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1. 03:59 AM - Re: IFR Panel (William Bernard)
2. 06:38 AM - Re: IFR Panel (CarRxW10@aol.com)
3. 07:10 AM - Re: IFR Panel (Earl Luce)
4. 07:47 AM - Re: IFR Panel (Luc H.)
5. 07:50 AM - Re: IFR Panel (DaveM)
6. 08:10 AM - Re: IFR Panel (Fred Weaver)
7. 10:39 AM - Re: IFR Panel (George Turner)
8. 11:41 AM - Re: IFR Panel (Richard Lamb)
9. 11:49 AM - Re: Comm in a bag? (Richard Lamb)
10. 12:58 PM - Re landing gear (james wright)
11. 01:21 PM - Re: TW landing gear (Kenneth Graves)
12. 01:31 PM - Re: Comm in a bag? (Kenneth Graves)
13. 01:40 PM - Re: IFR Panel (IslPilot@aol.com)
14. 01:43 PM - Re: IFR Panel (IslPilot@aol.com)
15. 01:45 PM - Re: IFR Panel (IslPilot@aol.com)
16. 03:37 PM - Re: TW landing gear (Hjelle)
17. 04:21 PM - Re: IFR Panel (CarRxW10@aol.com)
18. 05:40 PM - Tailwind Times Subscription (Jerry Hey)
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Paul, how much room does the Dynon unit take behind the panel, including the connectors
and all? I want to put in gyros at some point and space behind the panel
becomes an issue.
That panel looks really good.
Bill
N40WB
----- Original Message -----
From: IslPilot@aol.com
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: IFR Panel
RJ:
The Dynon is completely self contained except for the angle of attack sensor/heated
pitot and the remote magnetic sensor which is optional and used only if
you have too much magnetic interference. I thought I would probably need it
with the tube construction of the Tailwind but they indicated that I could probably
compensate it out and to try it first. Believe me its all there and readable
and seems pretty rugged for $1995. I opted for the internal battery backup
which gives you an additional 2 hours with a power loss. Everyone that comes
in the shop has to play with it and the battery has not died in three months..yet.
On the Lightspeed Plasma III you get the small digital display screen with the
variable timing advance rheostat. It came prewired and now I have space so
I figured no big deal, but you are correct in that it could have been wired through
the EIS.
Today I will get more involved with wiring the pin connectors for the Dynon and
the EIS. Got distracted wet sanding my wings for the one man body shop close
by. They are getting a Super Canary Yellow You Better Be Able to See Me Now
Paint Job, after this summer where my buddies would not see me and scare me
by turning in to me with the plane's pretty much all white paint job when I came
up alongside them flying.
Paul
N557CL
Charlevoix, MI
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Hey guys, I like this system, and would like to use one in my plane, but my
concern is, what happens in a complete power failure? seems ALL is lost. one
should have a redundent system somewhere.
Alex
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Paul,
How deep is the Dynon ? Will it fit in the panel at the point where the gas
tank is behind it ?
Earl Luce
----- Original Message -----
From: William Bernard
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: IFR Panel
Paul, how much room does the Dynon unit take behind the panel, including the
connectors and all? I want to put in gyros at some point and space behind the
panel becomes an issue.
That panel looks really good.
Bill
N40WB
----- Original Message -----
From: IslPilot@aol.com
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: IFR Panel
RJ:
The Dynon is completely self contained except for the angle of attack sensor/heated
pitot and the remote magnetic sensor which is optional and used only
if you have too much magnetic interference. I thought I would probably need it
with the tube construction of the Tailwind but they indicated that I could probably
compensate it out and to try it first. Believe me its all there and readable
and seems pretty rugged for $1995. I opted for the internal battery backup
which gives you an additional 2 hours with a power loss. Everyone that
comes in the shop has to play with it and the battery has not died in three months..yet.
On the Lightspeed Plasma III you get the small digital display screen with
the variable timing advance rheostat. It came prewired and now I have space so
I figured no big deal, but you are correct in that it could have been wired
through the EIS.
Today I will get more involved with wiring the pin connectors for the Dynon
and the EIS. Got distracted wet sanding my wings for the one man body shop close
by. They are getting a Super Canary Yellow You Better Be Able to See Me
Now Paint Job, after this summer where my buddies would not see me and scare me
by turning in to me with the plane's pretty much all white paint job when I
came up alongside them flying.
Paul
N557CL
Charlevoix, MI
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Go to http://www.dynondevelopment.com/docs/efis-d10_dimensions.html for dimensions.
----- Original Message -----
From: Earl Luce
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: IFR Panel
Paul,
How deep is the Dynon ? Will it fit in the panel at the point where the gas
tank is behind it ?
Earl Luce
----- Original Message -----
From: William Bernard
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 7:01 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: IFR Panel
Paul, how much room does the Dynon unit take behind the panel, including the
connectors and all? I want to put in gyros at some point and space behind the
panel becomes an issue.
That panel looks really good.
Bill
N40WB
----- Original Message -----
From: IslPilot@aol.com
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 03, 2004 7:11 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: IFR Panel
RJ:
The Dynon is completely self contained except for the angle of attack sensor/heated
pitot and the remote magnetic sensor which is optional and used only
if you have too much magnetic interference. I thought I would probably need
it with the tube construction of the Tailwind but they indicated that I could
probably compensate it out and to try it first. Believe me its all there and
readable and seems pretty rugged for $1995. I opted for the internal battery
backup which gives you an additional 2 hours with a power loss. Everyone that
comes in the shop has to play with it and the battery has not died in three
months..yet.
On the Lightspeed Plasma III you get the small digital display screen with
the variable timing advance rheostat. It came prewired and now I have space
so I figured no big deal, but you are correct in that it could have been wired
through the EIS.
Today I will get more involved with wiring the pin connectors for the Dynon
and the EIS. Got distracted wet sanding my wings for the one man body shop
close by. They are getting a Super Canary Yellow You Better Be Able to See Me
Now Paint Job, after this summer where my buddies would not see me and scare
me by turning in to me with the plane's pretty much all white paint job when
I came up alongside them flying.
Paul
N557CL
Charlevoix, MI
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Well you know what they say about "fly the plane!"
dave
----- Original Message -----
From: CarRxW10@aol.com
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 6:37 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: IFR Panel
Hey guys, I like this system, and would like to use one in my plane, but my concern
is, what happens in a complete power failure? seems ALL is lost. one should
have a redundent system somewhere.
Alex
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
RJ.... Dynon works pretty good BUT you will be thrilled with the GRT EFIS!
----- Original Message -----
From: "RJ" <gatsby8898@yahoo.com>
Subject: Tailwind-List: IFR Panel
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: RJ <gatsby8898@yahoo.com>
>
> Paul, your instrument panel is very interesting. I
> have a couple questions:
> I find it difficult to believe the Dynon D-10 can
> replace the attitude gyro, DG, VSI, airspeed,
> altimeter, and T&B for under $2000. I went to the
> Dynon website but could find no price.
> I am leaning toward the EFIS from Grand Rapids
> Technologies as it can be built up in stages. But, the
> price of the air data computer, (and external
> magnetometer), alone, (necessary to replace gyros), is
> $5000. How does the Dynon D-10 get it's information?
> Why didn't you do away with the Lightspeed engine
> timing screen, and use one of the auxiliary inputs of
> the FIS, the timing to appear on that screen?
> Understand I'm not being critical, just jealous. :-0
> RJ
>
> __________________________________
> http://search.yahoo.com
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: George Turner <tailwind222@yahoo.com>
The EFIS-D10 connects to standard 12 or 28-volt
electrical power and optionally contains a
rechargeable emergency battery (available at an
additional $129.00).
--- DaveM <dmagaw@att.net> wrote:
> Well you know what they say about "fly the
> plane!"
> dave
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: CarRxW10@aol.com
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 6:37 AM
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: IFR Panel
>
>
> Hey guys, I like this system, and would like
> to use one in my plane, but my concern is, what
> happens in a complete power failure? seems ALL
> is lost. one should have a redundent system
> somewhere.
> Alex
__________________________________
http://search.yahoo.com
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb <n6228l@earthlink.net>
George Turner wrote:
>
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: George Turner <tailwind222@yahoo.com>
>
> The EFIS-D10 connects to standard 12 or 28-volt
> electrical power and optionally contains a
> rechargeable emergency battery (available at an
> additional $129.00).
>
That's all well and good, George, but add an external gell cell
back up battery for true redundancy.
It's important in an all electric airplane.
Run the avionics buss power through a DPDT switch to select main power
or
backup battery. (one pole for power, the other for a LARGE LED).
The battery needs to be big enough to handle the desired
electrical load for as long as the fuel supply lasts.
What does all that stuff add up to for current draw?
Also, I had a lead on a small 8 amp alternator that fits on
the Lycomin' vacuum drive.
Eight amps won't run the whole show,but it could be used to keep
essential equipment alive long enough to get down.
Richard
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| Subject: | Re: Comm in a bag? |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb <n6228l@earthlink.net>
TW Listers...
This came up in response to George's all electric airplane.
(It's fabulous George, but way beyond my pay grade!)
I think I'll post this to RAH, but wanted to give credit where due.
Happy landings...
Richard
A unique solution for airplanes _without_ electrical systems
After a couple of long cross countries in slow OLD airplanes,
we've come up with a novel solution for handling hand held radios.
Flying with a hand held can be a little more interesting that with
built in radios.
First, there is a lot more to a com system than just a hand held.
Headsets are necessary.
Intercom box, Noise canceling box!,
lots of spaghetti wiring strung all over the cockpit...
On a whim I bought a nice blue diaper bag at WallMart for $9.95.
A 7 amp-hr gell cell goes in first. This battery will last for
several days on a charge, depending on how much transmitting is done.
Leo's is a 12 AH version that fits the bag width perfectly.
Then a plastic snap-closed box that fits the bottom of the bag to lock
the battery in place.
A compact 3 outlet 12 volt socket was modified by cutting off the plug
andinstalling terminals that fit the battery.
The radio, GPS, and one something else can be plugged in at the same
time.
The radio goes in one of the two outside (bottle?) pockets for quick
and easy access.
(The system can be upgraded to dual comms by stuffing another hand held
in the other pocket. ;)
Small stuff goes in the bottom box. Misc cables, AA batteries for the
radio and LED flash light (commonality), small battery charger, vom...
The Press To Talk switch sounds like a Good Thing, and really is,
but it's an inquisitive octopus that likes to crawl into everything.
A couple of velcro straps to hold it in shape, the whole wirey
mess stuffs into the baby bottle cozy and is completely contained.
Just plug it in if you want it and push the little red button to talk.
Note that EVERYTHING can pack into the diaper bag so that nothing
goes adrift on long trips.
Two sets of Lightspeed headsets, intercom, battery, gps, charts,
flight plan, log books, etc.
The big pocket on the back will hold several charts and still
zip shut. But not with all the charts I have in there right now...
I don't have one yet, but a plastic box with a power switch would
be a nice improvement. Right now, I just unplug the battery.
Life is good, flying is sweet, but I wonder about getting strandes
somewhere and having to take a commercial airline ride home.
Any guesses as to how airport security would react to my diaper bag?
Richard
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For the tail wheel I am useing Van's Aircraft Tail wheel assembly,under 2 hundred
dollars.
Note ,no bend in lower longeron, as far as i can tell that was for a flat spring
setup. Note, small streamline tubeing on rudder trailing edge
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| Subject: | Re: TW landing gear |
The Titanium used by the Sonex is just a rod no machining. It has an axel that
bolts on for the wheels. You drill two holes that's it. Neat stuff . All we need
is some one to calculate what thickness rod we need. Where are are engineers?
Ken
red <redswings@reds-headers.com> wrote:
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "red"
Titanium sounds real good.
Red
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bob Triplett"
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: TW landing gear
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Bob Triplett
>
>
> Under stand 6150 may not be possible. Has any one looked into the cost
> of titanium. It is expensive but much lighter. It is being used on
> some cessna replacements under and STC. It might be a better choice all
> around???
>
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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| Subject: | Re: Comm in a bag? |
When are they going to come up with a portable Mode C?
Ken
Richard Lamb <n6228l@earthlink.net> wrote:
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb
TW Listers...
This came up in response to George's all electric airplane.
(It's fabulous George, but way beyond my pay grade!)
I think I'll post this to RAH, but wanted to give credit where due.
Happy landings...
Richard
A unique solution for airplanes _without_ electrical systems
After a couple of long cross countries in slow OLD airplanes,
we've come up with a novel solution for handling hand held radios.
Flying with a hand held can be a little more interesting that with
built in radios.
First, there is a lot more to a com system than just a hand held.
Headsets are necessary.
Intercom box, Noise canceling box!,
lots of spaghetti wiring strung all over the cockpit...
On a whim I bought a nice blue diaper bag at WallMart for $9.95.
A 7 amp-hr gell cell goes in first. This battery will last for
several days on a charge, depending on how much transmitting is done.
Leo's is a 12 AH version that fits the bag width perfectly.
Then a plastic snap-closed box that fits the bottom of the bag to lock
the battery in place.
A compact 3 outlet 12 volt socket was modified by cutting off the plug
andinstalling terminals that fit the battery.
The radio, GPS, and one something else can be plugged in at the same
time.
The radio goes in one of the two outside (bottle?) pockets for quick
and easy access.
(The system can be upgraded to dual comms by stuffing another hand held
in the other pocket. ;)
Small stuff goes in the bottom box. Misc cables, AA batteries for the
radio and LED flash light (commonality), small battery charger, vom...
The Press To Talk switch sounds like a Good Thing, and really is,
but it's an inquisitive octopus that likes to crawl into everything.
A couple of velcro straps to hold it in shape, the whole wirey
mess stuffs into the baby bottle cozy and is completely contained.
Just plug it in if you want it and push the little red button to talk.
Note that EVERYTHING can pack into the diaper bag so that nothing
goes adrift on long trips.
Two sets of Lightspeed headsets, intercom, battery, gps, charts,
flight plan, log books, etc.
The big pocket on the back will hold several charts and still
zip shut. But not with all the charts I have in there right now...
I don't have one yet, but a plastic box with a power switch would
be a nice improvement. Right now, I just unplug the battery.
Life is good, flying is sweet, but I wonder about getting strandes
somewhere and having to take a commercial airline ride home.
Any guesses as to how airport security would react to my diaper bag?
Richard
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Bill:
8" from the back of the panel to the rear of the pitot/static lines on the
Dynon.
I can take a pic if you need it.
Paul
N557CL
Charlevoix, MI
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Alex,
the Dynon is completely self contained and even has the 2 hour internal
battery. I would not be concerned for VFR but put in the conventional A/S, T&B
&
Altimeter as backups for the IFR.
Paul
N557CL
Charlevoix,MI
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Earl:
Just measured for Bill. 8" is good. I have mine 1/2 above the top of the
fuel tank. You might be able to get away with 7.5" with tighter fittings than
I
used.
Paul
N557CL
Charlevoix, MI
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| Subject: | Re: TW landing gear |
Titanium did not work when we tried it 35 years ago. Perhaps some
dimensional changes would make it workable, but it was too springy built
to plans. It never got past
A fast taxi before the wheels looked like a two foot oblong blur
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Paul, I guess my real concern was "what if" an internal component failed
would you still have partial panel or would the whole thing just quit? I am
guessing that it would probably depend on what failed. Still I think it is really
neat and weight saving. I plan on flying VFR anyway, but you can sometimes get
caught in some nasty stuff, increased "PUCKER FACTOR" If you know what I mean,
and that is usually when things go awrey.
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Keeping track of subscriptions, sending out reminders and so on, is no
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