---------------------------------------------------------- Tailwind-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/03/04: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:54 AM - Re: EIS Engine Monitor (IslPilot@aol.com) 2. 06:44 AM - Tailwind N192S (Stephen Power) 3. 07:53 AM - Re: Tailwind N192S (Cy Galley) 4. 08:10 AM - Tailwind N192S (Ruhnke, Mike) 5. 08:11 AM - Re: Tailwind N192S (Keith Dornseif) 6. 08:42 AM - Re: Tailwind N192S (Graham Mitchell) 7. 09:20 AM - Re: EIS Engine Monitor (Brian Alley) 8. 09:25 AM - Re: Tailwind N192S (Luc H.) 9. 09:53 AM - Boot cowl (Bill newkirk) 10. 10:44 AM - Re: Boot cowl (Jim and Donna Clement) 11. 10:57 AM - Re: Panel (Bill newkirk) 12. 11:18 AM - Re: Tailwind N192S (Cy Galley) 13. 12:20 PM - Re: Tailwind N192S (red) 14. 01:55 PM - address (john) 15. 03:05 PM - Re: address (Rick and Cindy) 16. 04:20 PM - Fw: Re: [Hiperbipe]Tapered rod gear (Brian Alley) 17. 04:27 PM - baggage compartment (Dan Hedge) 18. 04:47 PM - Re: baggage compartment (Jim and Donna Clement) 19. 04:50 PM - Re: Boot cowl (Bill newkirk) 20. 04:57 PM - Re: Boot cowl (Jim and Donna Clement) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:54:23 AM PST US From: IslPilot@aol.com Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: EIS Engine Monitor Brian: New panel is being cut this week so hope to have it installed with all the new toys by the end of the month. Will post pics at that time. Paul ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:48 AM PST US From: "Stephen Power" Subject: Tailwind-List: Tailwind N192S --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Stephen Power" There was an AP photo of the wreckage of Tailwind N192S fished out of the ocean off Los Angeles. Does anyone have information on this crash? Stephen Power Vacaville, CA High-speed usersbe more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:53:46 AM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Tailwind N192S --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" Not a good tail number! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Power" Subject: Tailwind-List: Tailwind N192S > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Stephen Power" > > There was an AP photo of the wreckage of Tailwind N192S fished out of the > ocean off Los Angeles. Does anyone have information on this crash? > > Stephen Power > Vacaville, CA > > _________________________________________________________________ > High-speed users-be more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:28 AM PST US Subject: Tailwind-List: Tailwind N192S From: "Ruhnke, Mike" --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Ruhnke, Mike" From the web.... N192S is Assigned Assigned/Registered Aircraft Aircraft Description Serial Number 001WS Type Registration Individual Manufacturer Name TAILWIND Certificate Issue Date 05/27/1999 Model W-8 Status Valid Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Single-Engine Type Engine Reciprocating Pending Number Change None Dealer No Date Change Authorized None Mode S Code 50270451 MFR Year 1969 Fractional Owner NO Registered Owner Name EATMON TEDDY D Street 13443 GRAYSTONE AVE City NORWALK State CALIFORNIA Zip Code 90650-3632 County LOS ANGELES Country UNITED STATES Airworthiness Engine Manufacturer LYCOMING Classification Experimental Engine Model 0-290 SERIES Category Amateur Built A/W Date 06/23/1993 > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:11:33 AM PST US From: "Keith Dornseif" Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Tailwind N192S --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Keith Dornseif" Stephen do you have the link fore the AP photo? Keith Dornseif keith@dornseif.net -----Original Message----- From: owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Cy Galley Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Tailwind N192S --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" Not a good tail number! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Power" Subject: Tailwind-List: Tailwind N192S > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Stephen Power" > > There was an AP photo of the wreckage of Tailwind N192S fished out of the > ocean off Los Angeles. Does anyone have information on this crash? > > Stephen Power > Vacaville, CA > > _________________________________________________________________ > High-speed users-be more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:05 AM PST US From: Graham Mitchell Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Tailwind N192S --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Graham Mitchell This is a good number I checked this morning registered to a gentlemen for Norwalk Ca about 10m from were it went down. Graham Mitchell. Project Manager, Coast Composites, Tel 949 455 0665 ext 128, e-mail gmitchell@coastcomposites.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cy Galley Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Tailwind N192S --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" Not a good tail number! ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Power" Subject: Tailwind-List: Tailwind N192S > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Stephen Power" > > There was an AP photo of the wreckage of Tailwind N192S fished out of the > ocean off Los Angeles. Does anyone have information on this crash? > > Stephen Power > Vacaville, CA > > _________________________________________________________________ > High-speed users-be more efficient online with the new MSN Premium Internet > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:20:16 AM PST US From: Brian Alley Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: EIS Engine Monitor --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Brian Alley I'm really looking forward to seeing your panel installion. My carbon panel fits my Tailwind perfectly and seams to damped some of the vibration especially when I start the engine and shut down. ===== BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT) CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck? ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:25:47 AM PST US From: "Luc H." <4luc@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Tailwind N192S LOS ANGELES - The son of retired airline pilot William Zesiger, killed when his experimental plane crashed in the ocean off San Pedro, said his father died doing what he loved. "He kept flying airplanes - that's all he ever did. That was his passion," son Michael Zesiger, 45, said Sunday, a day after the death of his father. Zesiger, 74, of Palos Verdes Estates began flying with the Air Force 54 years ago, and he was a pilot for Trans World Airlines for 34 years before retiring about 15 years ago, his son said. The elder Zesiger died a short time after taking off Saturday from Compton Airport. Federal investigators were trying to determine the cause of the crash, but Michael Zesiger said he believed a mechanical problem was likely to blame for the crash of the single-engine, two-seat aircraft. "I lost my best friend,' he said. "He loved doing what he loved best." IDENTIFICATION Regis#: 192S Make/Model: EXP Description: TAILWIND W-8 Date: 01/31/2004 Time: 2200 Event Type: Accident Highest Injury: Fatal Mid Air: N Missing: N Damage: Destroyed LOCATION City: LONG BEACH State: CA Country: US DESCRIPTION ACFT CRASHED INTO THE OCEAN UNDER UNKNOWN CIRCUMSTANCES AND WAS DESTROYED, THE ONE PERSON ON BOARD WAS FATALLY INJURED, 5 MILES SOUTH OF LONG BEACH, CA INJURY DATA Total Fatal: 1 # Crew: 1 Fat: 1 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Pass: 0 Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: # Grnd: Fat: 0 Ser: 0 Min: 0 Unk: WEATHER: UNK OTHER DATA Activity: Pleasure Phase: Unknown Operation: General Aviation Departed: UNK Dep Date: Dep. Time: Destination: UNK Flt Plan: UNK Wx Briefing: U Last Radio Cont: UNK Last Clearance: UNK FAA FSDO: LONG BEACH, CA (WP05) Entry date: 02/02/2004 Serial Number 001WS Type Registration Individual Manufacturer NameTAILWIND Certificate Issue Date05/27/1999 ModelW-8 StatusValid Type AircraftFixed Wing Single-EngineType EngineReciprocating Pending Number ChangeNone DealerNo Date Change AuthorizedNone Mode S Code50270451 MFR Year1969 Fractional OwnerNO Registered Owner Name EATMON TEDDY D Street13443 GRAYSTONE AVE CityNORWALK StateCALIFORNIA Zip Code 90650-3632 CountyLOS ANGELES CountryUNITED STATES Airworthiness Engine Manufacturer LYCOMING ClassificationExperimental Engine Model 0-290 SERIES CategoryAmateur Built A/W Date06/23/1993 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:18 AM PST US From: "Bill newkirk" Subject: Tailwind-List: Boot cowl Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:52:12 -0800 Jim C., it looks to me that the boot cowl, or cowl boot, on your plane is fastened with removable fasteners. Is this advantageous, or could they just as well be rivetted? Bill Newkirk, Prather, CA ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:44:03 AM PST US From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Boot cowl It sure makes fixing a brake or some other problem that went wrong by the firewall easier. I guess it's up to you. Jim C ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill newkirk To: tailwind-list Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 11:52 AM Subject: Tailwind-List: Boot cowl Jim C., it looks to me that the boot cowl, or cowl boot, on your plane is fastened with removable fasteners. Is this advantageous, or could they just as well be rivetted? Bill Newkirk, Prather, CA ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:57:04 AM PST US From: "Bill newkirk" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Panel Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 09:44:12 -0800 Brian Alley; I am interested in a panel. BUT my project is a modified W-8. Could you provide me with the dimensions and price. Bill Newkirk bilnewkirk@msn.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Brian Alley To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, February 02, 2004 1:20 PM Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: EIS Engine Monitor --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Brian Alley > Paul, Way cool!!! I would love to upgrade to an EFIS system. I'll deffinately go that route in my next Tailwind. I have several other ideas to incorporate as well. BTW, my airbox is also a modified RV unit. Would love to see pictures. BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT) CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck? http://www.matronics.com/chat tailwind-list@matronics.com http://www.matronics.com/subscription http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Tailwind-List.htm http://www.matronics.com/search http://www.matronics.com/browse/tailwind-list http://www.matronics.com/digest/tailwind-list http://www.matronics.com/chat http://www.matronics.com/archives http://www.matronics.com/photoshare http://www.matronics.com/tailwind-list http://www.matronics.com/emaillists report> http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:18:49 AM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Tailwind N192S --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" Sorry, It came up this time. Cy Galley Editor, EAA Safety Programs cgalley@qcbc.org or experimenter@eaa.org ----- Original Message ----- From: "Graham Mitchell" Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Tailwind N192S > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Graham Mitchell > > This is a good number I checked this morning registered to a gentlemen for > Norwalk Ca about 10m from were it went down. > > Graham Mitchell. > Project Manager, > Coast Composites, > Tel 949 455 0665 ext 128, > e-mail gmitchell@coastcomposites.com > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Cy Galley > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 7:55 AM > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Tailwind N192S > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Cy Galley" > > Not a good tail number! > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Stephen Power" > To: > Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 8:44 AM > Subject: Tailwind-List: Tailwind N192S > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Stephen Power" > > > > > There was an AP photo of the wreckage of Tailwind N192S fished out of the > > ocean off Los Angeles. Does anyone have information on this crash? > > > > Stephen Power > > Vacaville, CA > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > > High-speed users-be more efficient online with the new MSN Premium > Internet > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:20:53 PM PST US From: "red" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Tailwind N192S --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "red" Mike, Thanks for the real deal. Red ----- Original Message ----- From: "Ruhnke, Mike" Subject: Tailwind-List: Tailwind N192S > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Ruhnke, Mike" > > >From the web.... > > N192S is Assigned > > > Assigned/Registered Aircraft > > Aircraft Description > > Serial Number 001WS Type Registration Individual > Manufacturer Name TAILWIND Certificate Issue Date 05/27/1999 > Model W-8 Status Valid > Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Single-Engine Type Engine Reciprocating > Pending Number Change None Dealer No > Date Change Authorized None Mode S Code 50270451 > MFR Year 1969 Fractional Owner NO > > ------ > > > Registered Owner > > Name EATMON TEDDY D > Street 13443 GRAYSTONE AVE > City NORWALK State CALIFORNIA Zip Code 90650-3632 > County LOS ANGELES > Country UNITED STATES > > ------ > > > Airworthiness > > > Engine Manufacturer LYCOMING Classification Experimental > Engine Model 0-290 SERIES Category Amateur Built > > A/W Date 06/23/1993 > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:55:35 PM PST US From: "john" Subject: Tailwind-List: address --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" Rick; Can you send me your email address. frmrjohn@netonecom.net Don't Archive. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:37 PM PST US From: "Rick and Cindy" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: address --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Rick and Cindy" Farmer John: My e-mail is rcaviate@infionline.net. Rick N241SW ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" Subject: Tailwind-List: address > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" > > Rick; Can you send me your email address. frmrjohn@netonecom.net > Don't Archive. > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 04:20:47 PM PST US From: Brian Alley Subject: Tailwind-List: Fwd: Re: [Hiperbipe]Tapered rod gear TailwindForum An interesting discription on the function of the Tapered rod gear. Any comments??? Note: forwarded message attached. ===== BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT) CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck? by m11.grp.scd.yahoo.com with QMQP; 3 Feb 2004 18:51:02 -0000 by mta5.grp.scd.yahoo.com with SMTP; 3 Feb 2004 18:51:02 -0000 From: Steven E Soper List-Unsubscribe: Subject: Re: [Hiperbipe] Hiperbipe in the D/FW Area --g2RZzg8ylE6S6N8yndosDE5UeJbfDS2kSi135PM Bill, As for ground handling, when I flew 774HB I thought it handled almost exactly like a Citabria or maybe even a little easier. ONE THING TO NOTE--If the main gear is not set properly it will make any tailwheel a BEAR on the ground. You should NEVER have any toe-in but should be 0 in the 3-point attitude. I have fixed several aircraft that had ground handling problems from a Fleet to Pitts Special simply by aligning the gear. The round rod gear-which I have put on 3 Pitts S-1s-makes landings a piece of cake at almost any speed. I will attempt to explain When you land (or at least when I land) I rarely get equal load on both mains at the exact same time. If you have any toe out the tire with the most weight (read traction) tends to take over. So for example you touch down with more weight on the LH main it is toed in it wants to take the plane right applying more weight (traction) to that tire making it want to go more to the right (really the WRONG way) which makes it worse. What we do of course is add left rudder to stop the RH turn and we transfer the weight to the right main which if toed in wants to go left. There tends to be this back and forth thing going on to greater or lesser degree until we get it slowed down and weight equalized. If the gear is toed out, when you land with more weight on the LH main it wants to go left. This automatically transfers weight to the RH main which wants to go right transferring weight to the left--Self stabilizing. Of course you don't want much toe out because that can cause other problems ie. Hard to push on the ground, tire wear etc. I always shoot for 0 but never toe-in and that generally works good. Something interesting happens with the round rod gear though. As you land the tires want to go aft (drag) and since the tire is outboard of the centerline of the round rod gear will twist some thus adding some toe-out-Built in stability. Whittman was a smart man!! And Sorrells too for using it!!!!!! Steve Soper --g2RZzg8ylE6S6N8yndosDE5UeJbfDS2kSi135PM Bill, As for ground handling, when I flew 774HB I thought it handled almost exactly like a Citabria or maybe even a little easier. ONE THING TO NOTE--If the main gear is not set properly it will make any tailwheel a BEAR on the ground. You should NEVER have any toe-in but should be 0 in the 3-point attitude. I have fixed several aircraft that had ground handling problems from a Fleet to Pitts Special simply by aligning the gear. The round rod gear-which I have put on 3 Pitts S-1s-makes landings a piece of cake at almost any speed. I will attempt to explain When you land (or at least when I land) I rarely get equal load on both mains at the exact same time. If you have any toe out the tire with the most weight (read traction) tends to take over. So for example you touch down with more weight on the LH main it is toed in it wants to take the plane right applying more weight (traction) to that tire making it want to go more to the right (really the WRONG way) which makes it worse. What we do of course is add left rudder to stop the RH turn and we transfer the weight to the right main which if toed in wants to go left. There tends to be this back and forth thing going on to greater or lesser degree until we get it slowed down and weight equalized. If the gear is toed out, when you land with more weight on the LH main it wants to go left. This automatically transfers weight to the RH main which wants to go right transferring weight to the left--Self stabilizing. Of course you don't want much toe out because that can cause other problems ie. Hard to push on the ground, tire wear etc. I always shoot for 0 but never toe-in and that generally works good. Something interesting happens with the round rod gear though. As you land the tires want to go aft (drag) and since the tire is outboard of the centerline of the round rod gear will twist some thus adding some toe-out-Built in stability. Whittman was a smart man!! And Sorrells too for using it!!!!!! Steve Soper ADVERTISEMENT click here To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Hiperbipe/ To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: Hiperbipe-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com --g2RZzg8ylE6S6N8yndosDE5UeJbfDS2kSi135PM-- ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 04:27:22 PM PST US From: "Dan Hedge" Subject: Tailwind-List: baggage compartment Question for Jim C. Two weeks ago in the photos of the baggage compartment it appears the framework is aluminum angle. Could you describe in some detail how this will be finished out? What size of angle, what you are using for the sides and floor? Is the framework riveted or welded together? Any additional information will be greatly appreciated. -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:47:53 PM PST US From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: baggage compartment I bend up aluminum angle from .050 sheet but you can use 1" store bought hardware store type angle. Tabs are welded onto the fuselage and the angle is pop riveted on. It is finished off with 1/4" poly board, [looks like corrugated cardboard], then covered with automotive foam backed headliner material. Luan plywood from the lumber yard works for the baggage floor, make it in two pieces with a stiffener at the joint. Places that sell plastic products and some sign shops carry poly board, it's about $10.00 for a 4x8' sheet. Jim C ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Hedge To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 6:27 PM Subject: Tailwind-List: baggage compartment Question for Jim C. Two weeks ago in the photos of the baggage compartment it appears the framework is aluminum angle. Could you describe in some detail how this will be finished out? What size of angle, what you are using for the sides and floor? Is the framework riveted or welded together? Any additional information will be greatly appreciated. -- Checked by AVG Anti-Virus (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 7.0.211 / Virus Database: 261.8.1 - Release Date: 1/30/2004 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:50:41 PM PST US From: "Bill newkirk" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Boot cowl Seal-Send-Time: Tue, 3 Feb 2004 16:49:36 -0800 Thanks, Jim. I thought it was mandatory that you fixed brakes by scrunching up under the panel with your back leg hanging out the door at an angle. Bill Newkirk ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim and Donna Clement To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:26 AM Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Boot cowl It sure makes fixing a brake or some other problem that went wrong by the firewall easier. I guess it's up to you. Jim C ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill newkirk To: tailwind-list Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 11:52 AM Subject: Tailwind-List: Boot cowl Jim C., it looks to me that the boot cowl, or cowl boot, on your plane is fastened with removable fasteners. Is this advantageous, or could they just as well be rivetted? Bill Newkirk, Prather, CA ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:57:38 PM PST US From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Boot cowl Bill, that depends on your age, but I do recall doing exactly what you described. Jim ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill newkirk To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 6:49 PM Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Boot cowl Thanks, Jim. I thought it was mandatory that you fixed brakes by scrunching up under the panel with your back leg hanging out the door at an angle. Bill Newkirk ----- Original Message ----- From: Jim and Donna Clement To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 10:26 AM Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Boot cowl It sure makes fixing a brake or some other problem that went wrong by the firewall easier. I guess it's up to you. Jim C ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill newkirk To: tailwind-list Sent: Tuesday, February 03, 2004 11:52 AM Subject: Tailwind-List: Boot cowl Jim C., it looks to me that the boot cowl, or cowl boot, on your plane is fastened with removable fasteners. Is this advantageous, or could they just as well be rivetted? Bill Newkirk, Prather, CA