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1. 05:10 AM - Re: nice W-8 for addoption (Alex Frizzell)
2. 07:20 AM - Re: nice W-8 for addoption (Richard Lamb)
3. 07:21 AM - Re: nice W-8 for addoption (Richard Lamb)
4. 09:28 AM - Re: nice W-8 for addoption (Estelle Danner)
5. 09:38 AM - Re: nice W-8 for addoption (Louis Owen)
6. 09:55 AM - Re: nice W-8 for addoption (Estelle Danner)
7. 02:03 PM - Re: nice W-8 for addoption (DaveM)
8. 07:22 PM - A need for airspeed. (DENNIS VEST)
9. 08:47 PM - Re: nice W-8 for addoption (Alex Frizzell)
10. 09:15 PM - Bending Control Surfaces (Craig Van Sickle)
11. 09:28 PM - Re: nice W-8 for addoption (Alex Frizzell)
12. 09:58 PM - Re: A need for airspeed. (mytyweav@earthlink.net)
13. 10:48 PM - Re: Bending Control Surfaces (Luc H.)
14. 11:17 PM - Re: Bending Control Surfaces (Richard Lamb)
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| Subject: | Re: nice W-8 for addoption |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 07:09:22 -0500
Richard, I sure need a lot of questions answered first. 1. How docile is the w-8
over the w-10? (landing speeds, stall ). I am at present building a w-10 and
have a lot of parts and some work done. Not planning on abandoning this project,
as I am a speed freak, but just wondered if it would be a good idea to purchase
a w-8 since they are quite a bit cheaper than some of the w-10s I have come
across. I've got " FLY FEVER". I have not flown in over a year. could I assume
that the w-8 would be a good trainer for the w-10? My flying experience consists
of 500 hr. cessna 152/172/182, 20+ hrs gliders student only, other obligations
halted my getting my glider ticket. some j-3, early years, and some Glassair
(no landings). Glassair spoiled me on speed. If you could answer some
of these questions I might be interested. I would like to see some pics of this
w-8 and do you know anything about the builder? (reputable craftsmanship) Any
info will be helpful.
Thanks Alex Frizzell
Alabama.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Lamb
To: Tailwind List
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 10:07 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: nice W-8 for addoption
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb <n6228l@earthlink.net>
Dave Sanford asked me to post a message to the list that
he is willing to sell his W-8 in order to motivate himself
to finish his W-10.
Asking $12k
Any one who is interested, send me a not and I'll get you
in touch with him.
Richard Lamb
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| Subject: | Re: nice W-8 for addoption |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb <n6228l@earthlink.net>
I put a couple of pics on the TailwindForum picture space.
One of the plane, on of the panel.
Look for N4GM folder.
This link MIGHT work?
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/tailwindforum/lst?&.dir=/N4GM
Richard
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| Subject: | Re: nice W-8 for addoption |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb <n6228l@earthlink.net>
Can someone who has actually flown both models answer this?
Richard, I sure need a lot of questions answered first. 1. How docile is
the w-8 over the w-10? (landing speeds, stall
). I am at present building a w-10 and have a lot of parts and some
work done. Not planning on abandoning this
project, as I am a speed freak, but just wondered if it would be a good
idea to purchase a w-8 since they are quite a
bit cheaper than some of the w-10s I have come across. I've got " FLY
FEVER". I have not flown in over a year. could
I assume that the w-8 would be a good trainer for the w-10? My flying
experience consists of 500 hr. cessna
152/172/182, 20+ hrs gliders student only, other obligations halted my
getting my glider ticket. some j-3, early
years, and some Glassair (no landings). Glassair spoiled me on speed.
If you could answer some of these questions I
might be interested. I would like to see some pics of this w-8 and do
you know anything about the builder?
(reputable craftsmanship) Any info will be helpful.
Thanks Alex Frizzell
Alabama.
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| Subject: | Re: nice W-8 for addoption |
go for it Alex Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Frizzell
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: nice W-8 for addoption
Richard, I sure need a lot of questions answered first. 1. How docile is the
w-8 over the w-10? (landing speeds, stall ). I am at present building a w-10 and
have a lot of parts and some work done. Not planning on abandoning this project,
as I am a speed freak, but just wondered if it would be a good idea to purchase
a w-8 since they are quite a bit cheaper than some of the w-10s I have
come across. I've got " FLY FEVER". I have not flown in over a year. could I
assume that the w-8 would be a good trainer for the w-10? My flying experience
consists of 500 hr. cessna 152/172/182, 20+ hrs gliders student only, other obligations
halted my getting my glider ticket. some j-3, early years, and some
Glassair (no landings). Glassair spoiled me on speed. If you could answer some
of these questions I might be interested. I would like to see some pics of this
w-8 and do you know anything about the builder? (reputable craftsmanship)
Any info will be helpful.
Thanks Alex Frizzell
Alabama.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Lamb
To: Tailwind List
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 10:07 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: nice W-8 for addoption
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb <n6228l@earthlink.net>
Dave Sanford asked me to post a message to the list that
he is willing to sell his W-8 in order to motivate himself
to finish his W-10.
Asking $12k
Any one who is interested, send me a not and I'll get you
in touch with him.
Richard p; entirely see Matronics ">http://www.matronics.com/chat<< ">tailwind-list@matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/s List FAQ: http://www.matron Search Engine: http://www.matronics.com/search< 7-Day Browse: http://www.matroni Browse Digests: http://www.matroni Live List Chat: http://www.matronics.com/chat< Archives: http://www.matronics.com/archi Photo Share: http://www.matronics.com/pho List Specific: http://www.matronics.com/ Other Lists: http://www.matronics.com/ema Trouble Report http://www.matronics.com/c
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| Subject: | Re: nice W-8 for addoption |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Louis Owen" <owenld@earthlink.net>
N4GM was built by Glen McQuiston in Indiana. I once got a ride in the
airplane.
Lou Owen Former N6PJ
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Lamb" <n6228l@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: nice W-8 for addoption
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb <n6228l@earthlink.net>
>
> I put a couple of pics on the TailwindForum picture space.
> One of the plane, on of the panel.
>
> Look for N4GM folder.
>
> This link MIGHT work?
> http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/tailwindforum/lst?&.dir=/N4GM
>
> Richard
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: nice W-8 for addoption |
Alex we have about the same experience 172/ 152 /a little champ/ cub time only
thing is i went to a trike . but what the heck you are still young enough to still
learn . to late for me i got about 5 hrs dual with Eldon McDaniel and i was
good to go . of course Eldon could fly a barn door if it had a engine and
rudder .get some dual have some fun Bob Danner
----- Original Message -----
From: Estelle Danner
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: nice W-8 for addoption
go for it Alex Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Frizzell
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: nice W-8 for addoption
Richard, I sure need a lot of questions answered first. 1. How docile is the
w-8 over the w-10? (landing speeds, stall ). I am at present building a w-10
and have a lot of parts and some work done. Not planning on abandoning this project,
as I am a speed freak, but just wondered if it would be a good idea to
purchase a w-8 since they are quite a bit cheaper than some of the w-10s I have
come across. I've got " FLY FEVER". I have not flown in over a year. could
I assume that the w-8 would be a good trainer for the w-10? My flying experience
consists of 500 hr. cessna 152/172/182, 20+ hrs gliders student only, other
obligations halted my getting my glider ticket. some j-3, early years, and some
Glassair (no landings). Glassair spoiled me on speed. If you could answer some
of these questions I might be interested. I would like to see some pics of
this w-8 and do you know anything about the builder? (reputable craftsmanship)
Any info will be helpful.
Thanks Alex Frizzell
Alabama.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Lamb
To: Tailwind List
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 10:07 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: nice W-8 for addoption
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb <n6228l@earthlink.net>
Dave Sanford asked me to post a message to the list that
he is willing to sell his W-8 in order to motivate himself
to finish his W-10.
Asking $12k
Any one who is interested, send me a not and I'll get you
in touch with him.
Richard p; entirely see Matronics ">http://www.matronics.com/chat<< ">tailwind-list@matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/s List FAQ: http://www.matron Search Engine: http://www.matronics.com/search< 7-Day Browse: http://www.matroni Browse Digests: http://www.matroni Live List Chat: http://www.matronics.com/chat< Archives: http://www.matronics.com/archi Photo Share: http://www.matronics.com/pho List Specific: http://www.matronics.com/ Other Lists: http://www.matronics.com/ema Trouble Report http://www.matronics.com/c
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| Subject: | Re: nice W-8 for addoption |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "DaveM" <dmagaw@att.net>
Good looking bird, and the price seems real reasonable also. What are the
times on airframe and SMOH?
Just curious, no I am not buying another one!
Dave
168A
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| Subject: | A need for airspeed. |
Seal-Send-Time: Sat, 12 Jun 2004 11:55:07 -0700
Last year while flying the orange tailwind my pitot line became disconnected at
the point where the line makes the 90 degree turn at the face of the front spar
inside the wing. The summer flying season is here and at some point I'd like
to have a working airspeed indicator. Probably a low pressure hose makes the
turn and no accommodation was made for when the hose dried and lost it's grip
on what appears to be a nyflow plastic line leading to the cockpit. There is
no access to this point and it seems that the only way to reconnect this line
is to cut a hole through the plywood skin and install a small inspection plate.
It seems a shame to cut a hole in this beautifully built wing but I see no option.
It's an obvious lesson that anytime you install hardware inside an inaccessible
structure, it has to be done right the first time.
Anybody have any suggestions?
Thanks Dennis Vest
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| Subject: | Re: nice W-8 for addoption |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 22:46:31 -0500
Bob, there are a couple of guys down here that are like that. I don't think they
have any tailwind experience, but the only thing missing is feathers and a beak.
I honestly believe they could fly with just their arms. One of these guys
never set foot in a glider and came to one of our meets and NO INSTRUCTION, jumped
into his New Grobe and flew it like a professional. Like I said, just needed
feathers and a beak. I want to check out this w-8 but the Boss said we need
a new home first. I feel I am going to loose this battle since I already have
started the w-10.
Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: Estelle Danner
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 11:55 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: nice W-8 for addoption
Alex we have about the same experience 172/ 152 /a little champ/ cub time only
thing is i went to a trike . but what the heck you are still young enough to
still learn . to late for me i got about 5 hrs dual with Eldon McDaniel and i
was good to go . of course Eldon could fly a barn door if it had a engine and
rudder .get some dual have some fun Bob Danner
----- Original Message -----
From: Estelle Danner
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 11:27 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: nice W-8 for addoption
go for it Alex Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Frizzell
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 7:09 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: nice W-8 for addoption
Richard, I sure need a lot of questions answered first. 1. How docile is
the w-8 over the w-10? (landing speeds, stall ). I am at present building a w-10
and have a lot of parts and some work done. Not planning on abandoning this
project, as I am a speed freak, but just wondered if it would be a good idea
to purchase a w-8 since they are quite a bit cheaper than some of the w-10s I
have come across. I've got " FLY FEVER". I have not flown in over a year. could
I assume that the w-8 would be a good trainer for the w-10? My flying experience
consists of 500 hr. cessna 152/172/182, 20+ hrs gliders student only, other
obligations halted my getting my glider ticket. some j-3, early years, and
some Glassair (no landings). Glassair spoiled me on speed. If you could answer
some of these questions I might be interested. I would like to see some pics
of this w-8 and do you know anything about the builder? (reputable craftsmanship)
Any info will be helpful.
Thanks Alex Frizzell
Alabama.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Lamb
To: Tailwind List
Sent: Sunday, June 13, 2004 10:07 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: nice W-8 for addoption
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb <n6228l@earthlink.net>
Dave Sanford asked me to post a message to the list that
he is willing to sell his W-8 in order to motivate himself
to finish his W-10.
Asking $12k
Any one who is interested, send me a not and I'll get you
in touch with him.
Richard p; entirely see Matronics ">http://www.matronics.com/chat<< ">tailwind-list@matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/s List FAQ: http://www.matron Search Engine: http://www.matronics.com/search< 7-Day Browse: http://www.matroni Browse Digests: http://www.matroni Live List Chat: http://www.matronics.com/chat< Archives: http://www.matronics.com/archi Photo Share: http://www.matronics.com/pho List Specific: http://www.matronics.com/ Other Lists: http://www.matronics.com/ema Trouble Report http://www.matronics.com/c
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| Subject: | Bending Control Surfaces |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Craig Van Sickle" <craigaboy@hotmail.com>
I recently began construction of the aluminum ailerons and flaps. The article in
TT called for using .020 or .025. After looking at the dimensions of the control
surfaces and playing with a piece of both thicknesses of metal I decided
on the .020. Ispent a few hours Friday night sceaming on a piece of paper howto
make the 64" bend for the flaps. I came up with a plan that I thought would
work but it sounded too easy so I gave it a try. I bought a very hard, straight2X4
and 2X6 stud.I also picked up a couple of very nice looking1X2s. The total
was around 10 bucks.(home depot must love guys like me picking through 30-40
boards to find the perfect one) The2X4 and 2X6 where cut to an inch over the
flap length. The2X4 was laid flat and the two1X2(more like 3/4X1 1/2) where screwed
on thewide face of the 2X4 forming agroove. The 2X6 was ripped to a 60 degree
point on one side then a 3/16radius was sand
ed on the edge.A piece of 1/2 plywood with a groove wide enough for the 2X6 attached
to each end of the 2X4,this allowed the 2X6 toslideup and down vertically
into the slot formed by the 2X4s and 1X2s. I then used the emergency jacks
from my truck and my wife's car, placed the assembly under my F150 and pressed
off the two frame rails. This bent thecontrol surfaces to 90 plus degrees. They
were then folded the rest of the way over. It worked very well, to my surprise.
If anyone is not intelligent enough toget there control surfaces bent by
a sheet metal shop and a little too cheap, I may have a solution for you. I am
curious howothers accomplished this bend?
Craig Van Sickle
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| Subject: | Re: nice W-8 for addoption |
Seal-Send-Time: Mon, 14 Jun 2004 23:27:39 -0500
Richard, Having a little trouble trying to get into Yahoo tailwind forum group.
don't know why I can't get the pics. I'll keep trying. Never had this problem
before.
Alex.
----- Original Message -----
From: Richard Lamb
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: nice W-8 for addoption
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb <n6228l@earthlink.net>
I put a couple of pics on the TailwindForum picture space.
One of the plane, on of the panel.
Look for N4GM folder.
This link MIGHT work?
http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/tailwindforum/lst?&.dir/N4GM
Richard
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| Subject: | A need for airspeed. |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "mytyweav@earthlink.net" <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Dennis.... It has to be done. I've gone thru the skin before and it can be
done without making a big "Zit"... Should be back to Calif by Friday.
Weav
Original Message:
-----------------
From: DENNIS VEST shorbird@msn.com
Subject: Tailwind-List: A need for airspeed.
Last year while flying the orange tailwind my pitot line became
disconnected at the point where the line makes the 90 degree turn at the
face of the front spar inside the wing. The summer flying season is here
and at some point I'd like to have a working airspeed indicator. Probably a
low pressure hose makes the turn and no accommodation was made for when the
hose dried and lost it's grip on what appears to be a nyflow plastic line
leading to the cockpit. There is no access to this point and it seems that
the only way to reconnect this line is to cut a hole through the plywood
skin and install a small inspection plate. It seems a shame to cut a hole
in this beautifully built wing but I see no option. It's an obvious lesson
that anytime you install hardware inside an inaccessible structure, it has
to be done right the first time.
Anybody have any suggestions?
Thanks Dennis Vest
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| Subject: | Re: Bending Control Surfaces |
Craig
Do you have a photo of this set up that you can share with us?
Luc
----- Original Message -----
From: Craig Van Sickle
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, June 14, 2004 9:15 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Bending Control Surfaces
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Craig Van Sickle"
I recently began construction of the aluminum ailerons and flaps. The article
in TT called for using .020 or .025. After looking at the dimensions of the control
surfaces and playing with a piece of both thicknesses of metal I decided
on the .020. I spent a few hours Friday night sceaming on a piece of paper how
to make the 64" bend for the flaps. I came up with a plan that I thought would
work but it sounded too easy so I gave it a try. I bought a very hard, straight
2X4 and 2X6 stud. I also picked up a couple of very nice looking 1X2s. The
total was around 10 bucks.(home depot must love guys like me picking through
30-40 boards to find the perfect one) The 2X4 and 2X6 where cut to an inch over
the flap length. The 2X4 was laid flat and the two 1X2(more like 3/4X1 1/2)
where screwed on the wide face of the 2X4 forming a groove. The 2X6 was ripped
to a 60 degree point on one side then a 3/16 radius was sand ed on the edge.
A piece of 1/2 plywood with a groove wide enough for the 2X6 attached to each
end of the 2X4, this allowed the 2X6 to slide up and down vertically into the
slot formed by the 2X4s and 1X2s. I then used the emergency jacks from my truck
and my wife's car, placed the assembly under my F150 and pressed off the two
frame rails. This bent the control surfaces to 90 plus degrees. They were then
folded the rest of the way over. It worked very well, to my surprise. If anyone
is not intelligent enough to get there control surfaces bent by a sheet
metal shop and a little too cheap, I may have a solution for you. I am curious
how others accomplished this bend?
Craig Van Sickle
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| Subject: | Re: Bending Control Surfaces |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb <n6228l@earthlink.net>
Huh! Mere child's play, Craig.
The ailerons on my new parasol are TWELVE FEET long. :)
Richard
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Craig Van Sickle"
I recently began construction of the aluminum ailerons and flaps.
The article in TT called for using .020 or .025.
After looking at the dimensions of the control surfaces and playing
with a piece of both thicknesses of metal I
decided on the .020. I spent a few hours Friday night sceaming on a
piece of paper how to make the 64" bend for
the flaps. I came up with a plan that I thought would work but it
sounded too easy so I gave it a try. I bought a very
hard, straight 2X4 and 2X6 stud. I also picked up a couple of very
nice looking 1X2s. The total was around 10
bucks.(home depot must love guys like me picking through 30-40
boards to find the perfect one) The 2X4 and 2X6
where cut to an inch over the flap length. The 2X4 was laid flat
and the two 1X2(more like 3/4X1 1/2) where
screwed on the wide face of the 2X4 forming a groove. The 2X6 was
ripped to a 60 degree point on one side then
a 3/16 radius was sand ed on the edge. A piece of 1/2 plywood with
a groove wide enough for the 2X6 attached
to each end of the 2X4, this allowed the 2X6 to slide up and down
vertically into the slot formed by the 2X4s and
1X2s. I then used the emergency jacks from my truck and my wife's
car, placed the assembly under my F150 and
pressed off the two frame rails. This bent the control surfaces to
90 plus degrees. They were then folded the rest
of the way over. It worked very well, to my surprise. If anyone is
not intelligent enough to get there control
surfaces bent by a sheet metal shop and a little too cheap, I may
have a solution for you. I am curious how others
accomplished this bend?
Craig Van Sickle
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