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1. 03:20 AM - Re: Insurance Carrier (Malcolm.Lovelace@coopertools.com)
2. 03:26 AM - Re: Re: [TailwindForum] TIG problem (Malcolm.Lovelace@coopertools.com)
3. 04:40 AM - Re: Clipped wings (Jerry Hey)
4. 04:41 AM - Re: Insurance Carrier (IslPilot@aol.com)
5. 05:02 AM - Re: Re: [TailwindForum] Insurance Carrier (Robert Ardis)
6. 05:19 AM - Re: Re: [TailwindForum] Insurance Carrier (dmagaw@att.net)
7. 05:30 AM - Re: Insurance Carrier (William Bernard)
8. 05:36 AM - Re: Insurance Carrier (William Bernard)
9. 05:38 AM - Re: Insurance Carrier (William Bernard)
10. 03:37 PM - Re: Re: [TailwindForum] TIG problem (James E. Wagner Jr.)
11. 04:02 PM - Re: Re: [TailwindForum] TIG problem (Jerry Hey)
12. 04:15 PM - Re: Re: [TailwindForum] TIG problem (James E. Wagner Jr.)
13. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: [TailwindForum] TIG problem (Jerry Hey)
14. 08:13 PM - Re: Re: [TailwindForum] TIG problem (Estelle Danner)
15. 09:06 PM - Re: Re: [TailwindForum] Insurance Carrier (red)
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| Subject: | Insurance Carrier |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Malcolm.Lovelace@CooperTools.com
I have mine with Falcon Insurance Co. They did not care that it was a
Tri-gear.
Malcolm Lovelace
> -----Original Message-----
> From: William Bernard [SMTP:billbernard@worldnet.att.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:32 PM
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com; TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Insurance Carrier
>
> Does anyone, especially someone with a tri-gear Tailwind, have their
> insurance coverage with AIG? Apparently, the concept of a Tailwind on
> trycycle gear is difficult for them to grasp.
>
> My agent would like to know if there are any other examples.
>
> Thanks
>
> Bill
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| Subject: | Re: [TailwindForum] TIG problem |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Malcolm.Lovelace@CooperTools.com
You have air trapped between the 2 pieces of tubing. Drill a small hole in
the outside piece. When you are finished welding go back and weld up the
small hole.
> -----Original Message-----
> From: flamini2 [SMTP:flamini2@comcast.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:36 AM
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com; TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] TIG problem
>
> Jim,
> i have done these thick sections with 2 torches working together, one just
> brings the joint up to just below red hot and the other runs the weld.
> They make a tip called a rosebud that spreads the heat over a large area
>
> Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> From: Jim A <mailto:jagre@nemontel.net>
> To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
> <mailto:TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:19 PM
> Subject: [TailwindForum] TIG problem
>
> I'm at the point of frustration. Welding the engine mount with
> doubled tube ends for the landing gear. This the thickess metal and
> largest heat sink portion I've welded on the TW so far. When I apply
>
> more heat to get a puddle to form on this portion it will weld for
> about a quarter inch then pooff a crater forms in the weld and a
> ball of metal on my electrode. Stop change electrode clean weld
> start welding poof again? Metal very clean and degreassed. Not
> touching electrode to the puddle. Not sealing the last end of a
> tube. ?? Whats going on ?? Remedy?? Thanks in advance for your input
>
> gentlemen.
>
>
>
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> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Clipped wings |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
Fascinating account. I am going to have to study it some more.
Thanks, Jerry
On Wednesday, March 31, 2004, at 02:53 AM, Richard Lamb wrote:
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb
> <n6228l@earthlink.net>
>
> Jerry Hey wrote:
>>
>> According to a small booklet that came with the W-8 plans the
>> original wing span was 22 1/2 feet. I had assumed that Steve made the
>> wing longer because he was not satisfied with the performance of the
>> original. But what aspect of performance? Top speed, stall speed,
>> high altitude? Does anyone know the real story? Jerry
>
> It all comes down to induced drag.
>
> Induced drag is the drag that comes from generating lift.
>
> Short blunt wings (low aspect ratio) suffer from higher induced drag.
>
> Tip vortices are a large part of induced drag.
>
> So reducing the size of the tip vortice should reduce induced drag.
>
> (did that make any sense at all?)
>
> Anyway, supposedly, the tip vortice effects about 1 chord at the end
> of the wing panel. (Hence the short wing penalty? Greater percentage
> of the total wing area is effected.)
>
> Steve made the new W-10 wing tip have a very small tip chord (13
> inches)
> compared to the main airfoil.
>
> So only the last foot or so of the wing panel is feeding the tip
> vortice.
> (?)
>
> The lower drag can actually be measured - on manifild pressure.
>
> It takes less power to fly a given speed at a given altitude.
> Or, to heck with it, just go faster!
>
> Of course, any time you can measurably reduce drag, the amount of
> power required to maintain speed/altitude will be less.
>
> That can show up some in climb preformnce, and better high altitude
> performance.
>
>
> Any help, Jerry?
>
>
> The W-10 wing is a fascinating thing.
> The tips are just the icing on the cake.
>
> The center section / fuselage junction is the meat and potatoes. (MHO)
>
> The notch in the root of the wing forms a shallow areodynamic
> channel slot over the cabin and aft fuselage. I think that helps
> keep the boundry layer on the top of the fuselage energetic enough
> to produce (all that) lift.
>
> It could also be studied as a forward swept wing because, strangely
> enough, it is!
>
> While the notch in the leading edge of the wing is a fairly short
> part of the wing, the cut away area runs all the way across the top
> of the cabin.
>
> That's a fair percentage of the wing span, and it effectively moves
> the wing root chord - aft - in the center part of the wing.
>
> If the root chord is aft of mean aerodynamic chord, it's swept forward?
>
> Might be one of the secrets of why the Tailwind flies a bit better than
> expected. :)
>
>
> Richard
>
>
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>
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance Carrier |
Bill: I had no problem with Falcon Ins of HOU 800-880-8822 and the rate was
cheaper than our J3.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: [TailwindForum] Insurance Carrier |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Robert Ardis" <ardis_rb@hotmail.com>
I have a Tailwind--4090K-- that I have rebuilt and made some mods after
flying it for many years. I also have acquired three other planes that are
in various stages of being rebuilt. It is obvious that I have too many
dollars invested in parts, both engine and airframe, to loose them to
tornado or fire.
Question: Does anyone know of an insurance company that will insure
the planes being rebuilt while in the the shop located in the business
district of town? At one time I understood that Avemco had a policy that
would cover the value of the plane in the construction stage.
I would appreciate any info.
Robert
>From: "flamini2" <flamini2@comcast.net>
>Reply-To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
>To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>, <TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com>
>Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Insurance Carrier
>Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:18:27 -0600
>
>Try Delbene out of Midway apt Chicago.
>i have used them for over 10 years, current premium is $888 for 25K hull.
>Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: dmagaw@att.net
> To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 6:39 PM
> Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] Insurance Carrier
>
>
> AIG just insured N168A, through Skysmith. I don't think I bothered to
>tell them it was a trike vs. a taildragger though.
>
> Dave
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: [TailwindForum] Insurance Carrier |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: dmagaw@att.net
Robert:
You probably need to just talk to any broker that sells commercial property insurance.
For the railroad, we use a broker down in S. Cal that specializes in
small railroads, but our property insurance is through Fireman's Fund. Firemans
insurs our depots, shops, contents thereof, and various pieces of rolling stock,
including diesel and steam locomotives, passenger equipment and on-track
maintenance of way equipment. I would think you can get a building and contents
policy very easily, without having to go specifically to an aircraft insurer.
Dave Magaw
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Robert Ardis" <ardis_rb@hotmail.com>
>
> I have a Tailwind--4090K-- that I have rebuilt and made some mods after
> flying it for many years. I also have acquired three other planes that are
> in various stages of being rebuilt. It is obvious that I have too many
> dollars invested in parts, both engine and airframe, to loose them to
> tornado or fire.
> Question: Does anyone know of an insurance company that will insure
> the planes being rebuilt while in the the shop located in the business
> district of town? At one time I understood that Avemco had a policy that
> would cover the value of the plane in the construction stage.
> I would appreciate any info.
> Robert
>
>
> >From: "flamini2" <flamini2@comcast.net>
> >Reply-To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> >To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>, <TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Insurance Carrier
> >Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:18:27 -0600
> >
> >Try Delbene out of Midway apt Chicago.
> >i have used them for over 10 years, current premium is $888 for 25K hull.
> >Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: dmagaw@att.net
> > To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 6:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] Insurance Carrier
> >
> >
> > AIG just insured N168A, through Skysmith. I don't think I bothered to
> >tell them it was a trike vs. a taildragger though.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance Carrier |
Thanks Jim. This whole thing has turned into something of a comedy of errors. Someday,
I'll (hopefully) look back on it and laugh.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: Jim and Donna Clement
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:29 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Insurance Carrier
Bill, My two, Bob and Russ at Baraboo can account for about 5-600 hours of trouble
free flying. Malcomb must have at least 200 0n his. This might help.
Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: William Bernard
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com ; TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 6:31 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Insurance Carrier
Does anyone, especially someone with a tri-gear Tailwind, have their insurance
coverage with AIG? Apparently, the concept of a Tailwind on trycycle gear
is difficult for them to grasp.
My agent would like to know if there are any other examples.
Thanks
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance Carrier |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
Thanks Malcolm
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: <Malcolm.Lovelace@coopertools.com>
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Insurance Carrier
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Malcolm.Lovelace@CooperTools.com
>
> I have mine with Falcon Insurance Co. They did not care that it was a
> Tri-gear.
>
> Malcolm Lovelace
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: William Bernard [SMTP:billbernard@worldnet.att.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 7:32 PM
> > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com; TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Tailwind-List: Insurance Carrier
> >
> > Does anyone, especially someone with a tri-gear Tailwind, have their
> > insurance coverage with AIG? Apparently, the concept of a Tailwind on
> > trycycle gear is difficult for them to grasp.
> >
> > My agent would like to know if there are any other examples.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Bill
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Insurance Carrier |
Thanks Paul.
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: IslPilot@aol.com
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 6:40 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Insurance Carrier
Bill: I had no problem with Falcon Ins of HOU 800-880-8822 and the rate was
cheaper than our J3.
Paul
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| Subject: | Re: [TailwindForum] TIG problem |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "James E. Wagner Jr." <jwagner@accesschicago.net>
heavy 4130 must be preheated to at least 350. Wags, pipefitter welder local
597 chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: <Malcolm.Lovelace@coopertools.com>
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] TIG problem
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Malcolm.Lovelace@CooperTools.com
>
> You have air trapped between the 2 pieces of tubing. Drill a small hole in
> the outside piece. When you are finished welding go back and weld up the
> small hole.
>
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: flamini2 [SMTP:flamini2@comcast.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:36 AM
> > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com; TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] TIG problem
> >
> > Jim,
> > i have done these thick sections with 2 torches working together, one
just
> > brings the joint up to just below red hot and the other runs the weld.
> > They make a tip called a rosebud that spreads the heat over a large area
> >
> > Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> >
> > From: Jim A <mailto:jagre@nemontel.net>
> > To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
> > <mailto:TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:19 PM
> > Subject: [TailwindForum] TIG problem
> >
> > I'm at the point of frustration. Welding the engine mount with
> > doubled tube ends for the landing gear. This the thickess metal and
> > largest heat sink portion I've welded on the TW so far. When I apply
> >
> > more heat to get a puddle to form on this portion it will weld for
> > about a quarter inch then pooff a crater forms in the weld and a
> > ball of metal on my electrode. Stop change electrode clean weld
> > start welding poof again? Metal very clean and degreassed. Not
> > touching electrode to the puddle. Not sealing the last end of a
> > tube. ?? Whats going on ?? Remedy?? Thanks in advance for your input
> >
> > gentlemen.
> >
> >
> >
> > The Tailwind Forum group site is:
> > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > _____
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: [TailwindForum] TIG problem |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
James, what is heavy? These pieces are .049 wall welded to .058 wall.
I can see nothing wrong with pre heating or stress relieving after the
weld, but a lot of good welders don't bother with it when TIG welding.
Next gear mount I build I will preheat the welds at the bottom of the
receivers. Might be a good idea. What is your opinion about stress
relieving welds in thin wall 4130? Jerry
On Wednesday, March 31, 2004, at 06:36 PM, James E. Wagner Jr. wrote:
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "James E. Wagner Jr."
> <jwagner@accesschicago.net>
>
> heavy 4130 must be preheated to at least 350. Wags, pipefitter welder
> local
> 597 chicago
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Malcolm.Lovelace@coopertools.com>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:07 AM
> Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] TIG problem
>
>
>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Malcolm.Lovelace@CooperTools.com
>>
>> You have air trapped between the 2 pieces of tubing. Drill a small
>> hole in
>> the outside piece. When you are finished welding go back and weld up
>> the
>> small hole.
>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: flamini2 [SMTP:flamini2@comcast.net]
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:36 AM
>>> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com; TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
>>> Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] TIG problem
>>>
>>> Jim,
>>> i have done these thick sections with 2 torches working together, one
> just
>>> brings the joint up to just below red hot and the other runs the
>>> weld.
>>> They make a tip called a rosebud that spreads the heat over a large
>>> area
>>>
>>> Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>
>>> From: Jim A <mailto:jagre@nemontel.net>
>>> To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
>>> <mailto:TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com>
>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:19 PM
>>> Subject: [TailwindForum] TIG problem
>>>
>>> I'm at the point of frustration. Welding the engine mount with
>>> doubled tube ends for the landing gear. This the thickess metal and
>>> largest heat sink portion I've welded on the TW so far. When I apply
>>>
>>> more heat to get a puddle to form on this portion it will weld for
>>> about a quarter inch then pooff a crater forms in the weld and a
>>> ball of metal on my electrode. Stop change electrode clean weld
>>> start welding poof again? Metal very clean and degreassed. Not
>>> touching electrode to the puddle. Not sealing the last end of a
>>> tube. ?? Whats going on ?? Remedy?? Thanks in advance for your input
>>>
>>> gentlemen.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> The Tailwind Forum group site is:
>>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> _____
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum/>
>>>
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>>> unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe>
>>>
>>> <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>.
>>>
>>>
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| Subject: | Re: [TailwindForum] TIG problem |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "James E. Wagner Jr." <jwagner@accesschicago.net>
If the filler metal is 70s2 not needed if 80 or higher yes it is needed.
Wags, ps preheat will also remove all moisture from metal.
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
>
> James, what is heavy? These pieces are .049 wall welded to .058 wall.
> I can see nothing wrong with pre heating or stress relieving after the
> weld, but a lot of good welders don't bother with it when TIG welding.
> Next gear mount I build I will preheat the welds at the bottom of the
> receivers. Might be a good idea. What is your opinion about stress
> relieving welds in thin wall 4130? Jerry
>
>
> On Wednesday, March 31, 2004, at 06:36 PM, James E. Wagner Jr. wrote:
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "James E. Wagner Jr."
> > <jwagner@accesschicago.net>
> >
> > heavy 4130 must be preheated to at least 350. Wags, pipefitter welder
> > local
> > 597 chicago
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: <Malcolm.Lovelace@coopertools.com>
> > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:07 AM
> > Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] TIG problem
> >
> >
> >> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Malcolm.Lovelace@CooperTools.com
> >>
> >> You have air trapped between the 2 pieces of tubing. Drill a small
> >> hole in
> >> the outside piece. When you are finished welding go back and weld up
> >> the
> >> small hole.
> >>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: flamini2 [SMTP:flamini2@comcast.net]
> >>> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:36 AM
> >>> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com; TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
> >>> Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] TIG problem
> >>>
> >>> Jim,
> >>> i have done these thick sections with 2 torches working together, one
> > just
> >>> brings the joint up to just below red hot and the other runs the
> >>> weld.
> >>> They make a tip called a rosebud that spreads the heat over a large
> >>> area
> >>>
> >>> Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>
> >>> From: Jim A <mailto:jagre@nemontel.net>
> >>> To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
> >>> <mailto:TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com>
> >>> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:19 PM
> >>> Subject: [TailwindForum] TIG problem
> >>>
> >>> I'm at the point of frustration. Welding the engine mount with
> >>> doubled tube ends for the landing gear. This the thickess metal and
> >>> largest heat sink portion I've welded on the TW so far. When I apply
> >>>
> >>> more heat to get a puddle to form on this portion it will weld for
> >>> about a quarter inch then pooff a crater forms in the weld and a
> >>> ball of metal on my electrode. Stop change electrode clean weld
> >>> start welding poof again? Metal very clean and degreassed. Not
> >>> touching electrode to the puddle. Not sealing the last end of a
> >>> tube. ?? Whats going on ?? Remedy?? Thanks in advance for your input
> >>>
> >>> gentlemen.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> The Tailwind Forum group site is:
> >>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> _____
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
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> >>>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
James, Now that you say it, it makes sense. Thanks for the info.
Jerry
On Wednesday, March 31, 2004, at 07:15 PM, James E. Wagner Jr. wrote:
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "James E. Wagner Jr."
> <jwagner@accesschicago.net>
>
> If the filler metal is 70s2 not needed if 80 or higher yes it is
> needed.
> Wags, ps preheat will also remove all moisture from metal.
>
>
>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey
>> <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
>>
>> James, what is heavy? These pieces are .049 wall welded to .058
>> wall.
>> I can see nothing wrong with pre heating or stress relieving after
>> the
>> weld, but a lot of good welders don't bother with it when TIG
>> welding.
>> Next gear mount I build I will preheat the welds at the bottom of
>> the
>> receivers. Might be a good idea. What is your opinion about stress
>> relieving welds in thin wall 4130? Jerry
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 31, 2004, at 06:36 PM, James E. Wagner Jr. wrote:
>>
>>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "James E. Wagner Jr."
>>> <jwagner@accesschicago.net>
>>>
>>> heavy 4130 must be preheated to at least 350. Wags, pipefitter
>>> welder
>>> local
>>> 597 chicago
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: <Malcolm.Lovelace@coopertools.com>
>>> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:07 AM
>>> Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] TIG problem
>>>
>>>
>>>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by:
>>>> Malcolm.Lovelace@CooperTools.com
>>>>
>>>> You have air trapped between the 2 pieces of tubing. Drill a small
>>>> hole in
>>>> the outside piece. When you are finished welding go back and weld up
>>>> the
>>>> small hole.
>>>>
>>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>>> From: flamini2 [SMTP:flamini2@comcast.net]
>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:36 AM
>>>>> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com; TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] TIG problem
>>>>>
>>>>> Jim,
>>>>> i have done these thick sections with 2 torches working together,
>>>>> one
>>> just
>>>>> brings the joint up to just below red hot and the other runs the
>>>>> weld.
>>>>> They make a tip called a rosebud that spreads the heat over a large
>>>>> area
>>>>>
>>>>> Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>>
>>>>> From: Jim A <mailto:jagre@nemontel.net>
>>>>> To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
>>>>> <mailto:TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:19 PM
>>>>> Subject: [TailwindForum] TIG problem
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm at the point of frustration. Welding the engine mount with
>>>>> doubled tube ends for the landing gear. This the thickess metal and
>>>>> largest heat sink portion I've welded on the TW so far. When I
>>>>> apply
>>>>>
>>>>> more heat to get a puddle to form on this portion it will weld for
>>>>> about a quarter inch then pooff a crater forms in the weld and a
>>>>> ball of metal on my electrode. Stop change electrode clean weld
>>>>> start welding poof again? Metal very clean and degreassed. Not
>>>>> touching electrode to the puddle. Not sealing the last end of a
>>>>> tube. ?? Whats going on ?? Remedy?? Thanks in advance for your
>>>>> input
>>>>>
>>>>> gentlemen.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The Tailwind Forum group site is:
>>>>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> _____
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> * To visit your group on the web, go to:
>>>>> <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum/>
>>>>>
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>>>>> TailwindForum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
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>>>>> unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe>
>>>>>
>>>>> Service
>>>>> <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Estelle Danner" <edanner@jvlnet.com>
Thats good advice James Bob
Danner steamfitter welder local 394 madison wis. ps say hi to your B.A. John
Kasinski
----- Original Message -----
From: "James E. Wagner Jr." <jwagner@accesschicago.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] TIG problem
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "James E. Wagner Jr."
<jwagner@accesschicago.net>
>
> heavy 4130 must be preheated to at least 350. Wags, pipefitter welder
local
> 597 chicago
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Malcolm.Lovelace@coopertools.com>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 5:07 AM
> Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] TIG problem
>
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Malcolm.Lovelace@CooperTools.com
> >
> > You have air trapped between the 2 pieces of tubing. Drill a small hole
in
> > the outside piece. When you are finished welding go back and weld up the
> > small hole.
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: flamini2 [SMTP:flamini2@comcast.net]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2004 12:36 AM
> > > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com; TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] TIG problem
> > >
> > > Jim,
> > > i have done these thick sections with 2 torches working together, one
> just
> > > brings the joint up to just below red hot and the other runs the weld.
> > > They make a tip called a rosebud that spreads the heat over a large
area
> > >
> > > Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > >
> > > From: Jim A <mailto:jagre@nemontel.net>
> > > To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 11:19 PM
> > > Subject: [TailwindForum] TIG problem
> > >
> > > I'm at the point of frustration. Welding the engine mount with
> > > doubled tube ends for the landing gear. This the thickess metal and
> > > largest heat sink portion I've welded on the TW so far. When I apply
> > >
> > > more heat to get a puddle to form on this portion it will weld for
> > > about a quarter inch then pooff a crater forms in the weld and a
> > > ball of metal on my electrode. Stop change electrode clean weld
> > > start welding poof again? Metal very clean and degreassed. Not
> > > touching electrode to the puddle. Not sealing the last end of a
> > > tube. ?? Whats going on ?? Remedy?? Thanks in advance for your input
> > >
> > > gentlemen.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > The Tailwind Forum group site is:
> > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _____
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > * To visit your group on the web, go to:
> > > <http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TailwindForum/>
> > >
> > > * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to:
> > > TailwindForum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com
> > > <mailto:TailwindForum-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com?subject=Unsubscribe>
> > >
> > > <http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/>.
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "red" <redswings@reds-headers.com>
AUA, the agency that does the antique and vintage division insurance program
for EAA, has insured mine since before we loaded it on the trailer and
brought it home--they still insure it flying. 800 727 3823, you must be a
member of the Vintage Aircraft Assoc of EAA.
Red Hamilton
----- Original Message -----
From: "Robert Ardis" <ardis_rb@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Insurance Carrier
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Robert Ardis" <ardis_rb@hotmail.com>
>
> I have a Tailwind--4090K-- that I have rebuilt and made some mods
after
> flying it for many years. I also have acquired three other planes that
are
> in various stages of being rebuilt. It is obvious that I have too many
> dollars invested in parts, both engine and airframe, to loose them to
> tornado or fire.
> Question: Does anyone know of an insurance company that will insure
> the planes being rebuilt while in the the shop located in the business
> district of town? At one time I understood that Avemco had a policy that
> would cover the value of the plane in the construction stage.
> I would appreciate any info.
> Robert
>
>
> >From: "flamini2" <flamini2@comcast.net>
> >Reply-To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> >To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>, <TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com>
> >Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Insurance Carrier
> >Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2004 19:18:27 -0600
> >
> >Try Delbene out of Midway apt Chicago.
> >i have used them for over 10 years, current premium is $888 for 25K hull.
> >Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: dmagaw@att.net
> > To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 30, 2004 6:39 PM
> > Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] Insurance Carrier
> >
> >
> > AIG just insured N168A, through Skysmith. I don't think I bothered to
> >tell them it was a trike vs. a taildragger though.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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