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1. 05:21 AM - Windshield Materials (Brian Alley)
2. 06:21 AM - Re: Windshield Materials (Bob Conner)
3. 07:40 AM - Re: Windshield Materials (Earl Luce)
4. 08:37 AM - Re: Windshield Materials (Lovelace, Malcolm)
5. 10:34 AM - acrylic (john)
6. 12:04 PM - Re: Wing glass work (Eric Schlanser)
7. 12:21 PM - Re: Wing glass work (Jim Clement)
8. 01:54 PM - Re: Wing glass work (Eric Schlanser)
9. 03:12 PM - Re: Wing glass work (168x@merr.com)
10. 04:28 PM - Re: Emailing: seats 002 (Richard R. Wells)
11. 05:45 PM - Jim Wright W10 (james wright)
12. 06:20 PM - Re: Emailing: seats 002 (Jim Clement)
13. 06:32 PM - Windscreen (john)
14. 06:46 PM - Re: Wing glass work (Dave Conrad)
15. 06:55 PM - Re: Wing glass work (Dave Conrad)
16. 07:00 PM - Re: Jim Wright W10 (Dave Conrad)
17. 07:17 PM - Re: Wing glass work (Jim Clement)
18. 07:48 PM - Re: Wing glass work (Dave Conrad)
19. 07:57 PM - Re: Wing glass work (Jim Clement)
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| Subject: | Windshield Materials |
TailwindForum <TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com>
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Brian Alley <n320wt@yahoo.com>
I'm about to replace my windshield for the 3rd time in
6 years. I've been using Cellcast Acrylic sheet for
the windshield because it is impervious to fuel
damage. Unfortunatley, it is very prone to cracking.
I'm looking for sound advice from the group. What
works best and who carries it? What should I expect to
pay?
=====
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
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| Subject: | Windshield Materials |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Bob Conner" <bdconner@hotmail.com>
Bryan I used acryllic on mine and I was putting in a new windshield every year,
and would have several cracks stop drilled. I used the polycarbonate the last
time and haven't had acrack yet. That stuff is tough. I cut a piece out of the
windshield around the fuel cap and put fiberglass in there to keep some of the
fuel of the windshield. I try to be very careful fueling and always have a
bottle of water with me just in case of a spill, and I have had several. But so
far no problems with clouding. I ordered a 4x4 piece of Lexan and it was about
$100.00 nearly a year ago. Hope this helps...........Bob 149
From: Brian Alley <N320WT@YAHOO.COM>
Subject: Tailwind-List: Windshield Materials
-- Tailwind-List message posted by: Brian Alley <N320WT@YAHOO.COM>
I'm about to replace my windshield for the 3rd time in
6 years. I've been using Cellcast Acrylic sheet for
the windshield because it is impervious to fuel
damage. Unfortunatley, it is very prone to cracking.
I'm looking for sound advice from the group. What
works best and who carries it? What should I expect to
pay?
=====
BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES
How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
Take off on a romantic weekend or a family adventure to these great U.S. locations.
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| Subject: | Re: Windshield Materials |
Bryan,
I have always used a polycarbonate in 4 TW's , my Buttercup and several other
homebuilt . Never had a crack or any other problems . Make sure you clean with
a clean soft cloth . There are some good plastic cleaners on the market that
work great to keep your windshield looking good and hides the scratches .
From another angle , I put poly in 2 Guppy bi-planes . My old buddy crashed
his on the first flight (long story don't ask ) the windshield folded up like
a window blind......... never broke . But he cheaped out and used plexy in the
side window , it broke like spears and stuck in his neck . That convinced me
!
Earl Luce
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Conner
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 9:21 AM
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Windshield Materials
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Bob Conner"
Bryan I used acryllic on mine and I was putting in a new windshield every year,
and would have several cracks stop drilled. I used the polycarbonate the last
time and haven't had a crack yet. That stuff is tough. I cut a piece out of
the windshield around the fuel cap and put fiberglass in there to keep some of
the fuel of the windshield. I try to be very careful fueling and always have
a bottle of water with me just in case of a spill, and I have had several. But
so far no problems with clouding. I ordered a 4x4 piece of Lexan and it was
about $100.00 nearly a year ago. Hope this helps...........Bob 149
>From: Brian Alley
>Reply-To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
>To: tailwind list T-wind , TailwindForum
>Subject: Tailwind-List: Windshield Materials
>Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 05:21:28 -0800 (PST)
>
>--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Brian Alley
>
>I'm about to replace my windshield for the 3rd time in
>6 years. I've been using Cellcast Acrylic sheet for
>the windshield because it is impervious to fuel
>damage. Unfortunatley, it is very prone to cracking.
>I'm looking for sound advice from the group. What
>works best and who carries it? What should I expect to
>pay?
>
>
>BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
>CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES
>
>How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your neck?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Windshield Materials |
I use the stuff from Airplane Plastics in Tipp City, Ohio. I have no
scratches after 2 years. Call them they are the experts. You need about a
4x4 sheet to do windshield. If he has a piece that size you can buy it for
about $50.00. Like Earl said you have to be careful on what you use to clean
it with. I use Plexi clean the stuff Van's sells and there is a special
cloth made that is used with the Plexi clean. I bought a bag of them at
Oshkosh last year for about $4.00.
Malcolm
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Earl Luce [SMTP:luceair@frontiernet.net]
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 10:46 AM
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Windshield Materials
>
> Bryan,
> I have always used a polycarbonate in 4 TW's , my Buttercup and
> several other homebuilt . Never had a crack or any other problems . Make
> sure you clean with a clean soft cloth . There are some good plastic
> cleaners on the market that work great to keep your windshield looking
> good and hides the scratches .
> From another angle , I put poly in 2 Guppy bi-planes . My old buddy
> crashed his on the first flight (long story don't ask ) the windshield
> folded up like a window blind......... never broke . But he cheaped out
> and used plexy in the side window , it broke like spears and stuck in his
> neck . That convinced me !
> Earl Luce
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Bob Conner <mailto:bdconner@hotmail.com>
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com <mailto:tailwind-list@matronics.com>
>
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 9:21 AM
> Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Windshield Materials
>
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Bob Conner"
>
> Bryan I used acryllic on mine and I was putting in a new windshield
> every year, and would have several cracks stop drilled. I used the
> polycarbonate the last time and haven't had a crack yet. That stuff is
> tough. I cut a piece out of the windshield around the fuel cap and put
> fiberglass in there to keep some of the fuel of the windshield. I try to
> be very careful fueling and always have a bottle of water with me just in
> case of a spill, and I have had several. But so far no problems with
> clouding. I ordered a 4x4 piece of Lexan and it was about $100.00 nearly a
> year ago. Hope this helps...........Bob 149
>
>
>
> >From: Brian Alley
> >Reply-To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> >To: tailwind list T-wind , TailwindForum
> >Subject: Tailwind-List: Windshield Materials
> >Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 05:21:28 -0800 (PST)
> >
> >--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Brian Alley
> >
> >I'm about to replace my windshield for the 3rd time in
> >6 years. I've been using Cellcast Acrylic sheet for
> >the windshield because it is impervious to fuel
> >damage. Unfortunatley, it is very prone to cracking.
> >I'm looking for sound advice from the group. What
> >works best and who carries it? What should I expect to
> >pay?
> >
> >=====
> >BRIAN ALLEY (N320WT)
> >CARBON FIBER COMPOSITES
> >
> >How are you going to win by a nose if you don't stick out your
> neck?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
I picked up a 4x8',sheet in Detroit of acrylic for $34.00, can't beat that
for price. JohnD
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| Subject: | Re: Wing glass work |
Dave, Lookin' good! What did you use to apply to resin with? I read the West System
manual and followed their recommendation to spread the resin initially with
a roller (I used 3/16" nap) followed with a 3" foam brush pulled through the
wet resin chordwise to break any bubbles and level the coat. Worked very well.
Only needed 2 coats.
Eric - in Kalamazoo waiting for warmer weather to apply paint primer to the wings.
Can't decide between urethane or epoxy. Maybe I'll do one of each.
Dave Conrad <dconrad@dwave.net> wrote:
Last evening I put the 1.4oz glass cloth on the top of 1 wing panel.
This morning I put 1 more cote of resin on it and tonight I put the 3rd
cote on. I think it came out real nice. 1st cote used 7oz to adhere the
cloth. 2nd cote used 2oz and cote 1 used about 1.5oz. Dave Conrad
> ATTACHMENT part 2.1 application/applefile name=P2200018.JPG
> ATTACHMENT part 2.2 image/jpg x-mac-creator=0; x-unix-mode=0644; x-mac-type=0;
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| Subject: | Re: Wing glass work |
Eric, put more west on to fill the fiberglass weave. Sand between coats, it adds
less weight and costs less than urethane primer. When it is filled and sanded
smooth, spray one cross coat of urethane primer. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Schlanser
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Wing glass work
Dave, Lookin' good! What did you use to apply to resin with? I read the West
System manual and followed their recommendation to spread the resin initially
with a roller (I used 3/16" nap) followed with a 3" foam brush pulled through
the wet resin chordwise to break any bubbles and level the coat. Worked very
well. Only needed 2 coats.
Eric - in Kalamazoo waiting for warmer weather to apply paint primer to the
wings. Can't decide between urethane or epoxy. Maybe I'll do one of each.
Dave Conrad <dconrad@dwave.net> wrote:
Last evening I put the 1.4oz glass cloth on the top of 1 wing panel.
This morning I put 1 more cote of resin on it and tonight I put the 3rd
cote on. I think it came out real nice. 1st cote used 7oz to adhere the
cloth. 2nd cote used 2oz and cote 1 used about 1.5oz. Dave Conrad
> ATTACHMENT part 2.1 application/applefile nameP2200018.JPG
> ATTACHMENT part 2.2 image/jpg x-mac-creator0; x-unix-mode0644; x-mac-type0;
nameP2200018.JPG
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| Subject: | Re: Wing glass work |
Two coats seemed to fill the weave with the roller and foam brush. Set epoxy has
the hardness of formica and was very hard to sand smooth, but it's smooth now
and the weave is not exposed. You're right, that urethane primer is very costly.
Eric
Jim Clement <jc168x@tds.net> wrote:Eric, put more west on to fill the fiberglass
weave. Sand between coats, it adds less weight and costs less than urethane
primer. When it is filled and sanded smooth, spray one cross coat of urethane
primer. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Schlanser
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Wing glass work
Dave, Lookin' good! What did you use to apply to resin with? I read the West System
manual and followed their recommendation to spread the resin initially with
a roller (I used 3/16" nap) followed with a 3" foam brush pulled through the
wet resin chordwise to break any bubbles and level the coat. Worked very well.
Only needed 2 coats.
Eric - in Kalamazoo waiting for warmer weather to apply paint primer to the wings.
Can't decide between urethane or epoxy. Maybe I'll do one of each.
Dave Conrad <dconrad@dwave.net> wrote:
Last evening I put the 1.4oz glass cloth on the top of 1 wing panel.
This morning I put 1 more cote of resin on it and tonight I put the 3rd
cote on. I think it came out real nice. 1st cote used 7oz to adhere the
cloth. 2nd cote used 2oz and cote 1 used about 1.5oz. Dave Conrad
> ATTACHMENT part 2.1 application/applefile name=P2200018.JPG
> ATTACHMENT part 2.2 image/jpg x-mac-creator=0; x-unix-mode=0644; x-mac-type=0;
name=P2200018.JPG
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| Subject: | Re: Wing glass work |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "168x@merr.com" <168x@merr.com>
After you spray the primer on, using a fast dry spray can of black, fog a
light mist coat over the urethane. This will be a guide coat for sanding.
Sand with 400 grit wet paper until all the black is gone. Jim C
Original Message:
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From: Eric Schlanser eschlanser@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Wing glass work
Two coats seemed to fill the weave with the roller and foam brush. Set
epoxy has the hardness of formica and was very hard to sand smooth, but
it's smooth now and the weave is not exposed. You're right, that urethane
primer is very costly. Eric
Jim Clement <jc168x@tds.net> wrote:Eric, put more west on to fill the
fiberglass weave. Sand between coats, it adds less weight and costs less
than urethane primer. When it is filled and sanded smooth, spray one cross
coat of urethane primer. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Schlanser
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Wing glass work
Dave, Lookin' good! What did you use to apply to resin with? I read the
West System manual and followed their recommendation to spread the resin
initially with a roller (I used 3/16" nap) followed with a 3" foam brush
pulled through the wet resin chordwise to break any bubbles and level the
coat. Worked very well. Only needed 2 coats.
Eric - in Kalamazoo waiting for warmer weather to apply paint primer to
the wings. Can't decide between urethane or epoxy. Maybe I'll do one of
each.
Dave Conrad <dconrad@dwave.net> wrote:
Last evening I put the 1.4oz glass cloth on the top of 1 wing panel.
This morning I put 1 more cote of resin on it and tonight I put the 3rd
cote on. I think it came out real nice. 1st cote used 7oz to adhere the
cloth. 2nd cote used 2oz and cote 1 used about 1.5oz. Dave Conrad
> ATTACHMENT part 2.1 application/applefile name=P2200018.JPG
> ATTACHMENT part 2.2 image/jpg x-mac-creator=0; x-unix-mode=0644;
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| Subject: | Emailing: seats 002 |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Richard R. Wells" <picric@mindspring.com>
Jim C.
Studying this picture for detail on the seat sockets I noticed that there is
an additional member in your frame that isn't shown in the plans.
Located there in the seatbelt attach area on each side. Is that due to a
substitution, seatbelt attach convenience, or is that a lesson learned I
should incorporate in my frame?
Rich Wells
picric@mindspring.com
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim and
Donna Clement
Subject: Tailwind-List: Emailing: seats 002
Holes in bottom of seat rails slip over the bent welded bolt.
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Just to show I a making progress
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| Subject: | Re: Emailing: seats 002 |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim Clement" <jc168x@tds.net>
It gives more support for the floorboards in the center, they are made in
two pieces. My seats rest on the rear part of the floorboard so it needs
more support.
Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard R. Wells" <picric@mindspring.com>
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Emailing: seats 002
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Richard R. Wells"
<picric@mindspring.com>
>
> Jim C.
>
> Studying this picture for detail on the seat sockets I noticed that there
is
> an additional member in your frame that isn't shown in the plans.
>
> Located there in the seatbelt attach area on each side. Is that due to a
> substitution, seatbelt attach convenience, or is that a lesson learned I
> should incorporate in my frame?
>
> Rich Wells
> picric@mindspring.com
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim and
> Donna Clement
> Sent: Wednesday, February 04, 2004 8:37 PM
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Emailing: seats 002
>
>
> Holes in bottom of seat rails slip over the bent welded bolt.
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
Brian; Joe Dixon told me at Oshkosh, that whatever you use for windscreen,
be sure and polish the edges really good. It kind of sounds like the oak
which comes from a small acorn, every crack starts at the tiniest (or
larger) scratch. JohnD
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| Subject: | Re: Wing glass work |
Jim C. When you rub your hand over one of your coated wings can you
hear the sound of the glass cloth yet? Are you saying the weave should
be 100% filled smooth? My wings are filled to the point that I feel I
would need to prime and sand and then re prime and then they would be
ready to paint. Thanks Dave
On Monday, February 23, 2004, at 02:21 PM, Jim Clement wrote:
> Eric, put more west on to fill the fiberglass weave. Sand between
> coats, it adds less weight and costs less than urethane primer. When
> it is filled and sanded smooth, spray one cross coat of urethane
> primer. Jim C
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Eric Schlanser
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 1:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Wing glass work
>
> Dave, Lookin' good! What did you use to apply to resin with? I read
> the West System manual and followed their recommendation to spread the
> resin initially with a roller (I used 3/16" nap) followed with a 3"
> foam brush pulled through the wet resin chordwise to break any bubbles
> and level the coat.Worked very well.=A0Only needed 2 coats.
> Eric - in Kalamazoo waiting for warmerweather to apply paint
> primer=A0to the wings. Can't decide between urethane or epoxy. Maybe
> I'll do one of each.
>
> Dave Conrad <dconrad@dwave.net> wrote:
>
> Last evening I put the 1.4oz glass cloth on the top of 1 wing panel.
> This morning I put 1 more cote of resin on it and tonight I put the 3rd
> cote on. I think it came out real nice. 1st cote used 7oz to adhere the
> cloth. 2nd cote used 2oz and cote 1 used about 1.5oz. Dave Conrad
>
> > ATTACHMENT part 2.1 application/applefile nameP2200018.JPG
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| Subject: | Re: Wing glass work |
Eric, I followed the method that Jim C told me about last summer. All
resin was applied with a squeegee. I have 3 cotes and it looks good.
That last cote only took 1.5 oz of resin. Dave Conrad
On Monday, February 23, 2004, at 02:04 PM, Eric Schlanser wrote:
> Dave, Lookin' good! What did you use to apply to resin with? I read
> the West System manual and followed their recommendation to spread the
> resin initially with a roller (I used 3/16" nap) followed with a 3"
> foam brush pulled through the wet resin chordwise to break any bubbles
> and level the coat.Worked very well.=A0Only needed 2 coats.
> Eric - in Kalamazoo waiting for warmerweather to apply paint
> primer=A0to the wings. Can't decide between urethane or epoxy. Maybe
> I'll do one of each.
>
> Dave Conrad <dconrad@dwave.net> wrote:
>
> Last evening I put the 1.4oz glass cloth on the top of 1 wing panel.
> This morning I put 1 more cote of resin on it and tonight I put the 3rd
> cote on. I think it came out real nice. 1st cote used 7oz to adhere the
> cloth. 2nd cote used 2oz and cote 1 used about 1.5oz. Dave Conrad
>
> > ATTACHMENT part 2.1 application/applefile nameP2200018.JPG
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> > ATTACHMENT part 2.2 image/jpg x-mac-creator0; x-unix-mode0644;
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| Subject: | Re: Jim Wright W10 |
Yes Jim! just like a Hatz but different. Dave Conrad
On Monday, February 23, 2004, at 08:41 PM, james wright wrote:
> Just to show I a making progress=A0
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| Subject: | Re: Wing glass work |
The smoother you get the fiberglass cloth the less primer it will take. At the
stage you are at, squeegee West epoxy over the glass evenly or use a small paint
roller. After curing, lightly sand with 150-180 grit paper and apply another
coat or until the weave is filled. Filling the weave with West takes ounces
on a side where as filling with urethane primer will take two gallons @ $140.00
gallon with catalyst and weighs 12 pounds per gallon.. Another good way is to
use Featherfill, a sprayable polyester primer that has a catalyst added. You
need a spray gun with a large nozzle opening to use this but it can be sanded
very smooth. It can be coated with a automotive type sealer and color coated.
Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Conrad
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Wing glass work
Jim C. When you rub your hand over one of your coated wings can you hear the
sound of the glass cloth yet? Are you saying the weave should be 100% filled smooth?
My wings are filled to the point that I feel I would need to prime and
sand and then re prime and then they would be ready to paint. Thanks Dave
On Monday, February 23, 2004, at 02:21 PM, Jim Clement wrote:
Eric, put more west on to fill the fiberglass weave. Sand between coats, it
adds less weight and costs less than urethane primer. When it is filled and sanded
smooth, spray one cross coat of urethane primer. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Schlanser
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Wing glass work
Dave, Lookin' good! What did you use to apply to resin with? I read the West
System manual and followed their recommendation to spread the resin initially
with a roller (I used 3/16" nap) followed with a 3" foam brush pulled through
the wet resin chordwise to break any bubbles and level the coat. Worked very
well. Only needed 2 coats.
Eric - in Kalamazoo waiting for warmer weather to apply paint primer to the
wings. Can't decide between urethane or epoxy. Maybe I'll do one of each.
Dave Conrad <dconrad@dwave.net> wrote:
Last evening I put the 1.4oz glass cloth on the top of 1 wing panel.
This morning I put 1 more cote of resin on it and tonight I put the 3rd
cote on. I think it came out real nice. 1st cote used 7oz to adhere the
cloth. 2nd cote used 2oz and cote 1 used about 1.5oz. Dave Conrad
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OK, Jim, I was thinking about finishing and painting the wings with
auto paint. See any problems with that? You told me I should paint my
hinges red so I was thinking Viper red and white
On Monday, February 23, 2004, at 09:17 PM, Jim Clement wrote:
> The smoother you get the fiberglass=A0cloth the less primer it will
> take. At the stage you are at, squeegee West epoxy over the glass
> evenly or use a small paint roller. After curing, lightly sand with
> 150-180 grit paper and apply another coat or until the weave is
> filled. Filling the weave with West takes ounces on a side where as
> filling with urethane primer will take two gallons @ $140.00 gallon
> with catalyst and weighs 12 pounds per gallon.. Another good way is to
> use Featherfill, a sprayable polyester primer that has a catalyst
> added. You need a spray gun with a large nozzle opening to use this
> but it can be sanded very smooth. It can be coated with a automotive
> type sealer and color coated.=A0 Jim C
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Dave Conrad
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 7:48 PM
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Wing glass work
>
> Jim C. When you rub your hand over one of your coated wings can you
> hear the sound of the glass cloth yet? Are you saying the weave should
> be 100% filled smooth? My wings are filled to the point that I feel I
> would need to prime and sand and then re prime and then they would be
> ready to paint. Thanks Dave
> On Monday, February 23, 2004, at 02:21 PM, Jim Clement wrote:
>
> Eric, put more west on to fill the fiberglass weave. Sand between
> coats, it adds less weight and costs less than urethane primer. When
> it is filled and sanded smooth, spray one cross coat of urethane
> primer. Jim C
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Eric Schlanser
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 1:04 PM
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Wing glass work
>
> Dave, Lookin' good! What did you use to apply to resin with? I read
> the West System manual and followed their recommendation to spread the
> resin initially with a roller (I used 3/16" nap) followed with a 3"
> foam brush pulled through the wet resin chordwise to break any bubbles
> and level the coat.Worked very well.=A0Only needed 2 coats.
> Eric - in Kalamazoo waiting for warmerweather to apply paint
> primer=A0to the wings. Can't decide between urethane or epoxy. Maybe
> I'll do one of each.
>
> Dave Conrad <dconrad@dwave.net> wrote:
>
> Last evening I put the 1.4oz glass cloth on the top of 1 wing panel.
> This morning I put 1 more cote of resin on it and tonight I put the 3rd
> cote on. I think it came out real nice. 1st cote used 7oz to adhere the
> cloth. 2nd cote used 2oz and cote 1 used about 1.5oz. Dave Conrad
>
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Sounds good Dave, nothing prettier than Viper Red.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Conrad
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 8:51 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Wing glass work
OK, Jim, I was thinking about finishing and painting the wings with auto paint.
See any problems with that? You told me I should paint my hinges red so I was
thinking Viper red and white
On Monday, February 23, 2004, at 09:17 PM, Jim Clement wrote:
The smoother you get the fiberglass cloth the less primer it will take. At
the stage you are at, squeegee West epoxy over the glass evenly or use a small
paint roller. After curing, lightly sand with 150-180 grit paper and apply another
coat or until the weave is filled. Filling the weave with West takes ounces
on a side where as filling with urethane primer will take two gallons @ $140.00
gallon with catalyst and weighs 12 pounds per gallon.. Another good way
is to use Featherfill, a sprayable polyester primer that has a catalyst added.
You need a spray gun with a large nozzle opening to use this but it can be sanded
very smooth. It can be coated with a automotive type sealer and color coated.
Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: Dave Conrad
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 7:48 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Wing glass work
Jim C. When you rub your hand over one of your coated wings can you hear the
sound of the glass cloth yet? Are you saying the weave should be 100% filled
smooth? My wings are filled to the point that I feel I would need to prime and
sand and then re prime and then they would be ready to paint. Thanks Dave
On Monday, February 23, 2004, at 02:21 PM, Jim Clement wrote:
Eric, put more west on to fill the fiberglass weave. Sand between coats, it
adds less weight and costs less than urethane primer. When it is filled and sanded
smooth, spray one cross coat of urethane primer. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: Eric Schlanser
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, February 23, 2004 1:04 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Wing glass work
Dave, Lookin' good! What did you use to apply to resin with? I read the West
System manual and followed their recommendation to spread the resin initially
with a roller (I used 3/16" nap) followed with a 3" foam brush pulled through
the wet resin chordwise to break any bubbles and level the coat. Worked very
well. Only needed 2 coats.
Eric - in Kalamazoo waiting for warmer weather to apply paint primer to the
wings. Can't decide between urethane or epoxy. Maybe I'll do one of each.
Dave Conrad <dconrad@dwave.net> wrote:
Last evening I put the 1.4oz glass cloth on the top of 1 wing panel.
This morning I put 1 more cote of resin on it and tonight I put the 3rd
cote on. I think it came out real nice. 1st cote used 7oz to adhere the
cloth. 2nd cote used 2oz and cote 1 used about 1.5oz. Dave Conrad
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