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1. 03:52 AM - Re: Re: [TailwindForum] Michigan fall gathering (Malcolm.Lovelace@coopertools.com)
2. 04:33 AM - Re: Buttercup Sport Pilot ready? (Fred Weaver)
3. 05:02 AM - Re: Buttercup Sport Pilot ready? (Jerry Hey)
4. 05:20 AM - Re: Rotax Clarification (Fred Weaver)
5. 05:58 AM - Re: Re: [TailwindForum] Michigan fall gathering (Stephen Doughty)
6. 06:50 AM - Re: Re: Rotax Clarification (Mike Mears)
7. 08:54 AM - Re: Re: Rotax Clarification (Fred Weaver)
8. 09:15 AM - Re: Re: Rotax Clarification (Dan)
9. 09:54 AM - Re: Buttercup Sport Pilot ready? (Jim Wickert)
10. 10:42 AM - Re: Re: Rotax Clarification (Luc H.)
11. 04:09 PM - Re: Buttercup Sport Pilot ready? (Earl Luce)
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| Subject: | Re: [TailwindForum] Michigan fall gathering |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Malcolm.Lovelace@CooperTools.com
I will be there if Richard and Farmer John are cooking breakfast.
Malcolm
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Eric Schlanser [SMTP:eschlanser@yahoo.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 10:07 PM
> To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
> Cc: Tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Michigan fall gathering
>
> John, OK, we will plan this since we have some interest and can get at
> least two Tailwinds here. Brian is one. Wally is two. Do I hear another?
> Malcolm? Jerry? Dennis? Can we Badger someone into coming around the lake?
> All Tailwinders, with or without Tailwinds are welcome.
> Wally said he might want to camp overnight what with crossing the
> border from Ontario. One site Wally suggested is Coldwater, MI (OEB). It
> has cheap fuel and a restaurant. Coldwater is about 1 hour south by car
> from us.
> Two site possibilites nearby are Kalamazoo, MI (AZO) and Plainwell, MI
> (61D). We are 15-20 minutes by car to 61D or AZO.
> Plainwell is uncontrolled. It has fuel, a pilots shed with flush potty
> for campers, and two restaurants, one at the field, one within 5 minutes
> walking. There is at least one motel in Plainwell but not within walking
> distance. Richard said he will check with the city on our use of the
> facilities at Plainwell, MI.
> There is no camping at the Class C AZO airport, but there is a motel
> adjacent as are several restaurants, the new AirZoo, and my T hangar. We
> can check with Duncan Aviation on the use of their FBO facilities at AZO.
> Thinking about late Sep or early Oct. Oct 9 as a possibility.
>
> Eric and Richard- in Kalamazoo, MI
>
>
> john <frmrjohn@netonecom.net> wrote:
>
> Eric and Richard; Could we maybe get together at Kalamazoo for a
> Tailwind
> fly-in for late Sept or early Oct. Wally thinks it would be a good
> idea. I
> could have it here, but you are in a more central location to Ohio
> Wisconsin
> and Indiana. Just throwing it out for discussion. JohnD Don't
> Archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Buttercup Sport Pilot ready? |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Easy Earl....Easy... The Rotax is a fine little engine and the cost is
not out of line with other engines. A complete new engine is about 12K and
that comes with everything except the radiator. They do run very good and
some people are getting over 3000 hours. Also, it's a very smooth running
engine (at 2000 engine rpm or better).. Mine cruises at 5000 rpm(prop is
geared down 2.43:1) and burns 4.4 gph. The engine does have it's place but
not on a Buttercup.
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "Earl Luce" <luceair@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Buttercup Sport Pilot ready?
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Earl Luce" <luceair@frontiernet.net>
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> The rotax engine (912?) is way too light. You would have to push the
engine
> mount out so far, that it would ruin the looks of the aircraft. Plus, it
> would change the center of balance and possibly cause a yawing problem.
The
> other problem is that they are too expensive. Whittman would be spinning
in
> his grave if he had to pay for one. You could buy a used O-200 for half
the
> price that would last twice as long.
>
> Earl Luce
>
>
> ---
> Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 8/19/2004
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Buttercup Sport Pilot ready? |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
Hi Weave, I won't argue because I don't know but the Rotex's I have
been around, flown by friends, have not lasted 200 hours, ever. I
forget most of the model numbers but one was the 582 water cooled
and it was definitely seizure prone. One went down right off the
end of my dirt runway. I took the pilot to the hospital. Denis
Porter, who built the automated saddle cutting plasma used by Rans was
partially paid with a new Arialle (SP?) that crashed several times
from engine failure. He finally bent it up enough that he cut it up
with a sawzall. I was there for the party. Jerry
On Thursday, August 26, 2004, at 06:32 AM, Fred Weaver wrote:
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver"
> <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
>
> Easy Earl....Easy... The Rotax is a fine little engine and the cost
> is
> not out of line with other engines. A complete new engine is about 12K
> and
> that comes with everything except the radiator. They do run very good
> and
> some people are getting over 3000 hours. Also, it's a very smooth
> running
> engine (at 2000 engine rpm or better).. Mine cruises at 5000
> rpm(prop is
> geared down 2.43:1) and burns 4.4 gph. The engine does have it's place
> but
> not on a Buttercup.
> Weav
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Earl Luce" <luceair@frontiernet.net>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 3:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Buttercup Sport Pilot ready?
>
>
>> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Earl Luce"
>> <luceair@frontiernet.net>
>>
>> Hi Mike,
>>
>> The rotax engine (912?) is way too light. You would have to push the
> engine
>> mount out so far, that it would ruin the looks of the aircraft.
>> Plus, it
>> would change the center of balance and possibly cause a yawing
>> problem.
> The
>> other problem is that they are too expensive. Whittman would be
>> spinning
> in
>> his grave if he had to pay for one. You could buy a used O-200 for
>> half
> the
>> price that would last twice as long.
>>
>> Earl Luce
>>
>>
>>
>> ---
>> Version: 6.0.742 / Virus Database: 495 - Release Date: 8/19/2004
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Clarification |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Jerry... I guess I forgot to specifically mention that the discussion was
about the 912 ULS Engine. 100 hp, FOUR STROKE, four cylinder, Air Cooled,
Water Cooled and Oil Cooled. My comments were not intended to include
anything about the TWO CYCLE engines or their NTSB history.
Again, I'd like to state that I too have many friends that fly with Rotax
FOUR STROKE, 912 ULS engines and have a fantastic service history. The
airplane I bought with a Rotax on the front already had 509 hours and ran
great. I expect it will run great for years. I sincerely hope your rotary
will perform as safely AND as long.....
Weav
PS..As I mentioned before.....some users are getting over 3000 hours.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Hey" <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Buttercup Sport Pilot ready?
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
>
> Hi Weave, I won't argue because I don't know but the Rotex's I have
> been around, flown by friends, have not lasted 200 hours, ever. I
> forget most of the model numbers but one was the 582 water cooled
> and it was definitely seizure prone. One went down right off the
> end of my dirt runway. I took the pilot to the hospital. Denis
> Porter, who built the automated saddle cutting plasma used by Rans was
> partially paid with a new Arialle (SP?) that crashed several times
> from engine failure. He finally bent it up enough that he cut it up
> with a sawzall. I was there for the party. Jerry
>
>
> On Thursday, August 26, 2004, at 06:32 AM, Fred Weaver wrote:
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver"
> > <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Easy Earl....Easy... The Rotax is a fine little engine and the cost
> > is
> > not out of line with other engines. A complete new engine is about 12K
> > and
> > that comes with everything except the radiator. They do run very good
> > and
> > some people are getting over 3000 hours. Also, it's a very smooth
> > running
> > engine (at 2000 engine rpm or better).. Mine cruises at 5000
> > rpm(prop is
> > geared down 2.43:1) and burns 4.4 gph. The engine does have it's place
> > but
> > not on a Buttercup.
> > Weav
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Earl Luce" <luceair@frontiernet.net>
> > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 3:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Buttercup Sport Pilot ready?
> >
> >
> >> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Earl Luce"
> >> <luceair@frontiernet.net>
> >>
> >> Hi Mike,
> >>
> >> The rotax engine (912?) is way too light. You would have to push the
> > engine
> >> mount out so far, that it would ruin the looks of the aircraft.
> >> Plus, it
> >> would change the center of balance and possibly cause a yawing
> >> problem.
> > The
> >> other problem is that they are too expensive. Whittman would be
> >> spinning
> > in
> >> his grave if he had to pay for one. You could buy a used O-200 for
> >> half
> > the
> >> price that would last twice as long.
> >>
> >> Earl Luce
>
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| Subject: | Re: [TailwindForum] Michigan fall gathering |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Stephen Doughty" <usaviator1@hotmail.com>
Eric and John, we will be there, either driving or flying, wx permitting.
We just got a Cherokee 180 to get us flying until the Tailwind is done.
Steve & Lori -in Michigan
>From: Eric Schlanser <eschlanser@yahoo.com>
>Reply-To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
>To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com
>CC: Tailwind-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: [TailwindForum] Michigan fall gathering
>Date: Wed, 25 Aug 2004 19:06:59 -0700 (PDT)
>
>John, OK, we will plan this since we have some interest and can get at
>least two Tailwinds here. Brian is one. Wally is two. Do I hear another?
>Malcolm? Jerry? Dennis? Can we Badger someone into coming around the lake?
>All Tailwinders, with or without Tailwinds are welcome.
> Wally said he might want to camp overnight what with crossing the
>border from Ontario. One site Wally suggested is Coldwater, MI (OEB). It
>has cheap fuel and a restaurant. Coldwater is about 1 hour south by car
>from us.
> Two site possibilites nearby are Kalamazoo, MI (AZO) and Plainwell, MI
>(61D). We are 15-20 minutes by car to 61D or AZO.
> Plainwell is uncontrolled. It has fuel, a pilots shed with flush potty
>for campers, and two restaurants, one at the field, one within 5 minutes
>walking. There is at least one motel in Plainwell but not within walking
>distance. Richard said he will check with the city on our use of the
>facilities at Plainwell, MI.
> There is no camping at the Class C AZO airport, but there is a motel
>adjacent as are several restaurants, the new AirZoo, and my T hangar. We
>can check with Duncan Aviation on the use of their FBO facilities at AZO.
> Thinking about late Sep or early Oct. Oct 9 as a possibility.
>
>Eric and Richard- in Kalamazoo, MI
>
>
>john <frmrjohn@netonecom.net> wrote:
>Eric and Richard; Could we maybe get together at Kalamazoo for a Tailwind
>fly-in for late Sept or early Oct. Wally thinks it would be a good idea.
>I
>could have it here, but you are in a more central location to Ohio
>Wisconsin
>and Indiana. Just throwing it out for discussion. JohnD Don't Archive
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Clarification |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Mike Mears" <mike.mears@bbc.co.uk>
Weav,
How much lighter is the 912S the the O-200 both equiped ready to
fly?
Cheap aircraft engines are hard to come by in Europe. There are that
many fewer to star with (unless you want a Gypsy Major). If a new 912s
costs $12k-ish, how much wouild a new 0-200 cost? Probably more. A new
0-360 is about $32,000 from Vans. And that an OEM Price. You have to
compare like with like. I've tried to find the cost of a new 0-200 and
failed. I think the 0-240 is the smallest they do now. Probably because
of the smaller, lighter and possibly cheaper competition in the
up-to-100hp market.
Mike Mears.
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred
Weaver
Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Rotax Clarification
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver"
--> <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Jerry... I guess I forgot to specifically mention that the discussion
was
about the 912 ULS Engine. 100 hp, FOUR STROKE, four cylinder, Air
Cooled, Water Cooled and Oil Cooled. My comments were not intended to
include anything about the TWO CYCLE engines or their NTSB history.
Again, I'd like to state that I too have many friends that fly with
Rotax FOUR STROKE, 912 ULS engines and have a fantastic service history.
The airplane I bought with a Rotax on the front already had 509 hours
and ran great. I expect it will run great for years. I sincerely hope
your rotary will perform as safely AND as long..... Weav PS..As I
mentioned before.....some users are getting over 3000 hours.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Hey" <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Buttercup Sport Pilot ready?
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey
> --> <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
>
> Hi Weave, I won't argue because I don't know but the Rotex's I have
> been around, flown by friends, have not lasted 200 hours, ever. I
> forget most of the model numbers but one was the 582 water cooled
> and it was definitely seizure prone. One went down right off the
> end of my dirt runway. I took the pilot to the hospital. Denis
> Porter, who built the automated saddle cutting plasma used by Rans was
> partially paid with a new Arialle (SP?) that crashed several times
> from engine failure. He finally bent it up enough that he cut it up
> with a sawzall. I was there for the party. Jerry
>
>
> On Thursday, August 26, 2004, at 06:32 AM, Fred Weaver wrote:
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver"
> > <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
> >
> > Easy Earl....Easy... The Rotax is a fine little engine and the
cost
> > is
> > not out of line with other engines. A complete new engine is about
> > 12K and that comes with everything except the radiator. They do run
> > very good and
> > some people are getting over 3000 hours. Also, it's a very smooth
> > running
> > engine (at 2000 engine rpm or better).. Mine cruises at 5000
> > rpm(prop is
> > geared down 2.43:1) and burns 4.4 gph. The engine does have it's
place
> > but
> > not on a Buttercup.
> > Weav
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Earl Luce" <luceair@frontiernet.net>
> > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 3:37 PM
> > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Buttercup Sport Pilot ready?
> >
> >
> >> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Earl Luce"
> >> <luceair@frontiernet.net>
> >>
> >> Hi Mike,
> >>
> >> The rotax engine (912?) is way too light. You would have to push
> >> the
> > engine
> >> mount out so far, that it would ruin the looks of the aircraft.
> >> Plus, it would change the center of balance and possibly cause a
> >> yawing problem.
> > The
> >> other problem is that they are too expensive. Whittman would be
> >> spinning
> > in
> >> his grave if he had to pay for one. You could buy a used O-200 for
> >> half
> > the
> >> price that would last twice as long.
> >>
> >> Earl Luce
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Clarification |
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Mike.... I have no idea how much a Cont 0-200 weighs. And they stopped
making them several years ago. I have no idea what one costs today either
because there are so many variables. The nice thing about the Rotax 912 ULS
is.....they are reasonable in cost and are almost bulletproof. They are
light also.
Good Luck with your search....
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Mears" <mike.mears@bbc.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Re: Rotax Clarification
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Mike Mears" <mike.mears@bbc.co.uk>
>
> Weav,
> How much lighter is the 912S the the O-200 both equiped ready to
> fly?
> Cheap aircraft engines are hard to come by in Europe. There are that
> many fewer to star with (unless you want a Gypsy Major). If a new 912s
> costs $12k-ish, how much wouild a new 0-200 cost? Probably more. A new
> 0-360 is about $32,000 from Vans. And that an OEM Price. You have to
> compare like with like. I've tried to find the cost of a new 0-200 and
> failed. I think the 0-240 is the smallest they do now. Probably because
> of the smaller, lighter and possibly cheaper competition in the
> up-to-100hp market.
> Mike Mears.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred
> Weaver
> Sent: 26 August 2004 13:20
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Rotax Clarification
>
>
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver"
> --> <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
>
> Jerry... I guess I forgot to specifically mention that the discussion
> was
> about the 912 ULS Engine. 100 hp, FOUR STROKE, four cylinder, Air
> Cooled, Water Cooled and Oil Cooled. My comments were not intended to
> include anything about the TWO CYCLE engines or their NTSB history.
> Again, I'd like to state that I too have many friends that fly with
> Rotax FOUR STROKE, 912 ULS engines and have a fantastic service history.
> The airplane I bought with a Rotax on the front already had 509 hours
> and ran great. I expect it will run great for years. I sincerely hope
> your rotary will perform as safely AND as long..... Weav PS..As I
> mentioned before.....some users are getting over 3000 hours.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Hey" <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 5:04 AM
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Buttercup Sport Pilot ready?
>
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey
> > --> <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
> >
> > Hi Weave, I won't argue because I don't know but the Rotex's I have
> > been around, flown by friends, have not lasted 200 hours, ever. I
> > forget most of the model numbers but one was the 582 water cooled
> > and it was definitely seizure prone. One went down right off the
> > end of my dirt runway. I took the pilot to the hospital. Denis
> > Porter, who built the automated saddle cutting plasma used by Rans was
>
> > partially paid with a new Arialle (SP?) that crashed several times
> > from engine failure. He finally bent it up enough that he cut it up
> > with a sawzall. I was there for the party. Jerry
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, August 26, 2004, at 06:32 AM, Fred Weaver wrote:
> >
> > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver"
> > > <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
> > >
> > > Easy Earl....Easy... The Rotax is a fine little engine and the
> cost
> > > is
> > > not out of line with other engines. A complete new engine is about
> > > 12K and that comes with everything except the radiator. They do run
> > > very good and
> > > some people are getting over 3000 hours. Also, it's a very smooth
> > > running
> > > engine (at 2000 engine rpm or better).. Mine cruises at 5000
> > > rpm(prop is
> > > geared down 2.43:1) and burns 4.4 gph. The engine does have it's
> place
> > > but
> > > not on a Buttercup.
> > > Weav
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Earl Luce" <luceair@frontiernet.net>
> > > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 3:37 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Buttercup Sport Pilot ready?
> > >
> > >
> > >> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Earl Luce"
> > >> <luceair@frontiernet.net>
> > >>
> > >> Hi Mike,
> > >>
> > >> The rotax engine (912?) is way too light. You would have to push
> > >> the
> > > engine
> > >> mount out so far, that it would ruin the looks of the aircraft.
> > >> Plus, it would change the center of balance and possibly cause a
> > >> yawing problem.
> > > The
> > >> other problem is that they are too expensive. Whittman would be
> > >> spinning
> > > in
> > >> his grave if he had to pay for one. You could buy a used O-200 for
>
> > >> half
> > > the
> > >> price that would last twice as long.
> > >>
> > >> Earl Luce
> >
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Rotax Clarification |
Here are the o200 weights.
http://www.weebeastie.com/hatzcb1/motorO200.html
-Danny
On 8/26/2004 10:50:50 AM, tailwind-list@matronics.com wrote:
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.
> net>
>
> Mike.... I have no idea how much a Cont 0-200 weighs. And they
> stopped
> making them several years ago. I have no idea what one costs today
> either
> because there are so many variables. The nice thing about the Rotax 912
> ULS
> is.....they are reasonable in cost and are almost bulletproof. They
> are
> light also.
> Good Luck with your search....
> Weav
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mike Mears" <mike.mears@bbc.co.uk>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 6:50 AM
> Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Re: Rotax Clarification
>
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Mike Mears" <mike.mears@bbc.co.
> uk>
> >
> > Weav,
> > How much lighter is the 912S the the O-200 both equiped ready to
> > fly?
> > Cheap aircraft engines are hard to come by in Europe. There are that
> > many fewer to star with (unless you want a Gypsy Major). If a new 912s
> > costs $12k-ish, how much wouild a new 0-200 cost? Probably more. A new
> > 0-360 is about $32,000 from Vans. And that an OEM Price. You have to
> > compare like with like.
> I've tried
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jim Wickert <jimw_btg@earthlink.net>
First of all the Rotaxs are not running fine, there are several problems, look
at the AD Notice of changes and recalls, they have several problems. Second they
are yes expensive. If you buy a 0200 for $5 to $6K you will have another
$3K to get into the air Vioce of Experience. But for $3000 to $4500 you can have
a Corvair 110 HP or 130HP with all new cams psitons, cylinders, oil pump,
fuel pump etc. Yes New and an engine with a weight of 215 lbs not less radiator
or what ever. This would be an excellent engine for the Buttercup. Both from
cost and weight and balance condiseration and will deliver the correct stall
as well.
-----Original Message-----
From: Fred Weaver <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Buttercup Sport Pilot ready?
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Easy Earl....Easy... The Rotax is a fine little engine and the cost is
not out of line with other engines. A complete new engine is about 12K and
that comes with everything except the radiator. They do run very good and
some people are getting over 3000 hours. Also, it's a very smooth running
engine (at 2000 engine rpm or better).. Mine cruises at 5000 rpm(prop is
geared down 2.43:1) and burns 4.4 gph. The engine does have it's place but
not on a Buttercup.
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "Earl Luce" <luceair@frontiernet.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Buttercup Sport Pilot ready?
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Earl Luce" <luceair@frontiernet.net>
>
> Hi Mike,
>
> The rotax engine (912?) is way too light. You would have to push the
engine
> mount out so far, that it would ruin the looks of the aircraft. Plus, it
> would change the center of balance and possibly cause a yawing problem.
The
> other problem is that they are too expensive. Whittman would be spinning
in
> his grave if he had to pay for one. You could buy a used O-200 for half
the
> price that would last twice as long.
>
> Earl Luce
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Luc H." <4luc@sbcglobal.net>
125 HP TMX IO-240 Fuel Injected ALL NEW PART ENGINE completely assembled and
tested is available for $17,620.00 for fixed pitch applications.
http://www.mattituck.com/tmx%20program.htm Teledyne Mattituck's
Experimental Engine Program and price list.
http://www.aselia.com/jshays/engine.htm This site has some IO-240
info/opinion and a link to a continental IO-240 spec sheet.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Re: Rotax Clarification
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Mike.... I have no idea how much a Cont 0-200 weighs. And they stopped
making them several years ago. I have no idea what one costs today either
because there are so many variables. The nice thing about the Rotax 912 ULS
is.....they are reasonable in cost and are almost bulletproof. They are
light also.
Good Luck with your search....
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: "Mike Mears" <mike.mears@bbc.co.uk>
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: Re: Rotax Clarification
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Mike Mears" <mike.mears@bbc.co.uk>
>
> Weav,
> How much lighter is the 912S the the O-200 both equiped ready to
> fly?
> Cheap aircraft engines are hard to come by in Europe. There are that
> many fewer to star with (unless you want a Gypsy Major). If a new 912s
> costs $12k-ish, how much wouild a new 0-200 cost? Probably more. A new
> 0-360 is about $32,000 from Vans. And that an OEM Price. You have to
> compare like with like. I've tried to find the cost of a new 0-200 and
> failed. I think the 0-240 is the smallest they do now. Probably because
> of the smaller, lighter and possibly cheaper competition in the
> up-to-100hp market.
> Mike Mears.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Fred
> Weaver
> Sent: 26 August 2004 13:20
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Tailwind-List: Re: Rotax Clarification
>
>
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver"
> --> <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
>
> Jerry... I guess I forgot to specifically mention that the discussion
> was
> about the 912 ULS Engine. 100 hp, FOUR STROKE, four cylinder, Air
> Cooled, Water Cooled and Oil Cooled. My comments were not intended to
> include anything about the TWO CYCLE engines or their NTSB history.
> Again, I'd like to state that I too have many friends that fly with
> Rotax FOUR STROKE, 912 ULS engines and have a fantastic service history.
> The airplane I bought with a Rotax on the front already had 509 hours
> and ran great. I expect it will run great for years. I sincerely hope
> your rotary will perform as safely AND as long..... Weav PS..As I
> mentioned before.....some users are getting over 3000 hours.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jerry Hey" <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 26, 2004 5:04 AM
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Buttercup Sport Pilot ready?
>
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey
> > --> <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
> >
> > Hi Weave, I won't argue because I don't know but the Rotex's I have
> > been around, flown by friends, have not lasted 200 hours, ever. I
> > forget most of the model numbers but one was the 582 water cooled
> > and it was definitely seizure prone. One went down right off the
> > end of my dirt runway. I took the pilot to the hospital. Denis
> > Porter, who built the automated saddle cutting plasma used by Rans was
>
> > partially paid with a new Arialle (SP?) that crashed several times
> > from engine failure. He finally bent it up enough that he cut it up
> > with a sawzall. I was there for the party. Jerry
> >
> >
> > On Thursday, August 26, 2004, at 06:32 AM, Fred Weaver wrote:
> >
> > > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver"
> > > <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
> > >
> > > Easy Earl....Easy... The Rotax is a fine little engine and the
> cost
> > > is
> > > not out of line with other engines. A complete new engine is about
> > > 12K and that comes with everything except the radiator. They do run
> > > very good and
> > > some people are getting over 3000 hours. Also, it's a very smooth
> > > running
> > > engine (at 2000 engine rpm or better).. Mine cruises at 5000
> > > rpm(prop is
> > > geared down 2.43:1) and burns 4.4 gph. The engine does have it's
> place
> > > but
> > > not on a Buttercup.
> > > Weav
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Earl Luce" <luceair@frontiernet.net>
> > > To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 3:37 PM
> > > Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Buttercup Sport Pilot ready?
> > >
> > >
> > >> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Earl Luce"
> > >> <luceair@frontiernet.net>
> > >>
> > >> Hi Mike,
> > >>
> > >> The rotax engine (912?) is way too light. You would have to push
> > >> the
> > > engine
> > >> mount out so far, that it would ruin the looks of the aircraft.
> > >> Plus, it would change the center of balance and possibly cause a
> > >> yawing problem.
> > > The
> > >> other problem is that they are too expensive. Whittman would be
> > >> spinning
> > > in
> > >> his grave if he had to pay for one. You could buy a used O-200 for
>
> > >> half
> > > the
> > >> price that would last twice as long.
> > >>
> > >> Earl Luce
> >
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Earl Luce" <luceair@frontiernet.net>
Thanks Weav, sometimes I get carried away !
Earl
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Buttercup Sport Pilot ready?
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver"
<Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
>
> Easy Earl....Easy... The Rotax is a fine little engine and the cost is
> not out of line with other engines. A complete new engine is about 12K and
> that comes with everything except the radiator. They do run very good and
> some people are getting over 3000 hours. Also, it's a very smooth running
> engine (at 2000 engine rpm or better).. Mine cruises at 5000 rpm(prop is
> geared down 2.43:1) and burns 4.4 gph. The engine does have it's place but
> not on a Buttercup.
> Weav
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Earl Luce" <luceair@frontiernet.net>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 25, 2004 3:37 PM
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: Buttercup Sport Pilot ready?
>
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Earl Luce"
<luceair@frontiernet.net>
> >
> > Hi Mike,
> >
> > The rotax engine (912?) is way too light. You would have to push the
> engine
> > mount out so far, that it would ruin the looks of the aircraft. Plus,
it
> > would change the center of balance and possibly cause a yawing problem.
> The
> > other problem is that they are too expensive. Whittman would be
spinning
> in
> > his grave if he had to pay for one. You could buy a used O-200 for half
> the
> > price that would last twice as long.
> >
> > Earl Luce
> >
> >
> >
> > ---
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