Today's Message Index:
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1. 04:40 AM - Re: Cabin noise (Estelle Danner)
2. 06:22 AM - 4130 sheet and tubing (Jerry Hey)
3. 10:10 AM - Re: 4130 sheet and tubing (Ruhnke, Mike)
4. 11:06 AM - Aircraft Spruce Tubing Kit List (George Turner)
5. 02:00 PM - Re: Cabin noise (SHELIA PARKER)
6. 04:54 PM - Fw: tailwinds (Jerry Hey)
7. 10:06 PM - Re: Cabin noise (red)
8. 10:10 PM - Re: Cabin noise (red)
9. 10:47 PM - Lost Temper? (Richard Lamb)
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Estelle Danner" <edanner@jvlnet.com>
hi Red WHAT DID YOU SAY ??? see you in Baraboo soon Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: "red" <redswings@reds-headers.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Cabin noise
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "red" <redswings@reds-headers.com>
>
> Hi Bob,
> Out west there are lots of places to go, that even a Tailwind does not get
> to in two hours. Baraboo is one. And if I get much deafer Marilyn will
trade
> me in for a newer and better equipped model. So, I care about how much
noise
> is making me deafer. And yes, I have, and have had for years, noise
> cancelling head sets. And, when I fly the Tailwind, I wear foam earplugs
> under the headsets.
> That is why I am working on noise attenuation. It is OK with me if no one
> else wants to have a less noisy Tailwind. Just in case someone else might
> care about it, I share some of the info.
> Red
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Estelle Danner" <edanner@jvlnet.com>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 6:18 AM
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Cabin noise
>
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> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Estelle Danner"
<edanner@jvlnet.com>
> >
> > I have to agree with you Bill with the short exsaust pipes and the thin
> skin
> > all the way around buy a good noise canceling head set and dont spend
any
> > time trying to make it quite . its a noise maker let it snort what the
> heck
> > you wont be in it that long anyhow . in 2 hs. think about how far you
will
> > have gone and how many people you will have pissed off and passed up
> > .Bob Danner
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 6:22 AM
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Cabin noise
> >
> >
> > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard"
> > <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> > >
> > > In the 'for whatit's worth' category, several years ago at OSH, I
> stopped
> > by
> > > a booth selling high tech sound deadening material. When I told the
guy
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> > > the Tailwind was fabric covered, his response was "don't bother" with
> > sound
> > > deadening.
> > >
> > > Only slightly off this thread, I wonder what our European members are
> > doing
> > > about noise, especially from the exhaust?
> > >
> > > Bill
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rich Ellis" <rjrellis@yahoo.com>
> > > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 7:47 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Cabin noise
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rich Ellis <rjrellis@yahoo.com>
> > > >
> > > > Red,
> > > >
> > > > Very interesting information. It would be of most
> > > > interest to see the difference in db before and after
> > > > noise deadening was added to your W10. rle
> > > >
> > > > --- red <redswings@reds-headers.com> wrote:
> > > > > I've got some:
> > > > >
> > > > > O320 W-10 with 8lbs of sound barrier and absorber;
> > > > > and upholstery
> > > > >
> > > > > dB taxi climb 2500
> > > > > cruise 2000cruise
> > > > >
> > > > > Ear level 92 108 108
> > > > > 102
> > > > > Windshield 93
> > > > > Lap 87
> > > > >
> > > > > I have since changed mufflers and gotten about 2 dB
> > > > > less in cruise. I want to try the dive to 250 with
> > > > > closed throttle and see what that noise level is, as
> > > > > suggested. that would tend to isolate wind noise
> > > > > from engine noise. For the record, same meter, same
> > > > > w10, before any door seals or sound deadening, but
> > > > > with upholstery, 117 at high cruise! say what?
> > > > >
> > > > > Cessna 180, not generally thought of as a quiet
> > > > > a/c,1953 with O470U, Beech mufflers, no sound
> > > > > deadening on firewall,standard windshield and side
> > > > > windows, same categories, same meter
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> > > > > 86 102
> > > > > 98 94
> > > > >
> > > > > Red Hamilton
> > > > > 374WT
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: Dave Conrad
> > > > > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 8:11 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Cabin noise
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It would be interesting to know what the same
> > > > > meter would read in a Cessna 172 or warrior. Dave
> > > > > Conrad
> > > > > On Thursday, May 6, 2004, at 08:19 AM, DaveM
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > I visited Red Hamilton at Ft. Bragg, and we got
> > > > > to talking about noise levels in the Tailwind. He
> > > > > has been taking readings in his new one, and adding
> > > > > some sound deadening material. He loaned me his
> > > > > sound meter, and I took the following readings in
> > > > > N168A (Clement trike) on the way back to Yolo
> > > > > County. Thought the group might be interested.
> > > > >
> > > > > Here are the results:
> > > > >
> > > > > DB Taxi Runup Climb
> > > > > Cruise (2500) Slo Cruise (2000)
> > > > > Ear level 94 104
> > > > > 106 104-6 94
> > > > > Windshield 93 105 108
> > > > > 109-114 95
> > > > > Lap level 90 104
> > > > > 107 106 94
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> > > > > As you can see, the levels are fairly high, no
> > > > > matter where in the cabin it is measured. I think
> > > > > the meter is set to average sound intensity over a
> > > > > short (1 sec or so) interval.
> > > > > Dave
> > > > > N202Q
> > > > > N168A
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> > > > =====
> > > > Richard L. Ellis, M.D.
> > > > Gundersen Lutheran Health System
> > > > Co-Director
> > > > Norma J. Vinger Center for Breast Care
> > > > 1900 South Avenue
> > > > La Crosse, WI 54601
> > > > 800.362.9567, ext. 52102
> > > > rjrellis@yahoo.com
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| Subject: | 4130 sheet and tubing |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
I just talked to Charllie at Dillsburg concerting 4130 sheet. I now
call weekly for the latest update. According to Charlie (and I agree)
what we are seeing with 4130 is endemic of the entire steel supply.
Over the years, America's ability to manufacture our own steel has
steadily diminished to the point where we are now dependent of CHINA
for 4130. They can charge whatever they want and deliver according to
their own convenience.
Out sourcing of our ability to produce the products we need is a
disaster that threatens everything. Terrorists, who want to see the
end of our country, don't need to do a thing except wait. Our own
stupidity, greed and laziness will do the job for them. Jerry
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| Subject: | 4130 sheet and tubing |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Ruhnke, Mike" <ruhnkem@rayovac.com>
Yep. Next time we need machine guns... do you think the French will sell them
to us?
Mike NW Illinois
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Aircraft Spruce Tubing Kit List |
Is the Aircraft Spruce Tailwind Tubing Kit accurate now? Is the price competitive?
http://www.aircraftspruce.com/builderkits.php?PN=03-15800
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-----Red-- did I hear somewhere along the line that you have a muffler, if so
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I received the following inquiry today. Respond directly to Dean
Berger at: ehrdino@earthlink.net Thanks, Jerry
Begin forwarded message:
> From: "Dean Berger" <ehrdino@earthlink.net>
> Date: Mon May 10, 2004 6:37:43 PM America/Indianapolis
> To: j-winddesigns@thegrid.net
> Subject: tailwinds
> Reply-To: ehrdino@earthlink.net
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> looking for tailwind owners in Fla.
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> --- Dean Berger
> --- Ehrdino@earthlink.net
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "red" <redswings@reds-headers.com>
Bob,
We will sneak in--you won't know that we are there. We will see you at the
food area.
Red
----- Original Message -----
From: "Estelle Danner" <edanner@jvlnet.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Cabin noise
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Estelle Danner" <edanner@jvlnet.com>
>
> hi Red WHAT DID YOU SAY ??? see you in Baraboo soon Bob
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "red" <redswings@reds-headers.com>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, May 09, 2004 11:05 PM
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Cabin noise
>
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> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "red" <redswings@reds-headers.com>
> >
> > Hi Bob,
> > Out west there are lots of places to go, that even a Tailwind does not
get
> > to in two hours. Baraboo is one. And if I get much deafer Marilyn will
> trade
> > me in for a newer and better equipped model. So, I care about how much
> noise
> > is making me deafer. And yes, I have, and have had for years, noise
> > cancelling head sets. And, when I fly the Tailwind, I wear foam earplugs
> > under the headsets.
> > That is why I am working on noise attenuation. It is OK with me if no
one
> > else wants to have a less noisy Tailwind. Just in case someone else
might
> > care about it, I share some of the info.
> > Red
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Estelle Danner" <edanner@jvlnet.com>
> > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 6:18 AM
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Cabin noise
> >
> >
> > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Estelle Danner"
> <edanner@jvlnet.com>
> > >
> > > I have to agree with you Bill with the short exsaust pipes and the
thin
> > skin
> > > all the way around buy a good noise canceling head set and dont spend
> any
> > > time trying to make it quite . its a noise maker let it snort what
the
> > heck
> > > you wont be in it that long anyhow . in 2 hs. think about how far you
> will
> > > have gone and how many people you will have pissed off and passed up
> > > .Bob Danner
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> > > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > > Sent: Saturday, May 08, 2004 6:22 AM
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Cabin noise
> > >
> > >
> > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard"
> > > <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
> > > >
> > > > In the 'for whatit's worth' category, several years ago at OSH, I
> > stopped
> > > by
> > > > a booth selling high tech sound deadening material. When I told the
> guy
> > > that
> > > > the Tailwind was fabric covered, his response was "don't bother"
with
> > > sound
> > > > deadening.
> > > >
> > > > Only slightly off this thread, I wonder what our European members
are
> > > doing
> > > > about noise, especially from the exhaust?
> > > >
> > > > Bill
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Rich Ellis" <rjrellis@yahoo.com>
> > > > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > > > Sent: Friday, May 07, 2004 7:47 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Cabin noise
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Rich Ellis
<rjrellis@yahoo.com>
> > > > >
> > > > > Red,
> > > > >
> > > > > Very interesting information. It would be of most
> > > > > interest to see the difference in db before and after
> > > > > noise deadening was added to your W10. rle
> > > > >
> > > > > --- red <redswings@reds-headers.com> wrote:
> > > > > > I've got some:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > O320 W-10 with 8lbs of sound barrier and absorber;
> > > > > > and upholstery
> > > > > >
> > > > > > dB taxi climb 2500
> > > > > > cruise 2000cruise
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Ear level 92 108 108
> > > > > > 102
> > > > > > Windshield 93
> > > > > > Lap 87
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I have since changed mufflers and gotten about 2 dB
> > > > > > less in cruise. I want to try the dive to 250 with
> > > > > > closed throttle and see what that noise level is, as
> > > > > > suggested. that would tend to isolate wind noise
> > > > > > from engine noise. For the record, same meter, same
> > > > > > w10, before any door seals or sound deadening, but
> > > > > > with upholstery, 117 at high cruise! say what?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Cessna 180, not generally thought of as a quiet
> > > > > > a/c,1953 with O470U, Beech mufflers, no sound
> > > > > > deadening on firewall,standard windshield and side
> > > > > > windows, same categories, same meter
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 86 102
> > > > > > 98 94
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Red Hamilton
> > > > > > 374WT
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > From: Dave Conrad
> > > > > > To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> > > > > > Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 8:11 PM
> > > > > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Cabin noise
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It would be interesting to know what the same
> > > > > > meter would read in a Cessna 172 or warrior. Dave
> > > > > > Conrad
> > > > > > On Thursday, May 6, 2004, at 08:19 AM, DaveM
> > > > > > wrote:
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> > > > > > I visited Red Hamilton at Ft. Bragg, and we got
> > > > > > to talking about noise levels in the Tailwind. He
> > > > > > has been taking readings in his new one, and adding
> > > > > > some sound deadening material. He loaned me his
> > > > > > sound meter, and I took the following readings in
> > > > > > N168A (Clement trike) on the way back to Yolo
> > > > > > County. Thought the group might be interested.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Here are the results:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > DB Taxi Runup Climb
> > > > > > Cruise (2500) Slo Cruise (2000)
> > > > > > Ear level 94 104
> > > > > > 106 104-6 94
> > > > > > Windshield 93 105 108
> > > > > > 109-114 95
> > > > > > Lap level 90 104
> > > > > > 107 106 94
> > > > > >
> > > > > > As you can see, the levels are fairly high, no
> > > > > > matter where in the cabin it is measured. I think
> > > > > > the meter is set to average sound intensity over a
> > > > > > short (1 sec or so) interval.
> > > > > > Dave
> > > > > > N202Q
> > > > > > N168A
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> > > > > =====
> > > > > Richard L. Ellis, M.D.
> > > > > Gundersen Lutheran Health System
> > > > > Co-Director
> > > > > Norma J. Vinger Center for Breast Care
> > > > > 1900 South Avenue
> > > > > La Crosse, WI 54601
> > > > > 800.362.9567, ext. 52102
> > > > > rjrellis@yahoo.com
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Gordon,
I've been making various muffling devices, tubes with square ends, tubes with saw
cuts, tapered tubes with holes--I'm getting quite a family of them.
So far the least noisy, in the cockpit, is a tapered/flattened tube with 3/8" holes
down the bottom edge and an outlet slot of 1/4", it is 9 1/2" long and the
two weigh 1.7# with clamps.
I'll get some photos to the list someday.
Red
----- Original Message -----
From: SHELIA PARKER
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, May 10, 2004 1:59 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Cabin noise
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb <n6228l@earthlink.net>
No! I'm not mad at anybody.
It's the tailwheel leg of my parasol...
It certainly lost its temper. :
)
The first leg proved to be a little too springy (can you say Tigger?)
so I had a thicker one made. (1.5 T)
It's a flat leaf automotive spring - slightly reshaped for a tailwheel.
An hour or so running around on the ground bent the tailwheel up maybe
15 - 20 degrees!?!
So back to the Spring shop.
Turns out they just cold bent the flat stock and didn't reheat it.
(Their oven hasn't been fired in five years.)
So they made me two more just like the other one....
Best explination I got was that bending the tempered steel might
cause it to lose temper.
Is this just another one of those things I didn't know I didn't know?
Or what?
Richard
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