---------------------------------------------------------- Tailwind-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 06/17/04: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:52 PM - Nails (Tom Cummings) 2. 09:05 PM - W-10 (john) 3. 09:57 PM - Re: Nails (Alex Frizzell) 4. 10:00 PM - Re: W-10 (Alex Frizzell) 5. 11:19 PM - Re: Nails (Tom Cummings) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:52 PM PST US From: "Tom Cummings" Subject: Tailwind-List: Nails I went to an old flying service today to get some 1/4 inch nails to affix my gussets to the capstrips. I want to use nails and leave them in the ribs just for self assurance. I am using T-88 glue. I just thought I pick some of these nails up within a short driving distance so I could get started building ribs this weekend. They had some nails that were thirty years old ! They used to rebuild Steamans there and had some left over. I couldn't tell if they were coated or not - cement or otherwise. They had not rusted any, however. They had been transferred from boxes to a plastic container some years ago. Looked gray in color and may be galvanized but I can't tell for sure. I guess I could several outside a few days and see what happens to them. Were any of these nails ever made untreated with any coating - Which is what I want to avoid. Or would the epoxy or varnish I use be protection enough? Thanks, Tom ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:05:42 PM PST US From: "john" Subject: Tailwind-List: W-10 --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" Due to Harold Cheneys passing, his W-10 project is for sale. It was nearly completed when he removed the ceconite from the fuselage to weld dual sticks and make some changes to the quarter windows. He has about $12.000. in the project which includes an 0-290 Lyc which has been dissasembled and inspected and appears to be in real good shape inside, also the mags and the carb have been completely overhauled. Harolds wife is wondering if the project is worth the $12,000, that Harold has in it. JohnD. Thankyou Don't Archive. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:57:36 PM PST US From: "Alex Frizzell" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Nails Seal-Send-Time: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:57:35 -0500 Tom, I already had my ribs built when the discussion about nails came on line, but the latest technique is to use staples and glue (T-88) so the staples can be removed after the glue sets. I used brass brads 3/8 " I believe. This proved to be a no-no. 1st they add weight and 2nd and most important to me was that the brad heads after being covered with varnish, over a period of time the varnish/sealant would crack around the head because it would not adhere to the metal therefore allowing moisture into the wood. I am STILL removing brads from my ribs, A very tedious process. The staples are hard enough to remove but far more easier than brads. This T-88 is some pretty tuff stuff. Just try gluing some scrap pieces and breaking them apart. At last count I think I have removed 2 gazillion brads and that is only on 1/2 of one wing. You might want to reconsider the nails. Hope this gives you some insight on the subject. Others will probably respond also. Alex ----- Original Message ----- From: Tom Cummings To: tailwind-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:52 PM Subject: Tailwind-List: Nails I went to an old flying service today to get some 1/4 inch nails to affix my gussets to the capstrips. I want to use nails and leave them in the ribs just for self assurance. I am using T-88 glue. I just thought I pick some of these nails up within a short driving distance so I could get started building ribs this weekend. They had some nails that were thirty years old ! They used to rebuild Steamans there and had some left over. I couldn't tell if they were coated or not - cement or otherwise. They had not rusted any, however. They had been transferred from boxes to a plastic container some years ago. Looked gray in color and may be galvanized but I can't tell for sure. I guess I could several outside a few days and see what happens to them. Were any of these nails ever made untreated with any coating - Which is what I want to avoid. Or would the epoxy or varnish I use be protection enough? Thanks, Tom ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:00:35 PM PST US From: "Alex Frizzell" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W-10 Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 00:00:37 -0500 John, see if you can post some pics and does it have the clement mods? ----- Original Message ----- From: john To: tailwind Cc: taiwind.forum@yahoo.com Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:44 PM Subject: Tailwind-List: W-10 --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" Due to Harold Cheneys passing, his W-10 project is for sale. It was nearly completed when he removed the ceconite from the fuselage to weld dual sticks and make some changes to the quarter windows. He has about $12.000. in the project which includes an 0-290 Lyc which has been dissasembled and inspected and appears to be in real good shape inside, also the mags and the carb have been completely overhauled. Harolds wife is wondering if the project is worth the $12,000, that Harold has in it. JohnD. Thankyou Don't Archive. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:19:20 PM PST US From: "Tom Cummings" Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Nails Thanks Alex, I guess I forgot about the varnish coming off the head of the nails. I will consider the clamping method. It would eliminate the need to fill the holes when nails or staples are removed. Too bad there isn't a way to prime the heads with a metal primer after nailing and before varnishing so the varnish would stick. But that would be time consuming, too. I did experiment with a regular office style paper stapler the other day. Fine little wire staples and not too long. Easy to slip a sharp flat blade underneath them. I would fold the base of the stapler away out of use and place the head on the testpiece and strike the head with my hand. Tricky part was holding the head accurately or the staple would bend or go crooked into the capstrip. But it sure held the pieces together tight enough when done correctly and it was difficult to remove these type of staples so they were holding firmly. Good thing I didn't start nailing tonight! Tom