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1. 06:11 AM - Re: W-10 (Robert Ardis)
2. 06:46 AM - Re: W-10 (Estelle Danner)
3. 03:57 PM - Re: W-10 (Alex Frizzell)
4. 06:46 PM - Re: Nails (Dave Conrad)
5. 07:39 PM - W-10 (john)
6. 08:22 PM - Re: W-10 (Alex Frizzell)
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Robert Ardis" <ardis_rb@hotmail.com>
John, Projects really need to be close to a prospect buyer in order that the
prospect
can evaluate everything. Where is the project? Some of the Tailwind
experts
could give her a good answer, I am sure.
>From: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
>Reply-To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
>To: "tailwind" <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
>CC: <taiwind.forum@yahoo.com>
>Subject: Tailwind-List: W-10
>Date: Thu, 17 Jun 2004 23:44:48 -0400
>
>--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
>
>Due to Harold Cheneys passing, his W-10 project is for sale. It was nearly
>completed when he removed the ceconite from the fuselage to weld dual
>sticks
>and make some changes to the quarter windows. He has about $12.000. in the
>project which includes an 0-290 Lyc which has been dissasembled and
>inspected and appears to be in real good shape inside, also the mags and
>the
>carb have been completely overhauled. Harolds wife is wondering if the
>project is worth the $12,000, that Harold has in it. JohnD. Thankyou
>Don't Archive.
>
>
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HI Alex to many tailwinds to look at? decisions , decisions oh boy aint this fun
. Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Frizzell
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W-10
John, see if you can post some pics and does it have the clement mods?
----- Original Message -----
From: john
To: tailwind
Cc: taiwind.forum@yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:44 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: W-10
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
Due to Harold Cheneys passing, his W-10 project is for sale. It was nearly
completed when he removed the ceconite from the fuselage to weld dual sticks
and make some changes to the quarter windows. He has about $12.000. in the
project which includes an 0-290 Lyc which has been dissasembled and
inspected and appears to be in real good shape inside, also the mags and the
carb have been completely overhauled. Harolds wife is wondering if the
project is worth the $12,000, that Harold has in it. JohnD. Thankyou
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Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 17:57:26 -0500
yea, Bob, they're everywhere and I am broke. Guess I'll have to sell the motorcycle.
I want to fly more than I want to ride right now. (wife influenced me on
this idea) anyways, hope to see you guys in July.
Alex
----- Original Message -----
From: Estelle Danner
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 8:46 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W-10
HI Alex to many tailwinds to look at? decisions , decisions oh boy aint this
fun . Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: Alex Frizzell
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 12:00 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W-10
John, see if you can post some pics and does it have the clement mods?
----- Original Message -----
From: john
To: tailwind
Cc: taiwind.forum@yahoo.com
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 10:44 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: W-10
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
Due to Harold Cheneys passing, his W-10 project is for sale. It was nearly
completed when he removed the ceconite from the fuselage to weld dual sticks
and make some changes to the quarter windows. He has about $12.000. in the
project which includes an 0-290 Lyc which has been dissasembled and
inspected and appears to be in real good shape inside, also the mags and
the
carb have been completely overhauled. Harolds wife is wondering if the
project is worth the $12,000, that Harold has in it. JohnD. Thankyou
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Just a reminder guys, Stearmans and other aircraft of that time used
brass nails in wing construction. yes the wood may discolor a bit
around the nails but it certainly is a proven method of holding things
together for the long haul. As I recall I used less than 1/4 lb of
nails in building wing ribs, I can live with that. The glue will tend
to wick around the nails to some degree to further seal the wood around
the nails. T88 is great glue and those old airplanes were held together
with Plastic resin glue witch in my opinion was not much of a glue
compared with todays epoxies. Dave Conrad
On Thursday, June 17, 2004, at 11:57 PM, Alex Frizzell wrote:
> Tom, I already had my ribs built when the discussion about nails came
> on line, but the latest technique is to use staples and glue (T-88) so
> the staples can be removed after the glue sets. I used brass brads 3/8
> " I believe. This proved to be a no-no. 1st they add weight and 2nd
> and most important to me was that the brad heads after being covered
> with varnish, over a period of time the varnish/sealant would crack
> around the head because it would not adhere to the metal therefore
> allowing moisture into the wood. I am STILL=A0 removing brads from my
> ribs, A very tedious process. The staples are hard enough to remove
> but far more easier than brads. This T-88 is some pretty tuff stuff.
> Just try gluing some scrap pieces and breaking them apart. At last
> count I think I have removed 2 gazillion brads and that is only on 1/2
> of one wing. You might want to reconsider the nails. Hope this gives
> you some insight on the subject. Others will probably respond also.
>
> Alex
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Tom Cummings
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 8:52 PM
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Nails
>
> I went to an old flying service today to get some 1/4 inch nails to
> affix my gussets to the capstrips. I want to use nails and leave them
> in the ribs just for self assurance. I am using T-88 glue. I just
> thought I pick some of these nails up within a short driving distance
> so I could get started building ribs this weekend.
> They had some nails that were thirty years old ! They used to rebuild
> Steamans there and had some left over.=A0I couldn't tell if they were
> coated or not - cement or otherwise. They had not rusted any, however.
> They had been transferred from boxes to a plastic container some years
> ago. Looked gray in color and may be galvanized but I can't tell for
> sure.I guess I could several outside a few days and see what happens
> to them.
> Were any of these nails ever made untreated with any coating -Which
> is what I want to avoid. Or would the epoxy or varnish I use be
> protection enough?
> Thanks,
> Tom
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
Alex; The W-10 does not have the Clement Mods. It does have the the
triangular 1/4 windows. I don't have any pictures here and will be off to
the National Short Wing Piper Meeting at Sault St Marie, MI in early
morning to help with convention. The plane is in Northern Michigan and she
has a fellow there that is interested if they can get together on price.
She ask me on the value. I don't have any idea over the price of materials.
JohnD Don't Archive.
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Seal-Send-Time: Fri, 18 Jun 2004 22:22:32 -0500
Thanks John,
Alex.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: john
To: tailwind
Sent: Friday, June 18, 2004 9:46 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: W-10
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "john" <frmrjohn@netonecom.net>
Alex; The W-10 does not have the Clement Mods. It does have the the
triangular 1/4 windows. I don't have any pictures here and will be off to
the National Short Wing Piper Meeting at Sault St Marie, MI in early
morning to help with convention. The plane is in Northern Michigan and she
has a fellow there that is interested if they can get together on price.
She ask me on the value. I don't have any idea over the price of materials.
JohnD Don't Archive.
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