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1. 06:52 PM - Nails (Tom Cummings)
2. 09:05 PM - W-10 (john)
3. 09:57 PM - Re: Nails (Alex Frizzell)
4. 10:00 PM - Re: W-10 (Alex Frizzell)
5. 11:19 PM - Re: Nails (Tom Cummings)
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I went to an old flying service today to get some 1/4 inch nails to affix my gussets
to the capstrips. I want to use nails and leave them in the ribs just for
self assurance. I am using T-88 glue. I just thought I pick some of these nails
up within a short driving distance so I could get started building ribs this
weekend.
They had some nails that were thirty years old ! They used to rebuild Steamans
there and had some left over. I couldn't tell if they were coated or not - cement
or otherwise. They had not rusted any, however. They had been transferred
from boxes to a plastic container some years ago. Looked gray in color and may
be galvanized but I can't tell for sure. I guess I could several outside a few
days and see what happens to them.
Were any of these nails ever made untreated with any coating - Which is what I
want to avoid. Or would the epoxy or varnish I use be protection enough?
Thanks,
Tom
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
Due to Harold Cheneys passing, his W-10 project is for sale. It was nearly
completed when he removed the ceconite from the fuselage to weld dual sticks
and make some changes to the quarter windows. He has about $12.000. in the
project which includes an 0-290 Lyc which has been dissasembled and
inspected and appears to be in real good shape inside, also the mags and the
carb have been completely overhauled. Harolds wife is wondering if the
project is worth the $12,000, that Harold has in it. JohnD. Thankyou
Don't Archive.
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Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:57:35 -0500
Tom, I already had my ribs built when the discussion about nails came on line,
but the latest technique is to use staples and glue (T-88) so the staples can
be removed after the glue sets. I used brass brads 3/8 " I believe. This proved
to be a no-no. 1st they add weight and 2nd and most important to me was that
the brad heads after being covered with varnish, over a period of time the varnish/sealant
would crack around the head because it would not adhere to the metal
therefore allowing moisture into the wood. I am STILL removing brads from
my ribs, A very tedious process. The staples are hard enough to remove but far
more easier than brads. This T-88 is some pretty tuff stuff. Just try gluing
some scrap pieces and breaking them apart. At last count I think I have removed
2 gazillion brads and that is only on 1/2 of one wing. You might want to reconsider
the nails. Hope this gives you some insight on the subject. Others will
probably respond also.
Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Cummings
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:52 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Nails
I went to an old flying service today to get some 1/4 inch nails to affix my
gussets to the capstrips. I want to use nails and leave them in the ribs just
for self assurance. I am using T-88 glue. I just thought I pick some of these
nails up within a short driving distance so I could get started building ribs
this weekend.
They had some nails that were thirty years old ! They used to rebuild Steamans
there and had some left over. I couldn't tell if they were coated or not - cement
or otherwise. They had not rusted any, however. They had been transferred
from boxes to a plastic container some years ago. Looked gray in color and may
be galvanized but I can't tell for sure. I guess I could several outside a
few days and see what happens to them.
Were any of these nails ever made untreated with any coating - Which is what
I want to avoid. Or would the epoxy or varnish I use be protection enough?
Thanks,
Tom
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Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:00:37 -0500
John, see if you can post some pics and does it have the clement mods?
----- Original Message -----
From: john
To: tailwind
Cc: taiwind.forum@yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:44 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: W-10
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
Due to Harold Cheneys passing, his W-10 project is for sale. It was nearly
completed when he removed the ceconite from the fuselage to weld dual sticks
and make some changes to the quarter windows. He has about $12.000. in the
project which includes an 0-290 Lyc which has been dissasembled and
inspected and appears to be in real good shape inside, also the mags and the
carb have been completely overhauled. Harolds wife is wondering if the
project is worth the $12,000, that Harold has in it. JohnD. Thankyou
Don't Archive.
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Thanks Alex,
I guess I forgot about the varnish coming off the head of the nails.
I will consider the clamping method. It would eliminate the need to fill the holes
when nails or staples are removed.
Too bad there isn't a way to prime the heads with a metal primer after nailing
and before varnishing so the varnish would stick. But that would be time consuming,
too.
I did experiment with a regular office style paper stapler the other day. Fine
little wire staples and not too long. Easy to slip a sharp flat blade underneath
them. I would fold the base of the stapler away out of use and place the head
on the testpiece and strike the head with my hand. Tricky part was holding
the head accurately or the staple would bend or go crooked into the capstrip.
But it sure held the pieces together tight enough when done correctly and it was
difficult to remove these type of staples so they were holding firmly.
Good thing I didn't start nailing tonight!
Tom
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