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1. 12:19 AM - Official Usage Guideline [Please Read] [Monthly Posting] (Matt Dralle)
2. 03:06 AM - Re: W8 today (Lovelace)
3. 04:50 AM - Re: W8 today (William Bernard)
4. 05:55 AM - Re: W8 today (dmagaw@att.net)
5. 06:27 AM - Re: W8 today (Estelle Danner)
6. 06:34 AM - Re: W8 today (Rick)
7. 08:51 AM - Re: W8 today (Dan)
8. 08:51 AM - Re: W8 today (Fred Weaver)
9. 09:22 AM - Re: W8 today (Dan)
10. 09:33 AM - Re: tail wheel (Fred Weaver)
11. 12:50 PM - Fw: ride (Jerry Hey)
12. 03:30 PM - Re: tail wheel (Lovelace)
13. 04:02 PM - Re: tail wheel (DaveM)
14. 04:55 PM - Danny's W-8 (Rick)
15. 06:32 PM - FW: [TailwindForum] Danny's W-8 (Dan)
16. 07:34 PM - Re: FW: [TailwindForum] Danny's W-8 (Richard)
17. 08:02 PM - Re: W8 today (Mcculleyja@aol.com)
18. 08:12 PM - Re: FW: [TailwindForum] Danny's W-8 (Dan)
19. 08:16 PM - Re: W8 today (Dan)
20. 08:24 PM - Re: W8 today (Mcculleyja@aol.com)
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Looking good. Go for it Dan!
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan
To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com ; tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 10:50 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: W8 today
Worked on zaro, wun, ate today. Cep for letting air out to make the pressure
right on the mains, I guess she's ready. First of next week I get some tail
wheel time in the Citabria, then it's Katie bar the door. I put the stick
back per plans and you can see Dan's patent applied for parking brake. Yep she's
running. purring. That scoop is going to slow it down some, which is fine
just so it don't cave the top of the cowling in too much.
-Danny
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard" <billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
Danny, what is the flush inlet on the top of the cowl for?
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan" <dannyjoe@insightbb.com>
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: W8 today
Fred if you see this coming duck! Don't get hit by the B.S.B. (bullshit
blower)
Fact is the previous owner was having trouble with overheating. So the
plane was in another town and I couldn't see the cowl with the plane so I
just made sure it was going to cool. The snoot could stand to be cut back a
little too don't you think? There is a long to-do list on it. One thing at
a time. Baby steps, baby steps.
-Danny
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
mytyweav@earthlink.net
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: W8 today
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "mytyweav@earthlink.net"
<mytyweav@earthlink.net>
What's with that big ole turd kinda scoop on the bottom?
:)
Original Message:
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From: Dan dannyjoe@insightbb.com
Subject: Tailwind-List: W8 today
Worked on zaro, wun, ate today. Cep for letting air out to make the
pressure right on the mains, I guess she's ready. First of next week I get
some tail wheel time in the Citabria, then it's Katie bar the door. I put
the stick back per plans and you can see Dan's patent applied for parking
brake. Yep she's running. purring. That scoop is going to slow it down
some, which is fine just so it don't cave the top of the cowling in too
much.
-Danny
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A classic W-8 for sure. What engine is in it? What do you do about radios, intercoms,
GPS and transponders and all that fancy stuff one seems to have to have
to fly anymore? ;
)
Dave
-------------- Original message from "Dan" : --------------
Worked on zaro, wun, ate today. Cep for letting air out to make the pressure right
on the mains, I guess shes ready. First of next week I get some tail wheel
time in the Citabria, then its Katie bar the door. I put the stick back per
plans and you can see Dans patent applied for parking brake. Yep shes running
purring. That scoop is going to slow it down some, which is fine just so
it dont cave the top of the cowling in too much.
-Danny
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A classic W-8 for sure. What engine is in it? What do you do about radios, intercoms,
GPSand transponders and all that fancy stuff one seems to have to have
to fly anymore? ;
)
Dave
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Worked on zaro, wun, ate today. Cep for letting air out to make the pressure right
on the mains, I guess shes ready. First of next week I get some tail wheel
time in the Citabria, then its Katie bar the door. I put the stick back per plans
and you can see Dans patent applied for parking brake. Yep shes running purring.
That scoop is going to slow it down some, which is fine just so it dont
cave the top of the cowling in too much.
-Danny
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looks good! Dan Bob Danner
----- Original Message -----
From: dmagaw@att.net
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 7:55 AM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W8 today
A classic W-8 for sure. What engine is in it? What do you do about radios,
intercoms, GPS and transponders and all that fancy stuff one seems to have to
have to fly anymore? ;
)
Dave
-------------- Original message from "Dan" : --------------
Worked on zaro, wun, ate today. Cep for letting air out to make the pressure
right on the mains, I guess she's ready. First of next week I get some tail
wheel time in the Citabria, then it's Katie bar the door. I put the stick
back per plans and you can see Dan's patent applied for parking brake. Yep she's
running. purring. That scoop is going to slow it down some, which is fine
just so it don't cave the top of the cowling in too much.
-Danny
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Rick" <rcaviate@infionline.net>
HA HA HA HA, I hold my sides, maybe I'd better not laugh, I'm the guy that's
gonna fly it today, should I warn onlookers to wear full rain gear?
Rick
N241SW
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan" <dannyjoe@insightbb.com>
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: W8 today
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Dan" <dannyjoe@insightbb.com>
>
> Fred,
> That's not a turd scoop, that's a turd blower. I built it big so it will
> move lot of air. When I fly over Baraboo next year, I figure you will
> already be there. So that means the Bull Shit will be really deep; I can
> fly over and blow enough out of the way to land.
> ;)
> -Danny
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
> mytyweav@earthlink.net
> Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:29 AM
> To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: W8 today
>
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "mytyweav@earthlink.net"
> <mytyweav@earthlink.net>
>
> What's with that big ole turd kinda scoop on the bottom?
> :)
>
> Original Message:
> -----------------
> From: Dan dannyjoe@insightbb.com
> Date: Wed, 1 Sep 2004 21:50:53 -0500
> To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com, tailwind-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Tailwind-List: W8 today
>
>
> Worked on zaro, wun, ate today. Cep for letting air out to make the
> pressure right on the mains, I guess she's ready. First of next week I
get
> some tail wheel time in the Citabria, then it's Katie bar the door. I
put
> the stick back per plans and you can see Dan's patent applied for parking
> brake. Yep she's running. purring. That scoop is going to slow it down
> some, which is fine just so it don't cave the top of the cowling in too
> much.
>
> -Danny
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Dan" <dannyjoe@insightbb.com>
Bill,
That is a naca type inlet for the oil cooler. The big scoop is pulling on
the other end of that too.
-Danny
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of William
Bernard
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W8 today
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "William Bernard"
<billbernard@worldnet.att.net>
Danny, what is the flush inlet on the top of the cowl for?
Bill
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dan" <dannyjoe@insightbb.com>
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: W8 today
Fred if you see this coming duck! Don't get hit by the B.S.B. (bullshit
blower)
Fact is the previous owner was having trouble with overheating. So the
plane was in another town and I couldn't see the cowl with the plane so I
just made sure it was going to cool. The snoot could stand to be cut back a
little too don't you think? There is a long to-do list on it. One thing at
a time. Baby steps, baby steps.
-Danny
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
mytyweav@earthlink.net
Subject: RE: Tailwind-List: W8 today
--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "mytyweav@earthlink.net"
<mytyweav@earthlink.net>
What's with that big ole turd kinda scoop on the bottom?
:)
Original Message:
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From: Dan dannyjoe@insightbb.com
Subject: Tailwind-List: W8 today
Worked on zaro, wun, ate today. Cep for letting air out to make the
pressure right on the mains, I guess she's ready. First of next week I get
some tail wheel time in the Citabria, then it's Katie bar the door. I put
the stick back per plans and you can see Dan's patent applied for parking
brake. Yep she's running. purring. That scoop is going to slow it down
some, which is fine just so it don't cave the top of the cowling in too
much.
-Danny
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Yep, it sure has that "Passow" appearance..... I'm glad Rick is checking it out
and making sure it's ready for you. You will enjoy it very much. Seems to me,
that airplane has an 0-200 for power? Talk about a BSB..... :)
Yer gonna luv it.....
Have a good time,
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan
To: TailwindForum@yahoogroups.com ; tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 7:50 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: W8 today
Worked on zaro, wun, ate today. Cep for letting air out to make the pressure
right on the mains, I guess she's ready. First of next week I get some tail
wheel time in the Citabria, then it's Katie bar the door. I put the stick back
per plans and you can see Dan's patent applied for parking brake. Yep she's
running. purring. That scoop is going to slow it down some, which is fine just
so it don't cave the top of the cowling in too much.
-Danny
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Dave,
It has O-200 power with Armstrong starter, no electrics, both mags have
impulse and it starts very easy with throttle all the way back once the
cylinders smell a little fuel. It does have a 9 volt battery for the fuel
gauge. You push in the button and hold, the needle swings over to read
battery condition then falls back to fuel level; idea being if the battery
reads low, so will the fuel. I have two intercoms to choose from, neither
of which is installed (passengers not a priority for now). The GPS and the
radio are hand held jobs; radio has VOR on it which will probably work if
you have the station in sight. GPS came new from Ebay, hunnert bux! The
interesting thing about the little Magellan 315 is it has been adopted by a
hobbyist that won't let it die much like the commodore 64. This guy has
taken the free data CD's published by the Gov. and produces free aviation
databases for download. The advice you gave me about a lightweight starter
and battery was not wasted, merely down a ways on the to-do list.
-Danny
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-tailwind-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of
dmagaw@att.net
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: W8 today
A classic W-8 for sure. What engine is in it? What do you do about radios,
intercoms, GPS and transponders and all that fancy stuff one seems to have
to have to fly anymore? ;
)
Dave
-------------- Original message from "Dan" : --------------
Worked on zaro, wun, ate today. Cep for letting air out to make the
pressure right on the mains, I guess she's ready. First of next week I get
some tail wheel time in the Citabria, then it's Katie bar the door. I put
the stick back per plans and you can see Dan's patent applied for parking
brake. Yep she's running. purring. That scoop is going to slow it down
some, which is fine just so it don't cave the top of the cowling in too
much.
-Danny
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
Jim.... How is it that you think you are getting 27 to 30 miles per gallon?
I just figured out some of my best numbers and at 208 mph cruise speed,
burning 7.6 gallons per hour, I'm only getting 26... And those are real
miles. That is a clean W10 that weighs a lot less, uses a Lycoming 0-360
with fixed pitch flying at 16000 feet running lean as can be.... Now...
With a favorable tailwind component, I've seen much bigger numbers but they
don't count for this discussion.
Malcolm, you have a clean trike running a Lyc 0-320.... What have you seen
as your best "real" mpg figure?
Dave Magaw, same parameters, same question? I would love to see Magaw's
numbers as he has flown the airplane over several thousand miles and at
altitudes that would provide good numbers.
Our aspect ratio's and efficiency just have to deliver better results....
Jim, are you turning that engine down around 2200 rpm at altitudes of????
And when you are, what is the "true airspeed" that provides you with 27-30
mpg?
All that without wheelpants and the flatbottomed W8 Wing? I'm stumped....
Weav
----- Original Message -----
From: <Mcculleyja@aol.com>
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: tail wheel
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Mcculleyja@aol.com
Jim said....
Snip, Snip, Snip........
>
> Without wheel pants yet, I have seen GPS confirmed true airspeed of 205
mph,
> level flight, full power, and 2,500 fpm max ROC, with an average ROC to
10,000
> feet of 2,000 fpm (5 minutes from start of takeoff). My main interest,
> however, is in long range economy cruise. It is consistently capable of
27 to 30
> mile per gallon results. With a total fuel quantity of 45 gallons, the
non stop
> range is 1100 plus miles, with required reserves. Have already done that
but
> would like to test the range and cockpit stamina with a West to East
flight
> including a nice 30-to-50 westerly wind component! The larger cabin is
very
> helpful in the comfort factor.
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Jerry Hey <j-winddesigns@thegrid.net>
I received this e-mail today. Is there anyone in the St Louis area who
would like to respond?
Begin forwarded message:
> From: "bpfrank@juno.com" <bpfrank@juno.com>
> Date: Thu Sep 2, 2004 2:43:09 PM America/Indianapolis
> To: j-winddesigns@thegrid.net
> Subject: ride
>
>
> I am investigating the tail wind market but need to get a ride in
> one before deciding...do you have a listing of tailwind owners in Ill
> or Wisc or Michigan, or of course the st louis area???
>
> regards, brucefrank/st louis
>
> ________________________________________________________________
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Lovelace" <mlovelace@woh.rr.com>
Going to Baraboo this year I flew at 4500 ft. 8.9 gal./hr. or about 20
mpg. I crusie at 2650/2700 RPM @ 185/190 mph, I am still breaking in new
cylinders.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Fred Weaver" <Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 12:33 PM
Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: tail wheel
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver"
<Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
>
> Jim.... How is it that you think you are getting 27 to 30 miles per
gallon?
> I just figured out some of my best numbers and at 208 mph cruise speed,
> burning 7.6 gallons per hour, I'm only getting 26... And those are
real
> miles. That is a clean W10 that weighs a lot less, uses a Lycoming
0-360
> with fixed pitch flying at 16000 feet running lean as can be.... Now...
> With a favorable tailwind component, I've seen much bigger numbers but
they
> don't count for this discussion.
> Malcolm, you have a clean trike running a Lyc 0-320.... What have you
seen
> as your best "real" mpg figure?
> Dave Magaw, same parameters, same question? I would love to see Magaw's
> numbers as he has flown the airplane over several thousand miles and at
> altitudes that would provide good numbers.
> Our aspect ratio's and efficiency just have to deliver better
results....
> Jim, are you turning that engine down around 2200 rpm at altitudes
of????
> And when you are, what is the "true airspeed" that provides you with
27-30
> mpg?
> All that without wheelpants and the flatbottomed W8 Wing? I'm
stumped....
> Weav
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <Mcculleyja@aol.com>
> To: <tailwind-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 2004 9:31 PM
> Subject: Re: Tailwind-List: tail wheel
>
>
> > --> Tailwind-List message posted by: Mcculleyja@aol.com
>
> Jim said....
>
> Snip, Snip, Snip........
> >
> > Without wheel pants yet, I have seen GPS confirmed true airspeed of
205
> mph,
> > level flight, full power, and 2,500 fpm max ROC, with an average ROC
to
> 10,000
> > feet of 2,000 fpm (5 minutes from start of takeoff). My main interest,
> > however, is in long range economy cruise. It is consistently capable
of
> 27 to 30
> > mile per gallon results. With a total fuel quantity of 45 gallons,
the
> non stop
> > range is 1100 plus miles, with required reserves. Have already done
that
> but
> > would like to test the range and cockpit stamina with a West to East
> flight
> > including a nice 30-to-50 westerly wind component! The larger cabin
is
> very
> > helpful in the comfort factor.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "DaveM" <dmagaw@att.net>
Well today I went to Oakdale and back to Yolo Co.. Each way I was running
at 2600 RPM and at cruise burning 8.0 GPH (per the fuel flow gage which is
fairly accurate). My ground speed on the way down averaged about 205 MPH
which results in 25.6 MPG, and on the way back 170 MPH resulting in 21.2
MPG. I have gone up to higher altitudes on other trips and got the fuel
flow down to 7.5 GPH at an average cruise speed of 185 or 24.6 MPG.
BTW, I have now put about 80 hours on N168A this year since March, which I
figure I have traveled over 14,000 miles in it.
I really like that plane.
Dave
> --> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Fred Weaver"
<Mytyweav@earthlink.net>
>
> Jim.... How is it that you think you are getting 27 to 30 miles per
gallon?
> I just figured out some of my best numbers and at 208 mph cruise speed,
> burning 7.6 gallons per hour, I'm only getting 26... And those are real
> miles. That is a clean W10 that weighs a lot less, uses a Lycoming 0-360
> with fixed pitch flying at 16000 feet running lean as can be.... Now...
> With a favorable tailwind component, I've seen much bigger numbers but
they
> don't count for this discussion.
> Malcolm, you have a clean trike running a Lyc 0-320.... What have you
seen
> as your best "real" mpg figure?
> Dave Magaw, same parameters, same question? I would love to see Magaw's
> numbers as he has flown the airplane over several thousand miles and at
> altitudes that would provide good numbers.
> Our aspect ratio's and efficiency just have to deliver better results....
> Jim, are you turning that engine down around 2200 rpm at altitudes of????
> And when you are, what is the "true airspeed" that provides you with 27-30
> mpg?
> All that without wheelpants and the flatbottomed W8 Wing? I'm
stumped....
> Weav
>
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Flew Danny's W-8 today, she did great! Needs a little rigging work, but after all,
she's been disassembled and reassembled, and that after a long period of inactivity.
This airplane has fly-in stickers on her from when I was 12 or so,
and I'm 47. Except for a spring that broke in the pilot's seat under a couple
of g's and like to have scared the shit out of me, everything worked real good.
The O200 reportedly came out of a Cassut racer, not sure what that means, but she
ran strong, and seems to be propped good, running up to about 2750 level full
throttle 1500 msl, showing close to 160. Tailwheel is about and inch in diameter
(kidding) and demands attention.
Great to see all your hard work rewarded, Danny, in getting this classic back in
the air.
Have fun:
Rick
N241SW
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| Subject: | FW: [TailwindForum] Danny's W-8 |
Rick,
Thanks are all I can say, but I sure am obliged and hope I can return the
favor in some way. Put some hours on that dammed thing. I am putting in an
order for a 6 inch wheel as soon as I get off here, and will dig through the
aluminum pile for rudder trim tab material.
I owe you big time man.
-Danny
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| Subject: | Re: FW: [TailwindForum] Danny's W-8 |
Dan,
I was out at e-town last weekend, tried to get a look at your plane but the young
guy at the desk wouldn't let me past him. I guess that's good.
----- Original Message -----
From: Dan
To: tailwind-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, September 02, 2004 9:32 PM
Subject: Tailwind-List: FW: [TailwindForum] Danny's W-8
Rick,
Thanks are all I can say, but I sure am obliged and hope I can return the favor
in some way. Put some hours on that dammed thing. I am putting in an order
for a 6 inch wheel as soon as I get off here, and will dig through the aluminum
pile for rudder trim tab material.
I owe you big time man.
-Danny
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Mcculleyja@aol.com
In a message dated 9/2/04 12:29:18 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dannyjoe@insightbb.com writes:
> This guy has
> taken the free data CD's published by the Gov. and produces free aviation
> databases for download.
Danny,
Can you provide info on how to get this free data? I have a Magellan 315 and
love it.
Jim McCulley
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| Subject: | FW: [TailwindForum] Danny's W-8 |
Rich,
That must have been Kenneth; I guess you can't be too careful these days.
The real terrorists take their turbans off in the parking lot now though.
:-) If you hurry back down you could probably get a ride in it with Rick,
it's all right by me, it won't be nothing like a ride in Fred's, but a ride
is a ride.
-Danny
Dan,
I was out at e-town last weekend, tried to get a look at your plane but the
young guy at the desk wouldn't let me past him. I guess that's good.
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: "Dan" <dannyjoe@insightbb.com>
Jim,
You are gonna love this! Here's the link! He won't let anyone send any
money.
http://home.stny.rr.com/bkw/315/
-Danny
Can you provide info on how to get this free data? I have a Magellan 315
and
love it.
Jim McCulley
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--> Tailwind-List message posted by: Mcculleyja@aol.com
In a message dated 9/2/04 11:18:00 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dannyjoe@insightbb.com writes:
> You are gonna love this! Here's the link! He won't let anyone send any
> money.
> http://home.stny.rr.com/bkw/315/
>
> -Danny
Many thanks --I'll check it out!
Jim
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