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| Subject: | Re: [TailwindForum] JUMP SEATS IN TAILWINDS |
Larry,
The 135# was our baggage for the first Kittyhawk to Oshkosh race, i had my Son
with me and supplies for the week.
i had reinforced the baggage area for 32 gal aux tank but did not get it done for
the race so we just pitted in Dayton and continued on.
My CG is slightly different from a stock TW as the wing was moved forward on the
spars, puts the fuel tank closer to the center of lift but passengers and baggage
farther behind.
As the fuel burns off it actually flies better as it is a little nose heavy with
the I0-360 and constant speed prop with full fuel (34gals) and no baggage.
Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry H
To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] JUMP SEATS IN TAILWINDS
Dennis, thank you for the reply. I am curious Dennis about the 135 lbs during
a race. Was it fuel ? Heck I thought you would have taken out the kitchen sink
during a race !
How did it handle upon landing and fuel burn off with the weight in the rear.
Thanks
Larry H.
----- Original Message -----
From: flamini2
To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] JUMP SEATS IN TAILWINDS
Larry,
i have a reinforced baggage floor using Tripacer alum spars and 727 honeycomb
floorboard. Max wt to date is 135.5# weighed on a scale during a race.
i could see a sideways jump seat with no problem.
Approx 1140 empty and 1880# gross raced at 196mph and climbed during the race
to 12,500' to clear weather.
i have short W-9 wings but lots of power and prop.
Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry H
To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 3:35 PM
Subject: [TailwindForum] JUMP SEATS IN TAILWINDS
I was wondering if anyone has any experience with jump seats in Tailwinds.
If so, what kind of weight limit. With full fuel, how many pounds of people
and luggage have any of you experienced? Anyone know off the top of your head
what empty and gross is supposed to be and if the plane is capable of more than
that structurally and if the landing and stall speed is or would be affected
very much.
Thanks
Larry H.
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Larry,
Funny you should mention the boats, i was looking at a 33' Cat with two 300hp Yamaha's
that had a 250 range with a 300gal tank, 55.8 gph at 43mph and bragging
about it!!!
Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry H
To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 8:17 PM
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] JUMP SEATS IN TAILWINDS
Thanks Dennis, after I asked the question, my light bulb showed a dim glow and
I figured it was your baggage and you were involved in a race cross country
rather than a local race course like at Sun n Fun. Of course I didn't know that
but that was the only reason I could figure you would want to haul around extra
weight during a race. I know guys that race sailboats and, (hee hee what a
comparison) strip most everything from inside to get extra partial knot speed.
Heck when you are making 8 knots, 8.2 would be great wouldn't it? Oh well,
I love going fast but I will have to admit that I like sailing because I am flying
a tandem wing (slowly of course) with both wings on one side of the fuselage
and I am not looking for a place to land all the time! :) One more thing
when on the lake-I am racing anyone close all the time whether they know it or
not.
Larry H.
----- Original Message -----
From: flamini2
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com ; TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 8:04 PM
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] JUMP SEATS IN TAILWINDS
Larry,
The 135# was our baggage for the first Kittyhawk to Oshkosh race, i had my
Son with me and supplies for the week.
i had reinforced the baggage area for 32 gal aux tank but did not get it done
for the race so we just pitted in Dayton and continued on.
My CG is slightly different from a stock TW as the wing was moved forward on
the spars, puts the fuel tank closer to the center of lift but passengers and
baggage farther behind.
As the fuel burns off it actually flies better as it is a little nose heavy
with the I0-360 and constant speed prop with full fuel (34gals) and no baggage.
Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry H
To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 6:17 PM
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] JUMP SEATS IN TAILWINDS
Dennis, thank you for the reply. I am curious Dennis about the 135 lbs during
a race. Was it fuel ? Heck I thought you would have taken out the kitchen
sink during a race !
How did it handle upon landing and fuel burn off with the weight in the rear.
Thanks
Larry H.
----- Original Message -----
From: flamini2
To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: [TailwindForum] JUMP SEATS IN TAILWINDS
Larry,
i have a reinforced baggage floor using Tripacer alum spars and 727 honeycomb
floorboard. Max wt to date is 135.5# weighed on a scale during a race.
i could see a sideways jump seat with no problem.
Approx 1140 empty and 1880# gross raced at 196mph and climbed during the
race to 12,500' to clear weather.
i have short W-9 wings but lots of power and prop.
Dennis Flamini N564DF race #53 Chicago
----- Original Message -----
From: Larry H
To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 06, 2004 3:35 PM
Subject: [TailwindForum] JUMP SEATS IN TAILWINDS
I was wondering if anyone has any experience with jump seats in Tailwinds.
If so, what kind of weight limit. With full fuel, how many pounds of people
and luggage have any of you experienced? Anyone know off the top of your head
what empty and gross is supposed to be and if the plane is capable of more
than that structurally and if the landing and stall speed is or would be affected
very much.
Thanks
Larry H.
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