---------------------------------------------------------- Tailwind-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 02/19/04: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:31 AM - Re: Just thinking (DaveM) 2. 09:01 AM - fuselage control openings (john) 3. 09:26 AM - Re: fuselage control openings (Jim Clement) 4. 09:35 AM - Re: fuselage control openings (168x@merr.com) 5. 09:40 AM - Re: Re: Doors (Eric Schlanser) 6. 11:30 AM - Re: Re: Doors (Jim Clement) 7. 11:37 AM - (Louis Owen) 8. 11:43 AM - Tailwind "Unofficial Builders Manual" (Rich Ellis) 9. 01:48 PM - Re: Tailwind "Unofficial Builders Manual" (Luc H.) 10. 07:30 PM - Re: Just thinking (Rcaprd@aol.com) 11. 09:11 PM - Re: Just thinking (Dave Conrad) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:21 AM PST US From: "DaveM" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Just thinking --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "DaveM" All the RV'ers have at least two lists per model, can't let them upstage us!! I realize it helps to have a computer (not a mac) that is more compatible with other lists ; ) Case is still restless. Dave do not archive > > Yeah...... Like we should stick to one GOOD list....One that has an archive > with a life expectancy of Forever. > Resting my case......Again, > Weav ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:01:23 AM PST US From: "john" Subject: Tailwind-List: fuselage control openings --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" Jim; Do you put an extra layer of fabric where the flap-aileron and the elevator horn tube goes thru fabric. JohnD ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:06 AM PST US From: "Jim Clement" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: fuselage control openings --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim Clement" Yes ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" Subject: Tailwind-List: fuselage control openings > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" > > Jim; Do you put an extra layer of fabric where the flap-aileron and the > elevator horn tube goes thru fabric. JohnD > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:20 AM PST US From: "168x@merr.com" <168x@merr.com> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: fuselage control openings --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "168x@merr.com" <168x@merr.com> Original Message: ----------------- From: Jim Clement jc168x@tds.net Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: fuselage control openings --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim Clement" Yes ----- Original Message ----- From: "john" Subject: Tailwind-List: fuselage control openings > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" > > Jim; Do you put an extra layer of fabric where the flap-aileron and the > elevator horn tube goes thru fabric. JohnD > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:40:07 AM PST US From: Eric Schlanser Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: Doors Jim, Thanks for the tip. Two urethane companies' tech advisors stongly advised me to use their proprietary urethane primers. The TrueValue man said nobody ever asked for the urethane primer before. He can special order it for $35. If I am not going to glue the acrylic in, I may just use the same structural epoxy I used on the aluminum flaps and ailerons. I already have it, Aeropoxy ES 6279 Structural Adhesive. Eric Jim Clement wrote: Etch and prime the aluminum where you are going to glue it with epoxy primer. Then, using urethane primer is a good idea before the w/s adhesive calk is used. Also some countersink pop rivets should be used. Don't use it to glue in the windows, you will have a mess that cannot be cleaned up. Jim C ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Schlanser Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Doors Jim, When bonding the aluminum door skins to aluminum door frames, I think I remember you have said you use auto glass urethane adhesive. Do you use urethane adhesive primer first or just the adhesive as is? Also, do you also use it to glue in the acrylic? Eric - still making doors in Kalamazoo From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com>Subject: Re: DoorsDate: Nov 19, 2003 Make the outside of the door to match the outside of the jam, the door is convex as is the rear door post if faired out. Jim C --------------------------------- --------------------------------- ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:30:17 AM PST US From: "Jim Clement" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: Doors Eric, use the Aeropoxy. A auto glass shop should have the urethane primer for about $10.00 if needed. Jim C ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Schlanser To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, February 19, 2004 10:39 AM Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: Doors Jim, Thanks for the tip. Two urethane companies' tech advisors stongly advised me to use their proprietary urethane primers. The TrueValue man said nobody ever asked for the urethane primer before. He can special order it for $35. If I am not going to glue the acrylic in, I may just use the same structural epoxy I used on the aluminum flaps and ailerons. I already have it, Aeropoxy ES 6279 Structural Adhesive. Eric Jim Clement wrote: Etch and prime the aluminum where you are going to glue it with epoxy primer. Then, using urethane primer is a good idea before the w/s adhesive calk is used. Also some countersink pop rivets should be used. Don't use it to glue in the windows, you will have a mess that cannot be cleaned up. Jim C ----- Original Message ----- From: Eric Schlanser To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2004 2:45 PM Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Doors Jim, When bonding the aluminum door skins to aluminum door frames, I think I remember you have said you use auto glass urethane adhesive. Do you use urethane adhesive primer first or just the adhesive as is? Also, do you also use it to glue in the acrylic? Eric - still making doors in Kalamazoo From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> Subject: Re: Doors Date: Nov 19, 2003 Make the outside of the door to match the outside of the jam, the door is convex as is the rear door post if faired out. Jim C ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:37:23 AM PST US From: "Louis Owen" Subject: Tailwind-List: American Tailwinder builders take note on how fortunate you are to be able to build your aircraft as you now can. Lou The worst example of government control can be seen at today's Aero News Network. Go to: http://aero-news.net/index.cfm?ContentBlockIDc64fe8d9-88cf-44bd-95bd-e6a6dde1fc96& and take a look at what happened to a poor Vietnamese farmer who built a helicopter. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:02 AM PST US From: Rich Ellis Subject: Tailwind-List: Tailwind "Unofficial Builders Manual" --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rich Ellis Luc ....... Perhaps you can step up to the plate and accept the task offered by Dav. I would venture to bet most would like to see an "Unofficial Builders Manual" for the Tailwind. Although it should be completed in the same Wittman philosophy: Simple, light, ...... Only my opinion. Rich E --- dmagaw@att.net wrote: > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: dmagaw@att.net > > Actually, I have had the same idea, and I have been > gathering e-mails with construction tips from those > same personages. I have a lot of them in a couple > of Word documents, in no particular organization. I > been thinking that this may be a project that I may > do when I retire, but that seems to be a number of > years off still. I would be happy to give it to > anyone who would undertake the task of organizing a > "builder's manual" of sorts. Actually a purusal of > the archives of the two e-mail lists will give any > builder a lot of information on just about all > aspects of building a tailwind, but it is a tedious > way to get the information. > Dave > > > > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Tailwind-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > > > > ===== Richard L. Ellis, M.D. Gundersen Lutheran Health System Co-Director Norma J. Vinger Center for Breast Care 1900 South Avenue La Crosse, WI 54601 800.362.9567, ext. 52102 rjrellis@yahoo.com __________________________________ http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 01:48:17 PM PST US From: "Luc H." <4luc@sbcglobal.net> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Tailwind "Unofficial Builders Manual" --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Luc H." <4luc@sbcglobal.net> If I put together a builders manual, it would be like the blind leading the blind. Whoever puts this together should have built at least one Tailwind. Luc ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Ellis" Subject: Tailwind-List: Tailwind "Unofficial Builders Manual" --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rich Ellis Luc ....... Perhaps you can step up to the plate and accept the task offered by Dav. I would venture to bet most would like to see an "Unofficial Builders Manual" for the Tailwind. Although it should be completed in the same Wittman philosophy: Simple, light, ...... Only my opinion. Rich E --- dmagaw@att.net wrote: > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: dmagaw@att.net > > Actually, I have had the same idea, and I have been > gathering e-mails with construction tips from those > same personages. I have a lot of them in a couple > of Word documents, in no particular organization. I > been thinking that this may be a project that I may > do when I retire, but that seems to be a number of > years off still. I would be happy to give it to > anyone who would undertake the task of organizing a > "builder's manual" of sorts. Actually a purusal of > the archives of the two e-mail lists will give any > builder a lot of information on just about all > aspects of building a tailwind, but it is a tedious > way to get the information. > Dave > > > Contributions > any other > Forums. > > http://www.matronics.com/chat > > http://www.matronics.com/subscription > http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/Tailwind-List.htm > http://www.matronics.com/archives > http://www.matronics.com/photoshare > http://www.matronics.com/emaillists > > ===== Richard L. Ellis, M.D. Gundersen Lutheran Health System Co-Director Norma J. Vinger Center for Breast Care 1900 South Avenue La Crosse, WI 54601 800.362.9567, ext. 52102 rjrellis@yahoo.com __________________________________ http://antispam.yahoo.com/tools ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:30:06 PM PST US From: Rcaprd@aol.com Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Just thinking --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com In a message dated 2/18/04 10:02:08 PM Central Standard Time, dmagaw@att.net writes: << Actually, I have had the same idea, and I have been gathering e-mails with construction tips from those same personages. >> Dave, I've been doing this same thing for quite a while for my own personal use, so when I get to a particular phase of building the plane, I can refer to the file and see what questions and answers were published on the internet groups. So far, I have 83 file topics. Some files are quite large, like the WING file has 33 pages. I spend WAY too much time on this computer !! Chuck Gantzer These are the file topics: Antenna Com and X-pndr Building the O&O Instrument system Insurance Wheels & Brakes Ailerons and Flaps Floats - Ski's Fuselage Modified 4309 Oil Cooler Position Peoples Thoughts Performance Stabilizer W8 - W10 Differences Weight and Balance 4 Place Tailwind Big X Boot Cowl Buttercup Carb Carbon Fiber Stuff Cowling Doors Electrical Elevator Pushrod Elevator Engine O-320 Engine Rotary Engine Baffles Engine Mount Engine Stuff Exhaust Systems Firewall Fresh Air Vents Gas Hardware IFR Homebuilts Info Jacking Methods Landing Gear Mags Metal Wings Noise Reduction Nosewheel Panel Props & Spinners Radio's & ELT's Registration Rudder & Pedals Seats Spec's & other Info Steel Tubing & Material list Stringers Struts Tailwheel Times Trim System W10 Wingtip Welding Wheel Pants Windshield & Sealant Wing Fiberglass Wing Incidence Wing Questions Wing Tanks Wing Accidents Cockpit Construction Costs Control Stick Fuel Pump Engine Rebuilding Fuel Tank Fuselage - Wider Hats - Steve Eldridge Olds Prop shaft material Pilots & Builders Plans Page numbers Projects Ribstitching the Fuselage Sandblasting Wing Skin ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:11:35 PM PST US Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Just thinking From: Dave Conrad --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Dave Conrad For myself I have gathered a photo archive and keep them all with other emails I feel are important. They come in handy. You guys try to compare what we are doing with Tailwinds to what the RV guys have. Remember they have a factory behind them. We do this with our witt. That makes a big difference. My feeling would be that anyone that wants to build a Tailwind has these two news groups along with the yahoo photo archive. I have been working on my Tailwind for 15 months, it is very simple to build and everything I want to know is available on the web or from one of the Sr. builders. (Thanks Jim C.) I don't know what a manual could have done for me that the newsgroups haven't already done. P.S. I put the glass cloth on one side of one wing #1 tonight. It worked out very well. used 7 oz of resin. Dave Conrad On Thursday, February 19, 2004, at 09:29 PM, Rcaprd@aol.com wrote: > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rcaprd@aol.com > > In a message dated 2/18/04 10:02:08 PM Central Standard Time, > dmagaw@att.net > writes: > > << Actually, I have had the same idea, and I have been gathering > e-mails with > construction tips from those same personages. >> > > Dave, > I've been doing this same thing for quite a while for my own personal > use, so > when I get to a particular phase of building the plane, I can refer to > the > file and see what questions and answers were published on the internet > groups. > So far, I have 83 file topics. Some files are quite large, like the > WING file > has 33 pages. I spend WAY too much time on this computer !! > Chuck Gantzer > > These are the file topics: > Antenna Com and X-pndr > Building the O&O > Instrument system > Insurance > Wheels & Brakes > Ailerons and Flaps > Floats - Ski's > Fuselage > Modified 4309 > Oil Cooler Position > Peoples Thoughts > Performance > Stabilizer > W8 - W10 Differences > Weight and Balance > 4 Place Tailwind Big X > Boot Cowl > Buttercup > Carb > Carbon Fiber Stuff > Cowling > Doors > Electrical > Elevator Pushrod > Elevator > Engine O-320 > Engine Rotary > Engine Baffles > Engine Mount > Engine Stuff > Exhaust Systems > Firewall > Fresh Air Vents > Gas > Hardware > IFR Homebuilts > Info > Jacking Methods > Landing Gear > Mags > Metal Wings > Noise Reduction > Nosewheel > Panel > Props & Spinners > Radio's & ELT's > Registration > Rudder & Pedals > Seats > Spec's & other Info > Steel Tubing & Material list > Stringers > Struts > Tailwheel > Times > Trim System > W10 Wingtip > Welding > Wheel Pants > Windshield & Sealant > Wing Fiberglass > Wing Incidence > Wing Questions > Wing Tanks > Wing > Accidents > Cockpit > Construction Costs > Control Stick > Fuel Pump > Engine Rebuilding > Fuel Tank > Fuselage - Wider > Hats - Steve Eldridge > Olds Prop shaft material > Pilots & Builders > Plans Page numbers > Projects > Ribstitching the Fuselage > Sandblasting > Wing Skin > > > _- > ======================================================================= > > _- > ======================================================================= > > _- > ======================================================================= > > _- > ======================================================================= > > > >