---------------------------------------------------------- Tailwind-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 03/27/04: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 02:26 PM - Brake Master Cylinders (William Bernard) 2. 02:35 PM - Re: Brake Master Cylinders (Jim and Donna Clement) 3. 02:38 PM - tank vent (Paul Holmes) 4. 02:55 PM - Re: tank vent (Jim and Donna Clement) 5. 03:59 PM - Re: Brake Master Cylinders (Cy Galley) 6. 04:23 PM - vent (Paul Holmes) 7. 07:33 PM - Re: Brake Master Cylinders (Rich Ellis) 8. 08:27 PM - Re: Brake Master Cylinders (Jim and Donna Clement) 9. 08:36 PM - Re: vent (mlinda@wt.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 02:26:34 PM PST US From: "William Bernard" Subject: Tailwind-List: Brake Master Cylinders Without going into the gorey details, it appears advisable that I replace the brake master cylinders. The present ones are Cleveland 10-55s and are old enough to vote. I'm thinking about replacing them with Matco MT-MC4 cylinders but... 1) Has anyone used these master cylinders with Cleveland brakes? If so how have they held up in service? 2) Since the Matco master cylinders are shorter than the Clevelands they would replace, I have to modify the brake pedals to lower the arm a bit, probably about 3/4 inch. The arm is already at the mid point of the brake pedal vertical tube. I suspect that lowering it a bit more will be to the good, but I'd like another opinion before I cut things up. Thanks for the ideas Bill (Fixin' stuff after I thought I was done!) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 02:35:27 PM PST US From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Brake Master Cylinders Bill, use the Matco's and lower the arm on the pedal. Been using them in most all my TWs with no problems. The others at Baraboo use them also. Jim C ----- Original Message ----- From: William Bernard To: tailwind-list@matronics.com ; TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 4:30 PM Subject: Tailwind-List: Brake Master Cylinders Without going into the gorey details, it appears advisable that I replace the brake master cylinders. The present ones are Cleveland 10-55s and are old enough to vote. I'm thinking about replacing them with Matco MT-MC4 cylinders but... 1) Has anyone used these master cylinders with Cleveland brakes? If so how have they held up in service? 2) Since the Matco master cylinders are shorter than the Clevelands they would replace, I have to modify the brake pedals to lower the arm a bit, probably about 3/4 inch. The arm is already at the mid point of the brake pedal vertical tube. I suspect that lowering it a bit more will be to the good, but I'd like another opinion before I cut things up. Thanks for the ideas Bill (Fixin' stuff after I thought I was done!) ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 02:38:35 PM PST US From: "Paul Holmes" Subject: Tailwind-List: tank vent I need some advice on tank vent placement. Anybody? Paul Holmes Horton, MI ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 02:55:25 PM PST US From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: tank vent Paul, On 168A I ran a line from the filler neck up the passenger side windshield frame. It then curved around and fastened to a aluminum tube protruding about 1" from the wing root fairing. Tube and fittings should be at least 1/4" ID. A vent coming out of the cap facing forward also works if the cap isn't put on backwards. Jim C ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Holmes To: Tailwind-list Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 4:37 PM Subject: Tailwind-List: tank vent I need some advice on tank vent placement. Anybody? Paul Holmes Horton, MI ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 03:59:41 PM PST US From: "Cy Galley" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Brake Master Cylinders Why not just rebuilt them? The only thing that wears are the o-rings. There is a small one in the bottom of the piston. ----- Original Message ----- From: William Bernard To: tailwind-list@matronics.com ; TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 4:30 PM Subject: Tailwind-List: Brake Master Cylinders Without going into the gorey details, it appears advisable that I replace the brake master cylinders. The present ones are Cleveland 10-55s and are old enough to vote. I'm thinking about replacing them with Matco MT-MC4 cylinders but... 1) Has anyone used these master cylinders with Cleveland brakes? If so how have they held up in service? 2) Since the Matco master cylinders are shorter than the Clevelands they would replace, I have to modify the brake pedals to lower the arm a bit, probably about 3/4 inch. The arm is already at the mid point of the brake pedal vertical tube. I suspect that lowering it a bit more will be to the good, but I'd like another opinion before I cut things up. Thanks for the ideas Bill (Fixin' stuff after I thought I was done!) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:23:48 PM PST US From: "Paul Holmes" Subject: Tailwind-List: vent Jim, Thanks for the vent design. Paul ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:33:15 PM PST US From: Rich Ellis Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Brake Master Cylinders --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rich Ellis Jim C, Are you using the Matco MC4 or MC5 model? rle --- Jim and Donna Clement <168x@merr.com> wrote: > Bill, use the Matco's and lower the arm on the > pedal. Been using them in most all my TWs with no > problems. The others at Baraboo use them also. Jim > C > ----- Original Message ----- > From: William Bernard > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com ; > TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 4:30 PM > Subject: Tailwind-List: Brake Master Cylinders > > > Without going into the gorey details, it appears > advisable that I replace the brake master cylinders. > The present ones are Cleveland 10-55s and are old > enough to vote. I'm thinking about replacing them > with Matco MT-MC4 cylinders but... > > 1) Has anyone used these master cylinders with > Cleveland brakes? If so how have they held up in > service? > > 2) Since the Matco master cylinders are shorter > than the Clevelands they would replace, I have to > modify the brake pedals to lower the arm a bit, > probably about 3/4 inch. The arm is already at the > mid point of the brake pedal vertical tube. I > suspect that lowering it a bit more will be to the > good, but I'd like another opinion before I cut > things up. > > Thanks for the ideas > > Bill > (Fixin' stuff after I thought I was done!) > > ===== Richard L. Ellis, M.D. Gundersen Lutheran Health System Co-Director Norma J. Vinger Center for Breast Care 1900 South Avenue La Crosse, WI 54601 800.362.9567, ext. 52102 rjrellis@yahoo.com __________________________________ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:18 PM PST US From: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Brake Master Cylinders --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Jim and Donna Clement" <168x@merr.com> MC5 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rich Ellis" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Brake Master Cylinders > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rich Ellis > > Jim C, > > Are you using the Matco MC4 or MC5 model? rle > > --- Jim and Donna Clement <168x@merr.com> wrote: > > Bill, use the Matco's and lower the arm on the > > pedal. Been using them in most all my TWs with no > > problems. The others at Baraboo use them also. Jim > > C > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: William Bernard > > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com ; > > TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com > > Sent: Saturday, March 27, 2004 4:30 PM > > Subject: Tailwind-List: Brake Master Cylinders > > > > > > Without going into the gorey details, it appears > > advisable that I replace the brake master cylinders. > > The present ones are Cleveland 10-55s and are old > > enough to vote. I'm thinking about replacing them > > with Matco MT-MC4 cylinders but... > > > > 1) Has anyone used these master cylinders with > > Cleveland brakes? If so how have they held up in > > service? > > > > 2) Since the Matco master cylinders are shorter > > than the Clevelands they would replace, I have to > > modify the brake pedals to lower the arm a bit, > > probably about 3/4 inch. The arm is already at the > > mid point of the brake pedal vertical tube. I > > suspect that lowering it a bit more will be to the > > good, but I'd like another opinion before I cut > > things up. > > > > Thanks for the ideas > > > > Bill > > (Fixin' stuff after I thought I was done!) > > > > > > > ===== > Richard L. Ellis, M.D. > Gundersen Lutheran Health System > Co-Director > Norma J. Vinger Center for Breast Care > 1900 South Avenue > La Crosse, WI 54601 > 800.362.9567, ext. 52102 > rjrellis@yahoo.com > > __________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:36:08 PM PST US From: mlinda@wt.net Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: vent --> Tailwind-List message posted by: mlinda@wt.net Quoting Paul Holmes : > Jim, Thanks for the vent design. > Paul > Mine is a 1/4"aluminum tub that I ran down and exits out of the rear of the cowling near the top of the right side landing gear so if you get in rain, the rain will have a hard time running uphill and never get in the tank. The tube still faces forward to pressurize the tank. Ralph N710DH