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1. 05:03 AM - Re: The fastest Tailwind (Rick and Cindy)
2. 06:15 AM - Re: The fastest Tailwind (DaveM)
3. 06:27 AM - Re: The fastest Tailwind (Rick and Cindy)
4. 07:47 AM - (James E. Wagner Jr.)
5. 08:15 AM - Re: (Rick and Cindy)
6. 08:39 AM - Re: Goin' Racin'? (Fred Weaver)
7. 08:48 AM - Re: (DaveM)
8. 09:11 AM - Re: Re: Goin' Racin'? (Luc H.)
9. 10:50 AM - Re: Re: Lift Strut Clevis Fitting (Fred Weaver)
10. 03:59 PM - Re: Re: Goin' Racin'? (Jerry Hey)
11. 04:20 PM - Re: (Kevin Benziger)
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| Subject: | Re: The fastest Tailwind |
Red: Well, you're in the right part of the country!! Wouldn't it be neat if we
could race in the spirit that Wittman did, ya know, like the History channel says,
he continued to be competitive in airplanes that had no right to be there,
or something like that. It would be too much to cross the finish line in front
of all those expensive plastic airplanes in a tube and rag Tailwind.
Rick
N241SW
----- Original Message -----
From: red
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 11:41 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: The fastest Tailwind
Way to go Rick. Can I be on your pit crew?
Red
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick and Cindy
To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com ; Tailwind Discussion
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 8:07 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: The fastest Tailwind
I've been trying not to discuss this with the group, but I just can't stand
it anymore. Clement will probably tell me I must stop having these bad nightmares.
Been thinkin' about a fast Tailwind. I don't mean 200 or 250, I mean over 350
mph.
The airplane will be a modified Tailwind with some features of the O-O, and
some that haven't been seen before on a Tailwind. The powerplant would need to
be an aluminum small block Chevy of 400 or so cubes and 400 or so hp with a
Geschwender redrive, or a large Lycoming or Continental. Kind of leanin' toward
the Chevy, as lots of hp can be had relatively inexpensively. The prop could
be a three blade, maybe off a Cessna 421, a large 4 blade would be even better,
if the Chevy/redrive were used, it would probably have to be an electric. The
prop would have to be big, hence the O-O gear, which is easier to set up higher
than the round rod. The fuselage would be narrowed slightly, the pilot would
be moved back a bay for CG, and it would be single place. Instruments and
radios would be minimal, fuel tank need not be huge, and could be moved to the
rear a couple of feet.
This airplane would exist for one reason: To win the Sport Class at Reno.
Why? Number one, 'cause there should be a Wittman airplane in any race. Two,
'cause I was readin' the rules, not much to it, except entries are limited to
production kits of 5 or more flying, EXCEPT! for Long-Ezes. This really pissed
me off!! The very idea, an exception for a backwards plastic airplane, and
the very fast Wittman Tailwind excluded.
So, here's the plan. I'm not going to say a word about it until I get O-O to
OSH going about 250 or so, then I'm going to shame them into letting us enter
a Wittman design!!
My engineer and mechanic buddies already have the thing takin' the checkered!!
Somehow, it's just gotta be done. Wouldn't it just be down right nasty great
to clean those Lancair's clocks, even with our little gears hangin' out in
the breeze?!
Rick
N241SW
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| Subject: | Re: The fastest Tailwind |
Great idea Red--I would like to volunteer for pit crew also!
Dave
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| Subject: | Re: The fastest Tailwind |
Probably have to find somebody to race the thing, just flyin' it and racin' it
are two entirely different deals. I may not be the guy to race it, found that
out on the short track in my Camaro. So, chances are I'll be joinin' you guys
in the pits!
Rick
N241SW
----- Original Message -----
From: DaveM
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: The fastest Tailwind
Great idea Red--I would like to volunteer for pit crew also!
Dave
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check this out Rick http://www.shafiroff.com/434_595_engine.asp
wag"s
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Wags: Thanks, the Chevy has lots of good things going for it. Definitely something
to think about.
Rick
N241SW
----- Original Message -----
From: James E. Wagner Jr.
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 10:47 AM
Subject: Tailwind-List:
check this out Rick http://www.shafiroff.com/434_595_engine.asp
wag"s
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| Subject: | Re: Goin' Racin'? |
I think you all are nuts.... BUT, I like the idea! AND, I'd definitely love
to fly the machine around the race course.
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick and Cindy
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List:
Wags: Thanks, the Chevy has lots of good things going for it. Definitely something
to think about.
Rick
N241SW
----- Original Message -----
From: James E. Wagner Jr.
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 10:47 AM
Subject: Tailwind-List:
check this out Rick http://www.shafiroff.com/434_595_engine.asp
wag"s
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Rick:
There is a guy in the Sacramento area, that is using a V-8 in a racer type airplane
he has been building for the last number of years. He would, I'm sure, be
willing to provide a lot of information on the installation of it. I could
get more info if you wanted. I can't remember names and details off the top of
my head.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick and Cindy
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List:
Wags: Thanks, the Chevy has lots of good things going for it. Definitely something
to think about.
Rick
N241SW
----- Original Message -----
From: James E. Wagner Jr.
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 10:47 AM
Subject: Tailwind-List:
check this out Rick http://www.shafiroff.com/434_595_engine.asp
wag"s
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| Subject: | Re: Goin' Racin'? |
Call it a Tailwind Rocket, with a parallel valve IO-540 or a three rotor Mazda
20B.
Jerry do you know the weights and HP on the 20B?
----- Original Message -----
From: Fred Weaver
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 8:33 AM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Goin' Racin'?
I think you all are nuts.... BUT, I like the idea! AND, I'd definitely love
to fly the machine around the race course.
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: Rick and Cindy
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 8:15 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List:
Wags: Thanks, the Chevy has lots of good things going for it. Definitely something
to think about.
Rick
N241SW
----- Original Message -----
From: James E. Wagner Jr.
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 10:47 AM
Subject: Tailwind-List:
check this out Rick http://www.shafiroff.com/434_595_engine.asp
wag"s
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| Subject: | Re: Lift Strut Clevis Fitting |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Fred Weaver <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Phil.... You can't pull enough G's in a Tailwind to break it. The wing
stalls before you can really get a load on it.
On Wednesday, March 10, 2004, at 09:32 AM, Phil Flaugher wrote:
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Phil Flaugher"
> <phil.flaugher@charter.net>
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> Rick,
>
> I think he's asking for pictures of your arrangement......
>
> Thank you for not accepting everything as done by anyone else,
> including my hero, Steve Wittman. His achievevments and
> contributions are proof of his genius but there is always room for
> improvement. NASA would have to say the same thing about our space
> shuttles. Your engineering analysis is invaluable.
>
> I appreciate Jim Stanton's attitude (I haven't seen the
> correspondence) but he must be livid about Jim Clements mods!?!?
>
> Are there any published analysis (spelling for plural??) for the
> W-10? Any published figures for G limits?
>
> Phil
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Mcculleyja@aol.com>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2004 11:58 AM
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: Lift Strut Clevis Fitting
>
>
>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Mcculleyja@aol.com
>>
>> In a message dated 3/10/04 10:09:39 AM Eastern Standard Time,
>> rcaviate@infionline.net writes:
>>
>>> The clevis design, when, not if, it gets wet, will dry, and can
> be
>> inspected,
>>> and even wire brushed and repainted if necessary.
>>>
>> Rick,
>>
>> I certainly agree with your philosophy of design and taking
> responsibility
>> for the adequacy of whatever we homebuilders do.
>>
>> Thanks for your explanation, but I hope you will be kind enough to
> also post
>> a picture of the clevis arrangement for those of us struggling to
> visualize
>> the concept. Considering the number of ancient Tailwinds still
> being flown, do
>> you know if anyone has any knowledge of lift struts that have been
> tested
>> non-destructively and/or cut open to check for internal rust and
> what has been
>> found. Maybe all of us should be taking some positive action on
> this ? Your
>> thoughts?
>>
>> Jim
>>
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| Subject: | Re: Goin' Racin'? |
I don't know the weight but I do recall that a 20B is about 100 lbs
lighter than an IO-540. Six hundred and sixty hp is easy to achieve
(220 per rotor) turbo or P Ported. . Of course if one wants to spin
the engine a little faster in the 8,000/9000 rpm range, a LOT more
power can be extracted. For those who are unaware of the rotary
engines ability to spin, the new RX8 is red lined at 9000 rpm. The
hard part is a reduction drive that will input 9000 rpm and output
2750. A 2:8 reduction drive is the closest we can come to it at the
present time. Jerry
On Thursday, March 11, 2004, at 12:08 PM, Luc H. wrote:
> Call it a Tailwind Rocket, with a parallel valve IO-540 or a three
> rotor Mazda 20B.
>
> Jerry do you=A0know the weights and HP on the 20B?
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Fred Weaver
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 8:33 AM
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Goin' Racin'?
>
> I think you all are nuts....=A0=A0 BUT, I like the idea!=A0=A0 AND, I'd
> definitely love to fly the machine around the race course.
> Weav
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick and Cindy
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 8:15 AM
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List:
>
> Wags: Thanks, the Chevy has lots of good things going for it.
> Definitely something to think about.
> Rick
> N241SW
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: James E. Wagner Jr.
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, March 11, 2004 10:47 AM
> Subject: Tailwind-List:
>
> check this out Rick http://www.shafiroff.com/434_595_engine.asp
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His name is David Rose.
Kev
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