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1. 06:31 AM - Re: Just thinking (DaveM)
2. 09:01 AM - fuselage control openings (john)
3. 09:26 AM - Re: fuselage control openings (Jim Clement)
4. 09:35 AM - Re: fuselage control openings (168x@merr.com)
5. 09:40 AM - Re: Re: Doors (Eric Schlanser)
6. 11:30 AM - Re: Re: Doors (Jim Clement)
7. 11:37 AM - (Louis Owen)
8. 11:43 AM - Tailwind "Unofficial Builders Manual" (Rich Ellis)
9. 01:48 PM - Re: Tailwind "Unofficial Builders Manual" (Luc H.)
10. 07:30 PM - Re: Just thinking (Rcaprd@aol.com)
11. 09:11 PM - Re: Just thinking (Dave Conrad)
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| Subject: | Re: Just thinking |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "DaveM" <dmagaw@att.net>
All the RV'ers have at least two lists per model, can't let them upstage
us!!
I realize it helps to have a computer (not a mac) that is more compatible
with other lists ;
)
Case is still restless.
Dave
do not archive
>
> Yeah...... Like we should stick to one GOOD list....One that has an
archive
> with a life expectancy of Forever.
> Resting my case......Again,
> Weav
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| Subject: | fuselage control openings |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
Jim; Do you put an extra layer of fabric where the flap-aileron and the
elevator horn tube goes thru fabric. JohnD
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| Subject: | Re: fuselage control openings |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim Clement" <jc168x@tds.net>
Yes
----- Original Message -----
From: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: fuselage control openings
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
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> Jim; Do you put an extra layer of fabric where the flap-aileron and the
> elevator horn tube goes thru fabric. JohnD
>
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| Subject: | Re: fuselage control openings |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "168x@merr.com" <168x@merr.com>
Original Message:
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From: Jim Clement jc168x@tds.net
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: fuselage control openings
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim Clement" <jc168x@tds.net>
Yes
----- Original Message -----
From: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: fuselage control openings
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
>
> Jim; Do you put an extra layer of fabric where the flap-aileron and the
> elevator horn tube goes thru fabric. JohnD
>
>
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Jim, Thanks for the tip. Two urethane companies' tech advisors stongly advised
me to use their proprietary urethane primers. The TrueValue man said nobody ever
asked for the urethane primer before. He can special order it for $35. If
I am not going to glue the acrylic in, I may just use the same structural epoxy
I used on the aluminum flaps and ailerons. I already have it, Aeropoxy ES 6279
Structural Adhesive. Eric
Jim Clement <jc168x@tds.net> wrote:
Etch and prime the aluminum where you are going to glue it with epoxy primer. Then,
using urethane primer is a good idea before the w/s adhesive calk is used.
Also some countersink pop rivets should be used. Don't use it to glue in the
windows, you will have a mess that cannot be cleaned up. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Schlanser
Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Doors
Jim, When bonding the aluminum door skins to aluminum door frames, I think I remember
you have said you use auto glass urethane adhesive.
Do you use urethane adhesive primer first or just the adhesive as is?
Also, do you also use it to glue in the acrylic?
Eric - still making doors in Kalamazoo
From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>Subject: Re: DoorsDate: Nov 19, 2003
Make the outside of the door to match the outside of the jam, the door is
convex as is the rear door post if faired out. Jim C
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Eric, use the Aeropoxy. A auto glass shop should have the urethane primer for about
$10.00 if needed. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Schlanser
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:39 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: Doors
Jim, Thanks for the tip. Two urethane companies' tech advisors stongly advised
me to use their proprietary urethane primers. The TrueValue man said nobody
ever asked for the urethane primer before. He can special order it for $35. If
I am not going to glue the acrylic in, I may just use the same structural epoxy
I used on the aluminum flaps and ailerons. I already have it, Aeropoxy ES
6279 Structural Adhesive. Eric
Jim Clement <jc168x@tds.net> wrote:
Etch and prime the aluminum where you are going to glue it with epoxy primer.
Then, using urethane primer is a good idea before the w/s adhesive calk is
used. Also some countersink pop rivets should be used. Don't use it to glue in
the windows, you will have a mess that cannot be cleaned up. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Schlanser
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 2:45 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Doors
Jim, When bonding the aluminum door skins to aluminum door frames, I think
I remember you have said you use auto glass urethane adhesive.
Do you use urethane adhesive primer first or just the adhesive as is?
Also, do you also use it to glue in the acrylic?
Eric - still making doors in Kalamazoo
From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>
Subject: Re: Doors
Date: Nov 19, 2003
Make the outside of the door to match the outside of the jam, the door
is
convex as is the rear door post if faired out. Jim C
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<TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com>
American Tailwinder builders take note on how fortunate you are to be able to build
your aircraft as you now can.
Lou
The worst example of government control can be seen at today's Aero News Network. Go to: http://aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockIDc64fe8d9-88cf-44bd-95bd-e6a6dde1fc96& and take a look at what happened to a poor Vietnamese farmer who built a helicopter.
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| Subject: | Tailwind "Unofficial Builders Manual" |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rich Ellis <rjrellis@yahoo.com>
Luc ....... Perhaps you can step up to the plate and
accept the task offered by Dav. I would venture to bet
most would like to see an "Unofficial Builders Manual"
for the Tailwind. Although it should be completed in
the same Wittman philosophy: Simple, light, ......
Only my opinion. Rich E
--- dmagaw@att.net wrote:
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: dmagaw@att.net
>
> Actually, I have had the same idea, and I have been
> gathering e-mails with construction tips from those
> same personages. I have a lot of them in a couple
> of Word documents, in no particular organization. I
> been thinking that this may be a project that I may
> do when I retire, but that seems to be a number of
> years off still. I would be happy to give it to
> anyone who would undertake the task of organizing a
> "builder's manual" of sorts. Actually a purusal of
> the archives of the two e-mail lists will give any
> builder a lot of information on just about all
> aspects of building a tailwind, but it is a tedious
> way to get the information.
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/chat
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Tailwind-List.htm
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>
>
>
>
>
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Richard L. Ellis, M.D.
Gundersen Lutheran Health System
Co-Director
Norma J. Vinger Center for Breast Care
1900 South Avenue
La Crosse, WI 54601
800.362.9567, ext. 52102
rjrellis@yahoo.com
__________________________________
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| Subject: | Re: Tailwind "Unofficial Builders Manual" |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Luc H." <4luc@sbcglobal.net>
If I put together a builders manual, it would be like the blind leading the
blind. Whoever puts this together should have built at least one Tailwind.
Luc
----- Original Message -----
From: "Rich Ellis" <rjrellis@yahoo.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Tailwind "Unofficial Builders Manual"
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rich Ellis <rjrellis@yahoo.com>
Luc ....... Perhaps you can step up to the plate and
accept the task offered by Dav. I would venture to bet
most would like to see an "Unofficial Builders Manual"
for the Tailwind. Although it should be completed in
the same Wittman philosophy: Simple, light, ......
Only my opinion. Rich E
--- dmagaw@att.net wrote:
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: dmagaw@att.net
>
> Actually, I have had the same idea, and I have been
> gathering e-mails with construction tips from those
> same personages. I have a lot of them in a couple
> of Word documents, in no particular organization. I
> been thinking that this may be a project that I may
> do when I retire, but that seems to be a number of
> years off still. I would be happy to give it to
> anyone who would undertake the task of organizing a
> "builder's manual" of sorts. Actually a purusal of
> the archives of the two e-mail lists will give any
> builder a lot of information on just about all
> aspects of building a tailwind, but it is a tedious
> way to get the information.
> Dave
>
>
> Contributions
> any other
> Forums.
>
> http://www.matronics.com/chat
>
> http://www.matronics.com/subscription
> http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Tailwind-List.htm
> http://www.matronics.com/archives
> http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
> http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
>
>
=====
Richard L. Ellis, M.D.
Gundersen Lutheran Health System
Co-Director
Norma J. Vinger Center for Breast Care
1900 South Avenue
La Crosse, WI 54601
800.362.9567, ext. 52102
rjrellis@yahoo.com
__________________________________
http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools
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| Subject: | Re: Just thinking |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
In a message dated 2/18/04 10:02:08 PM Central Standard Time, dmagaw@att.net
writes:
<< Actually, I have had the same idea, and I have been gathering e-mails with
construction tips from those same personages. >>
Dave,
I've been doing this same thing for quite a while for my own personal use, so
when I get to a particular phase of building the plane, I can refer to the
file and see what questions and answers were published on the internet groups.
So far, I have 83 file topics. Some files are quite large, like the WING file
has 33 pages. I spend WAY too much time on this computer !!
Chuck Gantzer
These are the file topics:
Antenna Com and X-pndr
Building the O&O
Instrument system
Insurance
Wheels & Brakes
Ailerons and Flaps
Floats - Ski's
Fuselage
Modified 4309
Oil Cooler Position
Peoples Thoughts
Performance
Stabilizer
W8 - W10 Differences
Weight and Balance
4 Place Tailwind Big X
Boot Cowl
Buttercup
Carb
Carbon Fiber Stuff
Cowling
Doors
Electrical
Elevator Pushrod
Elevator
Engine O-320
Engine Rotary
Engine Baffles
Engine Mount
Engine Stuff
Exhaust Systems
Firewall
Fresh Air Vents
Gas
Hardware
IFR Homebuilts
Info
Jacking Methods
Landing Gear
Mags
Metal Wings
Noise Reduction
Nosewheel
Panel
Props & Spinners
Radio's & ELT's
Registration
Rudder & Pedals
Seats
Spec's & other Info
Steel Tubing & Material list
Stringers
Struts
Tailwheel
Times
Trim System
W10 Wingtip
Welding
Wheel Pants
Windshield & Sealant
Wing Fiberglass
Wing Incidence
Wing Questions
Wing Tanks
Wing
Accidents
Cockpit
Construction Costs
Control Stick
Fuel Pump
Engine Rebuilding
Fuel Tank
Fuselage - Wider
Hats - Steve Eldridge
Olds Prop shaft material
Pilots & Builders
Plans Page numbers
Projects
Ribstitching the Fuselage
Sandblasting
Wing Skin
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| Subject: | Re: Just thinking |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Dave Conrad <dconrad@dwave.net>
For myself I have gathered a photo archive and keep them all with other
emails I feel are important. They come in handy. You guys try to
compare what we are doing with Tailwinds to what the RV guys have.
Remember they have a factory behind them. We do this with our witt.
That makes a big difference. My feeling would be that anyone that wants
to build a Tailwind has these two news groups along with the yahoo
photo archive. I have been working on my Tailwind for 15 months, it is
very simple to build and everything I want to know is available on the
web or from one of the Sr. builders. (Thanks Jim C.) I don't know what
a manual could have done for me that the newsgroups haven't already
done.
P.S. I put the glass cloth on one side of one wing #1 tonight. It
worked out very well. used 7 oz of resin. Dave Conrad
On Thursday, February 19, 2004, at 09:29 PM, Rcaprd@aol.com wrote:
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com
>
> In a message dated 2/18/04 10:02:08 PM Central Standard Time,
> dmagaw@att.net
> writes:
>
> << Actually, I have had the same idea, and I have been gathering
> e-mails with
> construction tips from those same personages. >>
>
> Dave,
> I've been doing this same thing for quite a while for my own personal
> use, so
> when I get to a particular phase of building the plane, I can refer to
> the
> file and see what questions and answers were published on the internet
> groups.
> So far, I have 83 file topics. Some files are quite large, like the
> WING file
> has 33 pages. I spend WAY too much time on this computer !!
> Chuck Gantzer
>
> These are the file topics:
> Antenna Com and X-pndr
> Building the O&O
> Instrument system
> Insurance
> Wheels & Brakes
> Ailerons and Flaps
> Floats - Ski's
> Fuselage
> Modified 4309
> Oil Cooler Position
> Peoples Thoughts
> Performance
> Stabilizer
> W8 - W10 Differences
> Weight and Balance
> 4 Place Tailwind Big X
> Boot Cowl
> Buttercup
> Carb
> Carbon Fiber Stuff
> Cowling
> Doors
> Electrical
> Elevator Pushrod
> Elevator
> Engine O-320
> Engine Rotary
> Engine Baffles
> Engine Mount
> Engine Stuff
> Exhaust Systems
> Firewall
> Fresh Air Vents
> Gas
> Hardware
> IFR Homebuilts
> Info
> Jacking Methods
> Landing Gear
> Mags
> Metal Wings
> Noise Reduction
> Nosewheel
> Panel
> Props & Spinners
> Radio's & ELT's
> Registration
> Rudder & Pedals
> Seats
> Spec's & other Info
> Steel Tubing & Material list
> Stringers
> Struts
> Tailwheel
> Times
> Trim System
> W10 Wingtip
> Welding
> Wheel Pants
> Windshield & Sealant
> Wing Fiberglass
> Wing Incidence
> Wing Questions
> Wing Tanks
> Wing
> Accidents
> Cockpit
> Construction Costs
> Control Stick
> Fuel Pump
> Engine Rebuilding
> Fuel Tank
> Fuselage - Wider
> Hats - Steve Eldridge
> Olds Prop shaft material
> Pilots & Builders
> Plans Page numbers
> Projects
> Ribstitching the Fuselage
> Sandblasting
> Wing Skin
>
>
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