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1. 04:31 AM - Re: Re:Dick Martin's RV8 (Jerry Hey)
2. 05:27 AM - racing (Jerry Hey)
3. 05:48 AM - Re: racing (Malcolm.Lovelace@coopertools.com)
4. 06:25 AM - Re: racing (Jerry Hey)
5. 06:37 AM - Re:Dick Martin's RV8 (Mcculleyja@aol.com)
6. 06:47 AM - Re: racing (Rick and Cindy)
7. 08:07 AM - Re: racing (George Turner)
8. 08:23 AM - Re: Re: Climb rate (George Turner)
9. 08:47 AM - Re: Re:Dick Martin's RV8 (Fred Weaver)
10. 08:56 AM - Re: racing (Richard Lamb)
11. 09:35 AM - Re: Re:Dick Martin's RV8 (Estelle Danner)
12. 10:38 AM - Re: Bob Nuckolls Seminar (Eric Schlanser)
13. 10:54 AM - Re: Bob Nuckolls Seminar (Jim Clement)
14. 11:10 AM - Re: Bob Nuckolls Seminar (flamini2@comcast.net)
15. 11:36 AM - Re: racing (Jerry Hey)
16. 12:59 PM - Re: Re:Dick Martin's RV8 (flamini2@comcast.net)
17. 05:50 PM - Re: Re:Dick Martin's RV8 (Mcculleyja@aol.com)
18. 07:34 PM - Tailwind Times (RJ)
19. 07:44 PM - Re: Re:Dick Martin's RV8 (red)
20. 08:59 PM - Re: Re:Dick Martin's RV8 (red)
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| Subject: | Re:Dick Martin's RV8 |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
Fred I'm glad you brought that up. PLEASE ENTER YOUR TAILWIND IN SOME
RACES AND KICK BUTT. IT IS TIME FOR THE REST OF THE WORLD, (RVs) TO
FACE THE REALITY OF OUR SUPERIOR MACHINE. You can probably get fifty
guys off this list to volunteer for your pitt crew. You definitely got
me. IF YOU WERE TO BEAT ALL THE RV's, ACS WOULD SELL 200 SETS OF TW
PLANS THE NEXT DAY. TIME TO ROCK AND ROLL. Jerry
On Monday, March 22, 2004, at 08:32 PM, Fred Weaver wrote:
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Fred Weaver
> <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
>
> There is only a small catch in the way you wrote this Jerry.... Dick
> has a very nice and very fast RV8. I believe he might have the fastest
> RV8 but as you could see from Flamini's post, Dave Anders definitely
> lays claim to the fastest RV period. Both of these fine airplanes
> share the same type of baffling manufactured now by Sam James in
> Florida. I'd like to point out at the same time to Dennis that there
> was only ONE other RV that beat Martin at that race. "IF" Dick
> Martin has been beat by other RV's in a race, it could only have been
> caused by a mechanical or electrical problem of some sort. His plane
> is clean and fast but I think there are a couple of Tailwinds that
> could hold their own while racing him.... :) And they don't have
> 200 hp or constant speed props!
> Weav
>
> On Monday, March 22, 2004, at 11:32 AM, Jerry Hey wrote:
>
>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey
>> <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
>>
>> Bob Nuckolls held one of his AeroElectric seminars in Kalamazoo
>> Mich last weekend.
>
>> <snip>
>
>> Richard Martin who claims to have the fastest RV in the world
>> attended. He is associated with TruTrak autopilot. They have just
>> developed an instrument called a " Pictorial Turn Coordinator." He
>> had one with him for us to look at. It is a totally digital, no
>> gyros involved. It can be bought to fill either a small or large
>> instrument hole. It only requires about 4 inches behind the panel.
>> Although the prototype did not have it, the production version will
>> also indicate vertical rate of climb. This is a pretty cool
>> instrument and it is only $399.00 as an introductory price. I think
>> I may buy one for my instrument panel. You can see the "Pictorial
>> Turn Coordinator" at www.trutrakflightsystems.com.
>>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
Blank sheet of paper. If one wanted to build a TW to race in races
such as Sun n Fun, what would be changed? Does it need to be
stronger? Can it be made even more clean? What is the ideal weight?
Power? How about a single seat version? That would save some pounds
and it could be a little narrower than the wide door versions we are
building now? It is important that the final airplane still be
unmistakably a Tailwind. Of course, for most of us, a beautiful,
two seat Tailwind, that runs like a bat out of hell with an 0-320 is
the dream. But there are a few guys, I'm sure, who would like to push
the performance envelope.
Looking back at the 350 hrs in my log book, less than 30 have been
with a passenger. My wife gets air sick and would be relieved if I
built a single seater. I do think about it now and then. Competing
would really spice up the retirement. Jerry
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Malcolm.Lovelace@CooperTools.com
I just built 3 fuselages and I have a jig to build them now. It would be no
problem to build one say 10" narrower. If someone buys the tubing and pays
for the argon I would be willing to build the basic fuselage. Maybe we could
get some donations to get this project going.
Malcolm
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry Hey [SMTP:j-winddesigns@thegrid.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:28 AM
> To: Tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Tailwind-List: racing
>
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
>
> Blank sheet of paper. If one wanted to build a TW to race in races
> such as Sun n Fun, what would be changed? Does it need to be
> stronger? Can it be made even more clean? What is the ideal weight?
> Power? How about a single seat version? That would save some pounds
> and it could be a little narrower than the wide door versions we are
> building now? It is important that the final airplane still be
> unmistakably a Tailwind. Of course, for most of us, a beautiful,
> two seat Tailwind, that runs like a bat out of hell with an 0-320 is
> the dream. But there are a few guys, I'm sure, who would like to push
> the performance envelope.
>
> Looking back at the 350 hrs in my log book, less than 30 have been
> with a passenger. My wife gets air sick and would be relieved if I
> built a single seater. I do think about it now and then. Competing
> would really spice up the retirement. Jerry
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
Malcolm, that is a generous offer. What would be the harm in having a
single seat version of the TW? Not many people would be interested
but it might ring a few bells. A friend of mine just recently started
building an RV-3 so for some the single seater has it's appeal. I just
proposed that I go racing to my wife and she thought it was a great
idea. Years ago she raced motorcycles and won a lot of hardware so she
knows what it means. I raced too, but was a middle of the pack guy.
After years of competing I never won anything. I gave it up at age
thirty when I could not keep up with the twelve year olds. Jerry
On Tuesday, March 23, 2004, at 08:29 AM,
Malcolm.Lovelace@coopertools.com wrote:
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Malcolm.Lovelace@CooperTools.com
>
> I just built 3 fuselages and I have a jig to build them now. It would
> be no
> problem to build one say 10" narrower. If someone buys the tubing and
> pays
> for the argon I would be willing to build the basic fuselage. Maybe we
> could
> get some donations to get this project going.
>
> Malcolm
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jerry Hey [SMTP:j-winddesigns@thegrid.net]
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:28 AM
>> To: Tailwind-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Tailwind-List: racing
>>
>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey
>> <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
>>
>> Blank sheet of paper. If one wanted to build a TW to race in races
>> such as Sun n Fun, what would be changed? Does it need to be
>> stronger? Can it be made even more clean? What is the ideal weight?
>> Power? How about a single seat version? That would save some pounds
>> and it could be a little narrower than the wide door versions we are
>> building now? It is important that the final airplane still be
>> unmistakably a Tailwind. Of course, for most of us, a beautiful,
>> two seat Tailwind, that runs like a bat out of hell with an 0-320 is
>> the dream. But there are a few guys, I'm sure, who would like to
>> push
>> the performance envelope.
>>
>> Looking back at the 350 hrs in my log book, less than 30 have been
>> with a passenger. My wife gets air sick and would be relieved if I
>> built a single seater. I do think about it now and then. Competing
>> would really spice up the retirement. Jerry
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| Subject: | Re:Dick Martin's RV8 |
How about the subject of Tailwind climb rates as another performance
comparison. Anyone able to exceed an AVERAGE ROC of 2,000 FPM during a climb of
10,000 feet ( ie. 5 minutes)? What is the best a Tailwind can do?
Jim McCulley
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Fred Weaver <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
There is only a small catch in the way you wrote this Jerry....=A0 Dick
has a very nice and very fast RV8. I believe he might have the fastest
RV8 but as you could see from Flamini's post, Dave Anders definitely
lays claim to the fastest RV period. Both of these fine airplanes share
the same type of baffling manufactured now by Sam James in Florida. I'd
like to point out at the same time to Dennis that there was only ONE
other RV that beat Martin at that race.=A0=A0 "IF"=A0 Dick Martin has been
beat by other RV's in a race, it could only have been caused by a
mechanical or electrical problem of some sort. His plane is clean and
fast but I think there are a couple of Tailwinds that could hold their
own while racing him....=A0=A0 :)=A0 And they don't have 200 hp or constant
speed props!
Weav
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Rick and Cindy" <rcaviate@infionline.net>
Jer: Man have I ever given this some thought, I've even named the thing! The
Tailwind "R" Model would be single seat. The fuselage would be narrowed, but
careful, cross section needs to remain closer to square in the high load
areas rather than rectangular. The present cabin height could be lowered a
couple of inches, the A pillar could go straight from front wing attach to
strut attach, present doors would be diagonal, windows would simply have a
diagonal behind them, top of present cabin would be x'd, one door would be
on RH side of third bay, windows would extend further to rear similar to
Jdep Tailwinds. The pilot would be moved back a bay, the present cabin would
hold a fuel cell. If an aluminum Chevy of 400 or so hp were used (lots of
cheap hp available., but redrive expensive), the front bay could be used for
the radiator. Wingspan would almost certainly be reduced and airfoil
optimized, professional help needed in this regard for sure. A large geared
Continental of 350 hp would also do nicely if warmed up some, the Lycoming
IO540 always a good choice.
We're talking somethin' that would probably do 350 mph or better, not only
able to smoke 'em at SNF, but very able to bust the Sport class at Reno wide
open, leavin' the Lancair 4 crowd sittin' around cryin' in their beer.
Now, before enthusiasm overtakes common sense, some serious airframe stress
analysis must take place, I'm very comfortable with the Tailwind airframe at
250 mph, 350 is another story. I have a couple of engineers that can help me
with this, also, a drag analysis will tell the story if the thing can
overcome its struts and gear hangin' out on the way to embarrassin'
everybody else in the aforementioned Sport class.
Re SNF, I have every intention of entering O-O in the race there in '05. I'm
probably not the guy to race it, Clement has raced there and he'd be a good
choice, and Weaver is very familiar with high speed Tailwinds, plus he's
capable of rollin' it as he takes the checker, further embarassing the 'glas
crowd. Dennis also has lots of race experience.
Is it just a dream? We'll see, we'll see.
Rick N241SW
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Hey" <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
Subject: Tailwind-List: racing
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
>
> Blank sheet of paper. If one wanted to build a TW to race in races
> such as Sun n Fun, what would be changed? Does it need to be
> stronger? Can it be made even more clean? What is the ideal weight?
> Power? How about a single seat version? That would save some pounds
> and it could be a little narrower than the wide door versions we are
> building now? It is important that the final airplane still be
> unmistakably a Tailwind. Of course, for most of us, a beautiful,
> two seat Tailwind, that runs like a bat out of hell with an 0-320 is
> the dream. But there are a few guys, I'm sure, who would like to push
> the performance envelope.
>
> Looking back at the 350 hrs in my log book, less than 30 have been
> with a passenger. My wife gets air sick and would be relieved if I
> built a single seater. I do think about it now and then. Competing
> would really spice up the retirement. Jerry
>
>
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Racing Fans:
Since you would make changes:
To increase the speed, you might consider some more changes, other than just reducing
the width. Shorter wings, modify the airfoil, smaller tail area, etc.
The attached picture could give you more ideas. George
Malcolm.Lovelace@coopertools.com wrote:
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Malcolm.Lovelace@CooperTools.com
I just built 3 fuselages and I have a jig to build them now. It would be no
problem to build one say 10" narrower. If someone buys the tubing and pays
for the argon I would be willing to build the basic fuselage. Maybe we could
get some donations to get this project going.
Malcolm
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jerry Hey [SMTP:j-winddesigns@thegrid.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:28 AM
> To: Tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Tailwind-List: racing
>
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey
>
> Blank sheet of paper. If one wanted to build a TW to race in races
> such as Sun n Fun, what would be changed? Does it need to be
> stronger? Can it be made even more clean? What is the ideal weight?
> Power? How about a single seat version? That would save some pounds
> and it could be a little narrower than the wide door versions we are
> building now? It is important that the final airplane still be
> unmistakably a Tailwind. Of course, for most of us, a beautiful,
> two seat Tailwind, that runs like a bat out of hell with an 0-320 is
> the dream. But there are a few guys, I'm sure, who would like to push
> the performance envelope.
>
> Looking back at the 350 hrs in my log book, less than 30 have been
> with a passenger. My wife gets air sick and would be relieved if I
> built a single seater. I do think about it now and then. Competing
> would really spice up the retirement. Jerry
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Tailwind N6168XINTRODUCTION
During the period March 3rd through 7th, 1994 the CAFE Foundation completed a thorough
evaluation of Jim Clement's Tailwind, N6168X. The first flight of the
series was my subjective evaluation of the stability and handling qualities in
addition to the airplane's general accommodations.
Liftoff occurred naturally at an indicated 65 mph. Initially with 2400 RPM and
28.3" manifold pressure, it was climbing at an impressive indicated 1600 fpm.
Even though stick forces were light, it was easy to hold a constant 120 mph IAS.
Mcculleyja@aol.com wrote:How about the subject of Tailwind climb rates as another
performance comparison. Anyone able to exceed an AVERAGE ROC of 2,000 FPM
during a climb of 10,000 feet ( ie. 5 minutes)? What is the best a Tailwind can
do?
Jim McCulley
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Fred Weaver <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
There is only a small catch in the way you wrote this Jerry.... Dick
has a very nice and very fast RV8. I believe he might have the fastest
RV8 but as you could see from Flamini's post, Dave Anders definitely
lays claim to the fastest RV period. Both of these fine airplanes share
the same type of baffling manufactured now by Sam James in Florida. I'd
like to point out at the same time to Dennis that there was only ONE
other RV that beat Martin at that race. "IF" Dick Martin has been
beat by other RV's in a race, it could only have been caused by a
mechanical or electrical problem of some sort. His plane is clean and
fast but I think there are a couple of Tailwinds that could hold their
own while racing him.... :) And they don't have 200 hp or constant
speed props!
Weav
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| Subject: | Re:Dick Martin's RV8 |
Would be no problem with the right prop....You can't use a fixed pitch prop to
climb that good and still go over 200 mph at cruise.
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: Mcculleyja@aol.com
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 6:36 AM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Re:Dick Martin's RV8
How about the subject of Tailwind climb rates as another performance comparison.
Anyone able to exceed an AVERAGE ROC of 2,000 FPM during a climb of 10,000
feet ( ie. 5 minutes)? What is the best a Tailwind can do?
Jim McCulley
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Fred Weaver <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
There is only a small catch in the way you wrote this Jerry.... Dick
has a very nice and very fast RV8. I believe he might have the fastest
RV8 but as you could see from Flamini's post, Dave Anders definitely
lays claim to the fastest RV period. Both of these fine airplanes share
the same type of baffling manufactured now by Sam James in Florida. I'd
like to point out at the same time to Dennis that there was only ONE
other RV that beat Martin at that race. "IF" Dick Martin has been
beat by other RV's in a race, it could only have been caused by a
mechanical or electrical problem of some sort. His plane is clean and
fast but I think there are a couple of Tailwinds that could hold their
own while racing him.... :) And they don't have 200 hp or constant
speed props!
Weav
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb <n6228l@earthlink.net>
Malcolm.Lovelace@coopertools.com wrote:
>
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Malcolm.Lovelace@CooperTools.com
>
> I just built 3 fuselages and I have a jig to build them now. It would be no
> problem to build one say 10" narrower. If someone buys the tubing and pays
> for the argon I would be willing to build the basic fuselage. Maybe we could
> get some donations to get this project going.
>
> Malcolm
>
This may not be real obvious, but narrowing the fusleage that much
is more likely to slow it daon rather than speed it up.
sorry---
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| Subject: | Re:Dick Martin's RV8 |
with the right prop it doable and 160 hp Bob Danner
----- Original Message -----
From: Mcculleyja@aol.com
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:36 AM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Re:Dick Martin's RV8
How about the subject of Tailwind climb rates as another performance comparison.
Anyone able to exceed an AVERAGE ROC of 2,000 FPM during a climb of 10,000
feet ( ie. 5 minutes)? What is the best a Tailwind can do?
Jim McCulley
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Fred Weaver <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
There is only a small catch in the way you wrote this Jerry.... Dick
has a very nice and very fast RV8. I believe he might have the fastest
RV8 but as you could see from Flamini's post, Dave Anders definitely
lays claim to the fastest RV period. Both of these fine airplanes share
the same type of baffling manufactured now by Sam James in Florida. I'd
like to point out at the same time to Dennis that there was only ONE
other RV that beat Martin at that race. "IF" Dick Martin has been
beat by other RV's in a race, it could only have been caused by a
mechanical or electrical problem of some sort. His plane is clean and
fast but I think there are a couple of Tailwinds that could hold their
own while racing him.... :) And they don't have 200 hp or constant
speed props!
Weav
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| Subject: | Re: Bob Nuckolls Seminar |
Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net> wrote:
Bob Nuckolls held one of his AeroElectric seminars in Kalamazoo Mich last weekend.
Three Tailwinders showed up: Eric Schlanser, Kalamazoo, Rich Wells,
Louisville and myself Northern Indiana. The Schlansers
generously opened their house to Rich and his wife Nicole and to me. Saved us
all a motel bill and more importantly, gave us a chance to gather around Eric's
project and talk Tailwinds.
The AeroElectric seminar was fantastic. The recurring theme was to design the
electrical system so that no likely failure mode could cause a crash.
Richard Martin who claims to have the fastest RV in the world attended. Jerry
Jerry and the group, It was our pleasure to have you and the Wells' as guests.
The nicest people are Tailwinders. When one decides to get involved with Tailwinds,
he can be assured he will be associating with a fine bunch.
When you looked at my project, you said I needed to wash off the corrosive brazing
flux residue. What to use? Water? Soap and water? SOS pads? Scotchbrite pads?
I think Dick Martin was talking about his 1960 Meyers 200A when he claimed he and
Bill Nagle have the fastest examples of that airplane.
Eric
PS - Dennis Flamini, you might remember Bill Nagle as the owner of the Knight Twister
biplane at the grass strip, Newmans Field, in Kalamazoo where you visited
a couple of years ago.
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| Subject: | Re: Bob Nuckolls Seminar |
Eric, sandblast the brazed joints. Jim C
From: Eric Schlanser
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 11:37 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Bob Nuckolls Seminar
Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net> wrote:
Bob Nuckolls held one of his AeroElectric seminars in Kalamazoo Mich last
weekend. Three Tailwinders showed up: Eric Schlanser, Kalamazoo, Rich Wells,
Louisville and myself Northern Indiana. The Schlansers
generously opened their house to Rich and his wife Nicole and to me. Saved
us all a motel bill and more importantly, gave us a chance to gather around
Eric's project and talk Tailwinds.
The AeroElectric seminar was fantastic. The recurring theme was to design
the electrical system so that no likely failure mode could cause a crash.
Richard Martin who claims to have the fastest RV in the world attended.
Jerry
Jerry and the group, It was our pleasure to have you and the Wells' as guests.
The nicest people are Tailwinders. When one decides to get involved with
Tailwinds, he can be assured he will be associating with a fine bunch.
When you looked at my project, you said I needed to wash off the corrosive
brazing flux residue. What to use? Water? Soap and water? SOS pads? Scotchbrite
pads?
I think Dick Martin was talking about his 1960 Meyers 200A when he claimed
he and Bill Nagle have the fastest examples of that airplane.
Eric
PS - Dennis Flamini, you might remember Bill Nagle as the owner of the Knight
Twister biplane at the grass strip, Newmans Field, in Kalamazoo where you
visited a couple of years ago.
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| Subject: | Re: Bob Nuckolls Seminar |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: flamini2@comcast.net
Eric,
We had good time at K Zoo. When do we get to see your Tailwind?
Seeing that oldtimmer throw his leg into the Knight Twister and blast off the ground
and do aerobatics and land short made all that EAA reading from the 50's
and 60's seem silly as to the "dangerous widow making Knight Twister"
PS; got my Sun 100 race forms in the mail but looks like i will be going Southwest
this year. Is anyone else going to race?
Dennis in Dallas from Chicago
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
Rick, I am tempted to convert my present project to a single seater
that could be raced but it would still be a Tailwind. I want to use
the Tailwind airfoil, control surfaces, and basic structure. The wing
span and the control surfaces might be scaled down but that is about
it. It should still be a fun airplane to fly around. I definitely do
not want to be touching down at 90 mph. I think 250 mph is a realistic
goal.
Your project on the other hand is so far beyond what I am capable of
from any angle. I cannot design or fly such an airplane. THREE
HUNDRED AND FIFTY MPH!!!! That takes a real man. Last time I looked
there was only one hair on my chest. But I hope you do build it. At
some speed the drag of the struts and gear should become a major
issue. Make sure you are going faster than anyone else when that
happens. Jerry
On Tuesday, March 23, 2004, at 09:46 AM, Rick and Cindy wrote:
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Rick and Cindy"
> <rcaviate@infionline.net>
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> Jer: Man have I ever given this some thought, I've even named the
> thing! The
> Tailwind "R" Model would be single seat. The fuselage would be
> narrowed, but
> careful, cross section needs to remain closer to square in the high
> load
> areas rather than rectangular. The present cabin height could be
> lowered a
> couple of inches, the A pillar could go straight from front wing
> attach to
> strut attach, present doors would be diagonal, windows would simply
> have a
> diagonal behind them, top of present cabin would be x'd, one door
> would be
> on RH side of third bay, windows would extend further to rear similar
> to
> Jdep Tailwinds. The pilot would be moved back a bay, the present cabin
> would
> hold a fuel cell. If an aluminum Chevy of 400 or so hp were used (lots
> of
> cheap hp available., but redrive expensive), the front bay could be
> used for
> the radiator. Wingspan would almost certainly be reduced and airfoil
> optimized, professional help needed in this regard for sure. A large
> geared
> Continental of 350 hp would also do nicely if warmed up some, the
> Lycoming
> IO540 always a good choice.
> We're talking somethin' that would probably do 350 mph or better, not
> only
> able to smoke 'em at SNF, but very able to bust the Sport class at
> Reno wide
> open, leavin' the Lancair 4 crowd sittin' around cryin' in their beer.
> Now, before enthusiasm overtakes common sense, some serious airframe
> stress
> analysis must take place, I'm very comfortable with the Tailwind
> airframe at
> 250 mph, 350 is another story. I have a couple of engineers that can
> help me
> with this, also, a drag analysis will tell the story if the thing can
> overcome its struts and gear hangin' out on the way to embarrassin'
> everybody else in the aforementioned Sport class.
> Re SNF, I have every intention of entering O-O in the race there in
> '05. I'm
> probably not the guy to race it, Clement has raced there and he'd be a
> good
> choice, and Weaver is very familiar with high speed Tailwinds, plus
> he's
> capable of rollin' it as he takes the checker, further embarassing the
> 'glas
> crowd. Dennis also has lots of race experience.
> Is it just a dream? We'll see, we'll see.
> Rick N241SW
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Hey" <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
> To: <Tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2004 8:27 AM
> Subject: Tailwind-List: racing
>
>
>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey
>> <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
>>
>> Blank sheet of paper. If one wanted to build a TW to race in races
>> such as Sun n Fun, what would be changed? Does it need to be
>> stronger? Can it be made even more clean? What is the ideal weight?
>> Power? How about a single seat version? That would save some pounds
>> and it could be a little narrower than the wide door versions we are
>> building now? It is important that the final airplane still be
>> unmistakably a Tailwind. Of course, for most of us, a beautiful,
>> two seat Tailwind, that runs like a bat out of hell with an 0-320 is
>> the dream. But there are a few guys, I'm sure, who would like to
>> push
>> the performance envelope.
>>
>> Looking back at the 350 hrs in my log book, less than 30 have been
>> with a passenger. My wife gets air sick and would be relieved if I
>> built a single seater. I do think about it now and then. Competing
>> would really spice up the retirement. Jerry
>>
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| Subject: | Re:Dick Martin's RV8 |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: flamini2@comcast.net
Weav,
How do you cross the Rocky's and where do you stop?
i may head to Oakland next week, will you be in town and which apt are you based?
No need to worry, i won't race you.
Dennis in Dallas from Chicago
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| Subject: | Re:Dick Martin's RV8 |
In a message dated 3/23/04 11:47:53 AM Eastern Standard Time,
Mytyweav@earthlink.net writes:
> Would be no problem with the right prop....You can't use a fixed pitch prop
> to climb that good and still go over 200 mph at cruise.
> Weav
>
Thanks, understand. Do we know anyone doing it by using a controllable pitch
or constant speed prop. I'm mostly curious what the airframe is capable of,
assuming the proper combination of powerplant and prop is used.
Jim McCulley
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: RJ <gatsby8898@yahoo.com>
Jerry, I received a letter from Gordon Pinkston, 17354
Fm 429, Terrell, TX 75161-6730 concerning his starting
on his Tailwind. Evidently he doesn't have e-mail. I'm
sending him info and encouraging him to get to the
Tailwind internet sites via a friend. I'd also like to
enclose the address for the "Tailwind Times" but, I
seem to have deleted your new address. Would you send
your address to this site and I'll pass it on? Or
perhaps he is already a subscriber? Thanks, RJ
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| Subject: | Re:Dick Martin's RV8 |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "red" <redswings@reds-headers.com>
And Jerry wouild sell engine mounts and gear legs...
Red
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Hey" <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re:Dick Martin's RV8
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
>
> Fred I'm glad you brought that up. PLEASE ENTER YOUR TAILWIND IN SOME
> RACES AND KICK BUTT. IT IS TIME FOR THE REST OF THE WORLD, (RVs) TO
> FACE THE REALITY OF OUR SUPERIOR MACHINE. You can probably get fifty
> guys off this list to volunteer for your pitt crew. You definitely got
> me. IF YOU WERE TO BEAT ALL THE RV's, ACS WOULD SELL 200 SETS OF TW
> PLANS THE NEXT DAY. TIME TO ROCK AND ROLL. Jerry
>
>
> On Monday, March 22, 2004, at 08:32 PM, Fred Weaver wrote:
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Fred Weaver
> > <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
> >
> > There is only a small catch in the way you wrote this Jerry.... Dick
> > has a very nice and very fast RV8. I believe he might have the fastest
> > RV8 but as you could see from Flamini's post, Dave Anders definitely
> > lays claim to the fastest RV period. Both of these fine airplanes
> > share the same type of baffling manufactured now by Sam James in
> > Florida. I'd like to point out at the same time to Dennis that there
> > was only ONE other RV that beat Martin at that race. "IF" Dick
> > Martin has been beat by other RV's in a race, it could only have been
> > caused by a mechanical or electrical problem of some sort. His plane
> > is clean and fast but I think there are a couple of Tailwinds that
> > could hold their own while racing him.... :) And they don't have
> > 200 hp or constant speed props!
> > Weav
> >
> > On Monday, March 22, 2004, at 11:32 AM, Jerry Hey wrote:
> >
> >> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey
> >> <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
> >>
> >> Bob Nuckolls held one of his AeroElectric seminars in Kalamazoo
> >> Mich last weekend.
> >
> >> <snip>
> >
> >> Richard Martin who claims to have the fastest RV in the world
> >> attended. He is associated with TruTrak autopilot. They have just
> >> developed an instrument called a " Pictorial Turn Coordinator." He
> >> had one with him for us to look at. It is a totally digital, no
> >> gyros involved. It can be bought to fill either a small or large
> >> instrument hole. It only requires about 4 inches behind the panel.
> >> Although the prototype did not have it, the production version will
> >> also indicate vertical rate of climb. This is a pretty cool
> >> instrument and it is only $399.00 as an introductory price. I think
> >> I may buy one for my instrument panel. You can see the "Pictorial
> >> Turn Coordinator" at www.trutrakflightsystems.com.
> >>
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| Subject: | Re:Dick Martin's RV8 |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "red" <redswings@reds-headers.com>
Dennis,
If you are going to be in Oakland, come on up to Fort Bragg, two Tailwinds
to look at, plus one project.Only another half hour or so, maybe Fred will
bring you, or lead you.
Polish your short field landing techniques.
Red
----- Original Message -----
From: <flamini2@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re:Dick Martin's RV8
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: flamini2@comcast.net
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> Weav,
> How do you cross the Rocky's and where do you stop?
> i may head to Oakland next week, will you be in town and which apt are you
based?
> No need to worry, i won't race you.
> Dennis in Dallas from Chicago
>
>
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