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1. 05:42 AM - Baraboo trip (Dave Conrad)
2. 04:09 PM - FAA ID code for Tailwinds (William Bernard)
3. 04:14 PM - Re: FAA ID code for Tailwinds (Rodney Cody)
4. 04:56 PM - Re: Nails (ROBERT MATTESON)
5. 07:33 PM - Re: Nails (Tom Cummings)
6. 07:52 PM - Re: Nails (Jim and Donna Clement)
7. 07:56 PM - Re: Nails (Bob Rogers)
8. 08:56 PM - Re: Nails (Richard Lamb)
9. 11:25 PM - Re: Nails (Tom Cummings)
10. 11:25 PM - Re: Nails (Tom Cummings)
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Tailwind matronics <tailwind-list@matronics.com>,
tailwindtrike <edanner@jvlnet.com>, Jim Clement <168x@merr.com>
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Dave Conrad <dconrad@dwave.net>
Good morning guys, I hope to have wheels up about 9:30 am this morning.
That puts me down in Baraboo at about 10:30 in the Hatz. See you then.
P.S. If you have time Bob I'd like to swap a ride. See you later, Dave
Conrad
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| Subject: | FAA ID code for Tailwinds |
Does anyone know the identifier code used on a flightplan that identifies a Tailwind
to the FAA? I used to have a web site to look that stuff up, but must have
deleted it.
Thanks for the help
Bill
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| Subject: | Re: FAA ID code for Tailwinds |
Hi Bill,
I'm not sure if this is what you are looking for, but I list my W-8 as
"HXP/U" or change the "U" to what ever equipment you may have on board.
Talk with you later, Rod
William Bernard wrote:
> Does anyone know the identifier code used on a flightplan that
> identifies a Tailwind to the FAA? I used to have a web site to look
> that stuff up, but must have deleted it.
>
> Thanks for the help
>
> Bill
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I've worked on several antique aircraft with brass nails in the rib gussets and
never seen much of a problem. One of them was a 1939 Aeronca Chief that had
cardboard gussets due to a shortage of plywood in 1939. I made all new ribs
for this one, but only because the cardboard was delaminating. Are the nails
you have magnetic? The only reason I'ld use staples is because those little
nails are a pain to install.
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Cummings
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 9:52 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Nails
I went to an old flying service today to get some 1/4 inch nails to affix my
gussets to the capstrips. I want to use nails and leave them in the ribs just
for self assurance. I am using T-88 glue. I just thought I pick some of these
nails up within a short driving distance so I could get started building ribs
this weekend.
They had some nails that were thirty years old ! They used to rebuild Steamans
there and had some left over. I couldn't tell if they were coated or not -
cement or otherwise. They had not rusted any, however. They had been transferred
from boxes to a plastic container some years ago. Looked gray in color and
may be galvanized but I can't tell for sure. I guess I could several outside
a few days and see what happens to them.
Were any of these nails ever made untreated with any coating - Which is what
I want to avoid. Or would the epoxy or varnish I use be protection enough?
Thanks,
Tom
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Robert,
The nails are magnetic. They are gray in color and appear not to be coated. I can't
tell for sure.
I made the first rib yesterday as a test sample. One side with staples - the other
with nails driven in almost all the way, so I could remove them easier. I
removed the staples, (the clearical office paper kind), and nails today and the
nails left many large holes in the plywood. I guess the varnish fills these
holes? Or do I need to fill them with a putty (Super Fil) etc.? I am tempted to
put the nails back in !
So I about decided to make the rest of the ribs with nails and leave them in. I
could smear some epoxy on the plywood before placing the nails to provide some
sealing. properties. Building the ribs quickly is not a priority. Don't mind
the time.
The T-88 glue bottle says not to use glued parts above 150 degrees F. So I'd rather
leave the nails in for this reason, too.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: ROBERT MATTESON
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Nails
I've worked on several antique aircraft with brass nails in the rib gussets
and never seen much of a problem. One of them was a 1939 Aeronca Chief that
had cardboard gussets due to a shortage of plywood in 1939. I made all new ribs
for this one, but only because the cardboard was delaminating. Are the nails
you have magnetic? The only reason I'ld use staples is because those little
nails are a pain to install.
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Cummings
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 9:52 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Nails
I went to an old flying service today to get some 1/4 inch nails to affix
my gussets to the capstrips. I want to use nails and leave them in the ribs just
for self assurance. I am using T-88 glue. I just thought I pick some of these
nails up within a short driving distance so I could get started building ribs
this weekend.
They had some nails that were thirty years old ! They used to rebuild Steamans
there and had some left over. I couldn't tell if they were coated or not
- cement or otherwise. They had not rusted any, however. They had been transferred
from boxes to a plastic container some years ago. Looked gray in color and
may be galvanized but I can't tell for sure. I guess I could several outside
a few days and see what happens to them.
Were any of these nails ever made untreated with any coating - Which is
what I want to avoid. Or would the epoxy or varnish I use be protection enough?
Thanks,
Tom
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Tom, Go with the staples and remove them later. Much faster and easier to remove.
The nails you have are steel and eventually will turn black in the wood. The
heads will also stick up and prevent a good fit for the triangular corner blocks.
Don't worry about the holes from the staples, whatever you use to seal
the wood will fill them. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Cummings
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 9:33 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Nails
Robert,
The nails are magnetic. They are gray in color and appear not to be coated. I
can't tell for sure.
I made the first rib yesterday as a test sample. One side with staples - the
other with nails driven in almost all the way, so I could remove them easier.
I removed the staples, (the clearical office paper kind), and nails today and
the nails left many large holes in the plywood. I guess the varnish fills these
holes? Or do I need to fill them with a putty (Super Fil) etc.? I am tempted
to put the nails back in !
So I about decided to make the rest of the ribs with nails and leave them in.
I could smear some epoxy on the plywood before placing the nails to provide some
sealing. properties. Building the ribs quickly is not a priority. Don't mind
the time.
The T-88 glue bottle says not to use glued parts above 150 degrees F. So I'd
rather leave the nails in for this reason, too.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: ROBERT MATTESON
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Nails
I've worked on several antique aircraft with brass nails in the rib gussets
and never seen much of a problem. One of them was a 1939 Aeronca Chief that
had cardboard gussets due to a shortage of plywood in 1939. I made all new
ribs for this one, but only because the cardboard was delaminating. Are the nails
you have magnetic? The only reason I'ld use staples is because those little
nails are a pain to install.
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Cummings
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 9:52 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Nails
I went to an old flying service today to get some 1/4 inch nails to affix
my gussets to the capstrips. I want to use nails and leave them in the ribs
just for self assurance. I am using T-88 glue. I just thought I pick some of
these nails up within a short driving distance so I could get started building
ribs this weekend.
They had some nails that were thirty years old ! They used to rebuild Steamans
there and had some left over. I couldn't tell if they were coated or not
- cement or otherwise. They had not rusted any, however. They had been transferred
from boxes to a plastic container some years ago. Looked gray in color
and may be galvanized but I can't tell for sure. I guess I could several outside
a few days and see what happens to them.
Were any of these nails ever made untreated with any coating - Which is
what I want to avoid. Or would the epoxy or varnish I use be protection enough?
Thanks,
Tom
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To handle the nails I took a pair of disposable scissors that I got during one
of my wife's trips to the cardiac unit, filed a small notch in one side, and use
that to hold the nails while I hammer. Saves the fingers.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: ROBERT MATTESON
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Nails
I've worked on several antique aircraft with brass nails in the rib gussets
and never seen much of a problem. One of them was a 1939 Aeronca Chief that
had cardboard gussets due to a shortage of plywood in 1939. I made all new ribs
for this one, but only because the cardboard was delaminating. Are the nails
you have magnetic? The only reason I'ld use staples is because those little
nails are a pain to install.
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Cummings
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 9:52 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Nails
I went to an old flying service today to get some 1/4 inch nails to affix
my gussets to the capstrips. I want to use nails and leave them in the ribs just
for self assurance. I am using T-88 glue. I just thought I pick some of these
nails up within a short driving distance so I could get started building ribs
this weekend.
They had some nails that were thirty years old ! They used to rebuild Steamans
there and had some left over. I couldn't tell if they were coated or not
- cement or otherwise. They had not rusted any, however. They had been transferred
from boxes to a plastic container some years ago. Looked gray in color and
may be galvanized but I can't tell for sure. I guess I could several outside
a few days and see what happens to them.
Were any of these nails ever made untreated with any coating - Which is
what I want to avoid. Or would the epoxy or varnish I use be protection enough?
Thanks,
Tom
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb <n6228l@earthlink.net>
Robert,
The nails are magnetic. They are gray in color and appear not to be
coated. I can't tell for sure.
I made the first rib yesterday as a test sample. One side with staples -
the other with nails driven in almost all the way, so I could remove
them
easier. I removed the staples, (the clearical office paper kind), and
nails today and the nails left many large holes in the plywood. I guess
the
varnish fills these holes? Or do I need to fill them with a putty (Super
Fil) etc.? I am tempted to put the nails back in !
So I about decided to make the rest of the ribs with nails and leave
them in. I could smear some epoxy on the plywood before placing the
nails to
provide some sealing. properties. Building the ribs quickly is not a
priority. Don't mind the time.
The T-88 glue bottle says not to use glued parts above 150 degrees F. So
I'd rather leave the nails in for this reason, too.
Tom
Hi Tom,
As Jim said, the varnish will fill the nail holes.
Nails add NO real strength to the assembly.
They just hold parts together while the glue sets.
Up in Kansas I learned that the way to build a house that will survive
high winds (tornados) is to simply GLUE the joints. Nails alone just
don't cut it.
Richard
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Tom Cummings" <tomlc@earthlink.net>
The office paper staples were very easy to remove. Leaves very tiny holes. I
used the office stapler and would strike it with my hand. Very effective. I
would get a definite good squeeze of glue protruding from the edges of the
wood.
Also found that Arrow Office staples #25 will fit in my Arrow T-50m stapler.
Except two staples at a time would discharge because the plunger is thicker.
No matter. Just provides more gripping action- just uses twice as many
staples, which are cheap so it is not a problem. An X-Acto knife blade would
easily slip under the staples after the glue dried and allow prying one end
of the staple out and then pull the rest out with pliers. Doesn't take long.
I am using mahogany ply for the gussets.
Thanks everybody.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: "Richard Lamb" <n6228l@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Nails
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Richard Lamb <n6228l@earthlink.net>
>
>
> Robert,
> The nails are magnetic. They are gray in color and appear not to be
> coated. I can't tell for sure.
> I made the first rib yesterday as a test sample. One side with staples -
> the other with nails driven in almost all the way, so I could remove
> them
> easier. I removed the staples, (the clearical office paper kind), and
> nails today and the nails left many large holes in the plywood. I guess
> the
> varnish fills these holes? Or do I need to fill them with a putty (Super
> Fil) etc.? I am tempted to put the nails back in !
> So I about decided to make the rest of the ribs with nails and leave
> them in. I could smear some epoxy on the plywood before placing the
> nails to
> provide some sealing. properties. Building the ribs quickly is not a
> priority. Don't mind the time.
> The T-88 glue bottle says not to use glued parts above 150 degrees F. So
> I'd rather leave the nails in for this reason, too.
> Tom
>
> Hi Tom,
>
> As Jim said, the varnish will fill the nail holes.
>
> Nails add NO real strength to the assembly.
> They just hold parts together while the glue sets.
>
> Up in Kansas I learned that the way to build a house that will survive
> high winds (tornados) is to simply GLUE the joints. Nails alone just
> don't cut it.
>
> Richard
>
>
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Yes Bob,
A pair of curved hemostats work good, too. Used with the inside curve side up,
it is easier to move the nail into position and hold it vericle.
Tom
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Rogers
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 10:26 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Nails
To handle the nails I took a pair of disposable scissors that I got during one
of my wife's trips to the cardiac unit, filed a small notch in one side, and
use that to hold the nails while I hammer. Saves the fingers.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: ROBERT MATTESON
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, June 19, 2004 6:55 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Nails
I've worked on several antique aircraft with brass nails in the rib gussets
and never seen much of a problem. One of them was a 1939 Aeronca Chief that
had cardboard gussets due to a shortage of plywood in 1939. I made all new
ribs for this one, but only because the cardboard was delaminating. Are the nails
you have magnetic? The only reason I'ld use staples is because those little
nails are a pain to install.
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Cummings
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2004 9:52 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: Nails
I went to an old flying service today to get some 1/4 inch nails to affix
my gussets to the capstrips. I want to use nails and leave them in the ribs
just for self assurance. I am using T-88 glue. I just thought I pick some of
these nails up within a short driving distance so I could get started building
ribs this weekend.
They had some nails that were thirty years old ! They used to rebuild Steamans
there and had some left over. I couldn't tell if they were coated or not
- cement or otherwise. They had not rusted any, however. They had been transferred
from boxes to a plastic container some years ago. Looked gray in color
and may be galvanized but I can't tell for sure. I guess I could several outside
a few days and see what happens to them.
Were any of these nails ever made untreated with any coating - Which is
what I want to avoid. Or would the epoxy or varnish I use be protection enough?
Thanks,
Tom
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