650-3632
> County LOS ANGELES
> Country UNITED STATES
>
>
------
>
>
> Airworthiness
>
>
> Engine Manufacturer LYCOMING Classification Experimental
> Engine Model 0-290 SERIES Category Amateur Built
>
> A/W Date 06/23/1993
>
> >
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
Rick; Can you send me your email address. frmrjohn@netonecom.net
Don't Archive.
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate@infionline.net>
Farmer John: My e-mail is rcaviate@infionline.net.
Rick
N241SW
----- Original Message -----
From: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: address
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
>
> Rick; Can you send me your email address. frmrjohn@netonecom.net
> Don't Archive.
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Fwd: Re: [Hiperbipe]Tapered rod gear |
TailwindForum <TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com>
An interesting discription on the function of the
Tapered rod gear. Any comments???
Note: forwarded message attached.
=====
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 18:51:02 -0000
by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 18:51:02 -0000
From: Steven E Soper <sesoper@juno.com>
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Subject: Re: [Hiperbipe] Hiperbipe in the D/FW Area
--g2RZzg8ylE6S6N8yndosDE5UeJbfDS2kSi135PM
Bill,
As for ground handling, when I flew 774HB I thought it handled almost
exactly like a Citabria or maybe even a little easier. ONE THING TO
NOTE--If the main gear is not set properly it will make any tailwheel a
BEAR on the ground. You should NEVER have any toe-in but should be 0 in
the 3-point attitude. I have fixed several aircraft that had ground
handling problems from a Fleet to Pitts Special simply by aligning the
gear. The round rod gear-which I have put on 3 Pitts S-1s-makes landings
a piece of cake at almost any speed. I will attempt to explain
When you land (or at least when I land) I rarely get equal load on both
mains at the exact same time. If you have any toe out the tire with the
most weight (read traction) tends to take over. So for example you touch
down with more weight on the LH main it is toed in it wants to take the
plane right applying more weight (traction) to that tire making it want
to go more to the right (really the WRONG way) which makes it worse.
What we do of course is add left rudder to stop the RH turn and we
transfer the weight to the right main which if toed in wants to go left.
There tends to be this back and forth thing going on to greater or lesser
degree until we get it slowed down and weight equalized.
If the gear is toed out, when you land with more weight on the LH main it
wants to go left. This automatically transfers weight to the RH main
which wants to go right transferring weight to the left--Self
stabilizing. Of course you don't want much toe out because that can
cause other problems ie. Hard to push on the ground, tire wear etc. I
always shoot for 0 but never toe-in and that generally works good.
Something interesting happens with the round rod gear though. As you
land the tires want to go aft (drag) and since the tire is outboard of
the centerline of the round rod gear will twist some thus adding some
toe-out-Built in stability. Whittman was a smart man!! And Sorrells too
for using it!!!!!!
Steve Soper
--g2RZzg8ylE6S6N8yndosDE5UeJbfDS2kSi135PM
<tt>
Bill,
As for ground handling, when I flew 774HB I thought it handled almost
exactly like a Citabria or maybe even a little easier. ONE THING TO
NOTE--If the main gear is not set properly it will make any tailwheel a
BEAR on the ground. You should NEVER have any toe-in but should be 0 in
the 3-point attitude. I have fixed several aircraft that had ground
handling problems from a Fleet to Pitts Special simply by aligning the
gear. The round rod gear-which I have put on 3 Pitts S-1s-makes landings
a piece of cake at almost any speed. I will attempt to explain
When you land (or at least when I land) I rarely get equal load on both
mains at the exact same time. If you have any toe out the tire with the
most weight (read traction) tends to take over. So for example you touch
down with more weight on the LH main it is toed in it wants to take the
plane right applying more weight (traction) to that tire making it want
to go more to the right (really the WRONG way) which makes it worse.
What we do of course is add left rudder to stop the RH turn and we
transfer the weight to the right main which if toed in wants to go left.
There tends to be this back and forth thing going on to greater or lesser
degree until we get it slowed down and weight equalized.
If the gear is toed out, when you land with more weight on the LH main it
wants to go left. This automatically transfers weight to the RH main
which wants to go right transferring weight to the left--Self
stabilizing. Of course you don't want much toe out because that can
cause other problems ie. Hard to push on the ground, tire wear etc. I
always shoot for 0 but never toe-in and that generally works good.
Something interesting happens with the round rod gear though. As you
land the tires want to go aft (drag) and since the tire is outboard of
the centerline of the round rod gear will twist some thus adding some
toe-out-Built in stability. Whittman was a smart man!! And Sorrells too
for using it!!!!!!
Steve Soper
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| Subject: | baggage compartment |
Question for Jim C.
Two weeks ago in the photos of the baggage compartment it appears the
framework is aluminum angle. Could you describe in some detail how this will
be finished out? What size of angle, what you are using for the sides and
floor? Is the framework riveted or welded together? Any additional
information will be greatly appreciated.
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| Subject: | Re: baggage compartment |
I bend up aluminum angle from .050 sheet but you can use 1" store bought hardware
store type angle. Tabs are welded onto the fuselage and the angle is pop riveted
on. It is finished off with 1/4" poly board, [looks like corrugated cardboard],
then covered with automotive foam backed headliner material. Luan plywood
from the lumber yard works for the baggage floor, make it in two pieces with
a stiffener at the joint. Places that sell plastic products and some sign shops
carry poly board, it's about $10.00 for a 4x8' sheet. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan Hedge
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 6:27 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: baggage compartment
Question for Jim C.
Two weeks ago in the photos of the baggage compartment it appears the framework
is aluminum angle. Could you describe in some detail how this will be finished
out? What size of angle, what you are using for the sides and floor? Is the
framework riveted or welded together? Any additional information will be greatly
appreciated.
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Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:49:36 -0800
Thanks, Jim.
I thought it was mandatory that you fixed brakes by scrunching up under the panel
with your back leg hanging out the door at an angle.
Bill Newkirk
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From: Jim and Donna Clement<mailto:168x@merr.com>
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com<mailto:tailwind-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Boot cowl
It sure makes fixing a brake or some other problem that went wrong by the firewall
easier. I guess it's up to you. Jim C
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From: Bill newkirk<mailto:bilnewkirk@msn.com>
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Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 11:52 AM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Boot cowl
Jim C., it looks to me that the boot cowl, or cowl boot, on your plane is fastened
with removable fasteners.
Is this advantageous, or could they just as well be rivetted?
Bill Newkirk,
Prather, CA
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Bill, that depends on your age, but I do recall doing exactly what you described.
Jim
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill newkirk
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 6:49 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Boot cowl
Thanks, Jim.
I thought it was mandatory that you fixed brakes by scrunching up under the panel
with your back leg hanging out the door at an angle.
Bill Newkirk
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim and Donna Clement
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:26 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Boot cowl
It sure makes fixing a brake or some other problem that went wrong by the firewall
easier. I guess it's up to you. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: Bill newkirk
To: tailwind-list
Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 11:52 AM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Boot cowl
Jim C., it looks to me that the boot cowl, or cowl boot, on your plane is
fastened with removable fasteners.
Is this advantageous, or could they just as well be rivetted?
Bill Newkirk,
Prather, CA
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