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1. 04:39 AM - Re: Baraboo (William Bernard)
2. 05:09 AM - Re:Stamsa incident (mytyweav@earthlink.net)
3. 05:18 AM - 70P (Ruhnke, Mike)
4. 05:20 AM - Re: sandblast (Paul Holmes)
5. 05:31 AM - Re: Re:Stamsa incident (Jerry Hey)
6. 05:47 AM - Re: 70P (mytyweav@earthlink.net)
7. 05:56 AM - Re: sandblast (Jim and Donna Clement)
8. 06:30 AM - Re: Re:Stamsa incident (DaveM)
9. 07:08 AM - Re: Re:Stamsa incident (Jerry Hey)
10. 08:57 AM - Re: Varnishing wing interior - Problems (IslPilot@aol.com)
11. 09:26 AM - Re: Varnishing wing interior - Problems (Eric Schlanser)
12. 09:59 AM - static port (Tom McGehee)
13. 10:23 AM - Re: Varnishing wing interior - Problems (mike_tailwind@att.net)
14. 10:27 AM - Re: static port (DaveM)
15. 06:36 PM - oil/air separator (GORDON PARKER)
16. 06:53 PM - Re: oil/air separator (Jim and Donna Clement)
17. 08:52 PM - Re:Stamsa incident (Davstamsta@aol.com)
18. 09:25 PM - Re: oil/air separator (Dave Conrad)
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
Red, I went to Kent Paser's forum on speed mods at OSH. One of the subjects
was exhaust systems. Kent described the use of port mismatching and
anti-reversion cones to reduce the amount of exhaust that flows back into
the cylinders during the valve overlap.
Could something like this be incorporated into your TW exhaust, or has it
been already?
Thanks
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "red" <redswings@reds-headers.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "red" <redswings@reds-headers.com>
>
> Dave,
> I could make some up.
> The ones on 374WT are mild steel, all of the trial parts are. I got some
> stainless to make whatever I end up with. Out of stainless, depends on
what
> I find as the best deal on the tubing. On the mild steel, we could do it
for
> $30pr plus shipping for some like I had on it at B'boo.
> Red
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Dave Conrad" <dconrad@dwave.net>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, August 03, 2004 6:09 AM
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Baraboo
>
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Dave Conrad <dconrad@dwave.net>
> >
> > Red, Very nice to have met you. You pay very close attention to the
> > details and it shows on the great looking Tailwind that you have. Dave
> > Conrad
> > P.S. How much for a set of those exhaust pipe tips you built? I think
> > several of the Tailwinders would be interested if you made some up.
> > On Monday, August 2, 2004, at 11:22 PM, red wrote:
> >
> > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "red"
<redswings@reds-headers.com>
> > >
> > > Tailwinders,
> > > Congratulations, Malcolm won an Bronze Lindy for his beautiful 81ML at
> > > Oshkosh.
> > > Thanks to all at Baraboo and OSH for the help and company.
> > > To Jim for the shop use, help and supplies, to Dan for being so
> > > helpful, to
> > > Dave Conrad for a helping hand, to George for being social director,
> > > to Earl
> > > Luce for showing me how to move the rear spar carry-through without
> > > recovering the fuselage, to Laura Luce for watching our Tailwind when
> > > we
> > > went sightseeing, to Jim Stanton for history and information, to
> > > Fearless
> > > Fred for entertainment, Donna for transport and company, and to
> > > everyone and
> > > anyone that I may have forgotten here.
> > > Our condolences to Bob Danner on the loss that we all share.
> > > Red and Marilyn
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: <Malcolm.Lovelace@coopertools.com>
> > > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > > Sent: Monday, August 02, 2004 1:13 PM
> > > Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Baraboo-My other ride
> > >
> > >
> > >> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Malcolm.Lovelace@CooperTools.com
> > >>
> > >> Dan,
> > >>
> > >> Glad you enjoyed it, now get your Tailwind in the air. I made it home
> > >> Saturday afternoon after spending Friday night in Valpo, Ind. Let me
> > >> know
> > >> when you get your airplane back to the airport. I will fly down some
> > >> Saturday.
> > >>
> > >> Malcolm
> > >>
> > >>> -----Original Message-----
> > >>> From: Dan [SMTP:dannyjoe@insightbb.com]
> > >>> Sent: Sunday, August 01, 2004 4:16 PM
> > >>> To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com; tailwind-list@matronics.com
> > >>> Subject: Tailwind-List: Baraboo-My other ride
> > >>>
> > >>> I want to thank Malcolm Lovelace also for a ride. Malcolm's award
> > > winning
> > >>> nose dragger doesn't have 180 H.P. but the tail dragger he is
> > >>> building
> > > now
> > >>> might, he didn't say-but it ain't no slouch and what's 160 H.P.
> > >>> chopped
> > >>> liver? We took off and had 207 on the gps by the length of the
> > >>> field.
> > > I
> > >>> don't remember if that is kts or mph but we were truckin right
> > >>> along. I
> > >>> noticed Malcolm fiddled with the trim 2 or 3 times and I guess he
> > > figured
> > >>> it was just the extra weight (lard) in there with him, but he
finally
> > >>> noticed he had left 5 degrees flaps in from take-off!! Needless to
> > >>> say
> > > it
> > >>> made a difference when he got the flaps off. I might add that
> > >>> Malcolm
> > > and
> > >>> Fred both fly with just the thumb and first finger. At speed all
> > >>> that
> > > is
> > >>> necessary for any stick input is a slight pressure change, the kind
> > >>> of
> > >>> pressure change that barely changes the skin color where your
fingers
> > >>> touch the stick. I gotta have a 10 now. Tailwinds are rock solid.
> > >>> People just don't know, they just don't know. Malcolm, thanks man,
> > >>> for
> > >>> the ride and for putting such a beautiful and great flying plane
into
> > > the
> > >>> world.
> > >>>
> > >>> -Danny
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > _-
> > >
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| Subject: | Re:Stamsa incident |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "mytyweav@earthlink.net" <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Dave.... So glad you are ok. Glad your daughter wasn't riding with you at
the time. Got a little slow? It was fun watching you zoom around for a few
days before the airplane got "reconfigured". How many parts are salvagable?
The wings appear to have survived? Looks like the gear did it's best to
save your spine. Any damage to you at all? The Tailwind is sure a tough
little plane isn't it. I remember when Russ H had his little impact with
the iced over lake. When the event came to a stop, he just opened the door
and got out.
Glad to hear you are whipping up another Tailwind.
Weav
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Ruhnke, Mike" <ruhnkem@rayovac.com>
Anyone have any information on 70P. Tailwind crash fatal to one.
Do Not Archive
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Jim,
Should be able to catch some sand with a big tarp under the fuselage and save some
bucks.Thanks.
Paul
Paul Holmes
pholmes@wmis.net
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| Subject: | Re:Stamsa incident |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
I have a vague recollection that the landing gear was "designed" to
collapse to absorb energy in a crash. Does anyone know if this is
true? More importantly, it definitely works that way. It is another
wonderful thing about the Tailwind. Jerry
On Wednesday, August 4, 2004, at 07:09 AM, mytyweav@earthlink.net
wrote:
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "mytyweav@earthlink.net"
> <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
>
> Dave.... So glad you are ok. Glad your daughter wasn't riding with
> you at
> the time. Got a little slow? It was fun watching you zoom around for a
> few
> days before the airplane got "reconfigured". How many parts are
> salvagable?
> The wings appear to have survived? Looks like the gear did it's best to
> save your spine. Any damage to you at all? The Tailwind is sure a tough
> little plane isn't it. I remember when Russ H had his little impact
> with
> the iced over lake. When the event came to a stop, he just opened the
> door
> and got out.
> Glad to hear you are whipping up another Tailwind.
> Weav
>
>
> _-
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> > _-
> =======================================================================
> > _-
> =======================================================================
> > _-
> =======================================================================
> >
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "mytyweav@earthlink.net" <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
I will have some stuff to say after we find out if it was Lou Hagler that
crashed it. It was a nice plane with a GOOD engine (Cont 0-300D)
Weav
Original Message:
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From: Ruhnke, Mike ruhnkem@rayovac.com
Subject: Tailwind-List: 70P
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Ruhnke, Mike" <ruhnkem@rayovac.com>
Anyone have any information on 70P. Tailwind crash fatal to one.
Do Not Archive
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That's what I did , easier to clean up the mess when finished also.
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Holmes
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: sandblast
Jim,
Should be able to catch some sand with a big tarp under the fuselage and save
some bucks.Thanks.
Paul
Paul Holmes
pholmes@wmis.net
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| Subject: | Re:Stamsa incident |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "DaveM" <dmagaw@att.net>
Jerry: I wonder how that would work with the trike configuration, with the
main gear pointing the "wrong" way. The nose gear could take part of the
impact.
Dave M
N168A
N202Q
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
>
> I have a vague recollection that the landing gear was "designed" to
> collapse to absorb energy in a crash. Does anyone know if this is
> true? More importantly, it definitely works that way. It is another
> wonderful thing about the Tailwind. Jerry
>
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| Subject: | Re:Stamsa incident |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
Dave, I'm guessing that it would not work the same way. Jerry
On Wednesday, August 4, 2004, at 08:30 AM, DaveM wrote:
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "DaveM" <dmagaw@att.net>
>
> Jerry: I wonder how that would work with the trike configuration,
> with the
> main gear pointing the "wrong" way. The nose gear could take part of
> the
> impact.
> Dave M
> N168A
> N202Q
>
>
>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey
>> <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
>>
>> I have a vague recollection that the landing gear was "designed" to
>> collapse to absorb energy in a crash. Does anyone know if this is
>> true? More importantly, it definitely works that way. It is another
>> wonderful thing about the Tailwind. Jerry
>>
>
>
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> > _-
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> > _-
> =======================================================================
> > _-
> =======================================================================
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Varnishing wing interior - Problems |
In boatbuilding we routinely varnish over West to protect it from UV damage.
Normally use Captains' Varnish from West Marine but any brand should work,
very strange.
Paul
Charlevoix, MI
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| Subject: | Re: Varnishing wing interior - Problems |
West System recommends the combined use of varnish and West epoxy to enhance the
performance of each. You might try to call the West System technical support
number at 989-684-7286 for advice. I have found them to be quite helpful. Eric
- Kalamazoo, MI
IslPilot@aol.com wrote:In boatbuilding we routinely varnish over West to protect
it from UV damage. Normally use Captains' Varnish from West Marine but any
brand should work, very strange.
Paul
Charlevoix, MI
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I recently purchased a flying W-10. It currently does not have a static port.
Where would be a good location for one?
Thanks,
Tom McGehee
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| Subject: | Re: Varnishing wing interior - Problems |
I talked to West. They recommended removing the varnish with mineral spirits and
then celaning the epoxy with water and a scotch bright pad to remove any amine.
I did look back through the West book and it mentioned that some urethanes do not
like the chemicals in the hardener and will turn sticky.
I have removed most of the sticky with mineral spirits and have rinsed and rubbed
the surface with scotch bright. For the second wing I'm just going to brush
some West on the spars, and bare wood and be done with it. For this wing, I
think I will put a thin coat of West in the sanded areas of the plywood.
-------------- Original message from Eric Schlanser : --------------
West System recommends the combined use of varnish and West epoxy to enhance the
performance of each. You might try to call the West System technical support
number at 989-684-7286 for advice. I have found them to be quite helpful. Eric
- Kalamazoo, MI
IslPilot@aol.com wrote:
In boatbuilding we routinely varnish over West to protect it from UV damage. Normally
use Captains' Varnish from West Marine but any brand should work, very
strange.
Paul
Charlevoix, MI
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I talked to West. They recommended removing the varnish with mineral spirits and
then celaning the epoxy with water and a scotch bright pad to remove any amine.
I did look back through the West book and it mentioned that some urethanes do not
like the chemicals in the hardener and will turn sticky.
I have removed most of the sticky with mineral spirits and have rinsed and rubbed
the surface with scotch bright. For the second wing I'm just going to brush
some West on the spars, and bare wood and be done with it. For this wing, I think
I will put a thin coat of West in the sanded areas of the plywood.
-------------- Original message from Eric Schlanser <ESCHLANSER@YAHOO.COM>: --------------
West System recommends the combined use of varnish and West epoxy to enhance the
performance of each. You might try to call the West System technical support
number at 989-684-7286 for advice. I have found them to be quite helpful. Eric
- Kalamazoo, MI
IslPilot@aol.com wrote:
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In boatbuilding we routinely varnish over West to protect it from UV damage. Normally
use Captains' Varnish from West Marine but any brand should work, very
strange.
Paul
Charlevoix, MI
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I had good success with my W-8 putting one on the left boot cowl just like a Cessna
150. Clement puts them on the bottom of the plane near the tail, and that
works also.
Dave
----- Original Message -----
From: Tom McGehee
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 10:07 AM
Subject: Tailwind-List: static port
I recently purchased a flying W-10. It currently does not have a static port.
Where would be a good location for one?
Thanks,
Tom McGehee
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| Subject: | oil/air separator |
Seal-Send-Time: Wed, 4 Aug 2004 18:36:14 -0700
Jim C or any one--What works good for an oil breather/separator. Mine had that
cheap one the ACS sells for 38 bucks and it didn't do anything. I Built the
one that Tony Bingelis shows on page 93 of his book on engines. Its about 80%
better. but still not enough. I even considered putting 2 of them in . Go from
to the other. Any suggestions? Gordon 9168Q
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| Subject: | Re: oil/air separator |
Gordon, I don't use one. Fasten the breather tube outlet so it dumps on a exhaust
pipe. Jim C
----- Original Message -----
From: GORDON PARKER
To: tailwind-list
Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 2004 8:36 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: oil/air separator
Jim C or any one--What works good for an oil breather/separator. Mine had that
cheap one the ACS sells for 38 bucks and it didn't do anything. I Built the
one that Tony Bingelis shows on page 93 of his book on engines. Its about 80%
better. but still not enough. I even considered putting 2 of them in . Go
from to the other. Any suggestions? Gordon 9168Q
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| Subject: | Re:Stamsa incident |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Davstamsta@aol.com
Weav,
A lot is salvagable. Right now it looks like just the airframe and engine mount
are a total loss, but I will have to check everything out.
I'm really not hurt. I wanted to do a bike race on Sunday, but my wife would not
let me. No back injury. No cuts. There is a big bruise on my ass, across my
shins, and my right hand is bruised. The landing gear and engine mount took the
hit.
David
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "mytyweav@earthlink.net" <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Dave.... So glad you are ok. Glad your daughter wasn't riding with you at
the time. Got a little slow? It was fun watching you zoom around for a few
days before the airplane got "reconfigured". How many parts are salvagable?
The wings appear to have survived? Looks like the gear did it's best to
save your spine. Any damage to you at all? The Tailwind is sure a tough
little plane isn't it. I remember when Russ H had his little impact with
the iced over lake. When the event came to a stop, he just opened the door
and got out.
Glad to hear you are whipping up another Tailwind.
Weav
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| Subject: | Re: oil/air separator |
On Wednesday, August 4, 2004, at 08:36 PM, GORDON PARKER wrote:
> Jim C or any one--What works good for an oil breather/separator.=A0 Mine
> had that cheap one the ACS sells for 38 bucks and it didn't do
> anything.=A0 I Built the one that Tony Bingelis shows on page 93 of his
> book on engines.=A0 Its about 80% better. but still not=A0enough.=A0 I even
> considered putting 2 of them in=A0. Go from to the other.=A0Any
> suggestions?=A0 Gordon=A0 9168Q=A0
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